Suspect has been arrested, and there are no injuries as per article
791
Fritzkreig5 days ago
+313
And it is the moderate centrist party; that makes little sense to me, sigh‽
313
Melo_Apologist5 days ago
+66
They’re centrists economically, but they’re very progressive so they’re often seen as left wing, at least by right wingers
66
Fritzkreig5 days ago
+11
US here, I wish that we had more viable parties here**!!!!!!**
11
Werftflammen5 days ago
+10
Dutch here: we have a lot of choice
10
Visible-Decision-6613 days ago
+1
Another Dutch here: too much choice. The Netherlands is rapidly becoming ungovernable with the amount of parties we currently have.
1
Werftflammen3 days ago
+1
Well, that's how it was meant to be. Parties aren't mentioned in the constitution. They came in to being to make like minded reps more effective, but it's supoosed to be every man for himself.
1
Golden_D14 days ago
+1
D66 does probably resemble the Democratic Party the best
1
patatjepindapedis4 days ago
+1
The party in question has modeled itself after the US Democrat party since its inception
1
musiccman20205 days ago
+124
They have dropped immensely in the ratings after they won the last elections ( they became the biggest party )
124
Zoefschildpad5 days ago
+112
They have 26 seats and are down to 22 in the latest poll on peil.nl. That's not a noteworthy drop in Dutch politics.
112
Left-Night-11255 days ago
+14
They dropped 14 seats according to other polls.
And that latest redo county election painst a very clear picture.
14
Werftflammen5 days ago
-1
What other polls? We don't rven have counties. If lying was a disease, you'd be terminal.
-1
Left-Night-11255 days ago
Counties = gemeente
0
Werftflammen4 days ago
+3
Nah, we don't have counties like that, I would go with 'town' or 'city'. Gorinchem ("Gorkum") is a city. The vote was redone after undisclosed complaints, and didn't change a thing: Democraten Gorinchem won again.
3
Traditional-Road40044 days ago
+1
You really think thats a big thing? Our parlement ratings, the zetels switch all the time. 4 down or up is not really a thing..
1
Fritzkreig5 days ago
+11
I don't like the bifurcation of politics, but it seems like being moderate and sitting in the middle is not a great plan today; which stinks but apparently you make enemies on both sides‽
11
Goldenrah5 days ago
+41
That's a problem when the overton window shifts to either side. Being moderate does not mean you should stick to the middle, when one side goes too far you need to course correct and pick the more reasonable side or be considered bad by both.
41
Fritzkreig5 days ago
-34
> when the Overton window shifts
You are correct and awesome, as I very very rarely hear that term mentioned; keep being smort!
-34
Vectismc5 days ago
+6
what’s your point?
6
Fritzkreig5 days ago
-4
I was just complimenting them on the use of the term Overton Window, as I don't hear or see it in discourse that oft.
Kinda curious about the furious downvotes though; I was agreeing and complimenting them‽
-4
Vectismc5 days ago
+9
It’s because your comment came across as arrogant instead of genuine because it sounded sarcastic. edit: my brain doesn’t work and double negatives aren’t working rn
9
Fritzkreig5 days ago
+3
Yeah that is my bad, I did not mean to be that way; I don't like to, but /s is even more important than IRL conversations.
We all good, and because we are we can do better, thanks for the reply and have your best day!
3
Vectismc5 days ago
+5
when the overton window is so far away from center that the us department of homeland security is posting “remigration” and threatening to deport 100 million people, it’s hard to believe people don’t know the term more
5
MacDegger5 days ago
+9
What a dumb thing to say. Only one side starts resorting to violence and it ain't the left.
And let's think about who is financing the right with monetary and social media support.
9
cross_the_threshold5 days ago
+13
That’s not entirely true, the left has used violence many times in many countries, however they use violence generally with the intent to right some wrong. In the modern US we now have relatively normal people trying to kill the president, which should be a clarion call that things are EXTREMELY BAD to the party in power, humans don’t turn to violence without feeling like they’re under existential threat and normal, middle of the road people in your country feeling that way is very bad. But regardless there has absolutely been leftist violence worldwide, even discounting influence from authoritarian socialist groups. An example would be the Spear of the Nation, the paramilitary wing of the African National Congress in South Africa.
