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helzinki Apr 15, 2026 +265

3 way incest on the big screen

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Lyranx Apr 15, 2026 +53

On the back of the dragons

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ryshark14 Apr 16, 2026 +22

And here's the twist - we show it. We show ALL of it

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buhuuj Apr 16, 2026 +15

Dragon fight, penetration, dragon fight, full penetration, dragon fight, penetration.

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cruisin_urchin87 Apr 15, 2026 +25

All blondes

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Jaximaus Apr 15, 2026 +13

2 dragons at the same time.

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LivingNewt Apr 15, 2026 +4

I think this means it'll be banned in the UK

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icantfeelmylags Apr 15, 2026 +1004

Suzanne Collins worked on the book and movie for Sunrise on the Reaping at the same time, George.

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CalvesOfPeace Apr 15, 2026 +555

He is never going to release the last book(s) because his ending was the one they used in the show, after seeing people hated that ending he just gave up.

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Bongressman Apr 15, 2026 +661

People probably would have liked the ending just fine if they had taken another season or two to build up to it. The speed run really killed the narrative.

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OutsideIndoorTrack Apr 15, 2026 +266

Agreed. Seeing Dany's slower descent into madness and the characters realizing that royal bloodlines would always cause problems and an objective, name-less leader should be chosen would have made the end go a long way

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Elite_Jackalope Apr 15, 2026 +99

Even then, wasn’t their objective, nameless leader the heir to the second most prominent Westorosi family after the Targs?

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goldrush7 Apr 15, 2026 +62

I think the point was that Bran wouldn't have been able to produce heirs. Arya would be far away exploring, not sure if Sansa would have been next in line?

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kf97mopa Apr 15, 2026 +30

Sansa's eldest son, if I remember the rules of succession right.

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TomTomMan93 Apr 15, 2026 +20

I thought the implication was that it would be the three-eyed raven who would rule. Like when Bran passes that on, that person would become king instead of a biological heir. Otherwise, wouldn't the Bran not having kids thing only last a single king?

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ThePrussianGrippe Apr 15, 2026 +21

They’re laying the ground work for an elective monarchy, with a possible transition to a republic.

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blublub1243 Apr 15, 2026 +8

Elective monarchies are not how you get republics, if anything they further cement the power of the nobility. Constitutional monarchies are how you achieve that, which typically operate off of very basic rules for succession since the monarch doesn't actually matter much courtesy of being a figurehead.

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TomTomMan93 Apr 15, 2026 +9

Thats sort of how I was taking it except they make that gag in the last episode when Sam points towards elections. So it kind of threw me

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grandoz039 Apr 15, 2026 +19

Elective by nobles, not general democracy

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jn2010 Apr 15, 2026 +13

But even that makes sense if Bran had done literally anything to prove he has f****** magic powers. But no, just be a cryptic idiot for 3 seasons.

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sibswagl Apr 15, 2026 +18

That's a pretty silly argument considering the Starks have been ruling just fine for like 8000 years or some horseshit. The Lords Paramount have been in charge for millennia. It's really only the Targs who fucked things up. And even then they were pretty stable up till the Dance, right? A lack of bloodline is actually pretty bad because it makes transfers of power much harder. I know Game of Thrones kinda makes that look silly, what with the War of Five Kings, but that was only cuz Cersei fucked up. Trying to do a democratic transfer of power every 50ish years sounds like a nightmare in a world that is otherwise still all monarchies.

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blublub1243 Apr 15, 2026 +9

I think "character just kinda goes crazy, lol" will always struggle to make for a particularly compelling narrative. Beyond that though, I'd argue that Jon being the "rightful trve heir to the throne" really just undercuts the supposedly anti-monarchist sentiments of the story, considering it falls into the trappings of the monarchist train of thought under which the problem is not the institution of the monarchy itself but that the rightful ruler is not on the throne, thus inviting disaster by nature. You can't argue that "royal houses will always cause problems" when any staunch monarchist would argue that the real problem is that some uppity woman decided to usurp the throne ahead of the rightful heir and was punished with madness for it. It's a problem the story has in general that became more and more evident in the show but is likely also a trapping for the books, where it appears the narrative can't escape the allure of the tropes it's trying to criticize.

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ernie1850 Apr 15, 2026 +5

To add to this, imagine if we see her gradually get too much on her plate to deal with, having her focus elsewhere, causing her to overlook big things that we as the audience, overlook with her. That way, when the fleet shows up to f*** shit up, we share that experience with her, instead of getting an explanation outside the show that "Dany kinda forgot about the Iron Fleet" That one explanation gave us a clear picture of how little thought they put into stuff near the end.

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TK523 Apr 15, 2026 +15

They didn't really lay much groundwork for the madness. By now in the book it's been made pretty clear she's got some issues through her POV but the show never included any of that.

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iChao Apr 15, 2026 +35

I disagree to a certain extent. She burned Mirri Maz Duur, killed Kraznys mo Nakloz, and ordered the Unsullied to kill all the masters, crucified the masters, burned the Khals, etc. Most of her “craziness” was always framed in a savior way, but there were breadcrumbs of her absolutism and her use of fear as a tool. The problem was that we lacked a sort of transition phase; we just went from “this seems justified within the context of what happened” to “Dany is 100% f****** crazy” in like 4 episodes.

