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mattxb 22 hr ago +139

Yep so many of the people radicalized by online propaganda would have skipped politics altogether because it was too boring.

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PeopleCallMeSimon 19 hr ago +35

Not to mention a lot of money that was previously in labor jobs got shifted to online service development where one person can hire 400 people and make a 600 billion profit. And of course the worst anti-trust enforcement in history allowing companies make movies, be an online retailer, be a software as a service provider and also make backpacks and shoes. Something that should be 5 different companies are now just one big company owned by the richest man on the planet.

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ACrask 19 hr ago +29

I’d love politics to be boring again. Not so much so I can’t pay attention, but just not be on my feed or on the tvs at the gym all the freaking time.

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BannedAccount001 17 hr ago +6

This is only part of the equation. The other, likely equal or even larger, part is that these people have always existed and are now seen by more people. While that does spread their ideals more, it also brings more awareness to an already-existing culture. For example, people have always been racist bigots. We’re just finding out that a larger part of our population agree with those views than we would have seen otherwise.

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_my_troll_account 20 hr ago +9

Maybe. But even without the internet we still would've had AM radio and Fox News.

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Kuvanet 19 hr ago +5

But only old people listened to and watched that.

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_my_troll_account 19 hr ago +12

Old people vote.

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AF2005 12 hr ago +3

Nearly three decades of soft conditioning, not to mention giving a microphone and a soapbox to the tinfoil hat crowd. There was an interesting interview with David Bowie of all people back in the late 90’s where he tried to warn us about the dangers of an unregulated internet. The link if anyone is interested https://youtu.be/8tCC9yxUIdw?si=X9iIDmhfuguz5HGk

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drewcareymoore 23 hr ago +157

And the last decade where she was a teenager. Life gets heavier later on as you have more things to keep track of.

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ignatious__reilly 23 hr ago +141

I agree with this. But I will say, life got very, very different after 9/11. That, alone, changed the world forever.

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porscheblack 21 hr ago +16

I'd amend it slightly to say there was a temporary levity to life that ended with 9/11. Shit was pretty heavy during the Great Depression, WWII, and Vietnam.

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sump_daddy 18 hr ago +3

Yeah, it was the 'shock' from our global complacency after a pretty happy late 80's and the entirety of the 90s. We thought we all dodged a bullet when 'y2k' didnt crash us into the stone age and then a year and a half later... BAM

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Jolly_Storage_329 8 hr ago +1

It was pretty heavy for a significant portion of the world in the 90s. Temporary levity in the USA doesn’t equal that being a global norm. Much like how there are places now in an overall better place in 2026 compared to the 1990s.

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Snoo_47183 17 hr ago +2

There were at least 3 genocides in the 90s alone. Talk about innocent times

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RaisinWorried3528 22 hr ago +32

Yeah, it made every single person of Middle Eastern descent a target of first world governments everywhere.

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CryptographerIll3813 22 hr ago +18

Yeah if you think any ordinary citizen of the worlds life didn’t also change after 9/11 your kidding yourself. I’m sure we’d all rather live in a world where 15 Saudi Nationals didn’t create global panic.

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sump_daddy 18 hr ago +2

\> create global panic. panic is 'im worried the bank will run out of money i should swing down and try to get mine out' you mean, reshape the entire world's posture into something FAR more authoritarian at the moment when the collapse of the soviet union could have meant a cooperative independent coalition expanding to literally every nation... instead we had an immediate retreat to 'the old order' it was a turning point for everyone on the planet, and we turned for the worse.

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ignatious__reilly 22 hr ago +16

Agree. It also led to the Patriot Act, which seriously expanded the government’s power to surveil its own citizens, eroding privacy and raising real concerns about our civil liberties and constitutional rights.

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frev_ 22 hr ago +13

I'm Pakistani & it made me one I'm not even Middle Eastern or Arab, just brown lol. Just awful really.

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Careful-Mix3054 20 hr ago +4

Pakistan can’t really claim that the US and NATO unjustly target them. Even in hindsight, the targeting was perfectly justified. In fact in hindsight Pakistan probably had the easiest given just how involved it was with terrorist organizations. There is a very strong argument that we should’ve invaded Pakistan instead of Iraq. The only reason Pakistan didn’t get invaded was that it seemed like they were complying with our demands even though we now know they were purposefully ignoring terrorist activity so they could claim ignorance and not be retaliated against. Yes we conducted operations in Pakistan. But even then there was a lot of care put into not violating their sovereignty. Even though in hindsight we could’ve ended the war much sooner had we just said f*** Pakistan. Had we conducted simultaneous invasions of both Afghanistan and Pakistan (which we had the manpower for) the war would’ve ended in December 2001 when we cornered Bin Laden at Tora Bora. However we had nothing on the Pakistan side which allowed Bin Laden to slip away and hide for the next 9 years.

