He was married to Kimberly Guilfoyle. That makes me question everything about him.
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SkirtsteakforlifeMar 26, 2026
+17
Trump was a democrat then and went to Chelsea Clinton’s wedding
17
Zestyclose-Novel1157Mar 26, 2026
+4
Exactly.
4
FCCRFPMar 27, 2026
+1
Poor girl having to of the most infamous rapists of all time in that close proximity couldn't have been easy.
1
stonertbonerMar 26, 2026
+3
It was a different time. You could actually date or marry somebody with different political views and nobody cared. She also wasn’t as batshit crazy as she is now.
3
UnshkblefaithMar 26, 2026
+10
I don't think either of those observations are particularly true or relevant. Newsom's political views are most accurately summarized by "whatever he thinks will get him elected" and Guifoyle has also always been a grifter. She realized that the Trumps were her ticket to more wealth and influence and jumped on board.
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olearygreenMar 26, 2026
-8
“Whatever will get him elected” aka a moderate position?
I like almost everything about Newsom, he’s what the democrats need to get back from Trump. I’m sure the party won’t give him the chance and go for another protectionist union lover like Biden and get handsomely rewarded by the voters.
-8
MrLuridMar 26, 2026
+173
>A few weeks ago, California Gov. Gavin Newsom, D, surprised many on the left when he broke with establishment Democratic protocol and likened Israel to an “apartheid state.” But then, in another twist, he said in an interview that he regretted using the term — and that he “reveres” the state of Israel.
The only thing Newsom is good for is trolling [redacted] on social media.
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purr_petalsMar 26, 2026
+87
For real, the "Newsom Flip-Flop" should be an Olympic sport at this point. He throws a bone to the progressive base to get some headlines, realizes he might have actually annoyed his donor class, and then spends the next week aggressively backpedaling. It’s not leadership; it’s just calculated brand management for 2028.
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valraven38Mar 26, 2026
+15
People's views on him are heavily skewed by the social media shit that isn't even him. He is such an unlikable person if you actually listen to him speak and hear what his views are. I won't say that he is everything that is wrong with the Democratic party, that is Chuck Schumer, but he isn't that far off.
15
Available-Throwaway6Mar 26, 2026
+7
Love your use of [REDACTED]. Should be referred to as such from now on.
Also release the full files.
7
aradraugfeaMar 26, 2026
+3
As much as that guy loves his own name, if we can exclusively refer to him as [Redacted], get the press (even small press) in on it? It’ll drive him mad
3
Available-Throwaway6Mar 26, 2026
+1
Put it on red hats?
1
aradraugfeaMar 26, 2026
+1
But you’d have to find someone willing to wear a red hat in public that isn’t a MAGAT.
1
Available-Throwaway6Mar 26, 2026
+1
But the high fives from MAGAt would be golden.
Edit: to stay on topic, we should make the hat and send it to Newsome
[REDACTED]
Make America Great Again
2026
Copy their font, stars, and all.
1
FBS351Mar 26, 2026
+12
He's also serving as a lightning rod for right wing media. I'm OK with him being the "front runner" for the next year, as long as we get an open primary. Let Fox spend a lot of time beating him up. Either he responds or they've wasted a lot of time.
12
parasyte_steveMar 26, 2026
+4
He won't get very far in the dem primary by sucking Israel's d***. We are looking for a Mamdani.
4
OrtimusPrimeMar 26, 2026
-10
If we end up with "a Mamdani" as the front runner, we'll end up with a republican president.
-10
plightroMar 26, 2026
+13
If we end up with yet another neolib as the front runner, we'll end up with a republican president.
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DirkdekingMar 26, 2026
-1
Trump was a unique candidate. A neolib dem is capable of defeating Vance. Especially with all the shit of the then past 4 years.
-1
plightroMar 26, 2026
+4
"No guys really it'll work this time I swear just one more neolib the republicans are bad enough that people will totally hold their noses trust me"
That's the spirit.
4
Jorge_Santos69Mar 26, 2026
-2
Shit literally worked the election before last.
-2
plightroMar 26, 2026
+3
Anything else going on at that time that may have skewed the results?
Maybe some once in a lifetime shit you shouldn't be hanging your hat on to influence the next one?
3
SpiritualB0x3Mar 26, 2026
+4
This is the trend for politics starting 2016, future generation will vote for tiktokers and other stupid shit trolls/influencers or they may choose an “intellectual” from some popular podcast.
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DirkdekingMar 26, 2026
+1
It was better to not have said it was an apartheid state at all, than to say it and then walk it back. He has cornered himself by saying that. Without a statement like that in the first place he could have situated himself in such a way to avoid significant blowback from either side.
