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LadyKT 12 hr ago +797

we’re poor. y’all ruined it

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ggroover97 12 hr ago +215

I remember seeing a post somewhere called "How to save money on streaming services" and it was literally that person cancelling every streaming service they had

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Humledurr 12 hr ago +59

If one is satisfied with 1080p quality there is plenty of sites thats 100% streamable that offers literally everything, so Netflix/Prime/Disney etc and new movies thats not even out on those sites yet, completley free without even needing to log into an account. No reason for any subscriptions.

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HeadbangingLegend 12 hr ago +27

My girlfriend has a Netflix subscription I share with her but I've been downloading things instead after getting sick of trying to watch The Phonecian Scheme on there and it wouldn't go above 720p quality no matter how long I let it buffer while another show would stream at 1080p instantly. What the f*** is the point of paying for it when you're not even getting in the quality you pay for and can't force it to play in a specific quality? So I p****** the movie instead and it looked way better.

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MuffinMatrix 10 hr ago +5

Resolution means next to nothing with streaming. They're so highly compressed, anything gained from higher resolution is gone.

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RenderedMeat 9 hr ago +1

Cable TV is even worse. Any time I’ve seen cable lately it looks like watercolor.

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wag3slav3 10 hr ago +1

Yeah, 1080p means basically nothing. You need to know codec and bit rate

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joshwal 10 hr ago +1

Was this while streaming on a computer? Pretty much every streaming service heavily limits quality when watching in a browser now.

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HeadbangingLegend 10 hr ago +1

Yup it's stupid and even downloading the Netflix app for PC didn't help. At least some other streaming services let you pick a specific quality, but all of the pirate streaming sites let you do it or just download it and get it in consistent quality.

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joshwal 9 hr ago +1

Yeah, the current Windows Store app for Netflix is just a browser window. It used to be an actual app that let you get a higher quality, but of course they killed that.

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Mrfurball_II 10 hr ago +3

Stream.io and a debrid service is all you need and you have access to 4k HDR Dolby vision/atmospheres content. You can use a TV or a pc with pass through and you have all the content you need

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Canvaverbalist 9 hr ago +1

Yeah I t****** and I'm pretty sure I have better access to high quality 4K content than people who don't. Vast majority of streaming services that you pay for have awful bitrates.

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pigeonwiggle 9 hr ago +6

honestly bud if you can't afford it, just admit that it's probably not something you need in your life. videos have never been cheaper. 30 years ago when the average house cost less than six figures, movie rentals were 4 bucks, and it was 8 to see one in theatres. today a theatre ticket runs 12 bucks (often less) (\*so long as you aren't upgrading to 3D C***-Massage LSD Seats) and you can stream entire catalogues at a whim for like 5 bucks a month -- and people STILL cry that "to have everything i'd need a dozen streaming services." imagine walking into a brick and mortar store and complaining that to walk out with everything it would cost you more money than you'll make in a lifetime. people have it SO SO SO EASY these days and yet you try and convince a friend to rent a movie for 4 dollars and they wig the f*** out because "no i'm not paying 4 dollars for a movie when i'm already paying 8 dollars for 300 movies" if you can't afford 8 bucks, you have bigger problems than "what tv shows can i afford?" Y'ALL NEED A REVOLUTION because you're so broke and yet so entitled that it's seriously rotted your minds.

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smedsterwho 9 hr ago +3

Dang, I want to disagree, but there's nothing there I disagree with. I'll just say convenience. If something is out, I want to click and play, not Google to find out that Amazon has it, but wait it's actually a bolt-on service, but wait only seasons 2-5 are available, and they leave next week. Want to watch Die Hard! Yep! We've got 2 and 4!

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pigeonwiggle 9 hr ago +1

are these real examples or made up? lol it's rare that a service doesn't have the entirety - it does happen though. weird not to have a first season of a show though if you have the second on. services that Fund new shows tend to cancel them after 2 or 3 seasons because their data has shown new viewers won't start a new show if there's "too much to get caught up on." -- and episodic content is all but dead -- that's what youtube is for.

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TheDorgesh68 9 hr ago +1

"30 years ago an average house cost less than six figures" Yes and so 30 years ago people had way more disposable income than they do today, because the cost of living is now so much higher. Housing, utilities, fuel, food, student loans etc have all gone up dramatically over that period, so why are you surprised that the first thing people c**** out on is entertainment? That's just sensible financial decision making.

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pigeonwiggle 9 hr ago +2

if the cost of everything has 3x'd - then inflation has been 300% if movies are still available to rent for 4 dollars all this time, then the cost of a movie rental is DOWN to 30% of what it used to cost (adjusting for inflation.) movies and tv are cheaper than ever and hollywood is bleeding talent because the studios are hoovering up any last bit of money as they rip off writers and performers and like, everyone in the middle. and then fans complain about hollywood dying. it's dying bc nobody has the money to pay for it. and yet - nobody has the balls to do anything about it? y'all just letting yourself keep getting poorer and poorer. the fall of the empire is so disappointingly drab.