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TK523 Apr 15, 2026 +19

I don't think we disagree, I maybe just didn't elaborate. In the books you see her justification and rationalization for doing all these things which are a glimpse into her descent into madness. In the show the crimes are presented in a very sympathetic way. The bad guys comit a lot of murder and violence in the show. She's the only one whose violence has a veneer of justice. When you hold her against a Stark she's evil, but against a Lannister she's good. It's easy to think the sort of justified war crime commiter is the good guy when you forget there's a bunch of people who are just not commiting war crimes.

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BossButterBoobs Apr 15, 2026 +11

Yeah....none of those things foreshadow her suddenly doing a 180 and purposely burning women and children alive lol The context of her switch-up literally uses plot elements for another non-show character so I don't think GRRM ever planned for her to go "evil" like she did in the show.

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Trumpologist Apr 15, 2026 +9

The witch who killed her husband under guise of healing him? The slaver who wanted to r*** her? The masters who crucified 500 children to point the way to their city? Justified all

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iChao Apr 15, 2026 +1

Thats what I meant with “justifiable within the context of what happened”. She still increasingly rejected counsel, used fear as a tool and believed her moral vision was absolute. What I’m trying to say is that there were signs that she was capable of burning Kings Landing to the ground provided she felt there was a justifiable reason, but at least to me, it all felt sudden.

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Elbit_Curt_Sedni Apr 15, 2026 +8

I binged it a couple years after the final season. I didn't watch it while it was airing. When you watch it through like that it's nowhere near as jarring. You view it from how much she went through: she lost two dragons and Cersei killed Missandei. She lost three things that were pretty much at the top of everyone she loved the most. Jon Snow is now an issue and she could sense him pulling away from her. On the flip side, everything happening to her so close to each other without her dealing with it (always in a constant battle/marching to next) actually makes sense why the rage boiled forth. It was still in her nature earlier too, but she was always in control for the most part then. Wasn't losing dragons, etc. When she lost Khal and the baby, she wasn't in a position of power to immediately burn everything. People watching it over years, one episode a week, spent a lot more time outside of watching it thinking about the characters. They formed attachments, etc. Creating their own ideas of how the show will go or could go, etc. For me, I just binged so I didn't have that in between episodes. Make sense?

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iChao Apr 15, 2026 +6

I have also binged the series a couple of times already, and I understand what you’re saying. My complaint is not about Dany going crazy per se, but rather how it all happened so f****** fast. Before the last two seasons, I feel like the show was more careful in laying down the motivations of the characters, with the necessary world-building to justify their actions, and then it felt like they were desperate to wrap it up.

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Sorge74 Apr 15, 2026 +2

The bells were an awful trigger point for her. It could had been the bells for surrender but then a random archer took a shot at her. Literally anything besides victory.

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CrashingAtom Apr 15, 2026 +41

100%. Bran was likable until he wasn’t, and Danny was the hero until one episode. Jon was supposed to be a hero but they gave his sister the magic knife. Jamie had a top 10 redemption arc until he decided to regress in an episode. It was a series of bullshit decisions that wrecked the show.

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chimmy_chungus23 Apr 15, 2026 +18

They established that he could use his powers to manipulate past events, and then never did anything with it after that besides him being able to see the past.

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CrashingAtom Apr 16, 2026 +7

When it was Bran, Jojen, Mira and Hodor…..they were beloved. The he became a glassy eyed automaton.

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TheMythofKoalas Apr 15, 2026 +8

I fully loathe when writers decide that subverting expectations is more important than paying off character arcs. Jaime is the worst one for me (he was my favourite character and my all-time favourite redemption arc prior to the last season), but there’s so much that went wrong in general.

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CrashingAtom Apr 15, 2026 +8

His story was so f****** well written. It was basic and nearly perfect. He’s the best, the traits that defined him were taken away and instead of letting it break him he decides to become decent.

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gentlechin Apr 15, 2026 +22

This. GRRM did come out and confirm that's pretty much the ending he had in mind, and he obviously planned on fleshing it out more in the books. I know that HBO and GRRM were *begging* D&D to go for 10 seasons, 10 episodes, but they (and apparently the actors and staff too) were getting bored of it and wanted to move on. D&D especially wanted to make their bullshit Star Wars story for Disney which was properly shitcanned after the ending of GoT. I think this is how a lot of people feel - the only real problem with the GoT ending was it was so shoddily written. Winter and the war with the Night King alone should have been a whole season, I think. Also: Jon should have been king.

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longjumpingtote Apr 15, 2026 +29

> and apparently the actors and staff too) were getting bored of it Everyone was exhausted. Having worked in TV and film for a long while, I couldn't have maintained that pace. D&D were overseeing writing, traveling to sets and locations all over the world, budgets, etc. Since HBO insisted on such a fast release schedule, there was no time to break the seasons. In the early seasons they have source material. People complain if TV shows have longer gaps between seasons, and there are a lot of reasons for that, but one of them is the time to actually get your scripts into good shape to start filming. GOT is the best example of how even another six months would have helped immensely. Imagine having six months to take a one-month break for everyone, and then five *extra* months to write better scripts.

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Kayyam Apr 15, 2026 +3

They were not "bored" they were exhausted. They planned on GRRM releasing the last books by the time they catchup and he didn't. So they had no material to adapt and it made the whole show weaker for it. Paddling wirh extra seasons would not have helped the story be stronger in the absence of material to adapt. And they had given more than a decade of their life to this single project, have extended the number of the seasons beyond the original plan twice and GRRM was still not fulfilling his end of the bargain. Them waning to finish the project is reasonable.

