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News & Current Events Apr 8, 2026 at 3:17 PM

European, Canadian leaders urge ‘swift and lasting end’ to Iran war: statement

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‘A good day’: PM Carney says Canada will support Hormuz opening
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‘A good day’: PM Carney says Canada will support Hormuz opening
Prime Minister Mark Carney called a ceasefire agreement between the United States and Iran a “positive development” on Wednesday, and indicated Canada is still willing to help support the reopening of the Strait of Hormuz to restore stability to global oil markets.

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fxkatt Apr 8, 2026 +48
>*The statement was published in the names of Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni, French President Emmanuel Macron, German Chancellor Friedrich Merz, British Prime Minister Keir Starmer, Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney, Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen, Dutch Prime Minister Rob Jetten, Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez, European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen and European Council president Antonio Costa.* The stronger and more powerful the anti-war position the better.
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SendCatsNoDogs Apr 9, 2026 +10
All I see is useless blustering by allied nations just hoping things will go back to normal. Russia was immediately sanctioned several days into their invasion of Ukraine meanwhile the US/Israel still suffers no consequces for their illegal invasion. The west is still pretending the bravest thing they can do is non-participation and muttering in the corner.
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momentum77 Apr 8, 2026 +194
Ya. Let's doing something about the main destabilizing force in the region. You know who.
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sal_leo Apr 9, 2026 +13
Best they can do is criminalize anyone pointing out Israel is committing genocide as hate speech and antisemiticism. 
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Epyon214 Apr 8, 2026 +12
For 128 ounces of gold, to purchase a property, retain a lawyer, and set the precedent for what a Champion is to be raised with, you can contribute to making me the one who will remove the currently illegitimate regime from power and restore our Republic
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meechmeechmeecho Apr 8, 2026 +5
Yeah, the British and French should pay reparations for their colonial era divide and conquer tactics all throughout the globe.
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RainbowTactician Apr 9, 2026 +1
Depending on who reads this they might interpret this differently.
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the_jokes_on_u Apr 8, 2026 -115
Iran? With their multiple terrorist proxy groups? Who have caused multiple civil wars in uuuuuhhh Lebanon, Yemen (4 times now) and Syria. The ones who, instead of attacking Israel and the US, attacked the GCC? We get it ya’ll don’t like Israel. But blaming all of the instability in the Middle East on them is just ignorant. Look at every war started in the Middle East and there’s usually one major player, Iran. Not saying Israel aren’t a bunch of maniacs as well, but people blame Israel like they’re the only problem out there.
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momentum77 Apr 8, 2026 +70
Gee. I wonder why all those groups exist.
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the_jokes_on_u Apr 8, 2026 -82
Ah yes, let’s destabilize the entire region because of Israeli aggression.
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Mighty__Monarch Apr 8, 2026 +48
How dumb do you have to be to say this and not understand the problem.
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Tasty_Puffin Apr 8, 2026 +21
Either way not US problem to interfere and put the death of kids on our hands.
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LintQueen11 Apr 8, 2026 +25
So the alternative is to just let Israel run around and kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people?
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guppypower Apr 8, 2026 +25
Israel is single-handedly collapsing the truce after going on a murder spree in Lebanon.
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kapsama Apr 8, 2026 +17
Tired old hasbara talking points. No one cares.
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momentum77 Apr 8, 2026 +9
It's been so debunked, hilarious when they double down.
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OneMagicMango Apr 8, 2026 +4
On one hand can you blame them? These people are furious over the deaths of their loved ones and they join these groups to enact revenge. I can understand why they’re doing that but it’s not good either. You can’t bomb an ideology. In fact trying to do that just makes everything worse for everyone. I only feel bad for the poor innocent civilians caught in the crossfire of this clusterfuck. Also why does the us have to be involved? If Israel wants to go to war they can but leave the US out of it.
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Master-Rent5050 Apr 8, 2026 -40
Saudi Arabia?