1
MaximumTomatoMar 26, 2026
-3
The full quote in the article seems to be “Do I consider myself a Zionist? I revere the state of Israel. I’m proud to support the state of Israel. I deeply, deeply oppose Bibi Netanyahu’s leadership.”
Honestly, with the second half of the quote it seems much better?
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tweda4Mar 26, 2026
+3
Not much better.
When was the last time you heard a politician say they "revere" a foreign nation? This is also after likening Israel to an "Apartheid State".
He's a coward feigning being an Israeli nationalist for AIPAC money. Not a good look.
3
HowardBunnyColvinMar 26, 2026
+48
He's not the answer Democrats are looking for.
So now, if Newsom isn't the solution in 2028, who is? Pritzker?
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aradraugfeaMar 26, 2026
+38
Here’s a novel idea. How about whoever wins the Democratic Primary in a process free from fingers on the scale and back room deals to prop up individual candidates?
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HowardBunnyColvinMar 26, 2026
+11
This is the problem with the Democrats. Too many shady backroom deals to prop up people that the populace didn't vote for. "You'll take Kamala and like it."
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aradraugfeaMar 26, 2026
+21
In that case, it was a matter of Biden deciding not to run way too late in the process for a primary, and some finance rules.
I’m thinking more when everyone dropped out of 2020 and threw their support behind Biden to consolidate the “not Bernie” vote. Or when the DNC was basically changing rules last minute to benefit Hillary.
Basically, all the shit done to sink Bernie specifically.
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Rebal771Mar 26, 2026
+4
I’m with you 100%, but please please please DO NOT excuse 2024.
Democrats need to be held accountable for the failure to the American people just as much there as they did in 2016. Because they fumbled so f****** hard, we got stuck with Trump.
Thems the rules of a two-party system - you don’t play favorites or make excuses for ineptitude. Ever.
I’m not endorsing any republicans at all…but we owe it to ourselves and our posterity to raise the standards for all political participation. Not just the ones that give us the warm fuzzies.
4
tooolongdontreadMar 26, 2026
+1
I still think it’s extremely hard to argue that Democrats failed in 2016. Hillary Clinton was a great candidate, she dedicated her entire life to public service, she was more qualified and prepared to lead the country on day 1 than anyone to ever seek the office.
The American people failed in 2016, just like we failed again in 2024. I know that’s not a great political message, but too many people keep holding it against Democrats for not being able to fix mistakes they never actually made. Obviously we should have high standards for our leaders, we should demand better from Democratic leaders, but we need the American electorate to be better too.
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Rebal771Mar 26, 2026
+1
Hillary‘s qualifications do not supersede the will of the American people.
Full stop. Her presidential candidacy in 2016 is not under scrutiny because of what she did in the past, and it doesn’t exonerate the DNC from the criticism that they rightfully deserve.
Hillary is not to blame for 2016, and neither are the Democrat voters. The fault of that election falls wholly, purely, and squarely on DNC leadership.
1
jweezy2045Mar 27, 2026
+1
How did the democrats fail in 2024 exactly?
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aradraugfeaMar 26, 2026
+1
Oh, Biden should have never “changed his mind” and entertained a second term. The “sleepy old dude” stuff was already sticking to him, and all it took was one debate on NyQuil and suddenly it was true to the public. Biden needed to do what he said he’d do and be a one term president. He had too much baggage to run again, even if he was legitimately doing a pretty good job on everything but the “hold criminals accountable” front.
But when he dropped out once we were close enough to the elections that debates were underway, the DNC was forced into a problem with no good solutions. Primary season had already come and gone, that whole thing is WEIRDLY codified, and any spirited debate would have left them even less time to try and get approval to coalesce around their candidate.
Was Harris the right choice? Apparently not. But I can understand the calculus there. Don’t know how accurate it is (and strangling themselves with made up rules of order is the Democratic brand at this point) but they said the only way their rules would let them keep the Biden war chest was if someone on that ticket was running. And waltz was a decent VP pick, and honestly did a better job on the campaign trail than Harris.
The outcome sucks, but the situation sucked. Biden gave us Trump 2.0. First by appointing an almost criminally centrist person to slow roll the investigation, and finally by deciding to run IN HIS 80s when his age had already been a subject of discussion his entire first term, and however many little micro-betrayals in between.
I understand the logic that lead to the decisions, but it’s bone headed logic if it lets one side cheat and binds the other side so tightly to the rules that they can’t even eject the cheater from the game.
And look, I’m gonna fight like hell during the primaries to get someone other than Newsom through the process. “Hates Trump” cannot be the only qualification someone has. I don’t think any of the 16 fuckers who will probably turn up to run are campaigning to keep Trump into office. Not unless Jill Stein switches parties.