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RustinCarcosa Apr 16, 2026 +3

\[GRRM did come out and confirm that's pretty much the ending he had in mind\] where did he say that

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MappleStarsSky Apr 15, 2026 +7

D&D were not dropped from Star Wars, they got offered a 200 milions dollars contract by Netflix that they accepted. This has been pubblic info for almost a decade now, how does people still believe that they dropped the show for Star Wars lol, they literaly said after the release of S1 that they were going to do 7 seasons, they actually did one more.

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mdervin Apr 15, 2026 +7

From what I heard, Disney allowed(encouraged?) them to shop for a new deal. You don't publicly announce a deal like that and let those guys walk.

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Toby_O_Notoby Apr 16, 2026 +5

Nah, Disney pretty much walked on all their Star Wars stuff: - Rian Johnson's Star Wars Trilogy: Scrapped. - Colin Trevorrow’s Episode IX: Fired to give it back to JJ. - Patty Jenkins' Rogue Squadron: Scrapped. - Kevin Feige's Star Wars Movie (written by Michael Waldron): Scrapped. - Damon Lindelof's Rey Skywalker Film: Scrapped in favour of making one with Daisy Ridly (which we're still waiting on) - Boba Fett "Star Wars Story": Scrapped but somewhat remade on Mandalorian - More Solo "Star Wars Story" sequel: Scrapped I mean, the last Star Wars film in theatres was RoS and that was seven f****** years ago. Let's face it, Disney just didn't want to make Star Wars movies and the only reason we're getting a new one is off the back of a successful TV series.

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licoricenipple Apr 16, 2026 +3

Disney put all their Star Wars movie projects on indefinite hiatus after Solo bombed and they decided to launch their own streaming service, wanting TV series over movies going forward. D&D signed the Netflix deal to make 3 Body Problem during that hiatus period where all movie projects were dead. That included D&D's planned 3 movies and 8 others.

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MappleStarsSky Apr 15, 2026 +6

Basicaly from what we know, Disney was proposing projects left and right at the time, but started to reconsider future movie outings after the reception of The Last Jedi. Ryan Jonson still has a greenlighted trilogy that, by all accounts, everyone considers cancelled. It' s less of "They were fired" and more of a "Disney got cold feet on basicaly everyone, so they went for a more solid proposal over Disney wishy-washy approach". Hollywood Reported leaked that they were actually in a biding war, there were at least 5 different studios that wanted to hire the showrunners of GoT after the show ended. I think a lot of people forget that the finale of GoT was the most watched episode of TV ever when it released, and the final season won an Emmy. I' M NOT SAYING IT' S GOOD, I' m saying that, by the eyes of investors, those people were literaly printing gold.

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midtrailertrash Apr 15, 2026 +3

I don’t think there is any amount of length or time that would have fixed that horrible ending. It’s an extremely bad ending to an otherwise incredible fantasy book series.

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Faquarl Apr 15, 2026 +5

True, with the exception of King Bran. That still wouldn’t have made any sense

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bluebottled Apr 15, 2026 +3

Yeah people always blame the pace, and yeah the fast pace ruined Dany's story, but 'Bran the Broken' is bullshit no matter how you get to it.

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kf97mopa Apr 15, 2026 +4

The storyteller writing his story so that the guy with the best story gets to be king? We should have seen it coming, really.

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GeroVeritas Apr 15, 2026 +2

Specifically, Gendry speed ran 🤣

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VagueSomething Apr 15, 2026 +2

Some parts would have always been a bit cringe like the dragon seeing her body then breaking the throne deliberately and the choice of king in the show would be very hard to justify without a hell of a lot of extra writing to make a compelling case. The Night King kill could probably be more acceptable if something happened to connect the characters deeper rather than the show being a lazy bait and switch. Fleshing it out would make it better but rushed or not some parts were just bad.

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kazh_9742 Apr 16, 2026 +2

There's also a pretty good chance that the personalities, nuance, and delivery of the characters in the book tamper down the details and the beats that felt contrived in the show.

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MappleStarsSky Apr 15, 2026 +4

People forget that after S8 covid happened. Filming for this show would have been impossible, and on top of that, many of the crew members and actors have said they were out after S8, they only sticked around with the promise of this being the final season.

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Simple_Bort Apr 15, 2026 +70

He gave up way before that.

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Underwater_Karma Apr 15, 2026 +52

The show ending aired 8 years after his most recent book was published. He didn't give up because because of the show, he gave up LONG before then.

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krispyboiz Apr 15, 2026 +28

I think it's hilarious that South Park's GoT spoof (which poked fun at his slow writing) was over 12 years ago, and the next book *still* isn't out.

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Underwater_Karma Apr 15, 2026 +16

That South Park episode absolutely ruined the Game of Thrones theme song for me. I literally can not hear "wiener, weiner, Weiner, Weiner"

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Toby_O_Notoby Apr 16, 2026 +4

In one of the DVD commentaries they sing "Peter DINKlage, Peter DINKlage, Peter DINKlage..." along to it.

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mdervin Apr 15, 2026 +2

My GF and I started watching GoT after Dunk & Egg, if we don't skip the intro one of us will start singing wiener, wiener, wiener...

