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Announcements May 24, 2018 at 5:33 PM

Fear is the path to the dark side… Introducing NIGHT MODE

Posted by Whuuu

Are you a [creature\-of\-the\-night](https://g.listnookmedia.com/mYsQDS32Xl88TqfhUaPuxi49JBVpyh95K-vF99dzkzM.gif?fm=mp4&mp4-fragmented=false&s=7ca6eddcc86b1599bd8f17917a2dccd3) type of person? A straight\-up vampire? Or just a listnookor that wants to browse in night mode? Then you’ll be happy to hear: Night Mode has \(finally\) landed so you can read Listnook without searing your retinas \(we heard it’s a thing\). We want to give you guys more choice in how you browse new Listnook, and Night Mode has been a top feature request in the r/redesign community, so a few months ago we set out to build it. ...Annnnd now it’s been awhile since we first announced Night Mode was coming. Turns out creating and implementing a color system to incorporate a new theme is tough. But our design and engineering teams were undaunted: dive under the hood of the Design & Engineering effort to build Night Mode on the [blog](https://listnookblog.com/2018/05/24/night-mode-is-finally-here/). To start browsing Listnook in darkness, click on your username in the upper right hand corner, and then toggle it on. If you're on old Listnook, you can visit [http://new.listnook.com/](http://new.listnook.com/) to try out Night Mode. If you enjoy it, you can opt for it to be your default experience by selecting Opt In under Night Mode. We hope you’ll enjoy this retina\-saving feature as much as we do. But seriously jokes aside, we are continuously trying to improve Listnook for y'all and we'll post more soon. Let us know your thoughts on Night Mode. Next week we’ll be providing an update about accessibility in the Redesign. While you wait, [check out our other recent updates](https://www.listnook.com/r/redesign/search?q=flair%3Achangelog&restrict_sr=on&sort=new)
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ShaneH7646 May 24, 2018 +3761
In the guide to turn it on, you never actually said where it is to turn it on... \(Its under profile FYI\) Also, When can I expect purple mode?
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Whuuu May 24, 2018 +1559
Oops, thanks for calling that out! I updated the post. Purple mode would be cool. We've tossed the idea around of make a whole library for themes.
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mayhempk1 May 25, 2018 +258
This is cool but I think there should be a dark mode for lurkers who just want to browse the website but don't want to have to register an account to not be blinded.
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Whuuu May 25, 2018 +174
We are in the process of providing the Night Mode experience for logged out users as well. Look forward for the same Night Mode toggle to be available when when logged out as well.
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Crazykid253 May 25, 2018 +34
Is this the same thing as night theme? I'm not understanding what night mode is. I clicked on the links that people posted but it look just like night theme
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icefall5 May 25, 2018 +24
Sites use those terms interchangeably, they mean the same thing. Night mode turns on a dark theme.
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The-Gaming-Alien May 25, 2018 +21
It's interesting how your name seems to randomly change from red for admin to blue for OP. Is your name only red when you're at work and thus speaking officially?
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Fuckoffholyfuck May 25, 2018 +19
They can choose what color it is. Red is speaking on behalf of listnook, blue is just them talking.
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +638
> and Night Mode has been a top feature request in the r/redesign community The TOP request has been to KILL the redesign but you guys don't want to hear that.
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BasketBallsack May 25, 2018 +17
It's funny. They spend all this time on the redesign that everyone hates on. Instead of listening to the users concerns/requests/etc. they decide to ignore and move forward with the redesign and add new "features" that have been around forever (RES). What is the point? It's like, hey if we just ignore the negative feedback, it will just go away. What?
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sparks88 May 24, 2018 +40
Wow, you weren't kidding. Pretty much everything in top is hate for the redesign.
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EvaUnit01 May 24, 2018 +48
What the heck is the Q & A sort and why is it so *conveniently* ignoring the top rated comments saying the redesign is shit? (which it is)
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thirdegree May 25, 2018 +24
Q&A puts the a comments OP has replied to at the top. Listnook refuses to reply, so it's not at the top
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[deleted] May 25, 2018 +19
I was not being sarcastic ...the majority hate the redesign because it makes the site Facebook. It's ridiculously dumb and will make Listnook go the way of the nearly extinct Digg.
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ocbaker May 24, 2018 +69
Well duh they ain't gonna kill it now. They're going to develop it out further until more people hopefully like it. That's pretty much the whole process of development, especially when you're userbase is the kind that goes "DELET THIS" instead of "I'd much rather if features x,y,z behaved like a,b,c". listnook as a design is getting dated anyway so it's only natural to want to improve that, but given listnook natural ability to create circles of jerks that's not going to be straightforward or an easy road to travel. EDIT: To be clear, I don't like the redesign either and have stuck to the original. I'm no better than anyone else here.