Hates Trump isn’t president material. Going forward, it should be the basic price of admission to any political process. I don’t want anyone who looks at the last year and a half and goes “good governance” to be allowed to pick an appetizer for the table, let alone make decisions for the whole country.
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tooolongdontreadMar 26, 2026
+1
The DNC did not change any rules or do anything to unfairly benefit Hillary Clinton in 2016. She just won the primary, there was nothing controversial about it. There are definitely plenty of things to criticize about the Democratic establishment, but the idea that there was anything shady about the 2016 primary is literally just Russian/Republican propaganda.
They are going to do everything in their power to convince progressives that they are being treated unfairly in 2028, and we have to be smarter about not falling for that scam.
1
jweezy2045Mar 27, 2026
+1
Do you prefer Trump to Harris?
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tooolongdontreadMar 26, 2026
+14
It’s way too early to do any of this. The last thing Democrats should want right now is to have a consensus candidate, we know nothing good can come from that. And we also need to avoid framing Newsom as the favorite of the establishment/donor class, someone who isn’t progressive enough and who wouldn’t actually do anything good even if he were to win a national election. We also know that nothing good will come from that narrative, because we have seen it many times.
Republicans can only win national elections if the left is divided. That’s why the conservative propaganda machine is already feeding progressives stories that make Newsom out to be the establishment hack they all fear so much. We desperately need to avoid turning the 2028 primary into another “good progressive vs bad establishment” battle, that is literally the best possible thing that can happen for the next Republican candidate.
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Bulky_Preparation768Mar 26, 2026
+8
How is it too early?
(Also f*** Gavin Newsom, I’ll never vote for this Nazi loving transphobe)
8
MHathMar 26, 2026
+10
Because a lot will happen between now and then.
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tooolongdontreadMar 26, 2026
+4
Because it is early 2026, the election is in 2028. We have a full midterm cycle to go through before then. Having a consensus candidate this early gives conservatives time to destroy that candidate’s reputation, even among people who do not consume conservative propaganda. Hillary Clinton was a great candidate, her actual record had broad appeal to progressives, liberals, moderates, and really anyone who wants a qualified and dedicated public servant to be president. But she became an incredibly divisive figure, not because of anything she actually did or said, but because of conservative propaganda.
Clinton is an extreme case, because she was a prominent public figure for so long before she ran for president. But the principle is the same, Republicans can ruin any Democratic politician they see as a threat, especially when they see that person coming. It’s obviously fine if you don’t want Newsom to be the next Democratic candidate, I agree with you on that. We should campaign hard for our preferred candidates when the time comes. But calling Newsom a “Nazi loving transphobe”
is literally the best thing you can do to help Republicans win in 2028. We just don’t have to go down that road again, the 2028 primary doesn’t have to be a “progressives vs establishment” battle that leaves everyone angry and unsatisfied. Conservatives are already working to turn it into that, and we have to be smarter about it.
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HudabazMar 26, 2026
Hilary did not win for the same reason Biden and Harris didnt: they did not show Alpha Traits for the emotional voters to trust. even [Redacted] has it.
0
Ok_Objective_5192Mar 26, 2026
+1
\>And we also need to avoid framing Newsom as the favorite of the establishment/donor class, someone who isn’t progressive enough and who wouldn’t actually do anything good even if he were to win a national election. We also know that nothing good will come from that narrative, because we have seen it many times.
Is the argument that that narrative is what cost Kamala and/or Hillary the election? I'd argue that the framing was 100% accurate for them and viewing that as a "harmful narrative" and not "the vocalized view of the growing, young base of the party" is why we ran them anyways to disastrous effect. If everybody is going to f****** hate Newsom as candidate (which they should), then it's better they vocalize it now before the party apparatus decides "surely the progressive base will suck it up \*this time\*" and costs us another election against legitimate fascists.
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tooolongdontreadMar 26, 2026
Yes, that narrative did significant damage to Hillary especially, and it was always bullshit. Hillary Clinton was a great candidate for progressives. She devoted her entire life to serving progressive causes, going all the way back to her days in college, law school, and Arkansas, well before she was a public figure.
It was good politics for Bernie’s campaign to turn her into the evil establishment figure who didn’t want good things to happen, but that was never even close to true. And his supporters took it too far, they let themselves get fooled by obvious Russian propaganda about the primary being rigged, and a lot of that had some very ugly sexism behind it. The 2016 loss certainly isn’t all on the people who pushed that “Hillary is the evil establishment” narrative, but they contributed to it, and we all need to be better in 2028.