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shaka893P Apr 8, 2026 +31
Saudi Arabia, Russia and Israel.... They pretty much own the US government right now 
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TriXter69 Apr 8, 2026 +66
Everyone wants a permanent stop to aggression in the region, there's a certain country there that ensures that will never happen
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aNuggetsUncle Apr 8, 2026 -105
Ya, Iran Now we wait and see if they change their behavior after all this has ended
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Olin_123 Apr 8, 2026 +59
Iran was relatively chill until European and American powers installed a puppet regime. I think there's a certain modern day western proxy in the region that's doing far more destabilization then Iran.
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aNuggetsUncle Apr 8, 2026 -42
The Shah was terrible nobody is doubting that. But that in no way shape or form gives the IRGC a pass. They are the problem.
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Olin_123 Apr 8, 2026 +33
How do you think Iran is a bigger problem then Israel when Israel has been non stop bombing their neighbors and illegally sizing land?
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aNuggetsUncle Apr 8, 2026 -32
Give me one example where Israel began an offensive war, just one.
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Quantum_Aurora Apr 8, 2026 +31
Their current war with Iran.
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aNuggetsUncle Apr 8, 2026 -6
The cause of which began on October 7th. A war that Iran started through Hamas. Remember Iran always uses proxies to fight their wars.
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shozy Apr 8, 2026 +11
Nope.  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Timeline_of_Israel-Palestine_fatalities_2008-2023.png
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aNuggetsUncle Apr 8, 2026 -6
Ya, Hamas is funded, armed, and trained by Iran (aka, Iranian Proxy). Hamas puts their own people in harms way, which is why the Gazans suffer so many unnecessary casualties. I'm not saying Israel is blameless, but they aren't breaking into houses and executing entire families on the spot, unlike Hamas. And if anyone here actually cared about the safety of the Gazans then they would be condemning Hamas, but they blame Israel instead.
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Olin_123 Apr 9, 2026 +4
Their occupation of Syria seems pretty cut and dry if you just want one example.
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LintQueen11 Apr 8, 2026 +39
It’s Israel. It’s alwyas Israel
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aNuggetsUncle Apr 8, 2026 -26
We get it you don't like Israel, but its clearly Iran. There is a reason the entire Middle East hates them. And, btw, if it is Israel why have they never started a war in the region? Someone is always attacking them first.
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lazertittiesrrad Apr 8, 2026 +22
They literally just started one. This one.
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aNuggetsUncle Apr 8, 2026 -3
No, it began on October 7th. The US and Israel attacked first in this recent operation but the IRGC put all of these events in motion. The Iran-Iraq war was the same thing. Iraq made the first offensive move but Iran was the cause.
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lazertittiesrrad Apr 8, 2026 +12
I take your point, but it's also a bit disingenuous. There are decades, if not centuries, of "but they did that first!". At some point whether it's these guys' fault, those guys' fault, or nobody's fault? It needs to stop. Whether through diplomacy or annihilation. And not annihilation via individual State conquest. Annihilation as in, all of you evil genocidal cunts get back in the f****** rat holes you keep crawling out of and stay there, all of you. ALL OF YOU. Or the rest of us will finish this for you, once and for all, and there will be no winners. There are no innocent States involved here. Except the Gazans.
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aNuggetsUncle Apr 8, 2026
This is fair, I think thats why this conflict seems almost impossible to solve. The sad part is there are Gazans and Israeli's who are willing to live in peace, its a ll about rooting out the bad actors. And I don't think anyone know how to do that.
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lazertittiesrrad Apr 8, 2026 +4
Sure we do. We just lack the integrity and the balls to do it. So we continue to enable, until we come to the orange bottom of that slippery slope, and become the bad actors ourselves. Equally complicit. Equally evil.
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LintQueen11 Apr 8, 2026 +8
It did not begin October 7, now you’re being disingenuous.
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aNuggetsUncle Apr 8, 2026
The most recent war (October 7th and ensuing fight in the Gaza Strip, Operation Rising Lion, Operation Midnight Hammer, Operation Roaring Lion, and Operation Epic Fury) started on October 7th, but the overall conflict between Israel and Iran has been going on much longer.