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4shen_0n3 20 hr ago +3

Yeah. It was 9/11 mostly, for me.

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SouthIsland48 23 hr ago +43

Eh I've found this to be gen z's retort to the 90s since they werent alive then, or had thoughts then - but the 90s were absolutely the best decade and has yet to be topped. From politics, to culture, to tech, everything was optimistic and accessible. There were genuine comunities within small town America and the cities were cleaning up to be welcoming again. Then the dot com bubble crashed, then 9/11 happened, then the credit bubble, then the GFC, then Trump, let alone all of the toxic aspects of our lives increasingly more online and less in the real world with our family/friends/neighbors.

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beipphine 22 hr ago +13

The biggest political scandal of the 90's was weather a certain politician had sexual relations with that woman.

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Careful-Mix3054 20 hr ago +4

Even that scandal was tame compared to today. He didn’t drug her, she wasn’t trafficked, no one was underage, it was purely consensual sex between adult. He was just a boss getting some action from an intern. It only became an issue when he lied about it. Nowadays that shit wouldn’t even make the news.

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Silver_Song3692 22 hr ago +2

Cloudy days

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Vladivostokorbust 22 hr ago +14

I turned 40 at the end of 1999 - she's right.

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Gentrified_potato02 22 hr ago +4

Yeah. Everyone looks back with rosy-tinted glasses at the time before they were an adult. That’s also why there’s so many “best years of the country (50’s, 70’s, 90’s)” depending who you ask.

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SimilarLunch8359 22 hr ago +1

Yea. A lot can be said about the blast that the 90s were, but… innocence? Idk. That was just her

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VineStGuy 14 hr ago +2

We didn’t have school shootings til columbine. So yeah, innocent compared to today. I graduated in 93. Know what I never did once in school? Shooter drills. Wasn’t even a concept that something like that could happen.

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HA1LHYDRA 21 hr ago +2

90s compared to now was a god damn utopia.

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Triphin1 20 hr ago +10

Crack was also quite big in the 90s. I loved the innocence of crack. The crack epidemic was started by The US govt to fund an illegal war in Central America, Then in the late 90s we had Enron and that blew people's minds, only to be followed by 9 11. Interestingly the hiring of more FBI agents and the funding for their focus on white collar crime, that was voted on as a result of Enron, ended up paying for HLS after 9 11, which for those paying attention was like a huge red flare that clearly said, the barn doors are open and guess what happened - The financial crisis... So IMO, to paint the 90s as innocent is not quite right, maybe the 90s were the last decade of naivety

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Careful-Mix3054 20 hr ago +3

You also have to realize that the 90s was coming off the heels of a massive crime wave in the 70s and 80s. It was also before cell phones. So the amount of crime the general public was aware of was heavily curated. Most people still believed in a tough on crime approach and every Saturday night you’d see cops body slamming crack dealers on Cops before watching them chase down murders on AMW. So while yes there was still a drug epidemic people actually felt like something was being done about it. Nowadays every department is scared that the public is going to twist the smallest use of force, so they’re very careful about what they put out. It makes it look like nothing is being done to prevent crime. It also really doesn’t help that proactive policing is heavily discouraged today.

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tlollz52 21 hr ago +13

It wasn't innocent, you just knew about less

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sucglasses 19 hr ago +4

That’s what innocence is, baby

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TheGardenBlinked 21 hr ago +5

Precisely. The 90s were NOT innocent in the slightest. All sorts of horrible shit under the radar