0
Ok_Objective_5192Mar 26, 2026
+1
\>Hillary Clinton was a great candidate for progressives. She devoted her entire life to serving progressive causes, going all the way back to her days in college, law school, and Arkansas, well before she was a public figure.
That was the first election I voted in and I was very young, so I'm open to being wrong on this but frankly it would take one hell of a convincing argument, unless you're talking about progressivism purely through the lens of social issues. If you've got the time, would you mind making the case for her (or Kamala, if you prefer, as the two Democratic candidates to lose in my adult life) as a progressive candidate?
I came in kind of hot but genuinely would love to yap about this in good faith, I think we both correctly view this divide as the biggest risk if we get an election in '28, just with very different prescriptions for the solution ("vote blue no matter who" vs. "Please god just run somebody that visibly prioritizes the working class over their donors")
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Constant-Skill-7133Mar 26, 2026
+1
The way you avoid that dynamic is by not running an empty suit in the first place. How about we need to worry about turning the contest into establishment v nothing?
How can he be so beholden to donors that he has to walk back criticizing settler violence? Who is the pro annexation constituency, exactky? To criticizing a genocidal war his base has been solidly against for at least two years now?
And also so sloppy he doesn't realize that is his stance ahead of time? He actually had to take a call from that donor to realize he had a leash? HE didn't even know what his position was. That's rank incompetence.
And he is literally broadcasting how he will handle these conflicts. He will hear pushback on his progressive pretensions and immediately respond by lying and slurping up a mouthful of billionaire c***.
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CarmineFieldsMar 26, 2026
+17
Talarico.
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redpoemageMar 26, 2026
+16
Ideally he’ll be too busy in the Senate.
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LionTigerWingsMar 26, 2026
-5
Go with who resonates with the people. Right now that’s talerico. If he wins senate now and keeps momentum it would be criminal to have him as just a senator.
His message is hitting hard right now with how divisive this current administration is. In 2032 or 2036, we might need a different type of person, who knows.
-5
Ra_InMar 26, 2026
+11
We can't give up a senate seat unless the replacement is guaranteed to be a Democrat. Especially if Fetterman continues to vote with the Republicans.
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LionTigerWingsMar 26, 2026
-5
You go with the candidate that gives you the best shot of winning. If you lose a senate seat because of it, that sucks, but it is what it is.
-5
Huntah54Mar 26, 2026
+7
Not a TEXAS seat turning blue. This is how you get deadlocked and impotent despite winning the presidency (Look st Obama's second term)
Talarico needs time to learn as well. He would make a stronger VP to a future AOC run than a rushed preisdential right off the bat.
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preventDefaultMar 26, 2026
+3
I love AOC but this country isn’t voting for a brown woman. 😔
3
abenevolentmouseMar 26, 2026
+1
This country can go suck a d***. We vote the person who has a platform and sticks to their beliefs via voting record and is the most popular among the country. No more DNC sabotage stunting leftist populism
1
ehowardhuntMar 26, 2026
+2
What if he loses the election? As a Texan, I’m sad to admit it, but I still just don’t see enough people outside of the metro areas ready to vote Dem here. I worry that Texas is still decades away from what everyone here hopes for.
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LionTigerWingsMar 26, 2026
He's polling pretty well and without trump on the ballot, maga is less likely to show up. Dems have been doing well lately with solid red districts.
0
Jorge_Santos69Mar 26, 2026
+2
I mean literally everything you’re saying was also true for Beto.
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LionTigerWingsMar 26, 2026
+2
Beto didn’t have any significant support from Christians.
Also, nationally dems are just winning elections right now in a way that wasn’t true with betos time.
2
CrimsonCringe925Mar 26, 2026
+10
I’m atheist af, I’d vote for him or Crocket
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CarmineFieldsMar 26, 2026
+3
He seems to get what Christianity is supposed to be about.
3
BigHungryFlamingoMar 26, 2026
+6
I liked Crockett until I discovered who her donors are. Not too comfortable with the crypto ties.
Talarico all day. I’d be fine with Pritzker too.
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FallOk5618Mar 26, 2026
+2
Yes. If he can win the Senate race in Texas, he is as formidable as Obama was for the presidency - by fracturing ‘republican Jesus’ demographic and expose christian nationalism for the heresy that it is.
Newsom panders to voters but serves donor class.
Piker appropriately stated he would shift his vote to a third party if he was [shoved out to voters as democrat nominee](https://youtube.com/shorts/LYmdvieK_kg?si=HQyotzQ7WIPB5j4t).