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Demerzel69 12 hr ago +5

Not everyone wants to take the time to learn how to do that. Even though we know it's easy, most people aren't going to start streaming or downloading files from "illegal" DDL sites, or torrenting.

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Humledurr 12 hr ago +6

Yeah I get that, its really nothing complicated though. The site I use is just like Netflix but it contains every catalog of other streaming sites aswell as the newest popular torrents, no downloading needed.

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nathtendo 10 hr ago

He literally says its easy mate, use your eyes and actually read.

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Demerzel69 11 hr ago -1

>Even though we know it's easy...

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Canvaverbalist 9 hr ago +2

I'll be honest with you, we're at a point were setting up a streaming account is more complicated than pressing a single button to download illegal files. The most complicated aspect of torrenting is Googling "which bittorrent program to use" and having to read the top answer.

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LilacYak 11 hr ago +1

Okay then keep paying for streaming? The person you replied to is just offering an alternative, not telling you it’s the only way.

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Demerzel69 9 hr ago +2

lol what a weird comment and strange unrelated takeaway from my own.

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rhdkcnrj 12 hr ago -6

Uhh… can a brotha get some of those sites dmed

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Ok_Antelope_1953 11 hr ago +2

there's a sub with the most obvious name regarding this topic

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rhdkcnrj 10 hr ago -2

Sorry I didn’t know this thing that you already knew, appreciate you downvoting me for that mortal sin I committed. Sorry again

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Ok_Antelope_1953 10 hr ago -1

i am too lazy to downvote comments on listnook. i literally don't give a f*** about listnook "karma". don't shit on strangers trying to help you. https://i.postimg.cc/FRmNWScw/Screenshot-2026-04-25-at-20-23-27-Ok-Antelope-1953-comments-on-Fargo-and-Alien-Earth-Creator-Noa.png

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CharlieKellyKapowski 10 hr ago +2

What am I missing? The guy just asked a question, you kinda answered it but kinda didn't, and then said that guy was shitting on you while patting yourself on the back for not being a downvoter and for helping him, which you really kinda didnt, and then you added a screenshot of the whole convo like some sort of gotcha? What is even going on here

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Ok_Antelope_1953 10 hr ago +1

> Sorry I didn’t know this thing that you already knew, appreciate you downvoting me for that mortal sin I committed. ...did you miss op's passive aggressive response to my comment? i was just trying to guide him to the right path without explicitly naming the sub because it's probably against this sub's rules. i also didn't downvote his comment, because i hardly ever downvote comments or posts.

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CharlieKellyKapowski 10 hr ago +2

I get that, but still seems like an overreaction to me. The guy asked to be DM'ed the info, you chose to help by giving him a vague answer instead, and now here we are in this weird Grumpy Fest. Let's cheer up, shake hands, and go enjoy our Saturdays, ok guys?

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wildmaiden 10 hr ago

Too lazy to downvote, but not too lazy to take a screen shot to prove you are too lazy to downvote lol

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CptNonsense 11 hr ago +5

Because it's literally against the rules because it is promoting piracy Of course this sub does nothing but b**** about Netflix and promote piracy

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Triskan 10 hr ago +1

Tbf, I'm pretty sure most of us regular lurkers of this sub who watch shows across all platforms cannot afford to subscribe to them all... which leaves only one way to engage with the art that matters to you.

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CptNonsense 10 hr ago -5

Abject lie to excuse your actions. You can just subscribe to different shit at different times and take advantage of sales and temporary trials.

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rhdkcnrj 12 hr ago +1

Idk posting publicly might be a bad idea, I get why he kept it close

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The_Mighty_Gopher 12 hr ago +13

I cancelled every single streaming service I have besides for YouTube premium this year. I know people have problems with premium but I want easy access to music and I watch YouTube almost exclusively, so to me it is worth it for now. I will sail the high seas for everything else. Companies think they can keep rising prices during a time when everyone is hurting, it's time they start feeling the hurt instead of continuing to make record profits year after year.

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katbyte 9 hr ago +2

Channels you watch also make more per you premium view then ad supported view. So there is that too

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Larrik 11 hr ago +3

YouTube ads are the absolute worst, so Premium is worth it for that reason alone.

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dreadcain 11 hr ago +6

ad block is free though

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NachoNutritious 9 hr ago +1

The vast majority of YouTuber users watch on smart TVs or through the app on their phone. Adblock doesn’t apply on any smart TV platform, and using a mobile browser for video is a dogshit experience compared to the iOS app. “jUsT uSe bRaVe bRoWsEr” only applies if you’re one of the minority of YouTube users sitting in front of your desktop machine consuming videos 12 hours a day.

