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Announcements Jun 21, 2018 at 4:51 PM

Extra! Extra! We're launching a News tab as a beta feature in our iOS app!

Posted by 0perspective

People have come to Listnook for news since the site first launched back in 2005. In the decade-plus since then, you've demonstrated the power communities can have with news — analyzing articles, providing exposure to multiple perspectives, and having millions of discussions that bring context and insight to the conversation. You've shown us that news is an important part of how you use Listnook, but it's gotten harder to only get the news and related discussion, especially if you're subscribed to lots of non-news sublistnooks or browse [r/popular](https://www.listnook.com/r/popular) and [r/all](https://www.listnook.com/r/all). This is why we launched an [alpha](https://www.listnook.com/r/listnookmobile/comments/8i7q2q/tldr_some_ios_users_will_see_a_news_tab_were/) News tab on our iOS app a few weeks ago. After hearing feedback from mods and iOS users and making a lot of improvements to the design and function of the tab along the way, **today we’re releasing it to the majority of iOS users as a beta**. # What’s the News tab and how does it work? [\(GIF of the News tab in action\)](https://i.redd.it/40c0ksw4wd511.gif) The News tab offers a home for content that the community surfaces from a group of sublistnooks that frequently share and engage with the news. When you open the [Listnook iOS app](https://www.listnook.com/mobile/download), you'll find it to the left of "Home" and "Popular." The News tab content is then divided into a handful of common news topics -- like politics, science, and sports -- with options to customize your News tab by selecting the topics or subtopics that interest you most. We took care to build the News experience around communities that were already engaging with news the most. We have set guidelines for the communities that filter into the experience, as well as the post type (for example: posts titles must reflect the article title). We’ll continue to expand the communities you see in News in Q3. For more on our guidelines, how we’ve been testing and collecting feedback in the News tab alpha on iOS, see our initial [update](https://www.listnook.com/r/listnookmobile/comments/8i7q2q/tldr_some_ios_users_will_see_a_news_tab_were/). # What’s coming next? So far, we have been testing the News experience in the iOS mobile app. Later this summer, we will be releasing it to desktop. Based on your feedback, we are also working on a few additional features. You told us you wanted more granular news topics (not just Sports but Baseball specifically), so we’ve introduced subtopics for you to personalize your News tab and notifications. You all told us you want to be able to see how different communities are talking about the same story. So, we are developing a community pivot feature that will show you multiple threads from different communities on the same article. For those of you with the iOS app, try out News and send your feedback our way by commenting below. We’ll continue to make changes as more listnookors test it out. In the meantime, we’ll stick around in the comments below to answer your questions.
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SirEDCaLot Jun 21, 2018 +2579
I think this is a Bad Thing, because it's an exclusive feature to an app. Listnook is supposed to be a platform, a platform that you can interact with in many different ways (multiple web UIs targeted at desktop and mobile, apps, 3rd party stuff, etc). You interact with it in whichever way works best for you, and that's a good thing because it's more useful for more people. As such, any new features like this should be device-neutral- able to be accessed from any device. Otherwise (even in a beta test) you are screening out not only most of the users, but many demographics of users, from giving any feedback. I personally would love to try this but I almost exclusively browse Listnook through old.listnook.com (desktop) or i.listnook.com (mobile). I also use an Android phone. So I literally *cannot* try this feature. ------- I'd also like to echo the concerns about sublistnook selection. Your posted criteria [here](https://www.listnook.com/r/announcements/comments/8sth30/extra_extra_were_launching_a_news_tab_as_a_beta/e1244tv/) look good on the face of it. However there are communities that fit those guidelines but also have an extreme bias one way or another, and (on a community/voting level) don't welcome or tolerate alternative viewpoints very much. I don't mind a community that has a slant one way or the other, as long as the community (both moderators and users) are tolerant of opposing ideas and are willing to engage in discussion without mass-downvoting well-thought-out but opposing posts. If that is not the case, then such sublistnooks should not be included in news.
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[deleted] Jun 21, 2018 +121
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[deleted] Jun 21, 2018 +17
>I think this is a Bad Thing, because it's an exclusive feature to an app. Honestly I'd rather have "features" like the news tab, location sharing, etc. confined to the shitty mobile app than have them spread onto the desktop site.
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SirEDCaLot Jun 21, 2018 +9
> location sharing is that seriously a thing someone is talking about?
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billytheskidd Jun 22, 2018 +5
It’s already a thing. Unless you turn it off the r/Popular tab defaults as regional as is centered around posts that gain more interest in your region.
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[deleted] Jun 22, 2018 +3
It is/was also possible to share your current location when posting on the mobile app: https://i.imgur.com/d8JnZrQ.jpg Source: https://www.listnook.com/r/changelog/comments/6eaibq/listnook_for_ios_version_30_now_available/
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ConsistentlyRight Jun 23, 2018 +3
> I don't mind a community that has a slant one way or the other, as long as the community (both moderators and users) are tolerant of opposing ideas and are willing to engage in discussion without mass-downvoting well-thought-out but opposing posts. If that is not the case, then such sublistnooks should not be included in news. So basically /news shouldn't be included in news.
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CallMeParagon Jun 21, 2018 +702
Do you have a list of subs that will be contributing to the News tab? Do you have a plan to keep certain subs on said list from abusing whatever algorithm you've come up with to force certain news to the top?
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[deleted] Jun 21, 2018 +143
I'm less worried about the community abusing the algorithm and more concerned about the listnook administration making their own curated and controlled alternative to the free form chaotic format we have now. Does anyone at listnook HQ remember Digg? You guys owe your success to it's spectacular failure and you're doing it all over again. This is Digg v4, but instead of a huge update, it's slowly being rolled out. Like boiling a frog by keeping the temperature increase slow enough. Edit: Oh yeah and let's not forget how Facebook removed its News accumulator system due to backlash. I guess listnook admins see an empty niche and haven't stopped to wonder *WHY* that niche is empty.
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NightWillReign Jun 21, 2018 +40
They keep doing shit that no one asked for
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unkn0wnedd Jun 21, 2018 +50
It’s going to be r/worldnews, r/news, r/politics. I’ve been looking at it the past couple days and it basically has been anti-Trump articles 24/7. Seems like the popular page basically but no fun things.