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NCSUGrad2012Mar 26, 2026
+4
Andy Beshar
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UltimateM13Mar 26, 2026
Ro Khanna is a good choice too. There’s also Elizabeth Warren.
0
Eagle4317Mar 26, 2026
+16
Warren is too old. The Dems need to find someone who isn't beholden to Israel (or any other foreign power) and also wasn't born before the Moon Landing.
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UltimateM13Mar 26, 2026
+12
So Ro Khanna?
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Showy_BoneyardMar 26, 2026
+3
I think Chris Van Halen has some real potential
3
socialistForDEMar 26, 2026
+1
He went on the majority report and just was doing standard shitlib stuff. Wouldnt say Chuck Schumer is bad, wouldn't say we should do Medicare for all, pushing tax cuts instead of using taxes for services
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doyouevenIiftMar 26, 2026
+2
Remember when Warren made up accusations of Bernie being sexist because she was doing poorly in the polls
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Jorge_Santos69Mar 26, 2026
-1
No, I remember Bernie supporters acting sexist as shit against her
-1
TheMovesMar 26, 2026
I'm hoping for a John Brown type
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XitenMar 26, 2026
-8
Kelly
-8
Oborozuki1917Mar 26, 2026
+4
Took tons and tons of aipac money
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GrafZeppelin127Mar 26, 2026
Still better than Newsom, but we can hope for better.
0
ol_dirty_applesauceMar 26, 2026
+37
Dude looks AND ACTS like a prototypical spineless, weasel politician. Almost cartoonish.
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Ven18Mar 26, 2026
+24
The guy is the Dems Mitt Romney and every day he proves the comparison more and more correct.
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GrafZeppelin127Mar 26, 2026
I’d compare him to our Ron DeSantis, actually.
0
TheVintageJaneMar 26, 2026
+7
For those of you who watched Parks and Rec. he reminds me of the senator that Ben Wyatt and April ran the campaign for in DC. Like a robot who stares blankly into space until he’s needed then powers up to recite a line and smile.
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breakevencloudMar 26, 2026
+8
Yep, agreed. When I picture a stereotypical slick, greasy looking conman from a cartoon…it’s basically Gavin.
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jizzlevaniaMar 26, 2026
-1
he looks like he's going sell me a car that's had its odometer rolled back
-1
UghFudgeBwanaMar 26, 2026
-1
He looks like what you'd get if you tried to grow a stereotypical politician in a lab
-1
PsychologicalCase10Mar 26, 2026
+4
Any Democrat giving unconditional support for Israel is not one I’ll be voting for in the primaries.
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witchgroveMar 26, 2026
+11
It's because he's a shitty candidate. Stop propping him up.
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samsaruhhhMar 26, 2026
+9
Please can we vote for someone slightly authentic for the love of god man not newsom!!!
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StickaFORKinMyEyeMar 27, 2026
+1
He's authentically slick and smarmy.
1
J-the-KidderMar 26, 2026
+8
Our political system has essentially become Manchurian Candidates, but the brainwashing is AIPAC money. Utterly pathetic.
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BlochamolesauceMar 26, 2026
+2
F***, I’m old enough to remember the media labeling John Kerry as a flip-flop. But this is some Olympic level tumbling gymnastics.
2
Rainy_JMar 26, 2026
+5
I may be in the minority, but I can't get a grasp on his true political beliefs. He seems to blow with the wind ( or money )
5
Intelligent_One9023Mar 26, 2026
+4
Bring back journalism that doesn't tell you how to feel about the story 🙄
Feels like society collectively went back to kindergarten
4
Redshirt_Welshy_NoooMar 26, 2026
+2
> If that's the way the wind is blowing, let no one say that I don't also blow.
~~Mayor Quimby~~ Gavin Newsom
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IribumkiakMar 26, 2026
+3
Givin Newsom is an empty suit.
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Oborozuki1917Mar 26, 2026
+2
I’m not gonna vote for him or anyone else that doesn’t have a strong anti-war and anti-Israel stance in 2028. This guy stands for nothing except what billionaires tell him.
2
crwnfrgMar 26, 2026
-3
Exactly why I won't be voting for Newsom or Pritzker, we already know which side they're on and it's not the side of the American people. And for those pushing the "lesser evil" lie... No, those who serve the corporate oligarchy ARE the evil, and the exact people who paved the way for someone like Trump to get elected in the first place.
-3
InternetsUserMar 26, 2026
-7
Yeah, vote for Stein and guarantee another Republican president. The Dems are just the same as the Republicans amiright?
