**"operation will only kick in when the war is over"**
U welcome.
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Symeer2 days ago
+16
Makes sense to wait until war is over to start a demining operation...
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aprx42 days ago
+6
There is no evidence that iran actually mined the strait, at least in any meaningful scale. But the threat is enough for insurance companies to stop.
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vssavant21 day ago
+1
https://youtu.be/WmgwyrBjMBI?si=8dGlrzEYrilfJFpV
and this is AlJezeera for Odins sake.
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aprx41 day ago
That's the "plan" to clear mines if it's mined. That's not the proof the strait is actually mined, at scale that could halt the traffic.
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GalacticMetric2 days ago
+3
Bit like Ukraine then
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Artyparis2 days ago
-2
You think Europe should go all in in Ukraine ?
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europe20002 days ago
+79
Complet click bait, this is for after the war ends.
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Heizard2 days ago
-34
Nah... That is Europe in a nutshell, do something when it's already done.
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BurriedCityMayor2 days ago
+22
Europe didn't cause the strait to be closed. Stupid Americans did.
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toeknn2 days ago
+5
Iran did the closing.
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Ultra_Metal2 days ago
-3
The Islamic Republic is responsible for its own actions. Stop deflecting blame.
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Sweet_Concept22112 days ago
Yeah, Iran just up and decided to close the strait without any reason whatsoever. /S
Closing the Hormuz brought Trump to the negotiation table and bought ceasefires in Iran and Lebanon alike.
If not for US/Israel strikes on Iran, this crisis would never have happened.
TLDR: Quit your bullshit.
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toeknn2 days ago
-4
Quit your bs
No one has shed a tear for iran being struck. Theres dozens of reasons from multiple nations why its not surprising Iran got struck. Oddly alot start with the letter H.
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Ultra_Metal2 days ago
-1
Many so-called "leftists" are shedding tears for their favorite far right theocracy.
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Sweet_Concept22111 day ago
"Leftists", huh?
Literally every country outside the US - aside from some middle eastern hellholes like Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Israel - has openly stated that this war is f****** stupid from start to finish.
Has nothing to do with feels.
This war was launched by idiots without any clue what they're doing.
For fucksake, Trump is considering paying Iran $20 billion for $1 billion worth of uranium.
As if they won't turn around and buy nukes with that cash.
Idiots.
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toeknn2 days ago
-2
Oh you right. Sorry no one real has shed a tear for Iran.
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Ultra_Metal2 days ago
You're ignoring reality. Tankies are real. It's unwise to ignore the threat they pose to the world.
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toeknn2 days ago
-2
Tankies are people with no real conviction of their own. They complain from the safety and comfort of the western rights.
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serpenta2 days ago
+11
Well, I agree. We should sanction the US and Israel, until they withdraw and allow the Strait to be opened again.
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TreatAffectionate4532 days ago
+3
Unfortunately, doing so would would lend credence to Iran's claim over the Strait and set a precedent for other countries to extract tolls along similar chokepoints in sea routes. Tolls on sealanes are just conditional blockades since ships trying to skip the toll will be intercepted and impounded or turned back.
By pushing the US to unilaterally accept most of Iran's 10 points - which is what pressuring the US to leave means - Europe would be pushing to allow tolls to be set up across the world. Even worse, it'd be setting a precedent to have toll collectors decide what currency their transactions are done in since Iran specifically isn't allowing USD denominated transactions through the strait.
It's not fair that Trump's screw up is impacting Europe. However, Europe still doesn't want the war to end with a total Iranian victory.
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serpenta2 days ago
-5
We also cannot allow an American victory, because it will perpetuate the precedent of them unilaterally intervening. So we have to both rebuke Iran's claim to the Strait while also rebuking the illegal war.
The choice we have is not between a war and closed Strait. We can engage in a diplomatic discourse, but for that the war needs to end first. Iran has a reasonable expectation of war reparations, and also the countries that were attacked but did not attack Iran have reasonable expectations of war reparations. But this won't be resolved, before they'll stop causing damage to one another. Israel has a reasonable expectation of Iran ceasing the support for terrorist groups, and Iran has a reasonable expectation of Israel ceasing their expansion that goes back decades, as well as sticking to the cease fire terms *for once*.
The US needs to go, because they do not want to provide any solution to the situation, they're just making it worse.
And when it comes to illegal blockades, the US can start by unblocking Cuba, which they have been illegaly blockading since the 70s. Yet nobody attacked them, because might makes right. We really need a fair framework for the Middle East, and subduing Iran is not fair.