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grahamulax 19 hr ago +5

Yup. Remember when viral shit was a trend? Make it viral! Combine that with social media, now ai and misinformation and what do we get?! Honestly? My take is the internet is the freest way to get information fast and instantly from anywhere. The flow of INFORMATION is what changes societies. Books. Newspapers. Tv. Then the internet. It’s not like the others because it connected us globally. So individuals literally had the world’s information at its fingertips, learn anything, know anything. But that’s too much power eh?! How do you tell a country you’re amazing and this is for our glory when you can read a paper across the world and realize some fucked up shit. Like CIA stuff I mean. It’s just different from the old days and saying oh man in black!!! Now? You can read about the shit we’ve done. To our own people! Now combine that with again social media and we have a tracking system on everyone, what they do and what they like, and fame became more of a currency at this time too as likes = sponsorships and ads and breakout. So the internet? Super artificial now. Shallow and surface level. With ai, something I personally love and hate, I’ve notice another new shift. Misinformation and not being able to identify what’s real. Ya know ai came out a little too fast eh? Did you guys know it LEAKED (stable diffusions image model) and that’s how it got into our hands like 3 years ago? If it didn’t I literally think that it would never have been released to the public. Under tight control and corporate. So I’m thankful it did leak, it led to people realizing how it was made, and now competition, and more open source, but that’s only for now. Once the big boys like openai google claude etc get their next stage ready we are all fucked as consumers. We needed a forever boycott a while ago. Hell, years ago. Look at our prices now. I bought 64gb ram for 211 bucks in feb and now it’s 1225 bucks. We are being starved off our own hardware forced to rent and cloud services. The economy makes no sense and the only angle is control. Not UBI, not world peace, just keeping us numbed and confused. And seriously, why arent we boycotting? People love meta that much? You need facebook? Insta? We have those leaders literally kissing trumps ring and making up numbers about how much theyll spend. Wonder if zucc is close to his 600B spending this year he said to Trump during a dinner, then off mic heard saying “was that a good number?!” Pathetic. We have no leaders but ourselves. Also yeah I also think the 90s had a bit of grime to it as well but I was too young to notice. I think my entire life has been robbed economically and socially because of elites and their meddling in our lives. We never had a chance.

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ABA477 22 hr ago +3

And almost no one was holding a phone in their hand, yet alone a smartphone

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RealSchlemiel 20 hr ago +3

The internet revealed what Americans were shielded from knowing: their horrific culpability in world history. But was innocent for Andrea

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fredjutsu 17 hr ago +3

Bro, this is such an r/USdefaultism comment from Barber. the 90s were innocent? Bosnia? Rwanda? Soviet Union collapsing? Shit was fucked for most of the world, and in large part because of what WE were doing.

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ExtraGloves 22 hr ago +4

Exactly. It’s almost like having access to everything everywhere and everyone isn’t a good thing

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theWindAtMyBack 20 hr ago +2

I think 9/11 might have had something to do with it.

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Flashy_Jello_9520 19 hr ago +2

Social media was such a mistake.

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mvallas1073 22 hr ago +2

I loved the start of the internet… was fine until 9/11 happened that was timed also around the birth of Facebook/social media. And then it became bad/toxic/propaganda machine

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axiom_glitch 1 day ago +287

Innocent for those who had the privilege to be socially isolated from the heavy stuff that was actually happening. Only difference post 90’s is that the internet and social media opened windows. While also allowing big media to camouflage their influence.

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satanssweatycheeks 19 hr ago +41

Yeah 80’s and 90’s statistic wise was some of the most violent times in America according to crime stats. Yes the internet ruined a lot instead of helping. And yes we have seen spikes in crime with people like Trump. But we still aren’t on the levels we saw in the 80’s and 90’s.

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Aggressive_Noise6426 15 hr ago +3

The crack era depending on where you lived.

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Gluverty 19 hr ago +4

We’re mostly still socially isolated from stuff, at least safely removed, but also more exposed and aware. We’re still just as safe or even safer than we were but it feels more precarious.

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Proper_Bread_2156 13 hr ago +2

True and thats not even to mention the sheer amount of culture outrage and ragebait news that is shoved in peoples faces all day long.

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DanFlashesC0up0n 12 hr ago +2

Yeah I can imagine this getting an eye roll from someone from the Balkans or Rwanda

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Ok-Walk-8040 1 day ago +291

Yeah, there was child r*** being covered up at the time by churches. There were heroin epidemics. There were race riots. There were anti-gay lynchings. But it was innocent because the TV shows were wholesome.

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KenUsimi 23 hr ago +76

Don’t forget the government’s belief that the AIDS epidemic was god’s punishment for gay people. The Bastards.

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enfuego138 19 hr ago +10

That was more the 1980s and I could go on and on about people who talk about the Reagan years as if they were so much better, too. Every decade was filled with horrors.

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KenUsimi 16 hr ago +2

Hey, I’m from the first generation to have full access to a full accounting of what you’re describing from the get go and BOY HOWDY are you not joking.

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Mongo_Straight 23 hr ago +30

Yep. It was also the decade of Ruby Ridge, OKC bombing, Waco and the Branch Davidians, the O.J. trial, the Rwandan genocide, U.S. embassy bombing in Kenya, the Heaven’s Gate cult, Atlanta Olympics bombing, Columbine, the Unabomber, etc. Lots of horrible shit happened in the decade. It’s just now we have social media and algorithms sowing division and discontent 24/7.

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Charming_Mud_9209 19 hr ago +4

It really is the social media and constant connectivity that makes it seem like the sky is falling. The 90s would be thought of as a fairly chaotic decade if we had social media. Instead, when massive events happened like the OKC bombing or the OJ trial they seemed like hit TV shows or just curious things happening elsewhere, not existential threats to humanity like everything seems to be nowadays.