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +78
The problem is that they aren't redesigning listnook to not make it look like shit, it's because they want a simpler look that will attract advertisements and users ruining the site as a whole.
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +167
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PitchforkAssistant May 24, 2018 +81
[Here you go.](https://i.imgur.com/YBc59Pq.gifv)
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brunnor May 24, 2018 +72
Why does my listnook look nothing like that gif at all?
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PitchforkAssistant May 24, 2018 +38
You are likely on the old listnook. If you wish to temporarily check out the new listnook, go to [new.listnook.com](https://new.listnook.com).
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aiij May 24, 2018 +62
I tried that. It's just a 302 redirect back to https://www.listnook.com/ and still looks nothing like that gif.
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Daxtreme May 24, 2018 +20
Me neither, never saw listnook looking anywhere close to that.
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +15
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Hispanic_Gorilla_2 May 24, 2018 +23
New listnook looks like dogshit on mobile.
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saltysamon May 24, 2018 +42
> We've tossed the idea around of make a whole library for themes. Could you do one that looks like the twitter dark theme [where instead of dark gery it's dark blue?](https://i.imgur.com/1EmKrzx.jpg)
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +7
They should just let people offer their own themes and then you'll get every theme you want.
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Damn-hell-ass-king May 25, 2018 +48
> If you're on old Listnook, you can visit http://new.listnook.com/ to try out Night Mode. Nah, I'm fine. Stop calling it old Listnook and just call it classic and leave me the f*** alone, please.
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GameDoesntStop May 25, 2018 +6
You guys need a UX team or something... we had to read multiple comments and use a user-created "visual guide" just to figure out how to turn on this new feature. That's terrible.
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_ButterCat May 24, 2018 +22
Please make orange with black mode. It looks like lava and listnook's darkest secrets had a baby
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Kithsander May 24, 2018 +8
Can't seem to find it. Is this only available to "New Listnook"? Cause I'm not going to use that. I'm sure everyone's seen enough of the posts to know that new listnook looks like hot garbage being passed through the colon of a meth junkie straight into your mouth.
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StopTop May 24, 2018 +10
Neither can I, even with the visual guide. My listnook UI never changed and even when I go to new.listnook.com it goes straight to the normal site I've always seen...
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garrisonc May 24, 2018 +5
I'm in the same boat, and I think it's because RES automatically spares us the horror of the "new" listnook site. Jesus Christ, I used a different browser to confirm, and what an unholy mess "new" listnook is! Whoever decided to OK that should be fired, flogged, and fragged.
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studyinamerica May 24, 2018 +817
Does it auto change with the time, as seen on mobile?
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shiruken May 24, 2018 +302
How does this affect sublistnook styling on the Redesign? Is there a separate theme for Night mode?
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Fuelled_By_Coffee May 24, 2018 +135
Nice. Now if you could just add keyboard shortcuts that would be super.
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paganpan May 24, 2018 +358
In r/redesign there has been a lot of displeasure with how hard it is to tell promoted content and actual content apart. There was even [a response](https://www.listnook.com/r/redesign/comments/8324e6/i_understand_listnook_makes_money_off_of/dvep37o/?context=3) from the Listnook team saying this was a known issue and they were working on making it easier to distinguish. With the dark theme it is now even harder to tell the two apart. In the light theme, the word "Promoted" is the only blue text on the page so I guess you can kinda spot it and skim past, but in Night Mode "Promoted" is white, the same color as the sublistnook name. This makes it impossible to tell the difference between an ad and a post unless I read the sublistnook name first, which no one does. Now any idiot can see this is all intentional, but it's pretty shitty for the developers to mislead the users saying that the bad UI is in the process of being fixed when in reality they are rolling out features that move it further in the other direction. I am someone who used to whitelist [listnook.com](https://listnook.com) in my adblocker; you can bet I won't be doing that any more. Or maybe *someday* I'll just stop going to Listnook all together if they care about their users so little. Listnook really seems to be **Digg**ing it's own grave these days.
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RightEejit May 25, 2018 +32
> This was a known issue Translation: this was completely intentional and now we're covering our tracks.
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FreeSpeechWarrior May 25, 2018 +8
u/spez recently spoke on motivations behind the redesign: > Ads. In-feed ads are what advertisers want to buy. Yes, they're in-feed, which I know isn't popular, but it also means our top post is an organic post now instead of an ad. We will continue to iterate on the styling. https://www.listnook.com/r/TheoryOfListnook/comments/8k809v/why_did_they_change_the_listnook_to_new_listnook/dz7we95/?context=3 But few people have noticed this because r/theoryoflistnook has censored the post.
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +1132
I mean, I've had night mode with RES for literally ever, but that's cool, I suppose.
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +116
It's always been on the ListnookIsFun app, too. Good job admins, you're only 6 years or so late.