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MrFallman1172 days ago
+2
Anybody calling the embargo of Cuba a blockade instantly shows their lack of credibility. You either don't know what you're talking about or you're intentionally spreading misinformation.
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serpenta2 days ago
According to the UN Charter, the American embargo of Cuba is an economic blockade, and it breaches Cuban sovereignty. It is also illegal within the framework of WTO. It also impacts the sovereignty of third party states that would wish to trade with Cuba.
[https://scholarlycommons.law.case.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1869&context=jil](https://scholarlycommons.law.case.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1869&context=jil)
[https://scholarship.law.ufl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1219&context=facultypub](https://scholarship.law.ufl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1219&context=facultypub)
So maybe it's not my ignorance, but your brain washing.
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MrFallman1172 days ago
+1
>The restrictions of trade with Cuba by the United States has been
commonly labeled a "blockade" and is referred to as such in the media.
Under international law the term "blockade" has a specialized meaning
which signifies a belligerent measure taken by a nation at war to prevent
an enemy from receiving aid.4 Usually a blockade involves a physical in-
terference and a blocking of ships or other transport from reaching the
target state.' If taken by a nation not at war, a blockade has been consid-
ered an act of war.' **Though the U.S. quarantine of Cuba in 1962 has been
called both a "blockade" and a "pacific blockade, ' '7 the current restriction
on trade between the United States and Cuba is not the belligerent act of
war which is traditionally the connotation given the term, blockade.**
From your own source buddy. You can't be this ridiculous right now. I know what I'm talking about and you don't.
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serpenta2 days ago
>traditionally
Next thing, you're going to argue that ICE detention camps are not concentration camps, because traditionally concentration camps are something more severe.
The point is, it's been argued that embargo of Cuba amount to economic blockade, so your claim of "ignorance or malice" is void. **It is** political, and you can read my politics from my use of the term. But that's about it.
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MrFallman1172 days ago
+1
Oof, you know the argument's not going well when you have to start moving goalposts and playing semantic games.
I literally just read your source which disagreed with everything you said, lol. I want to point out that at no point does the other source call it a blockade, instead it always refers to it as an embargo like I did. The only use of the word blockade is in the title as a rhetorical question. You didn't happen to just pick the first two sources on google that you thought agreed with you based on their titles did you?
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Ok-Lingonberry71431 day ago
+1
Homie here was rooting for Iran. Sorry for your loss
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serpenta1 day ago
+1
Yeah, because I can either want total US victory or total Iran victory. Tertium non datur
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Tea-Unlucky2 days ago
+1
Good luck lmao, that will just hurt the EU much more than it hurts the US
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serpenta2 days ago
Will it hurt? Sure. But hat ship has sailed anyway, so might as well put it on full speed. Falling out with the US is inevitable, because we no longer share the same values. And American financialization, enshittification, approaching corporate overtake, squeezing last drops of blood from the working class hurt us in the long run more.
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Tea-Unlucky2 days ago
+2
Bro like you don’t understand just how irrelevant Europe is on an international stage. All you do is write harshly worded letters, and the US economy is significantly bigger and faster growing than the one of the EU. If you want to commit economic suicide, go ahead man.
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serpenta2 days ago
+1
The US economy was not growing faster, unless you look at sheer GDP, not even corrected for purchasing parity. You've already been in a recession for over a year. And for 2025, Euro Stoxx 600 made double the result of SP500. Wait for the AI bubble to burst, and it's gonzo. You are only relevant, because you have the biggest military. The faster we docouple ourselves from this trainwreck the better.
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Tea-Unlucky2 days ago
+1
Quick Google search:
“From 2008–2023, U.S. GDP grew by 87%, while the EU's grew by only 13.5%”
You can cope all you want but you gotta come to terms that in this relationship, Europe is the smaller brother, and quite frankly doesn’t have much power on the international stage, so they are very easy to just ignore. But for an experiment, go look up what would happen to Europe if they sanction the US
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serpenta2 days ago
+1
>The US economy was not growing faster, unless you look at sheer GDP, not even corrected for purchasing parity.
Look it up: is the US economy growing faster, really?
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Tea-Unlucky2 days ago
+3
I did look it up, the answer was yes lmao
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curiousgeorgeasks2 days ago
+4
Iran has repeatedly stated that they view the Hormuz strait as a passage they will control in perpetuity, whether the war continues or not. The only way to re-open the strait as a neutral pathway is through force- which is in alignment with the US. To do so “after the war” just means that they believe the US will open it for them and then they’ll “enforce” safe passage.
