Why they risk their lifes if they are already in a safe and rich country?
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Winterbliss2 days ago
+151
No free hotel and free healthcare in France.
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whiteb89172 days ago
+103
France doesnt have the handouts UK does.
Given FREE accommodation, free Health care, free money every Fortnight.
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bbbbbbbbbblah1 day ago
+27
enforcement of relevant laws is also very lax. Too many small employers who don't do their legally mandated identity checks and the rise of the gig economy delivery apps provides a new angle as legal residents "rent" their accounts to those who aren't.
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faux_italian1 day ago
-2
Have you actually looked into what social safety nets France offers? What do you know about RSA?
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TheMoves1 day ago
+1
I thought RSA required you to work like 20 hours a week or something, no?
Please stop and read.
*You may be able to get housing and money to support you and your family while you’re waiting to find out if you’ll be given asylum.
This also means your children will go to a free state school and you may get free healthcare from the National Health Service (NHS).
You can still apply for short-term support if you’ve been refused asylum and are preparing to leave the UK.*
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Tsupernami1 day ago
-16
What? Where does it say anything about refused asylum in your quote and still getting it?
Besides, so if we had more resources to tackle the claims then people could be deported quickly.
Furthermore, can you live off £50 a week? I know I can't. They can't work, can't go anywhere.
Or are they living off the grid as is the next perpetrated lie. Because then how are they getting benefits...
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Motor-Leading-8581 day ago
+17
Click the link and read it.
I provided you the evidence that you were wrong. If you do not read the *UK GOVERNMENTS OWN WEBSITE* on what they give asylum seekers, then there is no helping you.
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Tsupernami1 day ago
-1
I'm getting confused now, literally doesn't say anything about getting refused asylum and still getting benefits until you leave. Are you referring to those refused but still eligible? Cause that's different criteria
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Motor-Leading-8581 day ago
+15
Read the link!!! There are several pages. Read them all.
You said it was false that they get free money, accommodation, and healthcare.
That link shows it is 100% true. Read it all.
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bbbbbbbbbblah1 day ago
+3
You could make a decent go of living off £50 a week when you literally have no bills - that is on top of their accommodation and other living costs being covered
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Sea_Negotiation_18711 day ago
-12
You know there's a difference between someone being wrong and lying, right?
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Motor-Leading-8581 day ago
+13
I'd assume they were wrong if they just said it was false.
Saying it is *provably false* makes out that they can prove it.
They cannot, so that must be a lie.
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woodzopwns1 day ago
-1
More likely to be proficient in English and therefore have the ability to work illegally
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Lintson2 days ago
-23
The Anglosphere is less hostile to illegal immigrants than Europe is
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yterais2 days ago
+16
isn't that whole Europe currently?
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Maleficent-Being-2382 days ago
+23
Should be like this everywhere honestly, unless you are top of your class
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yterais2 days ago
-9
I really thought British people are more xenophobic, they literally did Brexit because they didn't want immigrants to "take their jobs"
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JASHIKO_2 days ago
+5
Don't confuse the people for the government.
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OldLondon2 days ago
-4
A very slim minority of racists and idiots voted for Brexit. Only 52% of the people who voted, and that’s not 52% of the country. Everyone accepts that Brexit was and is a catastrophic failure that has produced zero benefits and just made all our lives harder. So please, we are not xenophobic at all, we’re a country built on immigration. But yeah we have racists like everyone else .
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dahungryfrog2 days ago
+4
I’m not pro Brexit but we have been able to sanction Russia and provide aid to Ukraine much easier than Europeans due to Orban’s veto
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PelayoEnjoyer1 day ago
We are not a country built on immigration at all lmao. Stop rolling out Amercanisms where they don't apply.
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OldLondon1 day ago
+1
Don’t be a tit, we’re made up of people from all over the world. Normans, Vikings, Romans etc
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PelayoEnjoyer1 day ago
Normans = invaders
Vikings = invaders
Romans = invaders, that barely left a trace of their DNA here.
Angles? Saxons? Also invaders.
Windrush? [It's a myth that they were invited here to rebuild](https://www.durham.ac.uk/departments/academic/english-studies/news/unravelling-the-windrush-myth-the-confidential-government-communications-that-reveal-authorities-did-not-want-caribbean-migrants-to-come-to-britain/)
This country was not "built on immigration", it's a sub-85 argument to attempt.