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Chataboutgames Apr 15, 2026 +20

His inability to meet deadlines and getting absolutely stuck *dramatically* predates the television show, much less the show's ending. Like, we'd already hit "sorry I had to split a book in to two books" before the show was even announced.

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JudgeFondle Apr 15, 2026 +2

The difference is, he eventually finished back then. If he ever publishes Winds of Winter, it will have taken him longer to write this sixth book as the four books succeeding Game of Thrones.

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BillMurraysTesticle Apr 15, 2026 +17

He gave up way before seasons 7 and 8 were even produced. He got rich and quit, simple as that. That negative reaction to the final two seasons of course didn't help.

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Von_Lincoln Apr 15, 2026 +3

I think a possibility is that at some point when he knew he couldn’t finish the story before the show, he may have wanted to see the fan reactions and hoped it was positive enough for him to be able to say “and the book will be even better” as fans clamored for more. But the show rushed it and just went through the motions, but he lost confidence in his own ending, leaving him further unable to finish instead of inspiring him to finish. Just speculating, he may have just got bored with it too.

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BossButterBoobs Apr 15, 2026 +16

It can't possibly be his actual ending outside broadstrokes due to the show heavily diverging in season 5. And a lot of the shit people hated about the ending like Danys random heel turn, Jon being a simp, Arya being the terminator, the lame ending to the white walkers literally can't and won't happen in the hypothetical last 2 books.

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lestye Apr 15, 2026 +13

Yeah, it really sucks to see that sentiment so widely regurgitated on listnook. A few bullet point OUTCOMES is not the same thing as an ending.

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MappleStarsSky Apr 15, 2026 +6

He has had 17 years to prove people wrong, but hasn' t done it yet. He also said that The Others are not going to be the final threat of the books. People expecting the long winter to be longer than a night are setting themself up for disappointment lol, we only have two books to go.

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BossButterBoobs Apr 15, 2026 +5

What do you mean by "prove wrong"? He can't prove anything because it's literally impossible for the major events of the show to occur in the book. Like, even if the long night is just a night, I think most people were more annoyed by Arya "saving the day". Not only did D&D already admit that was entirely their idea and had nothing to do with GRRM, there is no Night King in the book anyways. Or take Jon being a simp. That's definitely not gonna happen because he's an entirely different character in the book. For him to suddenly shift towards his show version would mean GRRM would have to straight up retcon him and don't see that happening. I also agree that the final villain won't be the Others. It's likely gonna be a mix of Dany and Euron.

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Drab_Majesty Apr 15, 2026 +2

Hilarious if it's Victarion

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mangoboi440 Apr 15, 2026 +2

Honestly leaving all his fans in limbo for eternity is a pretty Martinesque level of brutality.

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Randvek Apr 15, 2026 +2

I disagree; I think he gave up long before that ending ever aired, possibly even before it was filmed. How it was received didn’t move the needle an inch.

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UndoxxableOhioan Apr 15, 2026 +2

I think that is part of it, but I also think his plans just didn't work. We laugh at how in the last 2 seasons characters were able to magically teleport around Westeros, like Gendry somehow running to Eastwatch-by-the-sea, sending a raven to Dragonstone, and Daenerys somehow managing to fly past the wall in a few hours. I think his plot needs certain people together, but he goes back and realizes they are weeks away from where they need to be and has to keep rewriting earlier chapters to get people where they need to be, but then that keeps breaking things elsewhere.

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SwvmpThing Apr 15, 2026 +2

The problem wasn’t what happened in the end, but how stupidly it was executed. Just terrible writing.

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SporadicSheep Apr 15, 2026 +3

This take drives me insane every time I see it. The ending sucked because there were like 30 things that happened that made absolutely no sense in a way that George would never write. Maybe George's ending plot beats are the same, but his ending would never be bad in the same way the show was.

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justduett Apr 15, 2026 +6

Obviously I have no hard evidence, but my belief is along these lines, too.

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poindexter1985 Apr 15, 2026 +4

The general idea of Bran becoming king in the end is not bad in the least. It was bad in the show, because the show had already taken efforts to establish Bran and the Three-Eyed Raven as wholly apolitical and disinterested in the game of thrones. His dialogue emphasized that he was Captain Magic now and that feudal nonsense was beneath his interest. Bran becoming king was a sudden reversal on that presentation, with no setup for the reversal, and that poisoned the idea. Contrast that with the books, where Bran's predecessor was Bloodraven (Brynden Rivers), who was *absolutely* a Machiavellian political schemer, and implied to have remained tapped into the political intrigues of Westeros from beyond the wall by using the magic of the Weirwood trees. It seems unlikely that GRRM intended for Bran, as Bloodraven's protege, to be presented as a disinterested overseer only concerned with any affairs of men other than dealing with the Others. And even then, with the idea of Bran as king coming totally out of left field and in contradiction of established character arcs on the show, they made the problem worse with just generally dog-shit writing for the episode. "Who has a better story than Bran the Broken?" F*** off. Who writes this shit? That scene is probably the root of half the backlash on its own. The audience wouldn't have clowned on Bran as king so hard if they didn't have a such a cringe-inducing script for that scene.

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MeijiHao Apr 15, 2026 +14

George's former assistants, Ty Frank and Daniel Abraham, launched and completed their nine book Expanse series, consulted on 6 seasons of the television series and are two books into their new series all since George published A Dance of Dragons

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VirtualPen204 Apr 15, 2026 +10

I think it's amusing that ppl are defending Martin here because of "quality", as if it hasn't been nearly *15* years since his last book. We've yet to see what comes with Mistborn/Stormlight Archives adapations, but Sanderson is also heavily involved n the movie/TV show while writing his books.