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TheGummiVenusDeMilo 10 hr ago +1

I must be different because I never got into watching YouTube or Twitch streamers. Like I watch stuff on YouTube occasionally or a streamer when a new game comes out, but to watch YouTube as a substitute for television/movies seems insane to me.

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MuffinMatrix 10 hr ago -1

Theres a lot of nuance in here. A lot of people see youtube as like Twich streamers. The dumb people sitting there spouting dumb opinions, while screaming, etc. Thats there, but its not the bulk. I don't watch anything of the sort. But there is tons of great stuff on youtube that are more like traditional tv shows. Documentary style stuff is especially great. Its still not a substitute, but there actually is some great content there. Just to name a few I love: Babish (cooking) Alton Brown moved here, and he and Babish recently have some colab videos that are incredibly entertaining to watch them both. Baumgartner Restoration Technology Connections Tom Scott (whos back!) Tech Ingredients

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robotrage 10 hr ago -1

imagine not having ad block in 2026

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sugurkewbz 10 hr ago +1

Tubi has been my best friend.

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FriedCammalleri23 9 hr ago

🎶 Yo ho yo ho a Pirate’s life for me 🎶

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The_Lone_Apple 12 hr ago +78

Bingo. People have a set amount of disposable income after all the bills are paid. If the entertainment costs more than I want to spend, then I'm not buying it.

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conatreides 12 hr ago +20

Who is “y’all” lol, you think Hawley set the price of Hulu?

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Purona 12 hr ago +11

youtube has been the main way people consume content since like 2010 You would need 200 people in basically every theatre in the world 24 hours a day to reach the watch hour times that youtube has. its impossible for any paid media to reach that level of consumption.

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CptNonsense 11 hr ago +9

I mean, it's not. Because there is streaming paid media. No one has to go to a theater. Your premise is false.

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Purona 11 hr ago -1

Explain how what i said is wrong when youtube has an estimated 2 billion people watching it daily for an estimated 1.5 billion hours each day and that number has only increased with the introduction of shorts. Oh and lets not forget the existence of Tiktok, IG reels and whatever other free platform that exists

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CptNonsense 11 hr ago -1

Your premise was based on people going to a theater. Paid media is streaming just like YouTube. Your premise is false. Period.

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LilacYak 11 hr ago +2

I feel so old. I only go on YouTube to watch specific videos, instructions, music video, game walkthrough for a difficult part, unintentional ASMR, etc. I’ve never just sat down and been like “okay let’s see what’s on YouTube today…”

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pigeonwiggle 9 hr ago +1

Youtube is a f****** MONOPOLY and i'm tired of pretending it's not. you're telling me that movie trailers talk shows political commentary global news dashcams livestreams bloggers video essays self help guides exercise videos tech tips product advertisements video game walkthroughs cat videos history blogs re-enactments... BASICALLY EVERYTHING THAT CAN BE FILMED -- is all on youtube -- and what other site is comparable? ...nothing? post your shit on daily motion or vimeo and pretend it's as valid. it's a farce. not only has Alphabet/Google's Youtube GRABBED EVERY MEDIA EMPIRE by the F****** Balls, but there's absolutely Zero escape from this cyberpunk nightmare dystopia we now live in.

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sordidcandles 9 hr ago

It’s so very annoying that they want you to pay $20 a month and still have ads. I get that they need to make money too, but let’s just go back to cable if I have to pay for ten different streaming apps.

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xanchin 9 hr ago +1

haha yep

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From_Deep_Space 9 hr ago +1

Killed the golden goose

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umbananas 9 hr ago +1

No. It’s not just because people are poor. Many people would rather watch random a minute long meaningless c*** than things with an actual story.

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fentown 12 hr ago -9

And 94% of Hollywood are children of Hollywood stars with less than a shred of the family member's talent or some remedial young adult with the relatability of a bar stool.

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Grouchy_Air_9651 12 hr ago +5

Sir, this discussion is about Wendy’s

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Sumeriandawn 11 hr ago +2

Okay, Elon

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cloud_t 12 hr ago +83

Those 5 ads I just watched have a thing to say about "free"...

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Defiant-Economics-73 11 hr ago +18

I didn’t realize people had the patience to not get YouTube without ads. I can do Hulu with ads but no way YouTube

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r3rg54 11 hr ago +6

I mostly watch on my computer with adblock.

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Much-Gur233 9 hr ago +5

I lived through satellite television. Commercials were constant and longer than the amount of show you got to see most of the time. YouTube is a cakewalk.