-7
crwnfrgMar 26, 2026
+1
Why are you spamming this comment? I never said a word about Stein nor have I ever voted for her. 1) I live in a w*****-take-all state so no actually, my vote guarantees nothing. It effectively doesn't count for federal elections. 2) Besides the progressive/noncorrupt wing of the party... yeah, they're effectively the same party in my eyes, they just pretend to play good cop/bad cop. 3) If the Dems want to win... pick a good and popular candidate. It's the most simple solution in the world. I think people like YOU are the ones who will guarantee a Republican, not me.
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InternetsUserMar 26, 2026
-2
If you think this is the same party as the Republicans you need to pay better attention. We need to vote out the republicans first before purity testing our side.
-2
crwnfrgMar 26, 2026
+1
They take bribes from all the same people. They do the bidding of the same lobbies and corporations. They make backroom deals so no matter who's in charge, donors get everything and the people get nothing. They're not fighting back against the Republicans AT ALL. Idk which "our side" you're referring to. My side is the American people, and if a politician is corrupt and willing to sell out the people, they are the enemy. Period end of story.
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InternetsUserMar 26, 2026
-1
Even if you were right, one side is doing more damage right now. It's not even close. One side is more corrupt. It's not even close. Sometimes you have to be a big boy and pick the better option and it isn't third party or Republican. Make the right decision.... For the American people.
-1
crwnfrgMar 26, 2026
+2
Why don't YOU make the right decision by rooting for a better candidate? I'm extremely confused why we're dickriding Newsom before we've even hit midterms, but if you really want to go there, how about you present an actually persuasive and substantive argument regarding his politics? Cuz this fake guilt thing really isn't doing it. With peace and love.
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InternetsUserMar 26, 2026
Yeah, vote for Stein and guarantee another Republican president. The Dems are just the same as the Republicans amiright?
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plightroMar 26, 2026
+6
Weird how instead of saying "yeah I too want a candidate with popular and undeniably good stances" you jump right into "you must want to help the republicans then"
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Oborozuki1917Mar 26, 2026
+6
1) I didn't vote for Stein
2) I'm a voter in CA, my voting had not affect on the election outcome. Do you know how electoral college works?
3) Harris got 6 million less votes in 2024 than Biden did in 2020. While Trump only gained 3 million votes. Meaning 3 million people decided to stay home. Just admit that Harris was a corporate candidate that people didn't want and run a better candidate next time.
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InternetsUserMar 26, 2026
+1
Right so if he's the candidate you'd rather have a Republican win. Got it. We're not on the same side.
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Oborozuki1917Mar 26, 2026
+3
Right, so instead of advocating democrats nominate a good candidate 3 years before the election you’d rather let republicans win. Got it.
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InternetsUserMar 26, 2026
+1
"advocating" with an unequivocal statement that you wouldn't vote for newsome unless (insert purity test here). You obviously haven't been paying attention to how bad the Republicans are. I implore you to read up on it.
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Oborozuki1917Mar 26, 2026
+3
Being against genocide is a “purity test?”
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Kinky_LogginsMar 26, 2026
+4
You do realize its people exactly like yourself that give us lukewarm neoliberal candidates who get trounced by Republicans, right?
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InternetsUserMar 26, 2026
+5
And people like you who see an imperfect dem and then don't vote or vote third party. Let's just agree to not let the Republicans win regardless of the dem candidate this year. How about it?
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ball_fondlersMar 26, 2026
+2
Hi there. Also a Dem voter in CA, also voted blue no matter who the last four presidential elections, also not going to vote for Newsom if he’s the nominee. And while I’m sure you’ve stopped reading, because god knows there’s nothing neolibs love more than to do nothing but run through your little dialogue tree to browbeat and ignore the left, and then go surprised Pikachu when you lose, I’ll explain why.
For the entire time I’ve been voting, ICE funding and recruitment has gone up. Regardless of whether it was a Democratic or Republican administration. And now it’s one of the largest ARMIES in the world, with an obscenely sweeping mandate to trample over civil liberties. Several of the agents involved in the shootings in Minneapolis were hired in the Obama administration - Obama gave f****** Tom Homan a goddamn medal, and he was just as insane then as he is now. Denaturalization wasn’t even a word we were hearing 6-10 years ago, but Biden folding on immmigration normalized the far-right position on it enough that DHS is able to f****** tweet about removing a hundred million people, with almost zero pushback from non-progressive Democrats. The “you’re an accelerationist if you don’t vote for ANOTHER centrist Democrat” holds ZERO water anymore - on this issue, BOTH sides are accelerationists, the Democrats just don’t push the pedal as hard as Republicans. They’ll just silently hire Nazis and then lose so the next Republican administration can let said Nazis off the chain. So yeah, if the nominee is not willing to abolish ICE, I’m not going to vote for them, plain and simple. If Newsom wins and continues the same trend, the best-case scenario is a four-year respite before an actual Nazi beats him and denaturalizes me.