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LintQueen11 Apr 8, 2026 +6
Well I mean why do you pick October 7? Because that’s the day they fought back? What about the 300 Palestinian children that died at the hands of Israel January to September 2023?
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aNuggetsUncle Apr 8, 2026
"Fought Back" - Wtf is wrong with you, all Hamas has to do is stop shooting at Israeli's and the whole thing ends. Those terrorists attacked civilians, there is no justification for what they did. Israel wasn't in the Gaza Strip before that day. The whole thing was about killing Jewish people, they say it themselves.
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momentum77 Apr 8, 2026 +7
Wow. And why did October 7th happen? Root Cause Analysis would give you a wealth of answers without needing to justify, agree with, or condone the act. Things don't happen in a vacuum.
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OnionDart Apr 8, 2026 +17
Are you kidding me? Holy cow that’s some gaslighting
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aNuggetsUncle Apr 9, 2026
Ain't gaslighting if it's the truth
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Character_Minimum989 Apr 8, 2026 +6
Israel has started most wars in the region.
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Edgyspymainintf2 Apr 9, 2026 +3
I don't want to go to bat for Iran because Iran f****** blows but it has kept relatively to itself for a relatively long period of time. Israel on the other hand seems to care more about getting into as many wars as possible than anything else because they know the US will always supply them and bail them out if there's ever a serious risk of them losing. Israel acts like the US's spoiled child who knows their parent loves them too much to ever say no to them so they just keep asking for more and more.
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PossibilityFew5967 Apr 8, 2026 +33
So do something about isreal then
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UndertakerFred Apr 8, 2026 +27
It’ll be a series of “two week” negotiations until we elect competent leaders.
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FillFrontFloor Apr 8, 2026 +6
We've had competent leaders all over the world. The problem is when you have a lazy misguided population that elects a bad leader that screws it up. You can pick 100 great leaders but if that 101 is bad it will undue the entire 100 good ones.
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James-W-Tate Apr 8, 2026 +13
>You can pick 100 great leaders but if that 101 is bad it will undue the entire 100 good ones. Well, theoretically the 101st would be promptly removed by the other powers of state, except in the USA's case those other powers have chosen to be complicit and derelict of their duty.
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FillFrontFloor Apr 8, 2026 +5
We would have to vote in someone devoted to punish and scar corruption as 102 so next time 101 and friends show up they'll rather not. The only ever good thing from all of this is that these corrupted assholes are showing us each and every avenue they use for their deeds.
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OwlEyes00 Apr 8, 2026 +1
Do you seriously expect the rest of the democratic world to try to remove Trump? Can't you see the certainty of that making everything worse?
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James-W-Tate Apr 8, 2026 +4
I'm not suggesting that. I'm referring to the other branches of our government: Congress and the Judiciary.
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OwlEyes00 Apr 8, 2026 +2
Ah, I see. I think the person you originally responded to was talking about world leaders (i.e. foreign heads of state/government) rather than US political leaders
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Single_Comment6389 Apr 8, 2026 +24
Not going to happen with Israel around.
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Bishopjones2112 Apr 8, 2026 +18
Well looks like Israel is f****** that idea. Oh yeah a ceasefire, cool I’ll be right next to you dropping bombs, and annexing land like it’s Gaza.
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Lower_Excuse_8693 Apr 8, 2026 +5
See there’s your problem; you got the grammar wrong. Israel didn’t ceasefire. They said cease? FIRE!!!!
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Old_Belt7127 Apr 8, 2026 +69
Europe and Canada are the reigning champions of strongly worded statements
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ciwawa87 Apr 8, 2026 +39
What exactly do you want them to do? Kidnap the president of another nation? Bomb the shit out of civilian? Shoot their own citizen in the back of the head? I'm open to suggestions
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nebulaforest Apr 8, 2026 +26
Sanction the hell out of them, freeze their assets until they behave. Europe is very resourceful against adversaries, I'm sure they can be against Israel.
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The_Dragon_Redone Apr 8, 2026 +7
Given they couldn't even present a strong front against Russia, I doubt it.