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[deleted] Jun 21, 2018 +109
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calvers70 Jun 21, 2018 +270
What are your plans for safeguarding/improving what Listnook does well at the moment (the validation, multiple perspective stuff, providing more info/context and calling out BS)? On a related note, do you see Listnook's (hopeful) growth affecting this as it becomes more "noisy" and do you have any plans around that to ensure the voting system continues to ensure the cream "rises to the top"?
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Not_An_Ambulance Jun 21, 2018 +35
Listnook does NOT do multiple perspectives well. Downvoted content disappears from view, and unfortunately people frequently use upvotes and downvotes to signal agreement. The alternate perspectives get hidden by design.
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[deleted] Jun 21, 2018 +1134
[This content was deleted on 2023-06-17 in response to Listnook's API changes, which were maliciously designed with the intention of killing 3rd party apps. Their decisions and continued actions taken against developers, mods, and normal Listnookors are obviously completely unacceptable. If you're interested in purging your own content, I recommend Power Delete Suite. Long live Apollo and f*** u/Spez]
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serenademeplease Jun 21, 2018 +17
Facebook removed this feature recently. My first thought at the headline was that I like this, because often I do want to see info about a major event without trying to figure out if it's in r/news, r/worldnews, r/politics, etc. But without a very transparent algorithm or end-user customization, it has too much potential to be a propaganda machine.
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Beard_of_Valor Jun 21, 2018 +66
It's focused on money and to a lesser extent adoption. Imagine being able to tell advertisers that you have a curated news feed on the 3rd or 4th most popular website.
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rmphys Jun 21, 2018 +48
Yeah, notice they haven't divulged their algorithm and are voiding questions. They're gonna be selling spots on the news feed to advertisers.
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Tymerc Jun 22, 2018 +10
> Edit: I'm so tired of these sort of posts clearly showing the community doesn't want a feature and then they just disregard us. Yeah pretty much sums up all of their decisions lately.
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thinkB4WeSpeak Jun 21, 2018 +167
We need a good gold boycott Edit: irony
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Eric_the_Barbarian Jun 21, 2018 +29
More shit that nobody except the advertisers wanted.
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[deleted] Jun 21, 2018 +11
> Listnook should be focused on improving what makes it unique, not copying other big sites. Becoming a generic social media app that no one wants is a bigger priority.
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Rambles_Off_Topics Jun 21, 2018 +7
They are headed straight towards Facebook and it's pretty glaringly obvious. Why they want to innovate to become the competition makes no sense.
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Willravel Jun 22, 2018 +3
> Edit: I'm so tired of these sort of posts clearly showing the community doesn't want a feature and then they just disregard us. Kinda makes these kinds of announcements out to just be edicts instead of actual conversations with the community. Clearly they don't care, but it won't matter until we all stop buying gold, we all install AdBlock, and we all use /r/StopAdvertising to force them to listen to the community.
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TexasThrowDown Jun 21, 2018 +856
There's already a real problem with vote manipulation and political agendas being pushed on this site. How does the team plan to counteract this? Are there any plans? To me this update seems to encourage the same type of behavior, and doesn't appear to bring anything positive to the table, much like /r/popular did.
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ProbablyPostingNaked Jun 21, 2018 +202
It's happening in this thread. They pushed down the most upvoted comment no matter how you sort because it calls attention to their lack of care for what the community wants. They are determined to be Facebook 2.0 at this point. Nothing is going to change that.
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Dakewlguy Jun 21, 2018 +9
Heavy moderation and super user curated content. Admins seem hellbent on replicating Diggs demise.
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Fnhatic Jun 22, 2018 +6
The Listnook admins literally banned every single gun-related sublistnook from ever making it to /r/popular, even /r/guns which is pretty tightly moderated and is literally just pictures of guns. Of course it's going to be agenda-driven, **and they are going to be the ones driving it.**
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RandomRedditor32905 Jun 21, 2018 -396
Listnook is becoming so gay. EDIT: How pathetic is it that you can't say the word gay anymore without being hive mind downvoted by SJW's You people need to grow up. Oh no, I said "you people" I'm so sowwy 😢 EDIT2: Lmao -150 come on keep it coming! EDIT3: Most downvoted comment ever lmao, keep it up gaywads.
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vanoreo Jun 22, 2018 +50
I'm almost impressed. You came to a thread where the admins were getting absolutely shit on, and managed to not only make an ass out of yourself, but also give the admins a positive-voted comment. Your main comment was just dumb, but at this point your edits are what's doing the damage. Especially since you're acknowledging the downvotes.
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jay1237 Jun 22, 2018 +13
How pathetic is it that you can't say the word **negro** anymore without being hive mind downvoted by SJW's You people need to grow up. Oh no, I said "you people" How pathetic is it that you can't say the word **k***** anymore without being hive mind downvoted by SJW's You people need to grow up. Oh no, I said "you people" How pathetic is it that you can't say the word **faggot** anymore without being hive mind downvoted by SJW's You people need to grow up. Oh no, I said "you people" Gosh bud, it's almost like times change and shitty behaviour becomes less tolerated. You can either learn to deal with it, or end up like the racist grandparent who everyone kinda hates.
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Classtoise Jun 22, 2018 +11
F****** SJWs policing who I can and cannot disparage with blanket statements meant to dehumanize and devalue someones existence!!! ^^^/s
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gres06 Jul 1, 2018 +6
You are like a regular Patrick Henry defending us all from the tyranny of... Being downvoted for calling things gay. I bet everyone in your family is so proud. You great great grandchildren will share stories not of their heroic ancestor and his battle.
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StockingsBooby Jun 21, 2018 +60
You’re not downvoted because SJWs, you’re downvoted because you’re either in 7th grade or an adult who uses “gay” as an insult
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0perspective Jun 21, 2018 +342
[Thank you!](https://media.giphy.com/media/ceaZ3adrA27mbCjzL7/giphy.gif)
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pandab34r Jun 22, 2018 +9
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[deleted] Jun 21, 2018 +91
You are now a r/dankmemes moderator
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[deleted] Jun 21, 2018 +10
You have been banned from /r/pingpong
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BrianRampage Jun 21, 2018 +671
Doesn't this go against the entire foundation of the up/downvoting system? If enough people upvote content or a link, it will naturally find its way to the front page, either on /all or /popular. Seems like a sneaky way to curate and push an angle, especially since the contributing sublistnooks are nondisclosed and able to be changed on a whim. Then we'll start seeing (more) guerrilla advertisements and sponsored links in the sublistnooks that contribute to the tab due to their escalated visibility. Feels like an implementation of the News or Trending features on Twitter (which are terrible) - shit that they want you to see because they know your click history and preferences... How about improving the search function? Has anyone mentioned that idea? I know that won't bring in more sponsored links or make the experience less user-friendly (which is the current trend).. but it would be nice.