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Joy_In_MudvilleMar 26, 2026
I dunno, I’m ok with placing some of the blame on the 3 million Americans who looked at Harris & Trump and couldn’t decide who was worse.
Voting for president isn’t like going to the candy store, where you can afford to pass if your favorite possible option isn’t available. We should be looking at it like going to a cafeteria where your options are gruel, slop, or starve. I wish it served ribeye steaks and spaghetti carbonara too, but we have to realize that the cafeteria will shut down if we decide starving is preferable to eating.
With the last few elections, the democrats have at least been serving up food, unpalatable though it may be. The republicans are offering plates of literal human excrement. The people choosing to starve aren’t quite as stupid as the people ordering the republican entree, but it’s closer than they think.
And both groups can eat shit.
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rossgoldieMar 26, 2026
-4
Yeah because people not voting for Harris over the same thing worked out well. I’m sure the Middle East is very thankful over your brave stance. /s
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Oborozuki1917Mar 26, 2026
+4
And yelling at people who didn't want to vote for Harris worked out so well last time. Keep doing it. /s
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MilkshakeSocialistMar 26, 2026
+5
If the choice is between fascism or moving a single inch left, centrist Democrats will chose fascism every single time. And blame everyone but themselves for it.
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luri7555Mar 26, 2026
+2
America chose this chaos because it was more appealing than what Dems offered. If another vote happened today it would go the same. Why can’t democrats see this and change their message? It’s been over ten years of “vote for our lame candidate or else fascism”. That’s not speaking to voters anymore. It’s preaching to them.
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discopirate2000Mar 26, 2026
+3
Don't worry, we will.
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rossgoldieMar 26, 2026
-2
Because Trump giving Israel free rein was better than moving a hair left? These purity tests for democrats is why the far right gained so much traction. Yes I would have loved someone more left than Harris but you gotta step back and look at the larger implications sometimes.
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ChemSTutorMar 26, 2026
+5
Really? I couldn't tell if she was left, far left, to the side, off the side, 1 inch, 2 inches, 1 foot. She was like Seinfeld - a show about nothing. That she strategically avoided answering about anything in concrete terms, made it impossible to know exactly what side the dems or Kamala were taking, to indicate what steps they would take if they won.
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Oborozuki1917Mar 26, 2026
+5
Keep vote shaming people who don’t want to vote for genocide. It worked out great last time! /s
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Kinky_LogginsMar 26, 2026
+3
It was the suburbs and moderates who lost Harris the election, not progressives.
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plightroMar 26, 2026
+1
Hey why didn't people vote for Harris "over the same thing"?
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ChemSTutorMar 26, 2026
-1
Hindsight is 20/20
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IrivinMar 26, 2026
+2
Unfortunately, if there’s one thing US politicians seem to unanimously agree on, it’s the political consequences of \*not\* supporting Israel are worse than losing potential voters for supporting them.
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Creepy-Fig929Mar 26, 2026
+5
It makes sense because there are a lot of Israel lobbyists groups in America not just aipac.
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Gurney_HackmanMar 26, 2026
+2
Why do so many people want “White Male Kamala Harris” as their nominee?
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cloudedknifeMar 26, 2026
-2
Words have meanings.
Genocide. Apartheid. Ethno-state.
These are words that have been being used to attack Israel and those who support its existence and right to defend itself, even if they don't support how Israel defends itself.
These are words that are being used inaccurately - which are having their their broadened/diluted to fit their new use. In doing so, they are words that are losing import and diminishing by comparison, the suffering of those who suffer or suffered under events that fit the traditional definition of these words.
Same goes for Zionist - a word that just means "someone who believes that now that Israel exists as the homeland of the Jewish People, it should continue to," and nothing else. You can be a zionist AND be completely opposed to settler violence in the west bank, and how Israel doesn't come anywhere near close enough to discouraging or punishing it, for example. And you can be a zionist that disapproves, and understand that apartheid is not a meaningful description for what is going on there.
Those who misuse these words (or use other words) to attack people that disagree with them, prevent any discussion with them, even by people that would agree with some but not all of their views. And, because necessarily agreeing with all of those views in fact puts 10million people at risk of actual genocide, desired by surrounding literal ethnostates with more in common with apartheid than Israel, a public figure who does not agree with all of it, cannot allow themselves to be seen to validate any of it or else they risk their partial agreement being misused as full support.