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heizzzman May 25, 2018 +22
And Alien Blue, which I still use by the way, completely add free. They can pry it from my cold, dead hands, I will never switch!
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Genghis_John May 25, 2018 +7
I read this comment in Night Mode on Alien Blue. We are friends now, right?
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +398
Oh my God I just checked out the redesign for the first time and it is God awful. I'm sorry, I know a lot of you put a lot of effort into this, but it's bad and you seem to be either oblivious or ambivalent to the opinions of the more vocal portion of your user base. The front page has: * literally > 50% dead space (WTF?) * less than three visible links (aka content, like 2.1 links) * two log in / sign up areas, one in the left sidebar and one at the top (why do you need 2?) * A single add taking up ~33% of the space you're actually using for content. * Default sub is now /r/popular? Why? Maybe there's a good rationale here and I'm just ignorant. * Continuing theme here but just _so much wasted space_. It's ridiculous. The compact theme fixes that (for the most part), but is completely unreadable. Literally no color variation. * more on the compact view: * Why do I need lines between each link? Just clutter. * Why are the up/down arrows so far from one another? * Why take away the sub list at the top? I use that thing (maybe you have data showing most people don't? I could accept that.) * Infinite scroll is slow. Pre-fetch mutch? * On infinite scroll... not a fan for a site like this. Now I have a page with like 5000 items on it. * Hiding/showing the side bar is janky. The list items stutter. I'm sure I could find more to complain about, but I have to get back to life. My wife's reaction was "I thought that was Facebook". Please stop trying to be Facebook.
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Kardest May 25, 2018 +12
I hate everything about the new listnook design and wish a quick death to unnecessary change and feature creep. I use listnook as a launchpad to content. Not a place for content. Keep it simple stupid.
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MBCnerdcore May 25, 2018 +30
the default is /r/popular because that sub was designed to be /r/all minus the p*** and Trump
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-main May 25, 2018 +5
I tried the redesign because of night mode. When I clicked a link to an article, the *comments* (that's #1) popped up as an overlay on top of the rest of the page (that's #2). With those two horrific misfeatures, I noped out of the redesign and I'm not going back.
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JDGumby May 24, 2018 +741
> To start browsing Listnook in darkness, click on your username in the upper right hand corner, and then toggle it on. If you're on old Listnook, you can visit http://new.listnook.com/ to try out Night Mode. If you enjoy it, you can opt for it to be your default experience by selecting Opt In under Night Mode. Figures you'd hold Night Mode hostage on condition of using the horrible redesigned version of the site (which is so incredibly wasteful of screen space. Right now, I can look at /r/announcements and see **12** posts at once. Open it in a private window to see the new design and that goes down to **3** - 2 if I don't scroll down past the banner. It's also very laggy when scrolling, very slow to load (this thread took almost 10 seconds on my 100mbit connection!), and some idiot decided that clicking on a post from the sub to look at the comments should have it open in a pop-over of the sub, slowing everything down even further. There are probably many, many more problems that I'd spot if I could bring myself to use the damned thing for more than 2 minutes of testing) edit: Oh, gods. I just noticed that both the subs and posts are infinite loading rather than paged. That explains why it's so laggy... Why do web designers think infinite loading is preferable? It just slows everything down. :/
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Nanaki__ May 24, 2018 +48
>Why do web designers think infinite loading is preferable? It just slows everything down. :/ Its to remove the 'stopping cue' of the page end. https://foodpsychology.cornell.edu/research/bottomless-bowls-why-visual-cues-portion-size-may-influence-intake >We conducted a soup study on 54 participants at a Midwestern university. The participants were served their soup. **Half of the participants were served soup in a normal bowl**, which provided an accurate visual cue, food portion, and **half were served soup in a self–refilling bowl**, which provided a biased visual cue. The self–refilling bowls slowly and imperceptibly refilled as their contents were consumed. We measured the participants' soup intake volume, their intake estimation, their self–perceived consumption monitoring, and satiety. > We found that **the participants who were unknowingly eating from self–refilling bowls ate 73% more soup** that those eating from normal bowls. However, **the participants eating from soup–refilling did not believe they consumed more nor did they perceive themselves as more sated than those eating from normal bowls.** This effect remained regardless of BMI. We conclude that the amount of food on a plate or in a bowl provides a visual cue or consumption norm that can influence how much one expects to consume and how much one eventually consumes. When there was an accurate visual cue as to how much one had eaten, people stopped eating at an earlier point than when there was a biased visual cue of what they had eaten. Since people use their eyes to count calories and not their stomachs, the use of smaller bowls is an important tool for guiding consumption habits. Understanding the importance of having salient, accurate visual cues can play an important role in the prevention of unintentional overeating.