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eagleeye1031 Apr 9, 2026 -2
How did this stupid comment get upvoted ? Lol. How the actual f*** do you think Europe sanctioning US will do anything ?
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hotsexychungus Apr 8, 2026 +13
> What exactly do you want them to do? As an American, I would like them to actually try and offer a meaningful foreign policy vision that isn't just subservience to whatever US claims that its interests are. Canada obviously with its proximity to the US makes it trickier, but there's no reason for Europe to be this subservient to US foreign policy interests in 2026. It's not WW2 or the cold war anymore. I think it's just done out of inertia, but our current foreign policy is not in Europe's interests or even our interests!
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ciwawa87 Apr 8, 2026 -7
You are an American and want the European to do something about the mess You have made? You guys are very lazy.
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hotsexychungus Apr 8, 2026 +10
> want the European to do something about the mess You have made No, that's not what I said at all. Please use reading comprehension to understand points. For example, Europe was praising the United States when it kidnapped Maduro. It was embarrassing and subservience to something that was an obvious war crime. And during the Greenland spat, Macron said "My friend, We are totally in line on Syria. We can do great things on Iran". For what purpose is Macron totally subservient to US interests in Iran and Syria? There's no reason for Europe to be this subservient to "American" interests in these relations. Edit: The only country that has shown real backbone recently to American war crimes is Spain. Other European nations should follow their lead. If Spain can show backbone, there's no reason France can't.
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ciwawa87 Apr 8, 2026 -6
Bit disingenuous of you to only quote half of Macron message. Also Europe praised kidnapping of Maduro? Are you high? Is it too hard for your American brain to comprehend that maybe Macron interest in Syria where aligned? European countries haven't praised anything you fascist have done in ages.
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hotsexychungus Apr 8, 2026 +14
> Also Europe praised kidnapping of Maduro? Are you high? https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/venezuela-strikes/card/france-s-macron-cheers-maduro-s-ouster-but-calls-for-swift-transition-8HAzIzYDtQoF7V4yyBq8 The two largest economies in the EU both lauded Maduros ouster.
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Toums95 Apr 8, 2026 +7
What did they do when Russia invaded Ukraine?
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ciwawa87 Apr 8, 2026 +9
Trained the Ukrainian army. Granted shitloans of money to arm them. Donated all kind of hardware from jet planes to tanks to small arms. What did you cowards do beside rolling the red carpet for putin?
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Toums95 Apr 8, 2026 -5
I think you misunderstood what I meant. What I meant is, we sanctioned Russia, at the cost of hurting our own economy. So, we could do the same thing here again. Problem is, we like international law and human rights only when it is not an ally destroying them. Hence we are freaking hypocrites and we have no moral high ground no matter how much we believe we do.
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sulris Apr 8, 2026 +9
Moral high ground isn’t absolute. It’s relative. Canada doesn’t have to be perfect to better than Russia. The U.S. has fallen a long, long, loooooong way down. But it still hasn’t fallen as far down as Russia is currently when it comes to moral high ground. That is an extremely low bar. It will eventually catch up, the way things are going…
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Toums95 Apr 8, 2026 -7
Actually the US is worse than Russia. Anyway, I think we are having a misunderstanding here. Do you agree that Canada and the EU have glaring double standards when it comes to Russian actions compared to American or Israeli ones?
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sulris Apr 8, 2026 +6
The U.S. is worse than Russia? If Trump poisoned and then imprisoned Harris to prevent her from running against him and then poisoned her again in prison. That would make the U.S. the same as Russia. Your whataboutism does not excuse Russian behavior. And your attempts at equivocation don’t mean that people pointing that out are attempting to lessen the impact of U.S. or Canadian problematic behavior.
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ciwawa87 Apr 8, 2026 -7
That is where you are wrong. You are literally quoting Kremlin and ex soviet propaganda. Look it up.
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Toums95 Apr 8, 2026 +6
The propaganda is that we sanctioned Russia even to the detriment of our own economy or what? Sorry I am a bit lost
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ciwawa87 Apr 8, 2026 -7
That all actions share a moral equivalency and therefore any form of criticism is hypocritical and therefore everyone should do as they please. If you think Russia sanctions have hurt us, you have no idea what it has done to them.