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jetlightbeam 9 hr ago

Here's how it worked for me when I was a kid: A 3.5 minute commercial break, a 10-12 minute segment of tv, a 3.5 minute comerical break, a 10-12 minute segment of TV then repeat. This was a cycle, it was more or less constant, the shows cut and edited to accommodate this and it could be predicted by the casual watcher. Then when I was on YouTube in the early-mid 20s: An ad at the beginning, unskippable for the first 30 or 60 seconds. Then an ad after 5 minutes of content, then another after 3, then another after 8. And then just for good measure one 2 minutes before the end of the video. It was a lot, it was random, and worse of all the creators couldn't determine exactly when an ad would happen so it would cut people off mid sentence. This is unpredictable, disruptive, and annoying to the average consumer. The idea that ads were somehow worse on tv when you can't be on any random website without whatever you're looking at being literally surrounded by ads is a bit laughable. But maybe its changed, I got premium when I decided to become a smosh fan again.

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xstrike0 10 hr ago +2

Yep, ads got so bad on YouTube in the last year I finally broke down and got premium.

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Conscious-Quarter423 9 hr ago

you are paying for premium? you can literally get Brave or an ad blocker

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maestroxjay 9 hr ago

Is that possible on the YouTube app for TVs?

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xstrike0 9 hr ago +1

Wife and I like to watch YouTube videos together on the Roku or the native TV app.

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Conscious-Quarter423 9 hr ago

you can get an ad blocker

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Defiant-Economics-73 9 hr ago

The adblocker I have doesn’t do videos and so many sites make me pause it. Do you recommend a good one. Old guy here

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Silver-End9570 10 hr ago -2

Depending on how you're watching it, you have no choice. If you're going through a TV or something the ads are non-avoidable.

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qtx 10 hr ago

Dude, there are so many youtube apps for your smart tv that remove ads. At least for GoogleTV there are, not sure about AppleTV, Tyzen or WebOS Hence why you should always buy a tv based on which OS they are running and not the specs of the tv.

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Unfair_Razzmatazz231 9 hr ago +1

It's still free it just has ads

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robotrage 10 hr ago +1

I honestly can't believe people use youtube without ad block? like why?

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existential_antelope 12 hr ago +98

People just read headlines and comment on that huh

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NATHAN4U007 12 hr ago +43

Yeah its not really about how expensive streaming is. Even with piracy sites, most people seem to prefer the shorter youtube content which costs not much to make over expensive studio made tv shows.

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Bluest_waters 11 hr ago +25

It's amazing how much TV content there is and it's also incredible how much of it is completely underwhelming. It just sucks to invest time and energy into a series and then ultimately it's just incredibly mid, underwhelming, it just doesn't do a lot for you. I'd rather just cruise YouTube on subjects I know I care about and will be interested even if the video quality isn't all that amazing

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Local_Anything191 11 hr ago +3

That’s why I only watch shows with good ratings. And I also wait for the entire season to be out before watching. A lot of the MCU shows I haven’t watched because I let others waste their time watching them (secret invasion) and then if the ratings suck, I move on. Saves a lot of time

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apaksl 9 hr ago

I've been kind of frustrated with imdb ratings, I think series with really long runs end up with inflated ratings because the only people watching past season 4 or 5 are the die hards who are more likely to give higher ratings to that show.

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Op3rat0rr 11 hr ago

I do the same with movies. If it doesn't hit a certain RT rating I don't watch it except for rare occasion. IMDB ratings for TV shows

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TheWatersOfMars 11 hr ago +1

It's because TV is designed to waste your time. How many multi-part documentaries could've been an hour? How many 8-episode miniseries could've been a great 2.5 hour film? And that's largely because TV is so expensive to make, so it has to justify its costs by keeping you on the hook as long as possible, whereas a great YouTube deep dive can be made by a single-digit number of people max.

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Bluest_waters 11 hr ago +7

> How many multi-part documentaries could've been an hour? I hate this so much. I enjoy documentaries. I enjoy learning stuff. But they dragged these freaking documentaries out so much it's just unfreaking believable. Every point they actually make that's interesting takes like 20 minutes of screen time

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wag3slav3 10 hr ago +1

Everyone in the USA are addicted to dopamine treadmills and ultra processed food today. I weep for us as a species.

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Khal_Doggo 11 hr ago +1

People making a real and honest effort on video content on things that genuinely interest them over cynial book / game adaptations that hope the name alone is enough to drag people along for 4 seasons of truly mediocre content.

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Silver-End9570 10 hr ago +1

I think it's less about it being short (although that's definitely a factor) and more of it being that YouTube content is often more creative and has a LOT more personality than most TV or movies right now. I've been more genuinely entertained by some great, creative YouTuber's than I have with most of the movies I've seen the last few years.