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nirreskeya May 24, 2018 +58
I have been idly wondering if I was the only one experiencing the extreme lagginess, because I had a hard time believing the new version would even get released if it were widespread. I thought it might have something to do with my environment but never got further into investigating because https://old.listnook.com/ was easier. I wonder how long that will stick around.
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likeafox May 24, 2018 +14
> Right now, I can look at > r/announcements > and see > 12 > posts at once. Open it in a private window to see the new design and that goes down to > 3 > - 2 if I don't scroll down past the banner. There's a view mode switch at the top of the redesign, you can choose a Classic or Compact view that has a post density similar or equivalent to the Old Site.
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newredditsucks May 24, 2018 +15
Close, but why do the vote buttons and ratings get the focus? Upvote count's font size is the same as the post title. [Comparison here.](https://i.imgur.com/4GpgMxr.jpg)
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +159
Ok, Nightmode finally made the redesign readable. All the lines made the text just blur together in my mind and I could not seem to focus on one link text vs the next making the whole experience extremely unpleasant.
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V2Blast May 24, 2018 +106
Excellent... Though it's not really a great option until you guys fix things so that night mode doesn't just ignore all sublistnook customizations. We should at least be able to set the same customization options as on "day mode" for the night mode; it could be something like an alternate stylesheet that's only applied when the user is using night mode.
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +369
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DeepHorse May 24, 2018 +55
>pay attention to your customers. Lol, you’ve got it all wrong. The *advertisers* are the customers. Us users? We’re the product.
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DoogTheMushroom May 25, 2018 +9
They need to not have the card layout the default, that wouldn't stop all the bitching since people hate change, but I alleviate about 90% of it.
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Mattallica May 24, 2018 +37
>I think I'll keep the version that let's me collapse comments. You can collapse comments on the new site by clicking the vertical line beneath the voting arrows.
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Lulzorr May 25, 2018 +10
I wonder how anyone was supposed to figure that out without having been told.
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SalvadorZombie May 24, 2018 +241
How about saving a ton of manhours, as well as your website, and simply ending development of the terrible new design. Your members don't want it. They're going to block everything you try to shove down their throats as soon as they're able to. And the second you make that new design mandatory, your company dies as everyone abandons the site. Someone will make a new, similar website, and everyone will move there while you wonder what went wrong. Stop that before it happens. No one wants the redesign. Just stop it.
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +1764
> Turns out creating and implementing a color system to incorporate a new theme is tough. Yeah not really, when you use actual proper HTML classes for your common colors instead of every element being a detached, autogenerated mess like in the redesign, it's actually pretty easy to incorporate a new theme.
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +494
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TradinPieces May 24, 2018 +137
Well, they are a small indie company
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DiachronicShear May 24, 2018 +153
https://i.imgur.com/RmVqQ3l.jpg
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zissou149 May 24, 2018 +24
First of off, its not true, and second off, I don't want to answer questions about that. Lets focus on the redesign people.
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deusset May 24, 2018 +116
It's literally why we have stylesheets in the first place.
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[deleted] May 25, 2018 +31
this is literally web design 101 level stuff.
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CiD7707 May 24, 2018 +166
Changing a web page's background color is such a basic god damn task. I learned how to do it in 2005 in a basic HS programming class...
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +187
While I'd agree that is a simple task a new color scheme isn't as simple as just changing a value or two in html/css. It takes at least 3
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madman24k May 24, 2018 +23
Also, at places like Listnook, it's surely that the actual work only takes 5% of the time while the other 95% of the time is bureaucracy and politics between the owners and the designers.
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +7
Very true. I do dev work for large corporations consulting and any actual code changes takes me less than an hour or two with few exceptions and the rest is waiting for requirements to be agreed upon and passed to my desk
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JojenCopyPaste May 25, 2018 +4
And then "we need to go agile. Well not agile per se but we need to get code out faster." "Well in the year long project one week is me actually coding. Perhaps you could look into streamlining the capex or design pieces?" "Nope, we're focusing on coding to push more value to the users faster" "..."
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h0nest_Bender May 24, 2018 +92
TONY STARK CREATED DARK MODE IN A CAVE! WITH A BOX OF HTML SCRAPS!
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Captain_Nipples May 25, 2018 +6
Anyone hiring? I can do td bgcolors and fonts as well.. I only need 200k a year. Or 20 bucks. Whatever's easier For 400k I'll even make a dropdown menu where you can select 8 different colors. From #000000 to #FFFFFF
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TheJeck May 24, 2018 +513
If Listnook admins actually bothered to read the comments on this thread they'd immediately abandon the car crash new Listnook design. It's a shame that because they've put so much work into it, they're way too stubborn to see that it's a steaming pile of dog shit that is neither wanted nor needed. LISTEN TO YOUR USERS! EDIT: Typo
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +208
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ocarina_21 May 24, 2018 +18
And it's unfortunate. I always had listnook on my adblock whitelist because they were unobtrusive and it helped a site I liked stay afloat.