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Old_Belt7127 Apr 8, 2026 +10
Calling out double standards and hypocrisy is Soviet propaganda now?
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Toums95 Apr 8, 2026 +6
I don't think you understand what I am saying then, it's like we are having two separate discussions
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ClasisFTW Apr 8, 2026 +2
I get that it’s a sensitive topic for you, but I think by being overtly emotional vested in your replies you’re actually completely missing the actual conversation.
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meechmeechmeecho Apr 8, 2026 -6
Revisionist history that ignores that involvement under the Biden administration. Additionally, it’s a primarily European conflict. The primary supporters should be other European countries. Why is it the United States responsibility to stand up to Russia, while European nations still buy Russian oil via back channels. Another case of European strong words and weak actions.
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raving_roadkill Apr 9, 2026 +2
Good job you've pulled out and are now contributing sweet f*** all then isn't it, gotta save all your ammo for schoolgirls it seems
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Character_Minimum989 Apr 8, 2026
You people say this while they had no problem sanctioning the f*** out of Iran and Russia.
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Armadilla-Brufolosa Apr 8, 2026 +6
Yes, and also about never actually doing anything concrete. And I say this as a European who is now truly fed up with the shameful subjugation we’re subjected to.
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willstr1 Apr 8, 2026 +5
IDK Chuck Schumer is certainly giving them a run for their money
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WhileCultchie Apr 8, 2026
Remember a while back when the EU condemned the Alawites resisting the pogroms against them?
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KebabAnnhilator Apr 8, 2026 -5
The pen is mightier than the sword.
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bedrooms-ds Apr 8, 2026 +5
Yeah but the pen doesn't do much if the guy can't read.
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Guarder22 Apr 8, 2026 +7
Yes but eventually its time to pick up the sword.
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4uk4ata Apr 8, 2026 +3
Eventually, yes. But as most European countries learned from Iraq, doing it without a plan can end up in a big mess for everyone.
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KebabAnnhilator Apr 8, 2026
Not our fight.
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syynapt1k Apr 8, 2026 +2
No fight ever is because you just call the US. WWI, WWII, the Balkans, Ukraine, etc.
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KebabAnnhilator Apr 8, 2026 -1
Sure thing bud. Who fought in Afghanistan? Iraq? Vietnam?
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meechmeechmeecho Apr 8, 2026
Those conflicts are rooted in European involvement in those regions. It’s like Europe decided to collectively say “We’re so weak and measly now. We couldn’t possibly do anything about the problems arising from our centuries of colonial rule!”
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RG54415 Apr 8, 2026 +3
Se we can swiftly get back to whatever is causing the housing crisis, groceries getting more expensive and tanking economy while profits reach record highs.
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ChaLenCe Apr 9, 2026 +3
If the EU and Canada support ending arms and aid to Israel in exchange for Iran permanently ceasing the enrichment of Uranium, that'd be something I think we can all get behind.
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airship_of_arbitrary Apr 8, 2026 +6
Canada is just going to join the European Union at this rate.
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Dahlia_Hawthorne_ Apr 8, 2026 +1
They need to in order to literally avoid getting invaded People think Trump is not stupid enough to invade 2 countries at the same time I'm really doubting that
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Character_Minimum989 Apr 8, 2026 +7
Ya i wanna see Americans react to oil prices when Canadians sabotage the pipelines that actually provides most of their oil
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airship_of_arbitrary Apr 8, 2026 +5
If Iran, a country on the other side of the world can make Trump negotiate because they raise gas prices, wait until you see what the next door neighbour with modern weapons and missiles a few kilometres from Washington DC can do to the US on their way out. And what Canadian guerrilla fighters can do to the US for the rest of its remaining existence.
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Dahlia_Hawthorne_ Apr 8, 2026 +1
I don't doubt that it would be this assholes biggest mistake to start a war with Canada But being honest Everything he has done so far is either a horrible mistake or incredibly stupid so you never know what could happen
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Initial-Bass-5866 Apr 10, 2026 +1
Let’s sanction the USA. We should have sanctions on all the republican higher up’s. There should be arrest warrants for all of them so that if they step foot on true nato soil they would be arrested and prosecuted.