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finalremix Jun 22, 2018 +45
The voting has been getting pruned and neutered over time. We used to see the values of up/down votes on each comment and link. Then they fuzzed it. Then they went with %'s which they're welcome to just make the f*** up as they see fit now. Votes don't *really* matter. Gold can be given out by admins. It used to be to drum up interest in buying gold. It can also be used to selectively bring attention to comments and posts that push whatever pro-advertising content they want to push. Search drives people to the content *they* want to see, not the content the listnook company and related advertisers want you to see. There's no point in making a better search engine if users can be driven toward the shit that'll maximize profits. > I know that won't bring in more sponsored links or make the experience less user-friendly (which is the current trend).. but it would be nice. Advertising already looks like "real" content and comments, and bots run amok, reposting and voting on c*** to push specific content. It's a (somewhat) carefully orchestrated and manufactured experience to push users toward advertisers' stuff.
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FlowerShowerHead Jun 22, 2018 +4
>The voting has been getting pruned and neutered over time. We used to see the values of up/down votes on each comment and link. Then they fuzzed it. Then they went with %'s which they're welcome to just make the f*** up as they see fit now. Votes don't *really* matter. i mean i agree but wouldn't it have been simpler to just fake the # of up/downvotes?
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finalremix Jun 22, 2018 +4
Yeah, it definitely would. That's what they initially did, though. RES used to show the votes on everything because the site reported that data. Then, there was a period of time where the counts on posts and comments would change and be inaccurate between refreshes and users, essentially faking the counts. Then, the admins decided to get rid of that totally, stopped reporting votes, and instead just put percents on posts and said "it stops 'bots'."
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BroXplode Jun 22, 2018 +32
Listnook has been pushing towards being the number 1 advertising platform. So gone are the days of 'donate listnook gold to help pay server costs'. Good job Conde Naste, even Ellen Pao made this place bearable.
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Freefight Jun 21, 2018 +99
This sounds exactly what they want. They used a lot of words to explain the feature but ultimately it comes down to this.
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Goyteamsix Jun 22, 2018 +14
Ever since they fucked with the algorithm, news takes forever to hit the front page. I'll hear about something happening and have to wait like 2 hours to see it here. And it's not like I can search for it either, because the search results is just a page of irrelevant shit from 2 years ago. I'm so sick of this website.
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BashCo Jun 21, 2018 +193
>After hearing feedback from mods and iOS users and making a lot of improvements to the design and function of the tab along the way This is not entirely true. You solicited feedback from /r/Bitcoin mods on 3 separate occasions (4 separate occasions now, because OP just messaged us again soliciting more feedback.). We asked you each time for specifics on WHAT we should be reviewing (because there are no visible changes) and HOW news threads were being aggregated. On all 3 occasions we were completely ignored, and therefore were unable to provide any feedback at all. *Moderators have no indication whatsoever which posts are visible in the News section*, and it is unlikely that listnook admins have done enough to curate fake, clickbait, and plagiarist news domains. Aside from that, I find the fact that heavily monetized, corporate-owned and outright poisonous sublistnooks are eligible for the News section and will abuse this access in order to push propaganda, even malicious libel directed toward other sublistnooks. This is some of the feedback we would have offered had we not been completely ignored.
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AlmightyStarfire Jun 21, 2018 +95
How many times am i going to have to unsubscribe from r/announcements? Listnook pushing content is getting kinda annoying tbh. Every fifth post is an advert. I have zero interest in the chat feature and yet there it is, taking up real estate at the botton of my screen. I have zero interest in 'recently visited subs' - that's why i have favourites (star toggle) - but there it is, every time I enter my sub list, taking up screen space. Just checked the gif: this looks like another pain in the ass change. *At least* put the home tab - the one full of stuff I actually want to see - back where it is on the left and as the default option.
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Pun-Master-General Jun 21, 2018 +168
Serious question: what's the incentive to use this rather than creating and using a multilistnook of news subs? One of the big advantages of using Listnook for news is being able to choose the granularity of news that you see (e.g. sports news, gaming news, entertainment news, just uplifting news, etc.) by choosing which sublistnooks to visit or subscribe to. It looks like this news tab is essentially just an admin-curated multilistnook. Is there an advantage to it that making your own multilistnook won't have?
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[deleted] Jun 22, 2018 +18
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think multilistnooks have been removed in the redesign. I looked for them the other day but was unable to find them - they were an occasionally very useful thing that probably just wasn't popular enough.
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Beraed Jun 22, 2018 +17
Multilistnooks are so damn useful. I sort my subs by 4 categories: 1: frontpage - the best sublistnooks / things i want to see daily 2: trending - subs that ill switch to if i get bored of the frontpage or if it gets stale 3: saved - subs that i dont want to see clumped up together cause it destroys the viewing experience but i wanna keep track off. (ex; r/comedycemetery or r/gifsthatendtoosoon or r/thathappened) 4: nsfw - don't tell mom
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bacon_cake Jun 22, 2018 +14
Multilistnooks have vanished in the redesign, so has selective /r/all - my two favourite features.
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Jurph Jun 22, 2018 +5
Before the News tab, if you wanted to buy a prominent position for a post, you needed to spend that money *outside* of listnook, building cutout accounts or using SEO and heavily-followed accounts to drive traffic to a specific post in a coordinated way. Promoted posts let you buy that prominence directly from listnook, but the users are notified that it's been paid for. With the news tab, content creators will eventually get the very best of both features - organic-seeming results that stay front-of-mind in the valuable demos they select, and a single easy payment system that lets them budget effectively, narrow their partnering scope, and only pay listnook for content inflation on listnook. Instead of risking your marketing budget on a post that a user might curate away, listnook shifts curation to a centralized feature and lets The Algorithm choose your news. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^. ...Oh, you were asking about how it benefits a *user*?