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cakepanpancake 23 hr ago +11

Ruby Ridge, Waco, OKC bombing, OJ murders, etc.

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GL2U22 21 hr ago +3

Things weren’t perfect, obviously. However, most things were getting noticeably better for a lot of people. At the very least there was an idealistic outlook toward the future back then. Progress might not have been happening as fast as it could have/should have been, but we were getting there.

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spazz720 23 hr ago +20

Yeah but nobody knew about it…ignorance is bliss

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ChineseAstroturfing 21 hr ago +12

It’s not so much that people didn’t know about it. It just wasn’t something that was in your face, consuming you, non stop. The internet has created that “always on” problem.

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CorrosionImplosion 19 hr ago +5

I completely agree. It really took a turn for the worst with social media (Facebook mostly) blowing up along with obvious misinformation. I think the 90s being “innocent” is mostly because everyone had privacy and didn’t overshare on social media. Discussing politics and religion was mostly considered taboo and not a normal topic of discussion.

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enfuego138 19 hr ago +3

Everybody was watching the LA Riots. Everybody that visited NYC or LA experienced the crime. Everybody was talking about Matthew Shepard. The Persian Gulf War was on the news every day. Look at pop music at the time. Grunge rock and Gangster rap. We just remember the past with rose colored glasses.

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MrParticular79 19 hr ago +3

Yeah go back and listen to the music at that time and people were pissed.

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Devil-radiance 22 hr ago +2

Something from that time that doesn't sit right with me is those Shirley Temple movie collection commercials. Why the f*** were people okay with openly advertising something called "Baby Burlesque" in the 90s years after she'd already came forward about the kind of abuse she suffered as a child actress!? Like because it was from the 30s? What?

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Careless_Jury154 14 hr ago +2

The riots in LA were *literally* 7 miles away from Burbank (the filming location of full house)

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Material-Macaroon298 1 day ago +61

lol I mean kids growing up in the 50s to 80s had to worry about nuclear war as an omnipresent threat. And 50s and 60s had to worry about drafted to war. Its more accurate to say the 90s were the only innocent decade in a long while.

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Discorhy 1 day ago +21

Kids in todays age gotta worry about global pandemics and nuclear war. Not much has changed there atleast.

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Madwoman-of-Chaillot 18 hr ago +12

The '90s were not "innocent" by any stretch of the imagination. * Rwandan Genocide * Congo wars * The first Gulf war * Chechnya * Kosovo * Liberia * LAX bombing plot * Bosnian war/genocide * OK city bombing * Olympic bombing * Columbine and the rise of school shootings * Waco * LA riots * World Trade center bombing * Hurricane Andrew * OJ * Al Qaeda * Don't Ask Don't Tell and SEVERE homophobia * People forget, but the AIDs epidemic was in full swing * NICKELBACK * ETCETERA

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Maleficent-Hawk-318 1 day ago +8

I don't think they were even that innocent. That was the decade when, at least in the US, the real full-blown crime panic was being stoked. I swear, everyone forgets all the hysteria about gangs of "super predators" roving around cities committing random violence like something out of *A Clockwork Orange*, but it was taken seriously enough that some really fucked-up crime bills had broad bipartisan support, and even some pretty heavy-hitting civil rights activists were like "well maybe there's some merit to this theory..." I grew up in an area with a huge military/defense presence, so I might have been more aware of this than the average '90s kid, but I remember the Gulf War being a big deal, along with the Bosnian genocide being all over the news. Not the same as the looming nuclear threat posed by the USSR or the extreme fear of Islamic terrorism following 9/11, but even as a child I was very aware of those wars. Things were a lot more carefree too, but I honestly think that's mostly because we weren't so constantly bombarded by awful news just because we were a lot less online and didn't have smartphones constantly pushing terrible headlines on us. It was the start of the 24-hour news cycle to be sure, but even then, most people had to disconnect a lot more.

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Educational-Wing2042 1 day ago +28

For who? There were plenty of genocides and wars during the 90s

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Tasty_Goat_3267 23 hr ago +10

Yeah but they didn’t impact the actress and her life of riches and fame and privilege. So for her I’m sure it felt like an innocent time. It’s always that basically.

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BorkStimpson 16 hr ago +3

Yea “innocent” isn’t really the right way to say it I think. “Optimistic” I think fits better. Plenty of bad shit happened in the 90’s, but it did feel like the trend was at least positive

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Riderz__of_Brohan 23 hr ago +2

Yeah people were doing this “the world is too dark for humor now” schtick for years, it was particularly prevalent in the 60s because of nuclear war

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Luci-Noir 15 hr ago +2

A civil rights movement, segregation, Americans f****** with South America, Vietnam, homophobia, etc

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Sumeriandawn 12 hr ago +2

Back then, many people weren't calling the 90s "an innocent time"

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gmkrikey 23 hr ago +3

The 90s were a nice hopeful gap. A breather after decades of Cold War fear. Then 9/11 happened and the world returned to shit. US perspective obviously.