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AdWestern1561 Apr 15, 2026 +14

I get the frustration with his refusal to finish the books but I think there' s a massive difference in complexity between a story set in one location with a small cast of characters and one that spans a continent with various factions and characters.

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ZebraSandwich4Lyf Apr 15, 2026 +16

It doesn't have anything to do with complexity at this point, it's been nearly 15 years and Winds isn't even the last book. He just doesn't care any more and is happy just cashing in the checks from the TV deals.

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Efficient-Memory7105 Apr 15, 2026 +7

I mean you're not wrong and this is why Suzanne Collins has written like eight books in the time he's published 1 and we've been waiting on a second.

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NATHAN4U007 Apr 15, 2026 +24

I mean its not really fair comparison considering the huge difference in quality.

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sheJaMyMorant Apr 15, 2026 +6

lol facts

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PayneTrain181999 Apr 15, 2026 +6

And she included Francis Lawrence in the process so he could ensure a good transition to film

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Seraphayel Apr 15, 2026 -2

Collins doesn’t have to juggle with dozens and dozens of characters and storylines, so let’s be fair here.

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icantfeelmylags Apr 15, 2026 +19

I could see that explaining a gap of a few years, but we’re about to pass the 15 year mark here.

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Efficient-Memory7105 Apr 15, 2026 +10

The wait from book 5-6 is about to surpass the entirety of time it took for books 1-5.

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unplugnothing Apr 15, 2026 +17

Bro he’s released one (1) book from the series in 21 years

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Silent-Act191 Apr 15, 2026 +21

She also actually wants to finish her books.

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SolomonBlack Apr 15, 2026 +5

Robert Jordan had triple the characters and storylines (easily) and still managed 11 doorstoppers and left enough material to see the series properly finished.

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TyposIncoming Apr 15, 2026 +234

I hope the movie isn't from the Targaryen perspective. I find the perspective of the people of Westeros to almost always be more compelling

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romulus1991 Apr 15, 2026 +213

I'd genuinely like it if they presented it as a horror from a Westerosi perspective. Foreign invaders on flying nukes come and devastate and kill by the thousands. There's far more dramatic potential there.

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lestye Apr 15, 2026 +51

There's actually a character in the recent show that described them as incestuous aliens. Their otherwordly beauty could definitely make it that kind of a story.

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MattSR30 Apr 15, 2026 +5

The Faith Militant Uprising would be a good spot for that sort of story. Really drive home how different they are from everyone else.

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wheelsno3 Apr 15, 2026 +34

That's actually a great idea. Cloverfield style, alien invasion. The little people getting drafted into a war they have no hope of winning, with the movie ending with the dead charred bodies of the soldiers below a Targaryen banner being raised. Like the swastika being raised over Paris.

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Ringosis Apr 15, 2026 +13

Honestly I think the absolute best way they could do it is more a Children Of Men/1917 sort of style. Pick one significant, but otherwise unimportant character and have the entire movie be a tight focus on their experiences. With exposition coming exclusively from their interactions with other people.

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disastrousanddull Apr 15, 2026 +3

I’ve resisted watching any of the spin-offs, but I would watch all of this.

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Death_Binge Apr 15, 2026 +9

Imagine if it was like Gareth Edwards' Godzilla. No sweeping, disaster movie-esque shots from Aegon's and his sisters' POV - just pure terror experienced from those on the groud.

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Desroth86 Apr 15, 2026 +5

I was thinking more like Godzilla minus one but we were on the same wavelength.

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Indigocell Apr 15, 2026 +2

Same, [this is the kind of vibe](https://youtu.be/6V176cLBu5I?) I'm looking for. Sick of watching those white-haired fuckers machinate.

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MeanCantaloupe69 Apr 15, 2026 +13

They're incestuous aliens

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MattSR30 Apr 15, 2026 +6

Duncan

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poindexter1985 Apr 15, 2026 +8

I feel like it really has to be from a Westeros perspective. It's a movie about a conquest. Think of all of the war movies we've all seen, and their climactic battles. Whether we're talking fantasy fiction (Lord of the Rings), pre-modern historical fiction (Braveheart, Kingdom of Heaven, Alexander), modern war movies (Saving Private Ryan), science fiction (Star Wars), historical fantasy (300), we *always* see the side of the protagonist facing down seemingly insurmountable (or at least very difficult) odds. How do you make a compelling narrative from the perspective of the conqueror who shows up with an overwhelming force to a battle that it seems impossible for him to lose? Oooh, will he use his dragons to completely crush his enemies beneath his boot? What if he might fail to do that, and only severely smash them beneath his boot? Good luck creating any illusion of narrative tension from that.

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matter_of_time Apr 15, 2026 +4

Just 3 hours of Harren the Black having his massive castle built, just to get toasted at the end.

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PrestigeArrival Apr 15, 2026 +246

I’m glad it’ll be a movie and not a show. I don’t find the story of Aegon’s Conquest all that exciting so I’m hoping they’re saving tv spots for non-Targ stories.