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pewpewlefty Jun 21, 2018 +416
The new News tab is just a forced aggregated sublistnook with its own dedicated button that I can’t remove. I use Listnook for the subs I subscribe to. If I want to view news related to a particular subject, I subscribe to that sub. I don’t want or need an organization to aggregate news for me based on an algorithm.
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fumbl3 Jun 22, 2018 +8
Listnook is this website that is really cool, has become insanely popular and it is predicated on simplicity, text interface, and user driven content and (formerly) a honest voting system, and an environment not welcoming to bully groups (like TMOR) that brigade your sub because they don't agree with its content. Let's change that to be something that pretty much a majority of the people don't want. like letting there be 1) Rapant, RAPANT bot and vote manipulation. 2) obvious shill groups (that were cracked down but only after there purpose as served and 3) Bully groups not only thrive but are becoming popular under no punishment for anything. The punishment I do see is blatant censoring of topics that is one of those key subjects that are taboo here, and banning. 10 min ban, lifetime ban, shadowban one post a day ban whatever its ridiculous. It is becoming so that if someone likes a subject, let's say Jordan Peterson, they are banned by Mods in sublistnooks just for being a member there. I read that and many others in the listnookisdying sub I think, and the sub was /surfing. edit: I think it was listnookisdying, but just checked and it is empty...I don't remember the sublistnook now. There is going to be a tipping point, and the thing that makes this site what it is, the users and their content, will just leave.
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ixtechau Jun 21, 2018 +153
But how else are they going to shape your opinion on things?
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[deleted] Jun 21, 2018 +86
Why are you doing this? Why are you adding new features that no one wants. Your roll out of "new listnook" isn't entirely finished and it's terrible. Fix your broken shit before continuing to add shitty stuff that no one wants. Foe fucks sake. Your site is literally, physically practically unusable since your recent change, and that's not even including all the horrible other changes that have taken place over the past several years. Get your shit together.
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[deleted] Jun 21, 2018 +15
Oh my god that f****** redesign. Incognito browsing the NSFW sublistnooks is so awful now...
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[deleted] Jun 21, 2018 +12
Browsing any sublistnooks is so awful now.
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[deleted] Jun 21, 2018 +204
Looks like more bloat and another example of [feature creep](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feature_creep). Besides, multilistnooks already exist so users can curate their own individual feeds (relating to everything from news to cooking recipes) the way they see fit. Instead of pushing for an unnecessary "News" tab why not just try making the existing multis feature more intuitive?
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[deleted] Jun 22, 2018 +8
Its actually not feature creep, thats more an intent to "improve" something but f****** up drastically overcomplicating everything in the process Listnook has been extremely clear, this isnt an improvement its a drastic change. Its not about improving the site, its about overhauling it into a sudo facebook clone
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[deleted] Jun 21, 2018 +10
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cdude Jun 21, 2018 +22
>ok team, the announcement got downvoted and every admin post is in the negatives, should we roll out this News tab feature? >We need to dynamically prioritize our time and leverage our resources to and create functional benefits that dramatically empower our user base with agile development. Our users expect a plug-and-play monolithic enhancement, supported by SaaS solutions that can enhance Internet-of-things devices to drive our ROI to reach market capitalization. >sounds good, please create a Jira ticket and ship it!
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Emperorerror Jun 21, 2018 +151
I don't think most people are particularly interested in all these new features. In addition to profiles, it seems like listnook is becoming closer and closer to more traditional social media platforms like Facebook. I really hope it doesn't go all the way.
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[deleted] Jun 22, 2018 +32
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fumbl3 Jun 22, 2018 +3
I hope so, and I don't really understand why there isn't another listnook clone or close faximille that even comes close. I know there is voat and some others, but you would think that some rich or influentual person in tech would have the ability to do it, and have he server rack space and all that to go with it to have done it by now. Its been years of users wanting to bail, but the user base here is strong, and many others (like voat) don't seem to have the capital or bandwidth/computing power/resources to really compete...
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salamanderwolf Jun 21, 2018 +88
Once again the users of Listnook were ignored and there was much rejoicing amongst ad companies buying space. Whats the point of pretending to fight for a free and open internet if you're just going to chase money over your user's concerns anyway. If you're going to be a w**** at least be a proud one.
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BroXplode Jun 22, 2018 +15
It's alright, it happens every few years. Soon we'll have the next platform. Listnook had a good run and I'm surprised it lasted this long.
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letsplayyatzee Jun 21, 2018 +10
They love having all their holes filled by their side pieces while telling their main slab they still a virgin.
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Aussie_Thongs Jun 22, 2018 +9
'Im saving myself for you dear user' - Listnook, probably
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weltallic Jun 21, 2018 +58
Listnook used to be the place to see news, until: 1. **The Orlando Pulse Nightclub Shooting.** News of the biggest LGBT massacre in US history is [buried](https://imgur.com/a/OXHD1) by the /news mods, who told people to "kill themselves". 2. **A US congressman is gunned down**. [Buried](https://imgur.com/a/cY0af) after the shooter's politics were discovered, because "one man getting shot is local news at best." Now I understand that the only news seen on listnook are stories that benefit one party's politcal agenda. All else is kept out of sight.
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[deleted] Jun 22, 2018 +5
Aye - shocked how far I had to scroll to read these. Listnook news has ZERO f****** integrity when it censors stories according the mods own bias. I remember these because I deleted my account at the time out of anger and it was a really cool, filthy username that now I can no longer use. But the point was, I wanted to just red the news, not the News mods version of News. Sigh.
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Bigred2989- Jun 22, 2018 +8
One guy claimed they had to use t_d to get info on the Orlando shooting. I remember AskListnook setup a megathread the next morning while the news mods were muting everyone who messaged them.
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[deleted] Jun 21, 2018 +703
these features are unpopular. why not fix the myriad of broken features instead of adding new ones hardly, if anyone, asked for? edit: i want to state I received none of your responses in my inbox
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ProbablyPostingNaked Jun 21, 2018 +142
Because they are the steps for becoming the next big Social Media platform. listnook wants to get them Facebook numbers, data pools & ad revenue. They don't care if their old users aren't happy if they are getting millions of new users that don't mind. Edit: Looks like they are even trying to control the narrative in this thread. Whether sorted by Suggested or Top or Best this comment thread is being pushed down even though it is the most upvoted.