Political violence is more common from right wing extremists in functioning democracies because they’re more easily convinced they’re under existential threat and they automatically distrust democracies, left wing violence starts to become more organized and common when a minority group or workers feel so unheard that they feel existentially threatened, which is more common in authoritarian countries or countries with heavily enforced social and legal discrimination. Regardless neither “side” has a monopoly on political violence and it’s disingenuous to act like there is one - and I say this as someone who’s very much a leftist.
13
CobalMods5 days ago
+2
Yes it's true that both sides have resorted to violence.
However for the past 30-ish years or so only 10-15% of ideologically motivated violence was caused by left wingers, over 60% was right wing and the remaining falls under religiously motivated violence
2
Stable_Orange_Genius5 days ago
+11
To be clear.
Israel supports pvv (far right).
Russia supports FvD (fascism).
Turkey supports DENK (???)
Usa supports VVD (neo-liberal)
It's insane how much other countries try to influence politics in Europe and how little we do against it.
11
Left-Night-11255 days ago
-19
Pvv isnt as far right as you think, this is a misconception. Its leader is against extreme Islam not against foreigners as some like to point out.
Yeah i know telling the truth gets me downvotes, but i gladly take those.
-19
nybbleth5 days ago
+15
> this is a misconception
It absolutely is not.
15
RecklessTRexDriver5 days ago
+7
\> Its leader is against extreme Islam not against foreigners as some like to point out.
Except he has literally said "Do we want more or less Moroccans?" before (video for the interested, markdown is failing me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaB75uznT8o) and every single issue he points on 'the foreigners', that doesn't sound very nuanced to me.
7
Left-Night-11255 days ago
-9
It was a question, the media cut it up changing the context.
-9
RecklessTRexDriver5 days ago
+8
He was convicted for it, and even the supreme court upheld it. So no, it wasn't just 'out of context'.
8
syrup_cupcakes5 days ago
+3
If your one and only standpoint as a party is a right wing one, then you are not a right wing party? That doesn't make any sense.
3
simnie695 days ago
+3
Economically they are not right-wing. But that part, and all the other parts, are filler and just for show. The only part that counts is migration-related.
3
nybbleth5 days ago
+4
> Economically they are not right-wing
Please... for the love of... stop repeating this myth. They absolutely *are* economically right *as well*. In fact, despite conning people into think they're economically left, **they literally vote to the right of the VVD** on economic matters.
And *that*, is the part that actually counts. It is the migration part that is just for show; as is almost always the case with the right. It's all about personal greed. Don't look at what they *say*. Look at what they actually *do*.
They are as h******* rightwing on the economy as you can possibly get, but want to keep you and everyone else propagating the myth that they're leftwing on the economy. They rile up their base with hate against foreigners, and make it sound as if they're going to help out the poor and working class. But when it comes down to it, they do nothing but incompetent meaningless symbolism on immigration, while voting to cut benefits and screwing over the poor.
4
simnie695 days ago
+4
Well, the Palestine obsession of the left is getting close. They sound like they are fighting a holy war or something (ignoring comparable conflicts elsewhere). Thing is that they are probably infiltrated by some Russian psy-ops brigade. Let the left focus on something impossible (and quite impopular when it comes to the islam-aspect of it) while ignoring their base. The left means well, but oh boy…
4
RustOnTheEdge4 days ago
+1
Yeah I also always wonder, how much external forces are behind these things? For example, extinction rebellion was known for climate change protest, and rather radical (blocking highways, even ambulances and such), but lately all you see is Palestina flags on these demonstrations. Like they are infiltrated and hijacked for another cause, that is purposely trying to make them less likable by the general public. People devoting their time to address climate change, well nobody is really against a better environment. People blocking the highway in Islam-linked headscarves yelling “from the river to the sea”? Yeah not much love in the general public for “those crazies”.
1
simnie694 days ago
+2
Oh yeah, it would be so very clever of Putin and such if they started infiltrating the left about 25 years ago, fixating them on the Palestinian cause, playing on their, admirable, sense of justice. Fighting for the cause of muslims basically, in a time where the far right gains ground by playing on the problems some muslims cause in western societies. The principles of the left (that ignores situations like in Western Africa, so you can label it as hypocritical) versus the populist hyperboles (which aren’t without some basis) of the far right. No wonder the far right has been winning. (Which is scary as f*** for a gay man like me. Then again, quite a few muslim guys aren’t so gay-friendly either)
The left has been looking away from their roots. The Danish PM was the forst one to change course, which was very smart. (Yet even she has her issues, the recent elections didn’t go well).