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Silent-Act191 Apr 15, 2026 +237

*Someone refuses Aegon something* *Lmao dragons* *Repeat scenario a couple dozen times.*

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sgtshenanigans Apr 15, 2026 +57

Dorne and why Aegon accepted peace with Dorne and even got along with the Dornish are the only interesting storylines in Aegon's conquest. Maybe if Aegon's children are actually his or not might be mildly interesting but that's about it.

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Chataboutgames Apr 15, 2026 +24

> > Maybe if Aegon's children are actually his or not might be mildly interesting but that's about it. Even then, how many b****** bloodlines can we care about lol?

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LahmiaTheVampire Apr 15, 2026 +8

The battle for the Stormlands was also a highlight. Actually having a dragon on the ground for the fight was a cool addition.

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bfodder Apr 15, 2026 +8

> Maybe if Aegon's children are actually his or not F****** YAWN. GoT taught us that doesn't even matter more than circumstantial violence anyway.

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Indigocell Apr 15, 2026 +5

Others have mentioned that a horror/fantasy film from the perspective of some average Westerosi might work. I'm partial to that. Not enough medieval/fantasy horror out there.

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YourMuppetMethDealer Apr 16, 2026 +2

Honestly I just wanna know for sure that Rhaenys survived and was being tortured in a Dornish dungeon

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RamblingofaBrokenMan Apr 15, 2026 +2

Make it a montage at that point

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PayneTrain181999 Apr 15, 2026 +66

Robert’s Rebellion is the other one they should consider doing. Lots of recognizable characters from the original show.

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MattSR30 Apr 15, 2026 +3

One of my biggest gripes with franchises in general. Not everything needs an origin story or an explanation.

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Silent-Act191 Apr 16, 2026 +3

"I don't have people, i'm alone" "Han ... Solo"

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imperfek Apr 15, 2026 +28

This would have been better tbh. This is just the targ stomping everyone, don't think it was ever close. However, I do feel like showing all these battles kinda goes against the whole asoiaf theme. The war was suppose to be somewhat of mystery and told by many unreliable narrator. A lot of battles were not shown in the book were just recounted in the same way.

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CasanovaJones82 Apr 15, 2026 +7

We only have the history as written by the victors, as far as I know? There's a lot of room in there to flesh out a movie. An action war flick with a few dragon knights who actually know what they are doing, with a direct link back to OV, dismantling an entire medieval continent sounds pretty dope to me.

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GuyKopski Apr 15, 2026 +3

It's kinda hard to change things too much though. Like, Aegon burned down one castle (Harrenhal) and then everyone else except Dorne surrendered. His dragons so thoroughly wrecked Harrenhal that it remains a smoldering ruin only known for that time dragons wrecked it centuries later. You can't exactly be like "actually that happened in a bunch of places". The only place there was any meaningful conflict was Dorne, but even that's not great since it's basically a Looney Tunes cartoon of the dornish hiding whenever a dragon shows up until they go away.

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Keiteaea Apr 15, 2026 +2

Don't worry, they are going to adapt it into a play 99% of fans won't be able to see. Fun.

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Chataboutgames Apr 15, 2026 +3

Robert's Rebellion is an odd one ot choose. Obviously would make for an entertaining movie, but a good deal of the vagaries surrounding it are a key element of the storytelling in ASOIAF.

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CucumberWisdom Apr 15, 2026 +7

Ya it's pretty simplistic and really only worth it for the grand battles which will be handled much better in a major film with a big budget than any tv show

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Chataboutgames Apr 15, 2026 +13

It was damn near written with the *intention* of being non interesting, a legend of the past for people to project their own readof the world on to. Aegon himself has nearly no identifiable personality characteristics beyond his willingness to use dragons to conquer. He was by all accounts a badass warrior, a competent leader and administrator but like, nothing noted in the way of personality.

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patsfreak27 Apr 15, 2026 +2

Studios see a blank slate they can draw a character on 😂

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Mattyzooks Apr 15, 2026 +5

So much potential in this universe and they keep going with Targ stories. Dany and the dragons were one of my lesser favorite storylines in the show. In terms of weird shit, I was much more into white walkers and the lord of light than dragons.

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Tirras Apr 15, 2026 +2

I would've loved to see more of the Hound and Arya traveling around, getting into bar fights, tavern brawls, campfire fisticuffs, castle courtyard combat, all while delivering hateful little quips at each other. Maybe that kind of dynamic could be reproduced with some characters that aren't so locked in to a story we already have seen.

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sokaydough69 Apr 15, 2026 +2

I pray they get through most of it in an opening credits montage and have the actual plot be all Dorne.

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I_am_so_lost_hello Apr 15, 2026 +139

I still think is is stupid, Aegons conquest is basically “Targaryens invade, everyone gets face rolled”, except maybe dorne

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markdavo Apr 15, 2026 +41

I mean you could reduce Andor down to a similar boring premise: “some rebels try and stop the Empire.” Maybe we can hold off judgment on this one given the talent involved and the track record of Game of Thrones and its spin offs.

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YungFettuccine Apr 16, 2026 +2

Well said Mark

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Trizzae Apr 15, 2026 +35

Okay but here me out. It's framed as an alien invasion. Which it basically was.

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I_am_so_lost_hello Apr 15, 2026 +16

What alien invasion movie ends with the humans submitting to the aliens as their new leaders?

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Astrosaurus42 Apr 15, 2026 +23

It took Westeros 300 years to destroy the aliens.