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ardoin Jun 21, 2018 +50
They do this for r/announcement posts on the front page algorithm too. This was number 16 on my frontpage despite having literally negative karma.
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peekaayfire Jun 21, 2018 +225
Facebook took off trending news (for a good reason), so Listnook is seizing the opportunity to fill that vacuum (for a bad reason). Blind profit chasing with disregard to consequence
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Beard_of_Valor Jun 21, 2018 +13
Money. Also, there are diminishing returns for perfection. Getting from "it works" to "its flawless" is inefficient in it development because you could release functional products or features in the same time. But mostly this should provide a new, coveted ad base that is in hot demand. Some money is rubles.
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SunpraiserPR Jun 21, 2018 +43
Exactly. I had no problem viewing news here in Listnook before. I browse the news subs I specifically subscribed to. Why use resources for something that wasn't broken?
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Watchful1 Jun 21, 2018 +10
Look at the top comment on the alpha post they link in the OP. It's obvious they don't listen to feedback anymore.
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DrizztDourden951 Jun 21, 2018 +304
It may not be needed or wanted by the users, but think of how much the admins can sell this out to advertisers! They could make so much money!
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Noother12 Jun 21, 2018 +130
"We've developed push notifications for our propaganda subs and are selling it as unbiased news. SHOW US THE MONEEEEYYY" -spez probably
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0xym0r0n Jun 21, 2018 +165
They must innovate. It is imperative! You know the old saying, "If it ain't broke, f*** with it until it is."
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araxhiel Jun 22, 2018 +50
Spotify, is that you?
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lyinggrump Jun 21, 2018 +50
Extra Extra! Listnook staff takes a perfectly good product and fucks it up because they need to keep themselves busy.
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[deleted] Jun 21, 2018 +11
Because people tend to subscribe to things they want, not things that bring more money to Listnook, inc. ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
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Lucid-Crow Jun 21, 2018 +201
The voting mechanic of listnook makes it a terrible source of news. You just get outlandish headlines that get up voted by people that don't read the article. Stick to memes, pictures, and jokes.
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[deleted] Jun 21, 2018 +79
Bring back upvote/downvote counts. Removal of that has only strengthened the echo Chambers.
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BoringPersonAMA Jun 21, 2018 +25
But then they can't easily manipulate content to push narratives and ads
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Specken_zee_Doitch Jun 21, 2018 +171
Yeah about that. Announcements should come *before* you throw the product out into the wind. Not interested btw, it's a superfluous feature and you're morphing into a website I *don't* really want to visit based on the direction you're going.
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[deleted] Jun 21, 2018 +30
I only browse listnook on my listnook is fun app. I unsubbed from literally every single default sub, and only go to about 15 niche sublistnooks. It's so much nicer than seeing "LIBTARD TRAIN EXPLOSION LOOK WHAT MY GIRLFRIEND MADE I LOST 5O LBS BY NOT EATING FOR 6 MONTHS SCIENTISTS DISCOVERED A SCROTAL CANCER CURE EXCEPT GUESS WHAT THEY DIDN'T " every single day.
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connorp04 Jun 21, 2018 +9
To be honest listnook has always had a news element to it but why does it need a whole tab for it?
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[deleted] Jun 21, 2018 +60
I am just going to put it here I dont like it, much like i dont like how the news app spam you with “news” on things you dont care about, like the royal wedding
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ocarina_21 Jun 22, 2018 +6
Yes. The **Entire F****** Point** of Listnook is that you choose the sort of content you want to see from the communities you want providing it. I want weird ass German memes and Canadian Football, Sea Shanties, and Game of Thrones. Not "news" about American politics and whatever nonsense the powers that bee want to push.
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[deleted] Jun 21, 2018 +26
You should proooooobaby listen to the downvotes. Abandon the sinking ship that is trying to aggregate news. Facebook tried, and since you’re so intent on being Facebook in your redesign, maybe you should follow their lead.
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sandersmit23 Jun 21, 2018 +69
Because of demographics (mostly very young people) listnook has an unbalanced spread of politcal views. Whilst this is perfectly fine and natural, we wouldn't want this new feature to become a circlejerk. How will you make sure the news stays diverse and exposes the user to different views? I'd be a shame if it becomes the same as r/politics where only one perspective gets upvoted.
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Subaudible91 Jun 21, 2018 +83
Oh, so now Listnook, and by proxy Condé Nast, need another curated news feed to promote to people that in their newly-targeted demographic frequently don’t shop around for news sources? Yeah, there’s no way that won’t be manipulated or turn into an utter shitshow. Get out of here with this c***.
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mherr77m Jun 21, 2018 +186
Since the news is so important, does this come with more oversight from admins of poor moderation of certain large news sublistnooks? Specifically r/news which seems to have unwritten and ever changing rules for permanent bans.
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Nekoronomicon Jun 21, 2018 +86
Unwritten rules for banning people, selective enforcement, unwritten rules for what counts as spam, an unannounced blacklist that even the /r/news mods either can't or won't tell anyone the criteria to be on...
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twominitsturkish Jun 21, 2018 +60
I brought up their shitty, unaccountable ban practices over a year ago, and wouldn't you know it! I got banned :( I've messaged the mods of r/news multiple times to ask that the ban be rescinded, but I've yet to even hear back from them. Front Page of the Internet my ass.
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mherr77m Jun 21, 2018 +19
Same thing happened to me just recently. I pointed out how they were sitting on important news in the moderation queue, they muted me. So I said something about it in the article when they finally put it though, instantly banned. Then when I tried to fight it with the moderators, they said I need to learn how to speak to people (even though I was never rude to them), and they muted me again. I kept going until they threatened me with an "or else" which I assumed meant to contact the admins to ban me. So I contacted them instead showing all the places they were breaking the moderation guidelines. Of course the admins didn't care.
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Nekoronomicon Jun 21, 2018 +41
Oh, fun fact, they automatically remove comments containing "the mods". I haven't fully probed to see what other things get removed.
