Europeans must recognize US, China and Russia are ‘dead against’ us, says Macron

Building.. On hold.. Canceled.. On hold.. Building...

SPaCEee time

> "Unit Ready. Possibly the greatest unit of all time. People say that all the time." If they make a RedAlert game covering the time between 2010-2030 and don't make the US voice actor do a Trump impression I'll be disappointed!

Reminds me of Rise of the Reds mod for Generals

ECA comeback.

Third Red Alert game already had US president who was actually a puppet of their enemy.

"Go, commander, and... grab them by the p****!"

Battlefield 6 has NATO and America at war with each other

Command and Conquer: Orange Alert

With historical quotes! "I could shoot somebody..." etc

God I hope not.

Working institutions

Proper healthcare maybe, idk

Ukraine drones!

Against US best weapon is some sort of a bioweapon (virus for example). Half of the population wouldn't be willing to vaccinate and those who would, wouldn't be able to afford it anyway.

[Maybe this.](https://d2wrwj382xgrci.cloudfront.net/Pictures/480xany/1/6/6/16166_tetheredcap_148785.png)

strongly worded letters

Come along, dear friend! just sign [here, here, and initials here](https://youtu.be/vvANy49Kqhw?si=e_e18LwTuD0L2LgA).

And new zealand and paupua new guinea too and all the island nations down our way

Also needs japan, south korea, singapore and Taiwan. And NZ ofc. Plus India, the only way to contend with the manpower of china and america. Any country that aspires to be a western democracy essentially.

If you think we'll take Australia I have a submarine to sell you... Oh wait...

Australia is a bit like India in that it's very interested in playing all sides. Just look at their recent critical mineral agreement with China, signed a couple of weeks after their FTA with the EU.

Maybe we would be friendlier if you bought the submarines

Anzac is automatically included because the UK wouldn't join without you all being at least offered inclusion.  The UK is scary not because of the UK but because of who we bring to the party. 

We already brought you into the Eurovision Song Contest and you're handling that rite of passage well, so why not!

Agreed. It's asinine that bribery, oh I mean lobbying, is acceptable in the first place. Who are the politicians representing? Their constituents or their donors? Unfortunately changing this would involve the support of the politicians who are benefitting from it, it would be a hard sell.  But you can bet that the mega corporations who lobby and create that conflict of interest in politics will turn around and make their employees sign conflict of interest forms as a condition to work for them.

Honestly, I don't think that's possible without a whole new constitution.

Capitalism itself has taken over American politics. I don't see it as possible to separate the two without fundamental constitutional reform that exclueldes congress from having a say.

Dude, that question was already asked once during Covid. They reelected the guy. People need to realise Trump isn't the cause, he is a sympton

The withdrawl of soft power was intended to create chaos which works in favor of US plans of destabilization. The money saved is now spent on hard power. Any country getting aid from another country knows there'll be strings attatched after dealing with the US. The loans Ukraine got in the last war came with the stipulation that Ukraine land be sold to foreign investors.

Thank you, single member plurality voting system!

China's policy is to ensure Russia does not fail in Ukraine (as they are concerned Europe might otherwise assist the US in focusing on Asia). That's more than an "economic" threat.

Considering that Europe (especially France) has been expanding economic and defence agreements towards Australia, China very much remains a military threat to Europeans. Australia would very much like its allies to show up if it’s also committing to show up if Russia attacks European allies.

China literally hacks into European governments

It is not just an economic threat though. We are also in a situation where we have opposed society models competing against one another. Quasi autocracies, unfettered capitalism, mass surveillance and illiberal societies. Europe has its own distinct model and unless we stand strong we are going to be culturally and politically influenced by other models.

Have you heard of Ukraine? China is supporting Russia

Dear lord this is a daft comment... why do you think Russia is materially able to wage war on Ukraine this long?

Even if China didn’t invade militarily, they support those who might. If Russia actually decided to invade parts of Europe, China gonna be right there in the background making sure they are well supplied. And that is before you get into everything else.

Mind boggling simplified stupid metric.

This is true, it’s just for shooting up school kids apparently

*...the real reason it was written was so you could form a militia to fight a tyrannical government. In case the government became a bunch of cunts, you could all get your guns and fight back, and that's why it was written. Yeah!* *And that made a hell of a lot of sense when it was just muskets. But you do know the government has drones, right? You get that? You’re bringing guns to a drone fight!* - Jim Jefferies He's absolutely correct. All the right to bear arms does these days is give Republicans some rah-rah we're so free talking points and push automatic weapons into the hands of a populace eager to use them on each other. Including little children. It is utterly pointless against a government spying on its own citizens and who can end any potential gathering of would-be revolutionaries with a single, inexpensive drone strike.

Do go on

it's more eu and us companies profited a lot from delocalization to china without thinking about the consequences but only THEIR short / mid term profits.

I think you could describe China as near-expansionist - perhaps not in the literal conquering sense (though Taiwan and the South China Sea are of interest there ...) but they are keen to be the central power and regional hegemon (which I think you're already saying). I think there's probably a significant part of Russia, near them, that they would like to have a lot more influence over.

> I don't think China has expansionist views You cannot be serious. China is literally, actively, drilling how to invade Taiwan, and is very public about it. Their latest idea is, apparently, to set up inspection of all ships entering Taiwans ports - just short of an active military blockade - to set the precedent for "Taiwan being China". China has spent decades stealing intellectual properties from Europe. China is the main economic lifeline of Russia, and supplies them with tech needed for their attacks on Ukraine. China is a supporter of Iran, and supplies them with both intel and tech. China is the only supporter of North Korea. China actively threatens, and has in fact upped their stance against, Taiwan - a firmly pro-western democracy. China killed the freedoms and western-alignment of Hong Kong in less than 12 months, including hiring thugs to beat up protesters. China has a long track record of jailing journalists and political dissidents. China runs ~~concentration camps~~"re-education through labor" camps. China had, and in some countries still has, unofficial hidden Chinese police stations in foreign countries, including in Europe, set up to bring back Chinese citizens (particularly those who fled China). The list goes on.

China just wanting to do trade is such a huge misconception. Literally the country where the emperor told the West "I don't need anything from you, I only sell you my stuff out of good-naturedness and that can stop anytime." With a market of 1 billion people at home any medium-sized country means nothing to them - that's why they want a weak EU. They frequently weaponize trade, Listnook just sleeps on that.