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inedibletrout 21 hr ago +7

Which 90s did you live in? Because mine had the 1994 Rwandan genocide, the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, the 1999 Columbine High School shooting, the 1992 Los Angeles riots, major international conflicts like the Bosnian War, Gulf War, and the Yugoslav Wars. Throw in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the Waco siege, the death of Princess Diana, Hurricane Andrew, the all time high in violent crime and homicide, the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania as well. Not exactly a quiet decade. Edit: the AIDS epidemic was also in full swing with AIDS becoming the leading cause of death for US men aged 25–44 in both 92 and 94.

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Sumeriandawn 12 hr ago +2

Or....the world was always like that

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Acrobatic_Many_8162 1 day ago +40

The 90s were really heavy for gay people.

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Sigmar_Heldenhammer 1 day ago +30

Or anyone living in the Balkans

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fredjutsu 17 hr ago +5

pretty much anyone living outside of the white middle class bubble, anywhere in the US or world. Honestly more and more i think about it, its a completely shit take from her.

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maarsland 1 day ago +23

And minorities.

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Mouse-Direct 23 hr ago +9

I came to say this. It was the last “innocent” decade for white people not in poverty.

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fredjutsu 17 hr ago +2

the last decade of plausible deniability, we'll say, for middle class white people. Then the bill came due for the cost of the prosperity that was extracted from teh rest of hte world on 9/11/2001

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LikeALiamOnATree 1 day ago +7

Andrea Barber, the actress??

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Ok_Organization_6620 23 hr ago +18

No the decade expert

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smulligan04031989 23 hr ago +2

THE Andrea Barber 🌟

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phantom-firion 21 hr ago +21

Rwanda genocide, yeltsin ordering tanks to kill civilians in Moscow and forcibly take over the duma when they threatened to reign in his power, the Chechen wars, Oklahoma City bombing, Waco, world trade center bombing, Saddam’s invasion of his neighbors and subsequent desert storm and shield, Yugoslav wars and the genocides committed by Serbian nationalists. Human safaris hosted by Serbs. I’m sorry the only people who think the 90s are so good are oblivious idiots at best and naive manipulators at worst

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savpunk 23 hr ago +4

This reminds me of a dance competition show I watched one time, and one of the couples used a song from the musical Hair for their routine. And when the judges asked why that song, the woman responded because the 60s were so full of joy and fun and everybody was so happy all the time because nothing bad had happened yet. And you could see the judge just being like “WTF?????” and he responded with a bit of sarcasm about Vietnam and Charles Manson and the violence against civil rights protesters. Of course, not to mention the not subtle at all anti-war message of Hair!

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No-Reserve6817 1 day ago +16

the 90s were her peak so it makes sense that she would think this way, but the reality is things were already very heavy for many, we just weren’t exposed to as much the Internet and social media.

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Routman 14 hr ago +2

People who make comments about best decades reveal more about their age vs any real insight

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DeLoresDelorean 23 hr ago +16

The never ending generational parade of “my kid years were the best years because I was a kid, unlike today” the awareness of these people are the reason we have trump in office.

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Commercial_hater 22 hr ago +4

Social media ruined the world

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R_W0bz 16 hr ago +4

I mean world trade centre bombing, Olympic bombing, Oklahoma bombing, Columbine among others worldwide beg to differ, but politically sure.

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TuringGPTy 15 hr ago +2

To be fair the 90’s kinda ended with Columbine.

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Lumple660 23 hr ago +13

Hot take: There is no such thing as an innocent decade. All of human history is a bloody mess for the entirety of its existance. Its just people killing each other en masse for various stupid reasons. Our species has never been innocent. I believe people talking like this have rose tinted goggles on for when they were younger. The world felt simpler because the world is simpler when we are young. As we get older; that simplicity makes way for grey messy and complicated. People yearn for the time before life's messiness was apparent.

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No-Article-2582 23 hr ago +6

This shouldn't be a hot take due to how obvious this should be. Unfortunate. When were sentient animals ever clean?

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Amazing-Steak 23 hr ago +9

this is a stupid thought for anyone to linger on and not true. there's no year or decade in human history that was "innocent" or lacked "heavy" events. never happened, never existed, never will. what was innocent and light was her experience of the world as a teenage girl who was an actress on a popular television series. that's all it ever is people, if a decade felt innocent and light to you that's because YOUR life experience was innocent and light. but the world never was.