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Nekoronomicon Jun 21, 2018 +11
Some of those actions are reasonable. Obviously spam domains, vitriolic slurs, stuff like that. They quietly remove every single post and comment from new users in that sub. Which again would be fine if they'd said something about it, or hit you with an automod message like plenty of other subs to to keep spam down. But they do it silently. That's not even a Listnook thing, that's /r/news specifically. It's way too small and way to opaque of a mod team for a sublistnook like that.
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wsdmskr Jun 21, 2018 +13
Yep, I got banned for telling a troll in r/news to F off. Turns out to he was a buddy of one of the mods and so *I* got banned. Two years later figured I'd ask to he reinstated, hoping that cooler heads had risen to the surface in the time being. Nope, got a message saying I was a troll, and then I was muted.
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EditingAndLayout Jun 21, 2018 +54
Two years ago when the Pulse shooting happened here in Orlando, r/news mods actively deleted and censored any post related to the tragedy for hours. People were looking for information on loved ones, blood donation, and nearest hospitals, and couldn't find anything on Listnook about the shooting at all outside of r/Orlando. Including r/news and their terrible history of moderation in anything related to this project is an absolutely terrible idea.
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SilentNick3 Jun 21, 2018 +37
Yep. Had to go to f****** /r/AskListnook for actual news coverage. FFS it's number 5 on the all time top posts.
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Kusibu Jun 21, 2018 +25
It's kind of weird that AskListnook is far and away the most consistent bastion of sanity on the entire site.
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mherr77m Jun 21, 2018 +8
I remember watching that, and it was really sad because it was such an obvious and fixable case of over moderation. I understand wanting to minimize spamming of certain info, but the way they went about it and then banning people was just ridiculous.
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CCCmonster Jun 21, 2018 +12
This is awful. I can't unsubscribe from specific subs that feed this tab. You just have general +/- attributes. If you're going to force feed news from subs without the ability to deselect sources - you need to take away permaban capability out of those subs moderators toolkit. It's past time to auto-enable max sentencing guidelines - if something is so outrageous that it is lifetime ban worthy then boot the account overall.
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Dumebuggy Jun 21, 2018 +54
Can I turn it off? The news tab is useless to me and frankly I find it a nuisance because I accidentally swipe over to it quite a bit.
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FigNewtonium Jun 21, 2018 +21
I’ve had this tab for a few days now. I consider myself a casual listnookor and I can already tell I will be avoiding this tab altogether. It feels just like the kind of headlines that you’d find on the yahoo homepage.
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makeitearlgrey Jun 21, 2018 +62
Is there a way to shut this off? I'm already subbed to various news outlets, I don't need some secondary tab, it's kinda annoying to have it there.
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peekaayfire Jun 21, 2018 +234
Perfect for misinformation campaigns and propaganda! I LOVE being psychologically manipulated by news feeds with no transparency, and I've learned NOTHING from the past two years. Thanks spez!
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TexasThrowDown Jun 21, 2018 +73
Sorry, spez couldn't hear you over the mountains of cash being paid to keep his fingers in his ears about real issues.
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JTSCTM Jun 21, 2018 +39
F*** your stupid app. Stop shoving popups in my face to get me to try it out. At this point, I refuse to use it out of spite.
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Uxish Jun 21, 2018 +10
How do I turn this feature off? I already have a list of sublistnooks that I have chosen for myself - I don’t want to have “News” constantly in my view. Additionally, I’ve always felt like being able to choose and control what information I want to subscribe to was a core part of Listnook. Why are you forcing this feature on your users? Seems very un-Listnook.
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Hold_my_Dirk Jun 21, 2018 +124
Stop pushing features that make listnook bland. Every new feature makes it more and more like Twitter and facebook and strips away what makes Listnook unique.
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[deleted] Jun 21, 2018 +213
Awesome. Can you fix the search function? I can't search for sublistnooks in the app. Right now I have to find them in browser and then open them in the app.
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MyGoodFriendJon Jun 21, 2018 +42
It's not just the app. The search function in Listnook has always been terrible. You can usually get better search results by adding 'listnook' to whatever you're searching for in Google. Hell, you probably get better search results from Ask.com than Listnook.
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SilentNick3 Jun 21, 2018 +6
Yep. Just add site:listnook.com to your Google search and never again have to deal with the embarrassingly bad listnook search function.
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theapplebits Jun 21, 2018 +13
Seriously. Or at least some acknowledgement about it/what they plan to do in the future. It's a crucial part of the website that is so bad I'd rather use Bing to find shit on Listnook.
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[deleted] Jun 21, 2018 +13
I don't understand why a sub doesn't show up even if you type out its full, exact name. Surely this is an easy way to make the search better.
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Nekoronomicon Jun 21, 2018 +45
Nobody wants this. This is just sublistnooks with extra steps but those steps rely on a search function that's been broken for years.
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MoralMidgetry Jun 21, 2018 +73
So you made a news multilistnook that you control and gave it its own tab?
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[deleted] Jun 21, 2018 +37
No but it's the *right* news that you want to see and our Anti Evil team has made sure to cater it perfectly. /s Does it bother anyone else that "Anti Evil Team" sounds like something out of (and I hate this comparison but here I go) 1984?
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RandomStranger456123 Jun 21, 2018 +23
Is there a way to turn the news tab off? I keep inadvertently swiping into it while trying to scroll.
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pupi_but Jun 21, 2018 +10
Don't use the official app, use "Listnook Is Fun"
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inimrepus Jun 21, 2018 +49
Why is US/World a segment? The US is part of the world. Why can’t I get more local news? At least by country. The US/World tab is almost entirely American news.
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inimrepus Jun 21, 2018 +17
Also is Politics only American politics? Every single story in there is labeled US POLITICS. Why not at least make a US NEWS segment and a WORLD NEWS segment.