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carbonated_turtle May 24, 2018 +56
It seems like listnook is going the way of Youtube. They're both on top of the world right now, but the people in charge of them are doing everything they can to push people to another site. I almost wish VOAT had taken off so I could just abandon listnook and make the switch.
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Montaron87 May 24, 2018 +17
I was talking to someone about the redesign and how they probably never did a focus group study among current users of the site. His reply was that it's probably exactly the point, they don't want the current users to stay, they want the Facebook users to join. Every new thing they've implemented seems geared towards the Facebook crowd.
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Cronus6 May 24, 2018 +19
Dude, it's *very* clear they don't want "us" here anymore. We don't make them the kind of money they want.
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DiachronicShear May 24, 2018 +14
Lol not even the comments on this thread, there are two sublistnooks filled with pretty much just complaints, and two posts on the front page yesterday were gifs pointing out just how much the redesign sucks. It's reached full-on meme status. I expect clickbaity articles to start appearing in my Google Feed about it any day now.
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aethyrium May 24, 2018 +6
That's the way of doing business in San Fransisco. Criticism is harassment, and users are seen as not worth listening to because they're not as smart as the genius devs in silicon valley. There's definitely a history of arrogance from businesses in that area that has taken hold as tradition. It's like an ivory tower among the huddled masses of common users.
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Rosco_the_Dude May 24, 2018 +53
They are listening. To anyone who doesn't criticize them.
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TheAngelW May 24, 2018 +7
They are listening to their investors who think that the ad revenue per user ratio is unacceptable.
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +197
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Deimorz May 24, 2018 +231
As great as night mode is, GDPR comes into effect in less than 24 hours and listnook still hasn't updated their privacy policy or terms to account for it. Most other major sites did this weeks or months ago, what's happening with listnook's? When I saw an /r/announcements post I was sure that's what it would be about, not a theme for the redesign.
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Dobypeti May 24, 2018 +35
They probably want to do shit [like this](https://np.listnook.com/r/stopadvertising/comments/87d1sq/psa_listnook_has_enhanced_their_tracking_they_now/) and [this](https://np.listnook.com/r/privacy/comments/8fjpse/listnookcom_posts_obfuscated_data_to_its_root_domain/) as long as they can...
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Shastamasta May 24, 2018 +45
> If you're on old Listnook, you can visit http://new.listnook.com/ You had me until this part. Already tried it and it's just not for me. I have trouble finding what I want to read and when I do find something... it's like the posts and comments don't really flow in a way that is enjoyable to read. Also - 'best' is completely fubared now. Can we revisit that please? I can't believe I am actually getting bored on listnook.
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +764
>you can visit http://new.listnook.com/ to try out Night Mode. If you enjoy it, you can opt for it to be your default experience by selecting Opt In under Night Mode. Yeah, nope
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fauxedo May 24, 2018 +220
Especially since Night Mode makes [opting in unreadable.](https://imgur.com/a/hw4tGnO)
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Tommy2255 May 25, 2018 +7
I've got a simple browser extension for inverting the color on web pages, and that works way better than the new Night Mode. As a professional web designer, what possible excuse could you have for failing to accomplish something within a narrow use case that can be done automatically by a simple general purpose tool?
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trevorpinzon May 24, 2018 +129
Lol what a f****** dumpster fire.
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +311
No offense intended but you're disconnected from your audience. A lot of people a) want night mode and b) DON'T want the new design. But feedback like this gets lost in any service that gets too big to care.
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enginears May 24, 2018 +75
literally every comment in here is against it. But some how i think they still wont listen..
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MY-HARD-BOILED-EGGS May 24, 2018 +33
Nobody wants it, but just wait for all of listnook's wonderful contrarians to come out of the woodwork and vehemently defend this shitty new design.
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jamesno26 May 24, 2018 +1165
**Reads title** Finally, something done right! > 3. Check the box for "use the redesign as my default experience" Never mind, I’ve been bamboozled.
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NostalgiaSchmaltz May 24, 2018 +122
Just get Listnook Enhancement Suite extension. It has had Night Mode for a while already.
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Desembler May 24, 2018 +72
literally for *years*
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skilless May 24, 2018 +48
I tried the new design for several days. Damn "old listnook" is much nicer. I'm pretty sure the designers on this weren't listnook users.
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CritikillNick May 24, 2018 +214
GJ guys you created night mode for the shitty redesign nobody wants! The rest of us will continuing using RES and warning you that the redesign looks like complete shit
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TimeStopper6776 May 24, 2018 +168
The intent is to provide users with a sense of pride and accomplishment for using our new format. As for old Listnook, that isn't coming back, and we aren't updating it. Tl;dr: They still like the redesign and won't listen to us
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dare2smile May 24, 2018 +69
Will the redesign be the only "side" of listnook to get any updates in the future? Or will nightmode eventually be brought on the old^coughbettercough design?