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95blackz26 12 hr ago

i watch a handful of car shows on the weekend from hosts that use to have motortrend shows before that went away. for being shot by the people themselves most of the time the quality is pretty good. regular tv turned to garbage and i only watch a handful of shows from there where as regular tv use to dominate what i watched

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Bluest_waters 11 hr ago +1

These streaming services are absolutely chock full of garbage TV. So many choices, so many shows, and the vast vast majority of them are just c***. With YouTube I've got my curated algorithm and it's all stuff I'm interested in and care about. It just seems like the streaming services are always going for the most common denominator, which turns out to be dumbed down underwhelming nonsense

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SatisfactionActive86 12 hr ago +22

Last i checked there was no problem getting people to buy things, provided the product was worth the asking price.

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ChainLC 12 hr ago +50

gee maybe charging a sub on top of ads is a bad business model? these media companies went from all free public airwaves to cable, to internet, to a la carte , to streaming always focusing on maximizing profits never giving enough thought to how much it would dilute their share of the pie. Now they have instead of a handful of competitors, millions of content creators and an audience who can pick and choose what to patronize. Wouldn't surprise me if they might use their political muscle to legislate Youtube out of the game.

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Sumeriandawn 11 hr ago +15

Google is a mom-and-pop operation

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Conscious-Quarter423 9 hr ago

a mom-and-pop operation worth over trillion dollars?

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fakieTreFlip 9 hr ago +1

Pretty sure they were being sarcastic

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Fresnobing 12 hr ago +21

I dont think its about free. Its just brain slop and scrolling. People are slowly losing the patience for long form narrative art and just want quick hits or long stuff they can be minimally engaged in for their ever deteriorating attention spans. Also, Reasonable budget quality work was never going to be able to be made the way we are used to just on people paying $10 a month on a single consolidated streamer. That was never possible long term. It worked at the start of netflix only because everyone was still paying for cable. Edit: also kinda crazy to hear someone think YouTube is the david to the streamers goliath when it comes to political muscle. Its Google…

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rahga 12 hr ago +3

>That was never possible long term. It's possible. More than possible. It's just that the billionaires need to check themselves before they kill off every golden goose - and guess what? That's not going to happen. Things will only get better after the collapse.

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Fresnobing 12 hr ago +6

Okay so you think an industry can contract like 90% and spend the same amount producing the shows? Do the math lol.

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rahga 12 hr ago +2

The owners and shareholders of these companies have nobody to blame but themselves. They contracted because they invested in mergers and stock buybacks and financialization, rather than just providing supply that meets demand and paying a reasonable price for it. Hollywood, TV, and film industries have gone through rebirth before, and will eventually do it again. It's just an unnecessary waste of everybody's time, that's the problem.

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Fresnobing 12 hr ago +7

No dude I’m saying it would be that large of a contraction if we went from cable and ad spend to just $10 a month of one consolidated streamer. This is a hypothetical scenario that i am using to illustrate how the ignorance of your assertion. I dont think its that hard to follow. The original netflix that everyone pines for was never possible long term unless you were okay with only a handful of new shows every year and the industry of making series to basically die.

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rahga 10 hr ago

Oh, that's different. I was just calling out the logical end-point of an industry that's already 30% smaller when you look at production budgets, output, labor, etc. -- that's happening regardless of streaming, ad, and box office revenue. The link between revenue and cost is almost severed at this point.

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Bluest_waters 11 hr ago +1

Counterpoint: the vast majority of long form narrative on streaming services is c***.

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alexjimithing 10 hr ago +1

Charging a sub on top of ads is not only not a bad business model, is in fact one of the most profitable business models of all time in cable television.

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kazh_9742 10 hr ago +1

I can sit through some commercials or ads but I I want to dig into a setting and like eight episodes with years long delays are going to make me tune out even if I'm not trying to.

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FosterBlueBar 10 hr ago

I'm never getting Amazon Prime video again since I have to pay to watch ads, I collect blu rays so I can pay to not watch ads

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fakieTreFlip 9 hr ago

> gee maybe charging a sub on top of ads is a bad business model? It was the default business model for decades, across multiple types of media, and it worked very well. The idea of no ads at all in a paid product/service is relatively new.

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Newtimelinepls 12 hr ago +1

Anytime someone says this is ruined for us. I always watch to see what they do next. This is like the precursor to fuckery. Won't someone take care of this problem for me.......

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BagOfFerrets34 12 hr ago +36

If YouTube’s his biggest competition, maybe stop acting like every episode is a limited-time luxury item. One reasonably priced, ad-light “TV pass” would go a long way.

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conatreides 12 hr ago +29

You think Hawley set the price of Hulu?

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riedmae 12 hr ago -2

You think that's what this comment is suggesting?