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B-Knight Jun 21, 2018 +3
> We took care to build the News experience around communities that were already engaging with news the most. We have set guidelines for the communities that filter into the experience, as well as the post type (for example: posts titles must reflect the article title). This isn't good enough. The problem with news sources and the internet in general lately is the overwhelming amount of biased, fake or exploitative articles and posts submitted online. This ranges from political beliefs, organisations paying for headlines and covert advertising all the way to simply segregating people into two different groups with opposing opinions. How are you / how have you dealt with this issue? What features are in place that will make Listnook a trustworthy news source and not a completely biased and manipulated one? So far, from the .gif above, you've shown nothing other than a filter of sorts. This is barely a news tab but rather a "categories" tab and the implication that it is a source for news is just dangerous. Certain sublistnooks, some/one of which was/were displayed in the .gif, have natural biases that either link to or slightly modify articles that have a blatant preference in whatever it is they're reporting on. You can't guarantee the authenticity of a piece of 'news' either - who's to say that a manipulative post doesn't get a lot of attention, is shown on the News tab and then falsely feeds its browsers and lurkers information that is incorrect? Sure, the mods should be monitoring this stuff but if they link to an article and the headline is the same as the one in the Listnook post then they're not breaking any rules; now imagine that article and headline is now completely and utterly false and its objective is to push a narrative or promote discontent. You could've seriously used this as a new and effective tool that'd draw in more users whilst still going against the current trend of 'dangerous news' but instead you decided to follow other large sites such as Facebook and Twitter - both of which suffer severely from, and are the main offenders for, the exact 'dangerous news' I just mentioned. This could've become something like Elon Musk's idea called "Pravda" or the already implemented website [allsides](https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-ratings) where the authenticity and leaning of a source could be judged anonymously. Alas, this will just further contribute to the ongoing issues with segregation and political beliefs.
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greesyMNKY Jun 21, 2018 +26
This is not a news site. Stop trying to make it one or make it a social platform. You won't stop though because you are all in for the money. Thanks for being just another wheel in the cog of disinformation and ad money chasers.
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gremy0 Jun 21, 2018 +19
Oh dear, I don't think you have the reserve karma to making these types of posts /u/0perspective
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seasoningthesun Jun 22, 2018 +5
Hey, remember when r/news censored the Orlando nightclub shooting? That was last year, when there were default sublistnooks. And from what I can tell, [this](https://www.listnook.com/r/announcements/comments/8sth30/extra_extra_were_launching_a_news_tab_as_a_beta/e1244tv/) says nothing about preventing biased sublistnooks like that from being included. There’s not even a point to this tab because people can already curate news with multilistnooks.
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ljn_99 Jun 21, 2018 +10
People getting news from social media such as Twitter and Facebook has shown to only be a bad thing. Listnook will probably be equally as bad.
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tenzo13 Jun 21, 2018 +12
how do i make the news tab go away? i don’t get on listnook for news and it swipes itself to the news tab occasionally and it’s annoying.
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Falconinati Jun 21, 2018 +42
The Listnook app is trash. There are plenty of better third-party apps available on the App Store that don't suck.
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[deleted] Jun 21, 2018 +26
Yeah but that API lockdown is coming any day now and you know it
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asyiabaize Jun 21, 2018 +49
The moments I cant use my third party app for listnook is the day I never come back  ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
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Falconinati Jun 21, 2018 +11
Until that happens, you'll have to pry my phone from my cold, dead hands, then enter my iPhone password wrong enough times for iOS to wipe the phone in order to get me to delete Apollo.
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UrRacist Jun 21, 2018 +10
Great I was wondering why I couldn’t escape Donald Trump, then I realized I was on the new NEWS tab
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ahowell8 Jun 21, 2018 +6
While appreciated, not interested due to potential bias in which subs are selected (think Facebook). I am here for serendipity and prefer to find those golden nuggets in the most unbiased way through crowdsourcing.
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Jodaa_G0D Jun 21, 2018 +17
I know it's been said but I've got to echo, there are things (big and small) that we've brought to your attention that need fixing, why not direct focus towards those items?
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krusnikon Jun 21, 2018 +16
Oh that's right, people use the native listnook app on iOS.
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The-Swat-team Jun 22, 2018 +5
I think this is a bad idea because of bias. r/news may as well be CNN it's so left wing based, but that's most of the users on this site so it really won't matter to the 99%. Unless there's straight up real news with no B.S. we can all get behind
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ScientificBoinks Jun 21, 2018 +13
Listnook is all about individual communities. Not about following users, or curated content. I don't need another site telling me what news I should read (and indirectly, shouldn't read). This and other changes to Listnook concern me.
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dominator_98 Jun 21, 2018 +29
Make a setting to hide the tab, or keep news stuff out of the Popular tab please.
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thecw Jun 21, 2018 +7
I come to listnook to get away from the news. Every app is trying to suddenly shove news down my throat. It's not healthy for anyone's brains. This is a bad idea.
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[deleted] Jun 21, 2018 +9
So this is how loading speed dies, with redesign and thunderous bells and whistles...
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_OnceUponAThyme_ Jun 21, 2018 +6
Could we please have an option to turn it off? I must have been chosen as a beta tester, and I’m not super keen of having the tab there. I know others might be, so could we be able to turn it on/off?
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SandD0llar Jun 21, 2018 +10
Will there be any kind of QC or oversight to offset fake news and manipulation?
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Taedirk Jun 21, 2018 +15
Just like Facebook did! ... Wait, shit.
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letsplayyatzee Jun 21, 2018 +9
Spez is too much of a chicken shit to even answer the concerns in the thread. He knows he screwed up and can't face the backlash. Yeah, I'm saying it. Someone has to. Everything listnook was, you know, free choice to decide what you wanted to see, or hide, upvote or downvote, say what you want without ridiculous shadow banning or comments getting removed like the KGB runs the company. Aaron Swartz was probably taken out because he didn't want to follow the plan to f*** over the people like what is happening now.
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Shastamasta Jun 21, 2018 +8
Stop trying to cram the official app down our throats by making app exclusive features.
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ijee88 Jun 21, 2018 +11
no one cares about your next nail in the listnook coffin.
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trafridrodreddit Jun 21, 2018 +5
I opened up the news tab for the first time today, and the top “news” story was, “Crisis actor spotted at Texas child migrant detention center” with a picture of Melania Trump, implicating her as a Crisis Actor. I’ve already used the “news” feature more than I should have. It looks like it will be a bunch of biased, non-issue, opinion pieces dressed up as real stories. I know some other sites, like Facebook have been in on the news game, but we’ve seen how it’s mostly just fake news. I’ve used this feature once and fake news is what I’ve gotten so far. It is not a very good addition to the Listnook platform.