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bavmotors1 21 hr ago +9

that statement is *LOADED* with privilege

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Soteria69 23 hr ago +3

It was innocent because there was no social media or the Internet to show you what was going on

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good_vibes_only_dude 21 hr ago +3

9/11 changed everything

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AbeVigoda76 18 hr ago +3

The world lost its innocence in September 2001 when Glitter starring Mariah Carey was unleashed on an unsuspecting public.

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OldGoneMild89 16 hr ago +3

Sure, lady. Ruby Ridge, Waco, first tower attack, LA Riots, OJ Simpson, Oklahoma City bombing, Woodstock '99. All so innocent, right? That's just the stuff off the top of my head. I get it, I loved the 90's, I was in my 20's in a fun decade, but I don't wear totally rose colored glasses about it

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notguiltybrewing 15 hr ago +3

90's were the rise of the internet, perhaps she's right.

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TRKW5000 13 hr ago +3

Oooh yeah! 9/11 changed a lot of things! - Duff Man

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Such_King_2547 23 hr ago +5

why are you all so mad at this? it’s not worth getting angry over 😭

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Impossible-Year-5924 21 hr ago +5

Maybe for white people? Shit was heavier way before that for the rest of us

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Objective-Fox4797 22 hr ago +2

I feel like we just get information so fast now we dont have time to even process what happened before the next thing happens... rather than. Reading the morning paper, watching the 6oclock news, listening to the radio stations at certain times. Making everyone on edge and crazy.

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Pretend-Beach6465 22 hr ago +2

You're totally right Kimmy Gibler!

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brando9d7d 22 hr ago +2

The world did not get heavy. The internet just made it easier to shine a light on how heavy it already was.

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HammerandSickTatBro 21 hr ago +2

I am *begging* people to do the slightest bit of reading and stop thinking that whatever era they were young and energetic during was "the last innocent" time. It is incredibly tiresome and navel-gazing and is actively contributing to your own exploitation

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WardenEdgewise 20 hr ago +2

I’m sure someone said the exact same thing about the 1910’s. And the 1930’s. And the 1950’s…

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Coolbluegatoradeyumm 18 hr ago +2

I want to agree with her. Sup Gibbler

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CrasVox 17 hr ago +2

Well...2000 and 2001 were some shitty years where some dirty af things happened....so yeah

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RumRunnersHideaway 17 hr ago +2

In the Matrix they said they modeled it after the 90s because it was the peak of human civilization. We all laughed then. We aren’t laughing so much now.

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SpaceMyopia 16 hr ago +2

Nah. Love her, but she was a kid during the 90s. That's why she sees it that way.

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I_miss_your_mommy 16 hr ago +2

It’s like people don’t realize the western prosperity of the 1950s, 1980s and 1990s are just a blip in history. The world is usually awful

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PhD_Pwnology 16 hr ago +2

'All that genocide in Bosnia and Africa didn't really matter, it was the 'non-heavy' gun genocide!' -Andrea Barber Probably.

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NothaBanga 14 hr ago +2

We didn't start the fire...

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tony_sandlin 12 hr ago +2

For white people, sure.

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WeAreVennom 12 hr ago +2

no, that was just the last decade that anyone was willing to lie about it

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nicolalupo 10 hr ago +2

I love Bill Clinton but he did get an intern to give him a BJ in the WH. If I remember correctly…he was on the phone with a general while he was smoking a cigar and the intern was smoking him under the table. Now that is an alpha male.

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superdooper26 9 hr ago +2

Well Andrea, you’re straight, white, and upper class. Your bubble allowed you to not understand the shitty world around you.

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stalinspetmongoose 23 hr ago +4

Things were pretty rad until right around September 10, 2001. Things went to shit quickly thereafter.

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Desikarma524 23 hr ago +5

I was so innocent and oblivious to the ugliness of our society. 😭😭😭😭

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MidnightAltas 20 hr ago +3

People are making fun of her. At the same time, I think many modern historians would agree that September, 11th 2001 was an inflection point in modern world history. There is a before and after. The 90s would be before.

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bdaruna 19 hr ago +3

Sure, cause the 30’s, 40’s, 60’s & 70’s were a breeze! Edit - thought maybe young folks may need context: 30’s - Great Depression 40’s - WWII 50’s - Women and Minority’s struggle starts to break through & Korea. Cold War. 60’s - race, gender and Vietnam. Cold War and Nuclear Proliferation. 70’s - Vietnam - Iran - Cold War. 80’s - AIDS (as a kid in the 80’s I literally thought about dying from AIDS as I fell asleep at night.