I for one would not be surprised if in a few decades, the psy-ops will be revealed.
2
Traditional-Road40044 days ago
+1
The problem is seeing another as the enemy and not making policies together.
1
Mathies_4 days ago
+1
Well yeah they formed a coalition that pretty much none of their voters wanted them to, and they conceded on pretty much all of their policies too, in favour of the rightwing partners. Their campaign plan is like not at all represented in the coalition, which is nothing short of emberassing for being the party with themost leverage.
1
nybbleth5 days ago
+56
The far right in the Netherlands has long held a particular contempt for D66.
56
PhDinDildos_Fedoras5 days ago
+24
Breivik in Norway slaughtered kids who were involved with the moderate social democrats.
24
Werftflammen5 days ago
+6
D66 is right of center actually, on a European scale. Compared to the US even our most conservative party comes of as commies
6
impy6955 days ago
+46
Far right politics typically hate anyone left of them and are prone to violence. A moderate centrist party seems like the perfect target for rightwing nutjobs
46
Werftflammen5 days ago
+3
If you are far right enough. Everything besides you is left
3
Agitated-Ad52065 days ago
+28
Moderate Centrism is defined as leftwing these days. No joke.
28
nybbleth5 days ago
+8
Even the 'normal' rightwing parties are defined as leftwing by the far right. Some of them even call the VVD leftwing.
8
harumpf5 days ago
+2
To be fair, from their vantage point everything is to the left.
2
DaemonPrimarchJ5 days ago
+23
It's even described as "radical leftism" by some (who clearly have never lived under actual communism)
23
Werftflammen5 days ago
+5
The whole rightwing trend is funded by rich people, it's all short sighted, short term, blame others, no solutions type stuff.
5
DaemonPrimarchJ1 day ago
+2
I know. You know. Most don't know how bad the future is for us all, or are they willfully ignorant... I do not know but, we really should have our own propaganda division should we not? (I mean for all the non-rich, non sociopaths etc)
2
Werftflammen1 day ago
+1
Nah, the truth doesn't need propaganda. Propaganda is always about lies. Reality has a very lefty bias.
1
jhawk32055 days ago
-16
*lived under a regime claiming to be communist*
-16
0zymandeus5 days ago
+17
Right wing political parties really like terrorist attacks on that building.
17
TacTurtle5 days ago
+5
What makes a man turn neutral, Kiff?
5
evasive_dendrite5 days ago
+2
They're the largest party so they're now the tagret of countless Russian AI generated hate propaganda posts.
2
Automatic_Algae_94255 days ago
+1
What is it you don't understand? Extremists often target centrists. (And I thought an interrobang was used for questions, not statements or interjections.)
1
Weliveanddietogether5 days ago
-1
They are moderate. Before the election the dude came on stage in front of the national flag claiming he'd be strict on immigration.
Of course now he's the prime minister, his party is not delivering on that promise.
-1
PoIIux5 days ago
-4
> moderate centrist party
You mean it's the party that posed as having leftist ideals and then pivoted right back to being solidly right wing once it went from talking to doing? The only centrist thing about them is the average between their stated goals and their actions. This is just right on right violence, which isn't unusual
-4
Sarcastic_Crab04205 days ago
-1
Haha suxs to be that guy!
-1
The-BlackLotus5 days ago
-59
They are actively f****** the country up
-59
mf-TOM-HANK5 days ago
+13
And only Geert Wilders can fix it !! /S
13
Killerdreamer_png5 days ago
+20
How?
20
[deleted]5 days ago
+82
[removed]
82
BondingBollinger5 days ago
+30
I hope nobody is seriously injured or worse from this. It would be good if this is a wake up call for the Dutch government to take the far right threat seriously. These people are also making politically charged videos targeting Canada and need to be dealt with by the Dutch authorities!
30
RustOnTheEdge4 days ago
+1
What has Canada to do with it? Genuinely asking, I am trying to stay out of politics on the internet so I don’t see a lot of these videos
1
NA_0_10_never_forget5 days ago
+32
well that's not good. Jetten said months ago that he wants police to have total control of citizens data for "safety" blabla. Looks like he's going to double down
32
RustOnTheEdge4 days ago
+3
I don’t recall any of the sort, do you have a source for this police-total-control statement?
69 Comments