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dehydratedH2O Jun 21, 2018 +5
I know it's not the same teams, but you should really be focusing more on making this community less toxic. All the UI changes, updates for app that's inferior to several 3rd party apps, and useless chat and circle games you wanna put out aren't helping this community stay together, they're just rearranging the chairs on the ship.
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poisontongue Jun 21, 2018 +7
Which kind of news do we come for? Russian propaganda and to see which sublistnook you randomly decide to shut down the next day? Was a news tab the intended purpose of this site? Is this what we needed? But but Spez's integrity!
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ALittleFoxxy Jun 21, 2018 +5
Thanks, I f****** hate it. I came to Listnook because I liked its sublistnook platform, not because it wanted to be the new Facebook. Stop adding useless shit and listen to your user base
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BaronVonHoopleDoople Jun 21, 2018 +6
Are there any plans to improve the quality of moderation of the largest news sublistnooks? Far too often the moderators delete rule-abiding threads and posts that don't match their own biases. Drawing attention to these sublistnooks without the necessary improvements is just asking for Listnook to be the center of the next social media manipulation scandal.
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[deleted] Jun 21, 2018 +5
dazzling threatening plant screw subsequent file snatch icky mourn sloppy *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev/home)*
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TootsMcButts Jun 22, 2018 +3
I audibly groaned when I noticed this feature added. I don’t feel like many (if any at all users) are really excited about this. If I wanted to make news a priority on my Listnook viewing, I’d subscribe to news Listnooks or check somewhere else for it. Also, I’m on an 8 plus and don’t have particularly big hands... still hit it by mistake sometimes. One of the times I decided to look at it, and none of it remotely interested me. Agree with other sentiments expressed here that I hope it doesn’t become more Facebook-like around here. I don’t want it.
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_vOv_ Jun 21, 2018 +31
A feature noone asked for...
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Fnhatic Jun 22, 2018 +4
Literally the only place to get news stories about things that heavily impact millions of Americans, like new legislation on, say, gun control, are subs like /r/gunpolitics. Since you already banned every single gun-related sublistnook from making it to /r/popular, even /r/guns which is one of the largest, most well-moderated subs on the site, should I expect you to "curate" this News tab to stop stories damaging to your awful, evil agenda from being seen?
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[deleted] Jun 21, 2018 +25
Oh goodie, I hope it has more ads!
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[deleted] Jun 21, 2018 +7
Keep it on iOS and don't port it to Android please. This app and the website are starting to look horrendous
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[deleted] Jun 21, 2018 +2
PLEASE make this an optional tab. I come to Listnook to enjoy my niche subs at Home and then swipe right to Popular to see some memes. I DO NOT WANT news and politics on my main page. Please remove it or make it optional or I'll be switching to a 3rd party app.
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[deleted] Jun 21, 2018 +7
Oh hey look, another reason not to browse Listnook on my phone.
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[deleted] Jun 21, 2018 +4
Lmao you guys just keep coming up with absolutely shit updates that literally nobody asked for. Enjoy becoming the next Digg in a couple years.
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MasturbatoryPillow Jun 21, 2018 +5
I have to say the new redesign is unpleasant on the eyes. I don't know if it's the font or what, but it just looks clunky. Have a good day.
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[deleted] Jun 21, 2018 +11
Speaking of beta features, is anyone having trouble not seeing Listnook Chat on Desktop? I've seen like...one post about this issue. edit: I get it, nobody likes listnook chat
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kaybi_ Jun 21, 2018 +25
Probably because no one uses that.
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Papitoooo Jun 21, 2018 +12
Lol holy shit no one wants this
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dadddi Jun 21, 2018 +62
I’ve had this for the last month.
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Em_Adespoton Jun 21, 2018 +20
Me too; I've used it a bit, but it's looked an awful lot like "best" with all the small players removed.
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pewpewlefty Jun 21, 2018 +42
Same here, and I’ve been ignoring it for a month.
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Pascalwb Jun 22, 2018 +6
I would not trust Listnook with news more than Facebook. The amount of clickbaits and misinformation, circlejerks is really high lately.
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Aarkkos Jun 21, 2018 +6
Can we just hide the news , i’m honestly not interested in it could you add that feature ?
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blackdesertnewb Jun 21, 2018 +3
Launching? That annoying tab has been there for weeks. Went once. Was disappointed. Never again. Can I have an option to remove it?
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daoldmanvillage2 Jun 21, 2018 +5
I’ve had this news tab for a while now and it’s extremely annoying. While scrolling down it’ll just switch over to it randomly and I’ll have to swipe back. If I wanted “news” I’d go to google and type in “news”:
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waiting4singularity Jun 21, 2018 +6
it's kinda telling you cant downvote this anouncement below zero.
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pstkidwannabuycrypto Jun 22, 2018 +2
>analyzing articles, providing exposure to multiple perspectives, and having millions of discussions that bring context and insight to the conversation. Odd, from my experience r/worldnews tends to be a massive, systemic circlejerk of anti-Trump, anti-Russia, anti-Israel content. Users are discouraged from expressing their opinion because they don't want to get downvoted or insulted, (which is why subs such as r/The_Donald are so pervasively right-wing). If you want to make a change, get rid of the downvote feature. It will promote conversation at every point of the site and minimize segregation, which is a very real concept that very few address. If someone is insulting another user, there is a Report feature for that. The downvote feature is a catalyst for isolating specific users with specific views in specific areas of Listnook. Unless that's what you're going for, of course. That's why it's impossible to find a genuinely neutral source of news, because outlets such as CNN or Fox News tailor specifically to their respective audience, regurgitating exactly what their readers want to hear so as to not induce cognitive dissonance. This is why I enjoy Philip DeFranco; he may not be as dead-centre on the spectrum as an ideally neutral source of news would be, but he's better than anyone else.
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BroXplode Jun 22, 2018 +3
You guys have been going down hill since firing Victoria. When did you turn the ugly head to micromanaging communities? I'm assuming it was when advertisers told you they wouldn't publish because certain communities hurt their 'brand'. Get real. This is Digg 2.0. Seriously, as a dev this is the 'it' moment to create the next bit platform. Enjoy the payout. Conde Naste will just write it off as a loss in 2 years.
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RudolphMorphi Jun 21, 2018 +6
If I wanted a Facebook-like website I'd be using Facebook.
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