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Mattyzooks Apr 15, 2026 +4

Aliens mostly destroyed themselves in those 300 years too.

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I_am_so_lost_hello Apr 15, 2026 +5

Yes and that makes for a good tv show

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Astrosaurus42 Apr 15, 2026 +2

We knew the ending of Titanic, and that movie is phenonenal. Doesn't mean we can't create some stakes in Aegon's Conquest and be good too.

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FX114 Apr 15, 2026 +3

Invasion of the Body Snatchers

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Trizzae Apr 15, 2026 +2

This movie will.

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hujambo11 Apr 15, 2026 +3

Why don't you think that could make for an interesting movie?

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splader Apr 15, 2026 +2

Sounds pretty fun

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AlwaysAlani Apr 15, 2026 +33

Genuinely do not care. Finish the books.

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CurrentCostanza Apr 15, 2026 +8

You gotta accept that the books will not be finished

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MememeSama Apr 15, 2026 +4

Lmao what books? The ones we been rereading 10 times? It ended with ADWD

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Meme_Pope Apr 15, 2026 +16

This story really doesn’t lend itself to a movie. People keep saying to tell it from the perspective of the people being conquered, but there isn’t one consistent group of people he’s fighting. He basically conquers them one kingdom at a time and they don’t really work together. There’s no opposition characters that would be on screen for very long

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JudgeFondle Apr 15, 2026 +2

Yeah. Happy to be proven wrong if the movie comes out and is awesome. But I really can't imagine a lore accurate movie achieving that effect.

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LowConstant3938 Apr 15, 2026 +16

It’s wild to me that the lesson the studio seemed to learn from season 8 of GOT is that “people want more dragons”

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GetGroovyWithMyGhost Apr 16, 2026 +5

The only scenes I really remember loving in Season 7 and 8 were the characters just talking shit on the walk beyond the wall on the way to capture a wight, and hanging out around the castle the night before the big battle. What does it take for them to realise that good writing and character development are whh people fell for the show in the first place? Dragons were just frosting on the cake. Nobody wants a plate full of frosting.

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Ill_Maintenance5074 Apr 15, 2026 +22

I hope they don't continue down the route of House of Dragon for that movie, I really tried to enjoy that one but... I personally find it so bland. A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms gives me some hope.

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turkeygiant Apr 15, 2026 +11

IMO House of the Dragon is quality acting, but it's missing those sort of adventurous side stories that really helped balance out all the constant noble intrigue in the original GoT series.

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DeficiencyOfGravitas Apr 15, 2026 +16

What it's missing is coherency. The source material is how royalty inevitably leads to moral corruption and entitlement. But the show took that story and made it out strong female characters oppressed by the world of men. Except that it's still following the same story beats, which don't make any sense anymore because of how much they changed the characters to make them poor victims. The whole point is that there are no victims among the royalty. They do it all to themselves because each one thinks they're literally divinely owed the throne. Having one be actually right or actually wrong defeats the entire purpose. It's like you took 1984 and tried to make it about how great the government is while keeping all the same story beats.

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ajukearth Apr 15, 2026 +26

I’m hoping for the best but I don’t know where the core conflict is.

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Alternative-Juice-15 Apr 15, 2026 +5

This will be the new Star Wars where shit is just churned out and dilutes everything

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Dash_Nasty Apr 15, 2026 +13

GoT is making the same mistake I feel Star Wars makes time and time again. Stop with the f****** Skywalkers.

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0xym0r0n Apr 15, 2026 +7

>House of the Dragon is currently gearing up for its third season, likely to premiere in 2026 ahead of its fourth and final season. This sentence makes me think the article is written by AI. The date has been confirmed for a while, and of course the 3rd season will premiere ahead of the 4th season.

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BBQasaurus Apr 15, 2026 +7

> Author George R. R. Martin wrote about the events in Fire & Blood, his **fictionalized** history of the Targaryen dynasty. As opposed to what?

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Ok_Finance_2001 Apr 16, 2026 +4

I think they mean the Fire and Blood book is an in-universe book written by a maester

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Irelannd Apr 15, 2026 +3

The actual story of Aegon’s Conquest is rather boring, it’s just them repeatedly using the dragons cheat code button. A few things could make this interesting however, in my opinion: 1) Show us a prologue and show us Valyria in its heyday. Show us the Blood Magic rituals that gave Targaryens the power they have. Show us Daenys the Dreamer and most importantly show us the doom. If this is to be a movie then that would certainly be cinematic. 2) Expand on Aegon’s the Song of Ice and Fire dream. 3) Have Rhaenys and Visenya be central characters, they are more interesting to me than Aegon anyway and serve as Yin and Yang personalities. 3) Have the movie cover the time period of Aegon’s Conquest -> Death of Maegor. This because it ties the bow nicely to the beginning of HotD but also there’s really just not enough meat on the bones of just Aegon’s conquest imo. We also explore death of each of the 3 conquerors ending with old Visenya and her son.

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Saratje Apr 15, 2026 +3

Absolutely the best format given the compact size of the story of Aegon the Conqueror. A series would have required improvizing a lot of content that isn't canonical just to fill up seasons, inventing rivalries between the sisters to play into Maegor and Aenys and what not. A film allows for focusing on what needs telling without diverting too much from the core story.

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skyppie Apr 16, 2026 +3

I would've preferred Roberts Rebellion.