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sixth_hokage06 16 hr ago +3

For straight white people, sure

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birdynumnum69 19 hr ago +3

I miss those innocent and heartfelt LA riots. /s

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xNotJosieGrossy 23 hr ago +4

If you were an attractive, wealthy, successful, heteronormative white person - it may have been “innocent,” For everyone else, not so much.

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loves_to_splooge_8 22 hr ago +2

Again the 90’s was the peak of violent crime in the US

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Jimmy-the-Knuckle 21 hr ago +2

She was a teen and in her early 20s in the 90s, of course the world felt lighter.

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Jooodas 21 hr ago +2

Id say there have been no real “innocent” decades, each one has had its “heavy” times.

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TheLearningScientist 20 hr ago +2

People really whitewash the 90s like there wasn’t the AIDS crisis, the height of eating disorders, the crack epidemic, sky high violent crime in every major city, and white supremacist militia groups committing terrorist attacks

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IceHouse11 19 hr ago +2

She’s not wrong. I still say the Bush JR/ Gore election was the butterfly effect moment for the USA though.

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TheTapeDeck 18 hr ago +2

It wasn’t ever innocent. It was just before the Information Age. Rather than thinking “innocent” one should think “Naive” or “Uninformed” or “Ignorant.” Any of us born in the 70’s lived through a plausible idea that Reagan wasn’t a monster, and that the US was somehow benevolent. It seems extra ridiculous to imagine, now. But we weren’t finding out about the horrible shit this country did until years later. Nowadays, they do the same horrible c***, and it’s known instantly. It’s “heavier” sure, but it’s more honest.

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Sea_Working_80 23 hr ago +2

I will go to my grave saying this..The era of like 1998 to the summer of 2001 were the greatest ever.Still lots of tech and internet..no social media.. c**** gas..great traveling..dollar went far..Before 9/11..just a grand time

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Makarov87 23 hr ago +1

I remember when I saw the Matrix when it came out and in it they say the matrix simulates the late 90s, as that was the human civilizations peak. At the time I thought that was crazy! There's so much more cool things and technological improvements to come! ... And here we are today, that really was the peak...

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futuresdawn 22 hr ago +1

Eh I mean a lot of the problems with the world today go back to the 80s and Ronald Reagan, so the 90s was more naive I'd say

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Islanduniverse 22 hr ago +1

Tell that to all the minorities that lived through, *checks notes* all of f****** history. What a stupid and myopic take.

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CodeMonkeyPhoto 22 hr ago +1

I think 1985 things got heavy.

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SafeKaracter 22 hr ago +1

Damn this is sparking a totally useless and predictable debate in the comments

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NonProphet8theist 22 hr ago +1

Always has been 🧑‍🚀 🔫

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Brumfieldhm 22 hr ago +1

It’s not worse than it used to be , we just now have more tools to perceive.

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tlk0153 22 hr ago +1

Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby differ

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FourGorgeousDogs 22 hr ago +1

I also heard she was under anesthesia during the OJ Simpson Bronco chase

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naszalutka 22 hr ago +1

And really white

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wutangclanthug9mm 22 hr ago +1

The last great year for culture was 1997. Boogie nights came out, so did titanic and David fincher’s the game with Michael Douglas and don’t forget men in black. Seinfeld, ER, Friends, Buffy were the top shows but the enshitification of our culture could be chronicled by simply watching a 90’s procedural called “Homicide: Life on the Street”. This show was basically the prototype for the HBO hit The Wire and if you watch all 122 episodes, you start to see the show go from interesting police procedural to smutty sex peddling. The change in the show’s sex tone happens between seasons 6 and 7 (1997/1998). After that everything sucks.

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PondersOverYonder 21 hr ago +1

AIDs was so chill.

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SouthTexasCowboy 21 hr ago +1

The world was pretty heavy with famines and world wars long before that

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True_Manufacturer909 21 hr ago +1

The Bosnian War, the Rwandan genocide, the first and second Chechen Wars, etc but sure the 90s were everyone holding hands singing Kumbaya

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_GloryKing_ 21 hr ago +1

I agree to an extent. But grunge music was varying levels of angry and depressing, so not everyone was having a good time.

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FlimsyConclusion 21 hr ago +1

Well I don't want to blame it all on 9/11, but it certainly didn't help.

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GL2U22 21 hr ago +1

The explosion of the Internet and then social media certainly fucked over the trajectory of society. The nail in the coffin was smartphones putting it all in our pocket and making it instantly accessible 24/7.

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Azrethoc 21 hr ago +1

It was all downhill after my first dozen beheading videos... aka Cursed rick rolls...

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TommyJohnSurgery420 21 hr ago +1

The 90s were hardly an innocent time. You just didn't hear about much of anything because not a lot of people had internet.