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OldLondon1 day ago
+1
Immigrants / invaders. - jeez enjoy your evening being a pedant. Fact is there is very little indigenous pure British isles DNA left - certainly in England. I can’t be bothered educating you.
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randorolian1 day ago
+32
Economic migrants die in dangerous, stupid, unnecessary journey from one of world’s richest nations because they fancied the freebies in the country across the water better.
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Wide-Pop60501 day ago
+22
This was an immigration thing!?! From France to the UK? That seems nuts
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shriand1 day ago
+20
I first thought it was an athletics/swimming thing.
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Specialist_Dark_36681 day ago
+34
The article is intentionally leaving out the fact that they're illegal immigrants seeking economic benefits.
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babyguyman1 day ago
+6
The article called it a migrant crossing, which seems a fair description.
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UnUsernameRandom1 day ago
+58
I honestly stopped feeling any compassion for illegal immigration some time ago.
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Atreyes1 day ago
+53
I feel all compassion if they are fleeing genuine conflict and danger, but once they reach a safe country then just keep going in order to get the best benefits they can they stop becoming refugees in my mind.
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Specialist_Dark_36681 day ago
+40
The majority are not fleeing conflict and danger. They are economic migrants fleeing countries impoverished and frozen in time, often by religion. They don't perceive that their lack of democracy, secularism or free markets caused their country's decline, they dont see that religious extremists were a primary contributor to their countries' misfortune and poverty, and so they don't blame their religion. They bring that ideology to the West, purely based on economic incentives with no intention of assimilating and no love for western ideals. And liberal politicians who hate the west welcome them with open arms.
The article from BBC didn't even once mention that they were illegal immigrants. That's how bad the denial is.
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UnUsernameRandom1 day ago
-11
If they are fleeing conflict, then that's asylum seekers/refugees. Though there are quite a few that overstayed and became illegal immigrants.
So still, no sympathy for illegal immigrants.
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Anteater7761 day ago
-5
I don’t really get attaching that much significance to their legal status. Like, they are just humans who want to make a living somewhere. Ok, the conflict in their country is over and they could return, but they like living where they fled to and maybe built ip an existence. I absolutely have sympathy for that and don’t want them or am ok with them being harmed just because the country they originally came from is safe to return now.
Sure, if they are sent back using the democratically established processes, I’ll accept it, but I’ll never not be sad for people who died while striving for better living conditions.
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Diarmundy1 day ago
+14
You realise they were travelling from France to England right?
Not exactly fleeing a war zone or from poverty
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Anteater7761 day ago
-6
Like I said, I understand that those people get turned back, but I’ll still have sympathy for their attempt to improve their living conditions and do not want them to die while attempting to do so.
It’s not like this is a decision those people take lightly. They know that traversing the channel is dangerous and they still take the risk. They think it’s worth it because of (hopefully from their perspective) significantly better conditions in the UK. None of us have any idea what it would be like in their situation. I think it’s the minimum to still recognize their humanity and be sad at the loss of life.
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Atreyes1 day ago
+11
This is why the UK needs to remove those incentives, stop people risking their lives to make the illegal journey.
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Anteater7761 day ago
-1
I guess then you need to abolish asylum (or support for asylum seekers) altogether then.
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Atreyes1 day ago
+6
Probably the best option, at least for 10-20 years until we have housing and NHS more under control.
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Anteater7761 day ago
Which will probably never happen because which politician will ever say that these things are under control? It would most likely be gone for good. In my opinion, the concept of asylum is a humanitarian achievement that we shouldn’t let go off lightly.
Politicians would be like, “there you go, no asylum anymore, that’ll fix housing and the NHS.”
I doubt this will meaningfully fix anything.
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UnUsernameRandom1 day ago
+6
The democratically established process is to send them back if they are illegal. Also, the process is to send them back if the conflict has ended and they haven't integrated into the country that took them in.
And most of them don't integrate. There are cultural and religious differences that make them very different from us. And those that do become a functioning part of society, I think we all welcome them with open arms. The others... there is a reason quite a few countries have had to do bans for things such as wearing face covers in public, or recently banning mass public prayer without a case to case permit, and so on.
I think we've become too lenient as a people and we are being taken advantage of. Why flee to Europe? Why not go somewhere closer, like UAE, or Egypt, or Turkey?