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CyberSmith31337 Apr 8, 2026 +1
People need to understand who they’re dealing with. Let me give you an example of the response you can expect from the White House: *”Or what? What are you gonna do about it?”* So until some nations/any nation has a meaningfully, impactful answer, you can expect any disagreement to be greeted with f***-all and gaslighting. Words are c****. **Do** something or shut up.
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CirnoWhiterock Apr 9, 2026 +2
Agreed. Russia has a weaker economy then Italy alone and yet the EU cant even get them out of Ukraine and has been basically begging Trump to keep sending weapons. Until Europe is willing to invest in the force needed to clean up thier own backyard no one is gonna give a shit what they have to say
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Exact_Patience_9767 Apr 8, 2026 +1
This will depend on the outcome of the US and it's mid-term; it will play a big role in the end, pause, or resume of this unnecessary created conflict.
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Th1rte3n1334 Apr 8, 2026
The only way a “lasting end” will happen is if Trump can twist it into a perceived win which cannot be done in this situation.
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SloppyPlatypus69 Apr 8, 2026 +1
Exactly he doesn't need a real win he needs good looking optics and its going to be hard to pull off. Image is more important than the reality for a Trump. 
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Th1rte3n1334 Apr 8, 2026
Right, that’s why I said a “perceived win.” At this point I’m not 100% certain that he even cares about a perceived win so long as HE benefits from this not-a-war financially.
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SloppyPlatypus69 Apr 8, 2026 +1
Yeah, I'm agreeing with you. 
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Th1rte3n1334 Apr 8, 2026 +1
I know, I just wanted to add that bit about not being sure that a perceived win is actually his goal in the end.
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xlsma Apr 8, 2026 +1
His followers are already viewing the whole thing as a win: bombed the shit out of a terrorist state, killed their leader and they are crawling back for negotiations which would end in US favor(in their opinion), oh and don't forget the heroic mission to rescue the two pilots.
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Mobile-Bar7732 Apr 8, 2026 +1
They just got the newer younger more radical son of their leader so no regime change. A lot of American dollars and lives lost so that Trump can appease his followers.
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overon Apr 8, 2026 -2
Not like they are any factor whatsoever Wars start and stop without their consent
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Drak_is_Right Apr 8, 2026 -3
European and Canadian leaders are being short-sighted here due to dislike for Israel/Trump here and economic pressures. Cannot have a "quick" but bad end that threatens the security of Europe and the Middle East. Nuclear ambitions of Iran must be given up in any such deal. This is by far the most important one. If left unchecked, within a few years Iran will "probably" have nuclear armed missiles capable of hitting almost all of Europe. If Israel and Iran gets into a nuclear war, whats to say a couple of nuclear missiles won't be fired at European capitals in retribution for their past support of Israel? If a country is going down, might as well get all the grudges. Iran getting a nuclear weapon likely causes a cascade of a dozen more countries also acquiring them. Including 2 or more countries within the MIddle east other than Iran. This dramatically increases the threat to world security. In addition, hostilities will just begin again in a few years if agreements are not in place over the various Shiite militias/terrorist groups that Iran funds and loosely controls.
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Sendnudec00kies Apr 9, 2026 +3
How's the weather at Eglin AFB this time of year?
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Drak_is_Right Apr 9, 2026
gulf coast other than the pollen is nice this time of year. Why?
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FillFrontFloor Apr 8, 2026 -9
They are going to have to pick a side if they want it to end, can't stay neutral.  Though I do not like the fact we are in this war and we have committed cruelty (those poor kids and families at the school) I don't even know why we are fight? Seems like we are assholes. But Iran is also a PoS, like a huge big ass PoS, so it's not like it's a white and black choice.
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ReaditTrashPanda Apr 8, 2026 +3
Used to be. Leave each other alone. Local fights sure, but entire countries fighting each other are different. Now there is literally no solution. US created even more lasting terrorists who will live their entire lives with a vendetta for the US.