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OtheDreamer2 days ago
+1
Yes, this is exactly it. EU expects the US to do the violence, just so they can follow up *afterwards* bloviating about how much they did to help.
Everyone saw this coming.
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Hutma0092 days ago
+5
The US closed the strait by going to war, without consulting its allies, with no clear objective.
It's US-Iran war. EU should not be involved more than necessary.
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OtheDreamer2 days ago
No…the objectives have been clear this whole time to anyone in the US at least.
Disable their military capabilities. Disable nuclear enrichment capabilities. Prevent further threats to the US.
The byproduct of the strait closing was foreseeable by everyone & impacted EU the most. They didn’t take action when they should have, because like you, they didn’t think they needed to. As a byproduct Iran retaliated against parties not involved and threatened global oil & economy….which has ALWAYS been their plan, that they’ve bloviated about for 20 years.
It’s the EU who is caught unprepared yet again & made no efforts to plan when Trump was very clearly sending two armadas to the Middle East.
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Rumpullpus2 days ago
+9
The obj for this war has been about as clear as granite.
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Hutma0092 days ago
+3
Trump announced a few months ago after bombing iranian nuclear capabilities he won a huge victory and that Iran would never be able to have any nuclear capabilities after the strike.
Did he lied or is stupid?
He started the operation without informing NATO allies before hand and yet was unhappy to not receive the support he wanted.
But still bragged he does not need any help? Does the US need help or not? One day it's "not enough help, NATO allies should be involved", the day after "We don't need any support from inferior nations, NATO should end".
From the European point of view, the US is erratic, unconstant, unpredictable, imperialistic and dangerous.
The war is costing billions of dollars on the US side and still nothing has been achieved. At best we will return to a miserable status quo that Trump will call victory cause its better than the mess he created.
The EU is not impacted more than the rest of the world. With your argument every nation on earth should intervene then?
Europe is Europe first, not America first.
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OtheDreamer2 days ago
-2
NATO is a defensive pact, remember???! We don’t ask for permission to attack from NATO defense people, we asked for a coalition of the willing and there was none. Only this coalition of the unwilling afterwards.
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Hutma0092 days ago
+6
There was none willing cause the US is a very bad ally at the moment. There was none cause the US is going off the rails. There was none cause you deserve none.
And I know NATO is a defensive pact, then why is Trump so enraged that NATO did not help? Why does this man never makes any sense?
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Loose_Skill66412 days ago
+3
with what ships and whos navy
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S1gorJabjong2 days ago
-1
Well at least they're more reliable than the US to lead an actual diplomatic talks.
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Ultra_Metal2 days ago
+9
The strait will be opened by the blockade imposed by the US. The Europeans will just send some ships after the strait is open so that they can say "we did something".
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Remote-Cause7552 days ago
-9
They are only intervening afterwards. Glad they are doing something, but would not use the word reliable to describe this
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Xhaierr2 days ago
+11
You mean we would be more reliable in joining maga in this senseless war that closed the strait?
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Remote-Cause7552 days ago
-17
"reliable" would be doing something now rather than waiting for U.S to fix it
the article title made it seem like they were going to solve the issue, rather than just being on clean up duty
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TemporarySun3142 days ago
+17
\> "reliable" would be doing something now rather than waiting for U.S to fix it
You cant fix anything, while the US and iran are continuing to make everything worse...
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Remote-Cause7552 days ago
-8
>They are only intervening afterwards. Glad they are doing something, but would not use the word reliable to describe this
Please read my comment again. Did I say anything wrong? If not please stop being so defensive for no reason
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Repave23482 days ago
+5
MAGA 100% leaves shit stains in the toilet bowl for someone else to clean up, confirmed.
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causabibamus2 days ago
+13
The US unilaterally shat the bed, it's up to the US to fix it.
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Remote-Cause7552 days ago
-2
I was just commenting on wrongly using the word reliable, stop making this conversation something it is not
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xerthighus2 days ago
+8
Reliable- trusted, depended upon, or believed to perform consistently well. I trust the EU to preform this operation that they are planning more than I trust the US to “ fix” what they broke without leaving it in a worse condition than we found it in.
