While a welcome surprise indeed, guess we have to wait until the dust settles and see if things *really* change. The EU probably should bring up the Ukraine money again and see if without Orban, things finally go through...or not.
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Gigi_Langostino6 days ago
+50
Even with Hungary on board, they've still got to deal with Fico.
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Hot-Delay56086 days ago
+86
Fico won't block it on his own too much of a coward. He can't risk Slovakia loosing EU funds, his power is not as big and entrenched as Orban's was and his coalition partners won't allow that. He's barking at the EU and Ukraine like a chihuahua to please his tankie supporters.
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Gigi_Langostino6 days ago
+16
Yeah that's my feeling too. I guess we're about to find out how hard Russia can lean on him though.
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BestFriendWatermelon6 days ago
+14
Fortunately these people tend to be corrupt as hell. This is why Orban lost, European democracies had enough and started leaking all the sneaky shenanigans Orban's government had been up to. Fico knows he'll be next.
The EU is already grumbling that FICO's government misspent EU funds meant for rural development on fancy villas for Fico and his friends. It gives the EU the leverage to threaten to withdraw funds when they're being misspent.
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MercantileReptile6 days ago
+12
> The EU is already grumbling that FICO's government misspent EU funds meant for rural development on fancy villas for Fico and his friends. It gives the EU the leverage to threaten to withdraw funds when they're being misspent.
Here's hoping the EU learned a lesson from Orban and does so *immediately* rather than half hearted threats for years, going nowhere.
Same for the unanimity requirement in general. The €90b loan to Ukraine being delayed, stopped and sabotaged at every turn was an embarrassment. Continues to be, even.
My concern is Brussels leaning back, smug about Orban being gone. And repeating the exact same, laggard fuckwittery that got them intro trouble in the first place.
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robsterva6 days ago
+7
> My concern is Brussels leaning back, smug about Orban being gone. And repeating the exact same, laggard fuckwittery that got them into trouble in the first place.
That is exactly what will happen. The EU and EP are so deep into the One Europe ideal that they cannot adapt when any member prefers their self-interest. That blind spot will keep coming up, especially if they keep adding countries that don't believe in liberal democracy.
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dreamed2lif6 days ago
+6
He follows polls more than principle,unlike Orban
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haulric5 days ago
+1
Also any sanction on a member state requires an unanimity vote without the concerned country, Orban knew he had fico back, just as Hungary and Poland were covering each other before Poland switched politics.
So fico is not as entranched as Orban AND he knows that if the EU decides to use the eu fund lever against him there will probably be no one to save his ass.
Hopefully there will not be another pro-russian elected in Europe for some time to at least allow the EU to move forward on most resolution blocked by the Slovakia/Hungary duo.
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DecoupledPilot6 days ago
+6
They got a glorious two thirds majority.
Thanks to that a lot of stuff can happen
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DummyDumDragon6 days ago
Why are things like this not done on a majority basis? Like even a very high majority like 80-90% or something? I'm sure there's something I'm not getting or understanding, because surely allowing one or two countries' leaders to hold back such serious things seems like a hell of a mistake?
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Reddvox6 days ago
+8
Changing constitutions should never be easy. A 51:49 simple majority would still throw almost half of the electorate not wanting that change under the bus.
Thats why actual democracy often looks ineffective...because even with a mandate by 51% a ruling gov should never just force existential changes onto the entire population Democracies are build on working tgether, opposition but a constructive one, and governments not abusing their powers without taking into consideration the electorate not have voted for them
Thats why the USA is a failed democracy nowadays...
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eedden6 days ago
+2
Bottom line is that introducing majority rule would mean a loss of sovereignty for any country smaller (by whatever metric is chosen) than what is required for a veto. This is an extremely hard sell for any country and would guarantee that none ever join the union.
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Anthraxious5 days ago
+1
Agree, but Mgyar has already openly stated he'd vote in favour of Ukraine in regards to these budgets. So there's hope.