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Armadilla-Brufolosa Apr 8, 2026 +1
Not only that: they have massacred the Iranian people who were fighting to overthrow the fundamentalist Islamic regime, turning it into the only hope against the utter madness of America and Israel, who are so devious that they would even break the agreements they have just signed. In fact, these idiots have just handed over not only Iran, but much of the Middle East, into the hands of the worst possible terrorist regime (worse even than the Taliban). These are the great exporters of democracy!!
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ReaditTrashPanda Apr 8, 2026 -4
A tad hyperbolic I think.
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Armadilla-Brufolosa Apr 8, 2026 +3
What? That by doing so, they’ve actually played into the hands of those crazy fanatics in the Iranian regime? It seems pretty obvious to me: if, while you’re trying to overthrow the regime in your own country, they start threatening you with extermination—and it’s clear that whoever’s making these threats is completely out of their mind and incapable of either honoring agreements or keeping their allies, who are even crazier than they are, in check... You can protest, risk your life to try to improve your country... but there’s nothing you can do if foreign countries bomb your son at school... What would you think? Which would be the lesser evil for you? The point is that we all hoped for the fall of the horrific Iranian regime... but, in doing so, America and Israel have only succeeded in fostering greater hatred toward the West and more proselytizing toward Islamic fanaticism. Not to mention that they are devastating the global economy and have become, in the eyes of the entire world: \-America: no longer saviors but constant invaders who always claim to export a fake democracy through megalomaniacal threats, bombs, and utter arrogance. \-Israel: no longer poor victims but bloodthirsty and insatiable executioners. It doesn’t seem like much of a success to me...what about you?
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ReaditTrashPanda Apr 8, 2026 -1
Hyperbolic doesn’t mean false, just means embellished. Nothing you said was wrong
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Armadilla-Brufolosa Apr 8, 2026 +2
Sorry... in my previous message, it translated as “imaginative” instead of “hyperbolic” (I hope it captures the difference correctly in English now)... so I tried to explain my point more clearly 😅​
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Note-4-Note Apr 8, 2026
Oh good, ya that will help.
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ProofByVerbosity Apr 8, 2026 -11
There hasnt been a "lasting" end to conflict in that region since history has been recorded.
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Mighty__Monarch Apr 8, 2026 +4
There was a 1948 resolution and its incredibly clear which party first and continually since it was written has not obeyed even a single aspect of it.
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momentum77 Apr 8, 2026 +6
False propaganda. They want you to think that to normalize the constant conflict. Centuries of peaceful co existence in the region until past WWII. Can't quite put my finger on what changed.... hmmmm
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ProofByVerbosity Apr 8, 2026 +2
False propaganda? From what political or ideological position? What am I attempting to sell? History? Centuries of peaceful coexistence?  When? Not in the bronze age or the iron age. Not durring the establishment of Islam. Wasnt peaceful in the ottoman era, nor transition to that era.  Wasn't peaceful prior to WWI or WWII. Wasn't peaceful at its genesis with Sumarian city states. So tell me exactly when these centuries were and ill provide historical evidence stating otherwise.
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Th1rte3n1334 Apr 8, 2026 +3
Let me just throw this up there… The Persian Campaign of WWI(1914-1918.) So much for peace up until WWII , eh?
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Guarder22 Apr 8, 2026 +4
Yep completely peaceful. Absolutely no fighting from 3000BC until post ww2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_the_Near_East
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hotsexychungus Apr 8, 2026 +3
This is silly. Most of the conflicts stem from western colonization of the region after the fall of the Ottoman Empire in the early 1900s. Before that it wasn't in a state of constant conflict. Obviously, when an empire falls and gets divvied up by self-interested states, axes of conflict will arise among colonizers and the colonized and amongst each other.
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ProofByVerbosity Apr 8, 2026 +1
Holy shit did you ever not get my point. Conflict in that area has existed since Sumarian city states have. There was conflict long before colonization.  There has been conflict there in every era. Pick up a history book
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