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Pandemic21 May 25, 2018 +8
If you install the RES extension it has a nightmode option (it has for a long time), which can be used on the old site.
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puffadda May 24, 2018 +4548
>Check the box for “use the redesign as my default experience” Yeah that's gonna be a no from me dawg
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JakJakAttacks May 24, 2018 +200
Anyone who cared about night mode has used RES for years anyways. As an aside... does anyone genuinely like the new design? I haven't heard anyone who actually thinks it's an upgrade. It's objectively bloating the experience and makes it look worse. Which is impressive since Listnook is has a pretty basic look as it is.
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FocusForASecond May 24, 2018 +75
Imagine your redesign being such shit that you have to announce something as simple as “night mode” as a new feature only available on New Listnook™.
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whoeve May 24, 2018 +154
Bloating the experience = more room for ads.
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MrMotoso May 24, 2018 +10
Exactly. Gotta implement those facebook-esque auto playing ad videos.
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +834
It is pretty whack that these guys made a night mode for the new design, but ignored the old design for years. W/e, RES it is
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +320
eventually everyone will be forced into the new design and RES might not work at all. sooooo. yeah. that would suck.
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cmc May 24, 2018 +224
> eventually everyone will be forced into the new design I sure f****** hope not! My listnook hasn't changed much - I don't like the new profiles either so I kept those the same. I really hope the option to keep the old design stays.
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Ebola_Burrito May 24, 2018 +62
We can turn off the new profiles?!
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cmc May 24, 2018 +160
YUP! Go to preferences, all the way at the bottom there are beta options. Check off "View user profiles on desktop using legacy mode (by enabling this, you will view all user profiles in legacy mode)"
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ShaneH7646 May 24, 2018 +58
RES already has a WIP redesign version. they're building it along side the redesign
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FreeSpeechWarrior May 24, 2018 +392
FYI Listnook is censoring feedback about the redesign in r/redesign If you want to tell the world how you really feel without such suppression, please consider venting in r/redesignfeedback instead.
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Fuck_New_Reddit May 24, 2018 +162
Or consider venting in r/fucknewlistnook!
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +1594
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Federico216 May 24, 2018 +551
As a mobile user I thought "did I accidentally stumble on to the top of all time again, or why am I seeing years old news"
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KyloTennant May 24, 2018 +50
Yeah, lol I thought night mode was a default feature because I've used RES for so long
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Wes___Mantooth May 25, 2018 +5
>But our design and engineering teams were undaunted: dive under the hood of the Design & Engineering effort to build Night Mode on the blog. Top men
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-popgoes May 24, 2018 +1739
"Introducing Night Mode!" :) "Check the box to use the redesign as your default experience" :(
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ANAL_PLUNDERING May 24, 2018 +219
The redesign is so damn distracting and busy. If they ever take away legacy mode it could be the final nudge out the door for a lot of us longtime users. Not that they are that concerned. For every loyal user they lose, they gain a dozen from the Instagrams and Pinterests of the web.
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BlatantConservative May 24, 2018 +79
I will definitely leave if they do that simply because I mainly browse on mobile on safari on desktop view, and that is a hundred percent unusable on the redesign, and the mobile site sucks. And I don't wanna download an app[.](https://imgur.com/cXA7XxW) Please, just leave me my text based Listnook that makes it look like I could be doing something tangentially work related while at work, new listnook is too obviously social media.
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mmarkklar May 24, 2018 +13
> I mainly browse on mobile on safari on desktop view I do the same, but unfortunately there aren’t many of us anymore. Most people want flashy apps or mobile sites. I miss the days when a selling point of mobile Safari was the ability to load desktop sites, now everyone just wants to force you to use apps.
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ANAL_PLUNDERING May 24, 2018 +10
It was so cool to see the earliest iPhone commercials showing off *the real internet* then in a couple years everything was made for mobile viewing, bringing us back to the mobile web they were avoiding.
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mintsponge May 24, 2018 +506
In case you didn’t know, RES already has night mode for old Listnook anyway.
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BoringPersonAMA May 24, 2018 +444
And Listnook Is Fun for android is leagues better than any official shit listnook has put out.
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +105
Bacon Reader has always been my favorite because it loads like lightning.
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +58
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-popgoes May 24, 2018 +49
Yeah, been using that. Would still be nice to have it integrated into the classic, real Listnook tho
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Raggedy-Man May 24, 2018 +126
They could at least *try* and be more sneaky in forcing the redesign down our throat.