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H_H_F_F1 day ago
+3
I think one has to separate "while I understand that they want a better life, we need to have X immigration policy, and they shouldn't try to circumvent that" and "I don't care when people who didn't directly hurt anyone drown to death."
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Choice_Mountain5161 day ago
-6
I haven't, they are looking for a better life and deserve a safety net just as much as we do. I will never stop having empathy for people who were not as lucky as we are. We only have one shot at life.
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UnUsernameRandom1 day ago
+16
Yeah, they are looking for a better life in the UK compared to the shit one in FR. Seriously?
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Choice_Mountain5161 day ago
-6
They are allowed to be looking for a better life. OF COURSE I still see their death as a tragedy, what the heck is wrong with you all???? You should feel compassion for your fellow human being that lost a life??
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oohjam1 day ago
+3
People die all the time for stupid reasons, no one bats an eye. Same here, stupid decisions lead to stupid consequences. No one should give a f***
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UnUsernameRandom1 day ago
-5
Again, you are missing the point. Go and feel your compassion. Open some news about the kids that die every day, where they have no choice. Those are the people who you should feel some compassion. The ones that don't have a choice.
These people had a choice. They made it. They could've stopped in FR to seek asylum. They didn't. Why? Some people say because the UK can allow them to live off welfare. I'm not sure if that's the case and honestly I don't care. I'm sick of caring for some people that I will never meet in my life. All that matters is my family, my friends, and the people who affect my life positively.
So yeah, you can keep your empathy with you. I prefer them being deported if they aren't granted asylum. I don't care what happens to them if they CHOOSE not to contribute.
Key word is: **ILLEGAL** immigrants.
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Choice_Mountain5161 day ago
+3
I feel compassion for them AND the kids (and ANYONE) that die. I don't run out of empathy, and yes, it is difficult to read the news. I don't care whether they had a choice or not, making the "wrong" choice (your words, not mine) doesn't disqualify you from empathy.
Why is it so hard for people to understand that?? I don't keep my empathy for me, I share it, I don't check for arbitrary legal status before mourning loss of life, these people didn't do anything hurtful to anyone.
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mrsprophet1 day ago
+3
Don’t bother trying to argue with this person. There is a black hole where their soul should be.
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Choice_Mountain5161 day ago
+5
Thank you for your comment 🩵 it makes me feel less alone that people do get it
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ScepticalFrench1 day ago
-1
There are a few reasons why it's not so great in France :
1) it doesn't fit the "Eldorado" myth you can hear in Africa or middle East and they're likely to be as disappointed in UK as well
2) Alghouth we womehow kept that "premium" country in terms of health care, education and social services, after 5 years of centralizing the power to the figure of President with Sarkozy, 5 years of right-wing sympathising actions with Hollande and 8 years of far-liberal actions with Macron, let's be clear : it's all falling appart and we've never been so close to social collapse.
It's only holding because there are still a few generation of people that accept to sacrifice their health and private life not to give up on people. Thanks to the *fonctionnaires* and social workers in associations basically. But it won't last as the number of burned out people is climbing, and the working environment in these structures is slowly becoming hell.
3) We also suffer from xenophoblic ideology, giving path to the far-right RN in 2027, but also giving birth to more and more nazi-like scum groups acting violently. Racism, islamophobia and misoginy are all rising thanks to Sterin / Bolloré media and their money pushing nazi sympathisers such as LePen, Bardella, Zemmour, Retailleau, Ciotti and so on.
So yeah it's not that good in here. Number of millionnaires is reaching skies (3 millions of them now) but the rest of us is paying a consequences of long-term effects of privatisation and far-right ideology pretty hard. US empirialism at its finest, and our politics loooooove it so much it'll last until we have nothing to loose and burn the house... again.
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Any-Health-95271 day ago
-8
this is exactly whats wrong with the west. Suicidal empathy. Just dont watch the news if it works you up that much.
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Choice_Mountain5161 day ago
+8
Suicidal empathy? Since when are wars declared out of empathy?? LACK OF EMPATHY IS WHAT DRIVES PEOPLE TO GO TO WAR AND NEED ASYLUM.
How the heck can you find harm in empathy and not in hatred??
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killboticus891 day ago
-4
Thats a yikes from me dog. How easy it was to make you all hate.
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TheHumanGnomeProject2 days ago
+8
They wanted beans on toast and bangers n mash when they could've gotten. Croissants d'amand and fromage!
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