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Remote-Cause7552 days ago
-1
Bro Europe is literally trusting on the U.S to fix this issue. Their whole plan is about dealing with the clean up. My f****** God guys, just read the article
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xerthighus2 days ago
+2
No the EU’s plan is once the US is done playing around to go in and fix the situation. Currently blockading the blockade is the US plan that has no actual evidence of solving the situation. The EU is planning on Demining and having defensive presence to make insurance companies more comfortable allowing ships through. Something a simple ceasefire or peace deal won’t achieve.
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Remote-Cause7552 days ago
+3
>No the EU’s plan is once the US is done playing around to go in and fix the situation.
You mean the bulk of the problem!?
F****** hell guys, just accept the article title is misleading and move on. You guys want to cirlcejerk irrelevant shit so badly
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xerthighus2 days ago
It’s not misleading unless you jump to conclusions and assume bombs will fix the problem that bombs created. A ceasefire or peace deal won’t open the strait and the traffic will need to be controlled and coordinated with the bottlenecks on both sides. US or Iran doing this will likely not sell confidence to the business
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DistanceToEmpty2 days ago
+4
No, Europe should not bail out Trump or the US. Americans need to feel the consequences of what they voted for, even if it means some hardships for the rest of the world. If it's an energy and inflation crisis that finally gets through to them, so be it. If this turns out to America's Suez Crisis moment, good. I'm willing to do with less if that's what it takes.
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Remote-Cause7552 days ago
+1
Omfg, how many people are going to comment the same thing? I don't care what they do, I was just commenting on the wrong use of the word reliable
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SquooshyCat2 days ago
While also preparing for the next thing the US will wreck. Will it be Ukraine, Greenland or the Catholic church? Who knows? Only Putin and Bibi seem to know because they hold the leech.
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Remote-Cause7552 days ago
Holy f****** Christ. I dont give a f*** about the EU vs U.S d*** sucking match. I am just commenting on the actual plan, just read the article you goobers
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SquooshyCat2 days ago
Then stop talking about and showing your d*** all the time USA. All this pride for what? Waiting for the US to fix it? Fix what? Warmongering with this little IQ should be illegal.
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Remote-Cause7552 days ago
+2
I don't give a f***. Go tell a therapist or someone who actually cares.
I am allowed to critique someone wrongly using the word reliable without you having an irreverent tantrum
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Medium_Fast2 days ago
+2
Lol. Welcome to the current state of listnook.
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SquooshyCat2 days ago
+1
But doctor, I am a therapist.
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Hutma0092 days ago
+1
Why would we do anything during a war that the US started alone without consulting anybody, without a clear objective or end.
European should not pay for american stupidity. Especially when led by the orange man that threatens europe every other morning.
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S1gorJabjong2 days ago
I mean, they wouldn't lie outright about the progress.
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Red_River_Metis18 hr ago
+1
Good. Because Trump has proven that he is incapable of it. Only thing him and his band of morons are able to do is break shit.
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[deleted]2 days ago
-7
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I_Never_Use_Slash_S2 days ago
+3
Nope, they’re just talking about doing something, later.
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mesmerooo2 days ago
+1
smell my sensible behind
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otclogic2 days ago
-3
To the rescue with operation pat on the back
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PurpleReign1232 days ago
-4
Europe-led!
I’m very certain it will be enforced before 30 April 2062.
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soulstormfire2 days ago
+1
It will be enforced after the war :'D
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NoBSforGma2 days ago
-4
It's refreshing to see that someone has some actual SENSE in this whole scenario.
Edit: Hey, downvoters: Let's talk about it! If you disagree with what I wrote, then say so and we can have a discussion.
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kochiriri2 days ago
from blockaded to clogged
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vu2tve2 days ago
-8
So, will they fight the blockade, or the blockade of the blockade, or will they do their own blockade on top of the two blockades after failing spectacularly like the americans?
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soulstormfire2 days ago
+9
" The France and UK-led coalition insists the operation will only kick in when the war is over. Countries say they are ready to send warships, personnel and demining support."
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Loose_Skill66412 days ago
so basically send some ships for emotional support after both sides already agree to open the strait
got it
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Jamuro2 days ago
+5
its a crapton of countries basically saying they want shit to go back to how it was.
a cynic would say, they want to preemt any us fuckery like declaring another "trump economic zone"
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yubnubster2 days ago
+1
Blockade the blockade, blockading the blockade almost certainly. Though, the Indians might then blockade, the blockade, blockading the blockade with a blockade.. Until the Chinese start to etc...
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