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conatreides 12 hr ago -3

Yes lmao the guy I responded to literally said the solution is a “as light tv pass” hahaha

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vinearthur 11 hr ago +4

instructions unclear, gonna repeat the same close up of robot girl's lips while she charms and talks to the xenomorph for 10 more minutes

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Whargod 11 hr ago +8

I dunno, I've really been turned off YouTube lately and hardly watch it anymore. The barrage of ads every 4 minutes or so is just too much. And some of them, unless you hit skip, go on forever. Pretty sure they're just AI generated slop with no end. So I've basically just shut it off, it's not worth my time anymore.

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PunyParker826 10 hr ago

Definitely check out the wonderful world of uBlock Origin, my friend! Might not help on the dedicated YouTube apps, but still.

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AiR-P00P 11 hr ago +18

Alien: Earth was butt and watching Adam Savage in his workshop is free so yeah no shit.

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Op3rat0rr 11 hr ago +1

Wow the ratings for that show is pretty mediocre

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PigHaggerty 10 hr ago

Huh. I really liked it 🤷

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Skore_Smogon 11 hr ago +5

Not like I paid to watch Alien Earth anyways.

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AnAussiebum 12 hr ago +17

Yep. I watch way more YT than watch TV/streaming anymore. Same with a lot of my millenial mates. Probably even worse metrics when you look at gen Z and now gen Alpha, especially with tiktok and twitch numbers added to their YT numbers.

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Jmclay681 12 hr ago +21

Here’s the question though. What are you watching that is remotely as captivating as a good series or movie on YouTube? I have found that watching streamers or vloggers or whatever is akin to watching reality TV. I find the content of most streamers to be entirely pointless and boring unless you are trying to figure something out or are watching videos centered around a particular hobby.

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AssassinSnail33 11 hr ago +10

There's so much more on youtube than streamers and vloggers. I watch cooking videos like Tasting History, history documentaries, true crime stuff, wilderness/hiking videos, plus other stuff. Most content on youtube is garbage, but there's an essentially endless supply of videos to watch so you eventually find the channels you like. Meanwhile most content on streaming is trash as well, but it's not endless. I've already pretty much seen everything that seemed interesting to me on Hulu and Netflix, so why would I keep paying for them?

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SaltyShawarma 11 hr ago +5

I watched some dudes restore a1931 Crane engine yesterday. It was awesome. I didn't even mechanic. I really enjoy watching farmers like blackbirdcoop. I learn a lot.

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logos__ 11 hr ago +3

> What are you watching that is remotely as captivating as a good series or movie on YouTube? A lot of things. Styropyro for electricity and lasers, michaelreeves for crazy robots, Nilered for chemistry. I watched a whole series of hour+ videos of a guy literally picking up every single item in Elden Ring. I watched a 45 minute video from summoningsalt titled "the quest to beat Jimmy Poopins" There's so much captivating long form stuff on there. Meanwhile, I think the last movie I've seen is Nosferatu, and I went to watch that in the theatres.

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Jmclay681 10 hr ago +4

I’m not shitting on YouTube or your preferences, but you’re kind of making my point for me. Watching tutorials on video games sounds like the most boring thing I could possibly watch lol. And the others are videos you watch as hobbies that are similar to the science channel or How It’s Made. It’s just modern reality TV. This is just my opinion, but there’s nothing on YouTube that can hold a candle to something like One Battle After Another or The Sopranos. I’d rather watch something that has production value, writing, structure, cinematography, etc. I use YouTube regularly, it’s just not something I would ever exclusively use. It has the ability to be incredibly informative just like the internet, but like anything else it gets over saturated with nonsense designed for views and dopamine. Also, f*** being a slave to your algorithm. YouTube is literally designed to keep you on the platform for as long as possible, it doesn’t care if the videos are good for your mental health or not, engagement is all it cares about.

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mdavis360 12 hr ago +2

Agreed. Just because it’s “free” doesn’t mean it’s worthwhile. It’s all just shallow garbage.

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TheWatersOfMars 11 hr ago +2

Meanwhile, we're all sitting here for free on Listnook instead of watching Lawrence of Arabia or taking a nice walk. Humans are hardwired to go for c****, lazy, short-term rewards.

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foxfoxal 10 hr ago +2

Lmao streamers and vblogger are like 1% of youtube content you cannot be serious.

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thearchenemy 9 hr ago +1

I don’t think the audiences for Fargo and Mr. Beast videos has a lot of overlap, if I’m being honest.

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BoxOfBlades 10 hr ago +5

YouTube isn't free, it's the most ad-infested media congregate on the internet. It's only free if you don't value your time.

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fakieTreFlip 9 hr ago +1

Skipping ads on youtube is practically trivial at this point, you just need a little know-how.