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Cheap_Wishbone_9734 Apr 15, 2026 +15

Charlie Hunnam, I hope you've already called your agent. He would be the perfect Aegon. I'd also love to see Dakota Fanning as Rhaenys. Now brace yourself for everyone in every comment section forcing the Henry Cavill fancast.

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SerKurtWagner Apr 15, 2026 +9

Charlie Hunnam is nearly 50…

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Cheap_Wishbone_9734 Apr 15, 2026 +2

And? He doesn’t even look 50. And honestly, age isn’t that big a deal in the *Game of Thrones* universe—plenty of actors play characters who are way younger or older than they’re supposed to be in the books. Duncan, for example, is 16 in the book, but in the show he’s played by a 29-year-old.

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SerKurtWagner Apr 15, 2026 +10

They cast characters who look how we expect someone in the role to appear, aged to be more “realistic.” (George himself has admitted he made the main leads too young originally) I just don’t see them casting middle-aged actors as the young Conquerors

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DrKennethNoisewater- Apr 15, 2026 +19

Charlie Hunnam is not a good actor

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hamlet47 Apr 15, 2026 +3

How about Dakota as Visenya and Elle as Rhaenys?

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Cheap_Wishbone_9734 Apr 15, 2026 +3

That would be great too.

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Top_Report_4895 Apr 15, 2026 +4

Henry is Robert

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CalaveraPrimera Apr 15, 2026 +3

I'd love to see him act first instead of ...you know, having the right look only

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excitedprotons Apr 15, 2026 +2

Everytime I think I'm getting sick of more GoT spinoffs, I troll myself because I'm such a sucker for this universe that I'll still lap it all up. As soon as the pilot episode drops, I'm invested all over again. This happened with both HotD (second season was pretty trash though so I don't care for it as much) and AKOTSK. But this particular story adapted as a movie instead of a show is a good idea imo.

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Noodle-Works Apr 15, 2026 +2

im tired.

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WoodpeckerGingivitis Apr 15, 2026 +2

Yawn

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Cyced256 Apr 15, 2026 +2

Seeing balerion on the big screen should be epic

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Ragnarotico Apr 16, 2026 +2

GRRM will literally do everything except write Winds of Winter

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amethystwyvern Apr 16, 2026 +2

Oh great! Another excuse for George to not write anything

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KingRaphion Apr 16, 2026 +2

YES FINALLY WE GET TO SEE BALERION THE BLACK DREAD AND HIS BLACK FIRE

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trix2705 Apr 16, 2026 +2

GoT becoming the new Marvel exhaustion

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Monkeyspazum Apr 16, 2026 +2

Nah, just make more Dunk and Egg

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dumbass-ahedratron Apr 15, 2026 +3

Who is this for

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AdonisBlaqwood-22 Apr 15, 2026 +3

"Beau Willimon, known for his work showrunning Netflix’s House of Cards series and as a writer on Disney+’s Andor, is writing Game of Thrones: Aegon's Conquest." ------- That is VERY promising!

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Eroom2013 Apr 15, 2026 +3

Get ready of a lot of bending of the knee on the big screen.

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thisistherevolt Apr 15, 2026 +3

*stares in tired*

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emotwen Apr 15, 2026 +4

It’s over. Stop already. In the name of the Old Gods.

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ButtPlugForPM Apr 15, 2026 +2

Game of thrones has really falled into the star wars trap though It can't seem to get out of the same condensed timeline or away from the skywalkers/targs There are literally other continents to explore.. do a series about old valayria and the doom or even some of the shady shit in essos with the witches

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Astrosaurus42 Apr 15, 2026 +4

There have only been two spinoffs from the GoT main series (HoTD and AKOTSK). How many spinoffs does Star Wars have from the main movie? 15? 20? All centered around the Skywalker saga. They are in NO way the same.

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bros402 Apr 15, 2026 +15

> falled falled? falled? That isn't a word. It's fallen.

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Taylorenokson Apr 15, 2026 +3

Somehow dragons returned.

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nimama3233 Apr 15, 2026 +2

Tbf, there’s tons of lore to put on screen that GRRM either wrote directly about or at least described tangentially that we know the context to. The issue for Star Wars, IMO, is Hollywood writers are just pulling shit out of their asses to make money by saying it’s in the SW universe. The clone wars was successful for a reason, I find this to be inline with that.

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IntoTheMusic Apr 15, 2026 +2

Old Valayria and the doom would still involve the Targaryens to tell.

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reality_mirage Apr 15, 2026 +2

We're never going to escape this franchise...

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runwkufgrwe Apr 15, 2026 +1

Good f****** luck with Dorne!

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r_lucasite Apr 15, 2026 +1

I’m still one of those people who think this could be interesting from the Targ angle because there’s a lot of stuff about Aegon that feels like it’s purposefully missing to give the guy some intrigue.

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UltimateKaiser Apr 15, 2026 +1

I just want to see the scene of them leaving Valyria and getting ANY adaptation of what it looked like

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bibbidybobbidyboobs Apr 15, 2026 +1

I'm sure it will require a great deal of time-consuming involvement by George!

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aceboogie271984 Apr 15, 2026 +1

yes

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InterestingBottle481 Apr 15, 2026 +1

Theatrical ?

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Andy_McSwag Apr 15, 2026 +1

They’ll do anything but Robert’s Rebellion huh

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Pg3132 Apr 15, 2026 +1

To 2027... and beyond!

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