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ScottFromScotland May 24, 2018 +119
https://i.imgur.com/IgMyx.gif
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FreeSpeechWarrior May 24, 2018 +91
https://i.imgur.com/8zf0o4C.gifv
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Helyos96 May 24, 2018 +473
Soo.. Night mode only works with the new crappy design ? I'll stay with the old design and a browser extension for night mode.
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +17
Thats what im doing right now, using Stylish and using a black theme, love it.
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EricKingCantona May 24, 2018 +85
Tbf, everything you guys have rolled out the last 4 or 5 years has been a complete failure so I don't understand why you keep adding useless shit. The entire design team should be fired. Scrap the redesign and /u/spez and start over. Thanks!
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MoonStache May 24, 2018 +718
>Check the box for “use the redesign as my default experience” Lol that's going to be a no
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twitch1982 May 24, 2018 +18
Man, this is like back in the day when everyone used AIM, and we all had Power Tools to give it the features we actually wanted like logging and tabs. Took them like 5 years to start implementing those features and then they got replaced by google. Anyway, RES has had this ability for 5 years and so has pretty much every 3rd party app. Not really sure how it takes a Design and Engineering team to change the default CSS background color from white to black, and the font from black to white.
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conalfisher May 24, 2018 +100
Tips the kind about technology patient tomorrow the yesterday games mindful today clean net the quick science lazy!
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The80sWereCool May 24, 2018 +125
Way to catch up to RES which has offered a night mode for as long as I can remember! And they don't even force me to use a shitty new design for it!
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Zerak-Tul May 24, 2018 +50
It's a little embarrassing really. A grand announcement to declare that you've finally caught up and added a feature that a happy amateur has been supporting for 5 years or however much. And it only works with the much-beloved redesign, oof. For those out of the loop, just go grab the [Listnook Enhancement Suite](https://listnookenhancementsuite.com/) and enjoy not just night mode but a massively improved browsing experience.
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +436
How about you implement it on old listnook? I guess i will stay with the listnook i like and RES.
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +28
I am guessing they get more ad revenue with new listnook, so this is a way to convince more users to go there. This will likely be the trend for new features-- implemented on new listnook only.
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +90
The new listnook f****** sucks, I'm trying to figure out how to force a rule in my browser to correct any "listnook.com" address to old.listnook so I can enjoy my time over here.
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +69
You can just uncheck "Use the redesign as my default experience" in preferences and old listnook becomes listnook.com.
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +26
Oh god, I love you so much right now. I put the app on my phone so I could watch stuff on /r/documentaries while I was at the gym and it shunted the redesign to my browser experience somehow. It's been f****** terrible.
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ragnarokrobo May 24, 2018 +48
Please add an option to disable and remove the listnook chat feature as well.
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Sporktrooper May 24, 2018 +15
There are ways to block it. uBlock is the simplest. Here: https://www.listnook.com/r/beta/comments/886ph9/please_provide_a_way_to_disable_listnook_chat/dwium5n/
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stopg1b May 24, 2018 +123
listnook is going to die because of these new changes. i've been a member for 8 years and the site is never been as bad. removing "controversial" sublistnooks, new design, new algorithm, bigger ads and the "best page"
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sinrakin May 24, 2018 +13
Just to jump on the "Redesign is c***" train going on here, I'm going to repost my question that got removed from /r/redesign (tbf, they removed it for not having any 'actionable feedback', but the action I want is the redesign removed): Is Listnook only good because of the users and sublistnook idea? Serious question. I don't use the official Listnook app since it looks terrible, and the redesign looks awful, too. Their search feature is, by their own admission, substandard. Nothing that has officially been their doing is good. The exception is the creation of sublistnooks, the ability of users to create and moderate their own sub forums. Listnook has kind of ruined that by the recent redesign and screwing with the layout and CSS (/r/ProCSS plug), but it's still an easy way to make a place for a community. This isn't a 'change is bad, I don't like new layouts' kind of thing, I'm upset that the communities I go to are hampered by this redesign and don't have the tools to do all the cool things they could before. And I don't like the new layout haha. But seriously, why the downgrades? New users don't want another Facebook. They want something other than Facebook for social media, so why are we getting the Facebook-lite look? What group of people are happy with the redesign changes as a whole?
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eganist May 24, 2018 +240
What's the ballpark date for when you guys plan on killing old listnook?
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fuck_you_gami May 24, 2018 +38
It began many moons ago, with the advent of "user profiles", Listnook chat, requiring an email on sign-up, banning non-advertiser-friendly sublistnooks, etc. Face it; the dream is over. She's dead, Jim. That's all, folks. So long, and thanks for all the fish. I'm just a hermit crab waiting to come across a new shell.
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Tacodogz May 24, 2018 +124
>What's the ballpark date for when you guys plan on killing listnook? FTFY
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ThaddeusJP May 24, 2018 +37
Listnook: We've decided to drink paint! Users: Please dont. Listnook: we made it so you can drink paint too! Users: We really dont want that. Listnook: Opt in for night time paint drinking. Users:................................... Please stop.