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Cha0tic_Engine 9 hr ago +1

Or... use adblocker. There's also addon to skip the adds that the content makers make, like all the Raycons, but I don't think people should use those, since the content makers deserve the money, youtube and it's overlords not so much.

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SmartAleckComedian 11 hr ago +6

Well, maybe if Alien Earth wasn't garbage, people would watch it.

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sureal42 12 hr ago +7

Maybe it's because most TV today is shit... Spinoff of a spinoff of a spinoff Reboot... Second reboot... Reboot that's not a reboot...

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Skavau 11 hr ago

What TV do you like?

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WhiskeyFeathers 12 hr ago +2

Yea the constant rising cost of these dumb subscriptions is really annoying and has made me unsubscribe from everything but Spotify and Amazon because with Amazon at lease prime has other benefits. HBOMax and Hulu both raised prices at the same time and Netflix has gotten out of hand. F*** em all, I won’t watch tv as much

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LavishnessMission584 12 hr ago +3

Alien Earth was Rings of Power levels of IP slop. Do better before trying to blame youtube

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conatreides 12 hr ago +5

Not what he did, maybe read an article instead of yelling at a click bait headline.

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Jackbuddy78 12 hr ago

I wasn't the biggest fan but Alien Earth is very much a unique vision and not the generic mess that Rings of Power is.

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HazyMirror 10 hr ago

At least Alien Earth had original ideas. Rings of Power failed to adapt the source material correctly. That's probably my biggest gripe! Tolkien wrote it all out for ya Amazon! Just adapt it!

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jimboyoyoyo 11 hr ago +2

multiple issues with modern film and TV: long form series stretched to meet some mandatory runtime leads to a lot of filler and treading water similar issue with films, not every story needs to be 150+ minutes modern writers are much more interested in injecting perspectives and deconstructing tropes and appealing to a broad audience to the point where lots of characters and films have a sameness that undermines must see feeling digital filmmaking has gotten worse in many ways as brain drain and spreading the talent pool thin compounds with the fact that traditional filmmaking actually sold the audience on the illusion of props and lighting and carpentry and camera tricks to convey the impossible, especially with finite resources like film. when everything can be shot infinitely and compiled to utter perfection it leads to nothing feeling impactful, even when the effects have far greater fidelity a lack of sincerity, writers/ directors for hire with little passion for the project beyond a payday, franchising everything, lots of compounding issues resulting in films with lots of plot (this happens then this happens then this happens) with very little story or character sometimes, to be frank, id rather watch the sincere effort of a regular dude with some minimal tech go and catch a cool fish and be excited about it, then the 15th time someone lovelessly takes a 40 year old franchise for a walk around the park.

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nickooze 10 hr ago +2

Maybe my Gen X ass is old (b.1977), but I never got/understood watching YouTube as one of your main forms of streaming.

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Adventurous-Sign-234 9 hr ago

Wah wah wah

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Crafty_Mastodon320 9 hr ago +1

Youtube is garbage even with premium..... if I hear smash that like button and ding the bell for notifications one more time ........ imma choke myself as being the nearest youtuber to me.

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gldoorii 11 hr ago +1

Is he the one doing Far Cry that said gamers skip all the dramatic cutscenes cause we don't care about that?

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oopsydazys 10 hr ago -2

Yes, and he's right because most people do skip cutscenes. As someone who doesn't... most of them aren't worth watching anyway. Video game writing has improved from where it used to be, but it's still generally garbage-tier. He's going to do with Far Cry what he did with Fargo most likely - a story with similar themes, perhaps nods to iconic bits from the games, but an original story that stands on its own.

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Vega10000 11 hr ago +1

Yeah Youtube is my TV now. Haven't had cable or terrestrial TV in years.

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danielrobertcampbell 11 hr ago +1

I mean, yeah. Welcome to the same realization everyone else had 10 years ago. No wonder Hollywood is dying if they are THIS behind the times.

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ApolloX-2 11 hr ago +1

Me and my friend playing Uno is also your competition. Y’all’s stuff is too pricey

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jhguth 11 hr ago +1

youtube premium is the last subscription service i would cancel

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Hugh_Jampton 12 hr ago -3

Maybe making shows that aren't steaming piles of horseshit like Alien Earth would attract more people to pay for the service

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guiltyofnothing 12 hr ago

Weird. I thought the show was good.

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Jackbuddy78 12 hr ago

I only really like Legion Season 1 from him, then season 2 was complete nonsense.

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TimeTimeTickingAway 12 hr ago -1

His recent comments about the Far Cry and games in general make me worried about his attempt at adapting them It was skenthing to the effect of ‘people just play for the gameplay and skip cutscenes and story so I’ll just find my own spin on it’. Especially problematic when anyone with a passing knowledge of the Far Cry franchise knows that one of it’s trademark are the strong villains

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AnonismsPlight 12 hr ago -5

Also in many cases they're better written.