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raised_on_robbery 21 hr ago +1

If you were a straight white teenager in a middle upper class America, sure…

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LazloHollifeld 21 hr ago +1

I don’t think she’s saying that the world didn’t have its bad parts, it’s just that we lost the innocence of how we view the world and interact with each other. We live in an interconnected 24 hour news cycle world that didn’t exist back in the 90s. The internet and cell phones changed everything about life, and those that weren’t around before then have no clue and struggle to fundamentally conceptualize how different things really.

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babyjrodriguez 21 hr ago +1

Idk about that…. The 70s and 80s were incredibly violent, and a lot of that spilled over into the 90s. The 90s were great, I was born in 93. A lot of my favorite music comes from the 90s. But to say that the 90s was “innocent” is a stretch imo.

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Next-Accident-2970 21 hr ago +1

Didn't The Riots happen in the 90s? The East Coast/West Coast Rivalry resulting in the deaths of two popular rappers? The Waco Siege? The Cold War? Columbine? \-gets dragged away from chat-

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randomperv 21 hr ago +1

The 90s died on Sept 11th 2001. I know how that sounds but I saw that quote from a listnookor and it's so true to me.

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wrenbell 21 hr ago +1

Based. -every Millennial (myself included)

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jfal11 21 hr ago +1

Sorry, how many genocides happened that decade?

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Available-Secret-372 20 hr ago +1

Maybe to Americans with their heads in the sand?

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Large-Lack-2933 20 hr ago +1

I was born in '94 but the 90's era gets a bit overhyped. I guess in terms of privacy the 90's was the last innocent time then she is correct since as social media has changed everything upside down. Pre 9/11 the world was different. Although the 90's did have their fare share of moments of chaos with the 1993 Waco Texas cult fire, 1995 Timothy McVey Oklahoma City bombing, 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing, 1999 Columbine school shooting. Alot of domestic terrorism and the rise of school shootings becoming the norm. Also in this era the beginnings of propaganda with Fox News in '96...

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BrianOBlivion1 20 hr ago +1

That’s a nice sentiment, but it’s really dependent on where you grew up. My partner grew up in Russia in the ’90s, and it was a complete dumpster fire, economic collapse, instability, crime, and massive uncertainty after the fall of the Soviet Union. That decade wasn’t “innocent” or light at all; it was chaotic and, for many families, really difficult just to survive. Even within the United States, the picture wasn’t uniformly rosy. Crime rates were significantly higher in the early ’90s than they are today, and many Black and Latino neighborhoods were dealing with very high homicide rates as well, still grappling with the long-term devastation of the crack epidemic, which had torn through families and local economies. So whether the ’90s felt carefree or heavy depends a lot on your geography, your circumstances, and your lived experience. Nostalgia tends to smooth over those differences.

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Firesky54 20 hr ago +1

Nah it was always heavy. Its just that social media wasn’t widespread at that time.

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Oxjrnine 20 hr ago +1

The world was heavy back then. • Gulf War (1990-91) — that’s your pre-George-W. Middle East war • The Rwandan genocide (1994) — 800,000 people killed in roughly 100 days while the world watched • Bosnian War and the Srebrenica massacre (1995) — ethnic cleansing in Europe itself • The term “sexual harassment” was only just entering mainstream consciousness via the Anita Hill hearings (1991) • Gulf War (1990-91) • The Rwandan genocide (1994) — 800,000 people killed in roughly 100 days while the world watched • Bosnian War and the Srebrenica massacre (1995) — ethnic cleansing in Europe itself • Ongoing conflicts in Somalia, Sudan, and Angola • First World Trade Center bombing (1993) • Oklahoma City bombing (1995) • IRA bombings throughout the decade in Britain • AIDS crisis was still devastating communities with no effective treatment until mid-decade • Violent crime rates in North America were actually significantly higher than today, peaking in the early 90s before declining • Early 90s recession was brutal

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Erosun 20 hr ago +1

Innocent my ass lol shit was easier to hide.

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victor4700 20 hr ago +1

This actually might be the most accurate “in the 90s” take. All the other ones are misremembering/ blocking out stuff. This one tracks.

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Hairymuscle101 20 hr ago +1

She didn’t live thru WW2

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Mem2Chi91 20 hr ago +1

Yeah those were her 20’s

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RottenPingu1 20 hr ago +1

Reminds me of people feeling nostalgic for things that never were.

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PrimalTripping 20 hr ago +1

Maybe for her generation but I bet the world felt very heavy in late 1930s and early 1940s.

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scoot87 20 hr ago +1

Same thing happened in the 1930s

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ETNevada 20 hr ago +1

Except for advancements in medicine I wish technology progression would have stopped in ‘99. Nothing since has been truly necessary and isn’t making us happier.

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