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keplar May 24, 2018 +38
Add me to the pile of people who would like to use Night Mode, but will not do so because of the requirement to use the new design. Not for all the tea in China will I use that abomination.
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Melarosee May 24, 2018 +108
Your night mode can't hide the poor design choices of the "new" listnook layout
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reseph May 24, 2018 +19
It looks like post templates are being ignored when Night Mode is enabled?
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Da_Apple_Jacks May 24, 2018 +374
Can you guys please stop the redesign and not ruin listnook?
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +56
How do they not see all this backlash and think, maybe we shouldn’t go through with this? Do you want digg 2.0? This is how you get digg 2.0
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +21
The day they fully go through with this trash redesign and remove 'old' Listnook is the day I'll start looking at other similar websites to migrate to
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MilhouseJr May 24, 2018 +115
> 3\. Check the box for “use the redesign as my default experience” No.
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wearer_of_boxers May 24, 2018 +569
Does it come in non-shitty old listnook?
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InformationHorder May 24, 2018 +187
Of course not, why would they offer it in old listnook if they can use this as a tool to force new listnook on you?
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Spddracer May 24, 2018 +84
RES still works for me on Old Listnook, and it has a night mode.
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +33
Over time this will change. Youtube used to allow screen-closed audio playback on cell phones. Then they prohibited it, but third party youtube apps could still do it. Then they issued take down notices and removed all those apps from the store. It's a gradual cinching down of the rules to force you to do what they want (for advertiser money).
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DoctorWaluigiTime May 24, 2018 +10
RES is a third party extension developed separately from Listnook. Unless Listnook becomes a closed-source app that doesn't output HTML/JS/CSS to a browser, nothing can stop RES from continuing development and doing what they do.
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Jtharix May 24, 2018 +58
There’s always a "bad" thing behind listnook’s announcements. Read well.
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +36
I just wish this new layout didn't frequently log me out and then not let me log back in so I have to use old.listnook.com
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blahskill May 24, 2018 +14
Listnook Enhancement Suite (RES), defaults to old listnook! I will not stop using it, I do not need another social media site.
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +9
I have RES but it still sent me to the new one. I turned it off in the settings. The redesign is awful and full of bugs.
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DannyDawg May 24, 2018 +14
I believe you can go to setting and simply opt out of the new layout and avoid all that
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colin8696908 May 24, 2018 +22
Can't help but link this [post](https://www.listnook.com/r/funny/comments/8lje2s/admins_getting_feedback_on_the_new_listnook_redesign/) the admin's removed yesterday. In all seriousness though it's a nice feature and I appreciate it.
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +101
“use the redesign as my default experience” nice try
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Isactuallyafuzzybear May 24, 2018 +5
Is there going to be a way to turn off the modal view? I want to be able to click on a listnook thread and have it *actually* take me to the thread instead of showing a pop-up version of it. Or at least a way to turn off infinite scroll?
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spinjump May 24, 2018 +162
Got stuck at step 3. I ain't checkin that box.
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j6sh May 24, 2018 +41
I love listnook. I really do. But please stop trying to force the new listnook on us and actually listen to us when we say WE HATE IT. Night mode is not going to make us flock to new listnook like pigeons to crumbs. Actually hear us out. NEW LISTNOOK STINKS.
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +51
But the redesign sucks though :( Why nothing for old Listnook after all these years?
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[deleted] May 25, 2018 +5
Can you guys just drop the redesign idea and hire the person who made res (or buy it off them) and just implement it site-wide? Like, night mode has been a thing with it for years now among plenty of other very welcome changes that make listnook very enjoyable to use.
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OmegaBlackZero May 24, 2018 +63
I'd love to use night mode, but not in your new dog shit viewing mode. Seriously, it's c***.
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RollUpTheRimJob May 24, 2018 +173
New layout sucks and you should feel bad
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[deleted] May 24, 2018 +17
I like a darker view: but I am an old man, fearful of change, and will not (can not, if I'm being honest) switch to the new design.
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Sporktrooper May 24, 2018 +8
If you do want a night mode without switching to the redesign, try [RES](https://listnookenhancementsuite.com/). I've been using it for years, it's impossible for me to use the site without it these days.
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SirBuckeye May 24, 2018 +6
How are you going to handle Post Flair customizations with night mode? Currently, it looks like night mode completely overrides the customizations. Seems really bad if they will only be visible on day mode.
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StarStealingScholar May 24, 2018 +48
Have to use a garbage layout that looks like a trashy meme site feed? No thanks.
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Person2_ May 24, 2018 +20
> Redesign Well at least you helped out those who can’t figure out how to disable it yet.
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