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stalkerzzzz 12 hr ago

Definitely better written than Alien Earth.

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greennurse61 12 hr ago -5

My drunk friend’s YT drunk cooking videos have a better dialog than Alien:Earth.

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Sumeriandawn 11 hr ago

No

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ImOldGregg_77 12 hr ago

Youtube isnt free, you either subscribe or you pay by being subjected to advertising.

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Muad-_-Dib 12 hr ago +1

Or you install ad blockers.

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Aaaaaaandyy 12 hr ago +1

It’s free in a sense that it doesn’t cost you any money.

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COINS_THAT_SUNK_TOO 11 hr ago

Make better things.

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Wonderful_Fox_7959 12 hr ago -1

I love YouTube and I even pay for pro. I’m a father of two young children and it’s impossible to dive into a new series. YouTube fills that hole

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Greatsnes 12 hr ago

I just stopped watching tv lol. Easy solution!

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ilovebeaker 11 hr ago

I mean, are there tv shows just talking about books? Because that's what I'm watching on YouTube.

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CptNonsense 11 hr ago +1

Everyone is like "Why isn't every show on Netflix 'How It's Made' or 'reality tv about books'". Like that's a real suggestion

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ontarious 11 hr ago

Tough shit

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GreyBeardEng 11 hr ago

Part of that is a culture war, we put phones in the hands of an entire generation of kids and taught them to get gratification in constant and small amounts, never letting them understand what boredom is. The great experiment

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BRLY 11 hr ago

Then make some free shit to steal my eyes back.

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You_are_the_Castle 11 hr ago

Write better TV shows

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AerieWorth4747 12 hr ago -1

All I subscribe to is Amazon, because it’s also free shipping and free Grub Hub, and I rarely watch it. Mainly Reacher and The Boys and that’s it. I definitely wouldn’t subscribe to it if it was just a video service. I also subscribe to YouTube Premium because the ads on regular YouTube are insane, and because it comes with YouTube Music. I feel the YouTube subscription is very worth it. I spend 90% of my time watching either youtube or patreon reactors. I have tons of shows on my Plex server and the only current show I even care about which I can’t get is Family Guy. I just find it so hard to care about 8 episode shows with 2 years off between seasons. And that’s for shows I love. I have such little interest in new television and I used to be a huge collector. I don’t know the answer. All I know is, the value is not there for me to watch broadcast or cable tv, with the insane ads, which I haven’t had for almost a decade, or most of the streaming services, which even aren’t that compelling with the ad free tiers. I’ve just been taught not to care to make the investment in new shows because they offer such little return. And it’s all so expensive. Plus YouTube has something none of the streamers has, and that’s the ability to discover a new interest and then go down rabbit holes. Over and over. Netflix just isn’t the same. It may have shows based on an interest but somehow it’s different in a boring, more curated way. Youtube is more freedom somehow. It feels like when you fire up YouTube you know you’ll find something interesting but when you fire up Netflix you just scroll and scroll shows that are like shovelware. Maybe I just don’t give a shit about what Netflix executives think is popular.

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Applesburg14 12 hr ago -2

No shit. It's almost like war, famine and pedophilia are all difficult to deal with. Sometimes I like things that are free and fun.

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conatreides 12 hr ago

I love all of you getting mad when he is literally saying the same thing as you.

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somekindofdruiddude 12 hr ago -2

I pay for YouTube, so maybe it isn’t the price. I loved “Legion” (first season only), “Fargo” was OK, and I couldn’t make it through two episodes of “Alien Earth”. I pay for YouTube because I hate ads, and to see passionate people with niche areas of interest share their passion. Their excitement resonates with me, even if I don’t share their areas of interest.

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writersontop 11 hr ago -1

If Alien Earth was better people would watch it

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sillygoopman 11 hr ago -1

Maybe make an alien show that isnt absolute dogshite then we'll talk

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lpjayy12 10 hr ago -1

It's really a lot of better talent on YouTube. I find myself watching short films on yt more than anything.

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xonesss 12 hr ago

No shit

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xvilo 12 hr ago

The biggest thing is the distribution/how accessible it is, of the content. Lets take From, new season started and while it’s available on HBO Max (yeah that’s still how it’s called here), the new season itself is not.

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riedmae 12 hr ago

Yeah!! When everything is an expensive subscription, YouTube will ALWAYS win.

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Possible-Till618 11 hr ago

people on YouTube have to try infinitely harder than TV producers to develop a platform and make content that is appealing to the public. it isn’t behind a pay wall, AND the ads (if you don’t use ad block) aren’t 2 minutes long.

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