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IndependentReal57886 days ago
+17
16 years long overdue ! People didn’t want no internet like Russia ?
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ails_bales6 days ago
+19
Wonderful news 💛🥳
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BlueDolphins286 days ago
+49
It’s a breath of fresh air seeing conservatives getting kicked out of every country. Now only US needs to vote Democrats in midterms and 2028 and we are done
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WooBarb6 days ago
+52
Hungary is an incredibly rural and conservative country. This is absolutely not a "left wing" win, but a right wing, pro EU and anti-Russia win. Which is still good news, but it doesn't suddenly mean that pride flags are going to be hanging from the windows of muddy cottages in Tiszabo. The country will be right wing for a long time, it's a very poor country and they do suffer. But they'll suffer less now, hopefully, with a more progressive leadership.
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raikou19886 days ago
+4
Are they poor tho?
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WooBarb6 days ago
+13
Yes, some towns in Hungary, especially on the east have an average salary of around 4000 EUR per year.
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Uberman196 days ago
+45
Hate to break it to you but Magyar is as conservative as orban, he’s just pro-EU. he was a member of orban’s party until 2024.
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fadvex6 days ago
+83
Hate to break it you but he's not a Russian/US stooge
And that's the most important thing
Edit: Now the russian bots are trying to tell you he's pro pedo trump even though they sent vance to campaign against him.
As if we'd all somehow magically forget that lmao
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nuunuunnuunuun6 days ago
+2
Republicans campaign against other republicans in the US during primaries, only to then bend over and take it up the ass from the same people they were previously denouncing on national TV once it’s time to fill all the roles… Vance himself was anti-Trump until he was being considered for the job.
These people have no spines and will flip their beliefs to align with what will benefit them the most personally.
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CucumberWisdom6 days ago
+3
Eh we still can't be sure. It's easy to be a firebrand when you have no real power but now that he has it we will see if he sticks to his supposed principles.
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blitznoodles6 days ago
-27
He's pro America and very much praised trump lol, he's a conservative.
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MuTron16 days ago
+31
He’s centre right instead of hard right, and doesn’t appear to be an authoritarian.
I might disagree with centre right politicians, but I can at least see their positions as reasonable
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Gigi_Langostino6 days ago
+24
Also worth noting that "centre right" in most of Europe looks "somewhere around the Clintons" on the American political spectrum.
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Thrusthamster6 days ago
+2
While I agree he doesn't seem as openly authoritarian and anti-west as Orban, Orban himself started as a more center-right politician.
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Pocok56 days ago
+2
Vége van, elvtársak.
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Anaud-E-Moose6 days ago
+2
Add turkey to the list before declaring it done.
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aintmesum1else6 days ago
+6
Doesn't seem that stunning. Seems appropriate.
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Objective_Star_1916 days ago
+4
It’s about time we have a Magyar leading Hungary 👍
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69kKarmadownthedrain6 days ago
+5
finall! FINALLY! I can cook myself a halaszle without disgust!
seriously, Orbans presidency and what it did to EU filled me with an irrational disgust of everything Hungarian. Halaszle is back on the menu and egri bikaver back on the rack
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Cynical_Classicist6 days ago
+6
It is an incredible turn-around.
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auunie6 days ago
+3
I am so happy they made it.
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MysteriousDatabase686 days ago
-4
Interesting. "Magyar" was the family name of Hungarian royalty in the middle ages.
Wonder if he's a relation or if it's just a common name in Hungary.
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RottenPantsu6 days ago
+9
Sorry but no, it wasn't.
"Magyar" literally just means "Hungarian." It's common in Eastern Central Europe to have surnames based on nationality/ethnicity. (e.g., in Hungary: Tóth, Rácz, Németh, Orosz, Cseh, Oláh, Polyák, Lengyel, Székely, Horváth, Török, Magyar)
Magyar is relatively common but not extremely so; apparently it was the 34th most common in 2023.
The only OG Hungarian royal family was the Árpád dynastyth.
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