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soalone34Mar 26, 2026
+10
Nope, not only have the largest human rights groups in the world and the largest in Israel called Israel’s occupation an apartheid, the panel of experts at the ICJ ruled it as apartheid, and South African anti apartheid activists visited Palestine and said it was more brutal than the apartheid they grew up in, but even the former head of mossad and former head of shin bet have admitted it is apartheid after years of working at the highest levels of Israel’s security establishment.
In addition, even multiple Israeli genocide and holocaust scholars have said Israel’s actions in Gaza constitute genocide, as have amnesty international, human rights watch, and btselem, the two largest human rights organizations in the world and largest in Israel.
> Same goes for Zionist - a word that just means "someone who believes that now that Israel exists as the homeland of the Jewish People, it should continue to," and nothing else. You can be a zionist AND be completely opposed to settler violence in the west bank
If that’s what Zionist means, why have israel supporters in the US not lobbied the US government to sanction settlements or threaten to withhold military aid to Israel while it maintains illegal settlements? Why are they not organizing boycotts of the settlements? The settlement project has been in the process for decades.
All they have done is try to censor or destroy the careers of people who try to take a stand against the atrocities.
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ChemSTutorMar 26, 2026
-3
I want to hug you. This is exactly the problem with current rhetoric on the far lef. Even if one disagrees on how Israel defends itself, it's unrealistic to expect normal educated/working people who are active in the economy (you know, actual taxpayers) to align with a party which neither condemns nor educates constituents, and allows them to inappropriately (disproportionately, unfairly) apply these terms, to any people, including the Jews, US or Israeli.
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soalone34Mar 26, 2026
+5
They aren’t being applied unfairly. Expert consensus is israel maintains an apartheid and the actions in Gaza are genocide or at least genocidal.
See almost every human rights organization and international legal body of relevance, in addition to even former israeli officials and scholars.
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ChemSTutorMar 26, 2026
+2
People are mixing very different institutions and calling it “expert consensus” is doing a lot of work there. These terms aren’t beyond debate—they’re highly contested, and presenting them as settled fact is exactly the kind of overreach people are pushing back on.
And when people say “almost every international body,” they’re usually lumping together NGOs with political UN bodies - but those don’t operate the same way and don’t treat countries equally. So it’s not that “everyone agrees”—it’s that people are conflating advocacy groups, political bodies, and courts that operate very differently.
NGOs like Amnesty and HRW criticize Israel a lot—but they also publish extensive reports on China, North Korea, Iran, Syria, and Russia, so it’s not unique.
The real outlier is the UN: Israel is the only country with a permanent agenda item and gets more resolutions than most of the world combined in some years.
For example, Israel typically gets 3–5 resolutions per session, while countries like Syria (\~500,000+ deaths), Yemen (\~300,000+ deaths), or North Korea (decades of crimes against humanity findings) usually get about one each. In the United Nations General Assembly, Israel often receives \~15–20 resolutions per year—sometimes more than the rest of the world combined.
But when you look at actual courts—the ICJ and ICC—there’s no ruling that genocide has occurred, and no legal “consensus.”
That doesn’t mean Israel shouldn’t be criticized—but it does show the level of attention isn’t proportional, and it’s not evidence of some uniform legal consensus.
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plightroMar 26, 2026
+1
>far left
Three fingers meme.
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plightroMar 26, 2026
>Words have meanings.
:::proceeds to drop a whole-ass bad take showing that they don't understand those meanings::
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lobotomy42Mar 26, 2026
-1
It’s fascinating to me how Israel/Palestine became the litmus test for the left.
It’s an issue that directly affects only a very tiny portion of Americans (and not many more Europeans.) But I think precisely because so few people have direct experience or relationships with either Israel or Palestine, it’s easy to demand people take extreme binary positions with relatively little regard for the actual outcomes for people living in either country.
My sincere hope for discourse on this issue is that it moves past sloganeering and historical gotcha questions and focuses on the human beings and the lived experience of people who live in the region and how to improve their lives in the long term.
And yes, to the extent the US plays a role here, it very much is to pressure all involved governments (most notably Israel, but not exclusively) to building a future for everyone not relitigating the very painful histories of everyone involved.
A good clue that someone is not honestly invested in this is that they want to argue over words (genocide, apartheid, terrorist, resistance, zionist etc) instead of talk about human beings or outcomes
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soalone34Mar 26, 2026
+6
> It’s fascinating to me how Israel/Palestine became the litmus test for the left.
Because the unconditional support for israel has been the litmus test for decades
> It’s an issue that directly affects only a very tiny portion of Americans (and not many more Europeans.)
Not really, attacks like 9/11 were motivated in part by US support for israel, also see current gas prices
> My sincere hope for discourse on this issue is that it moves past sloganeering and historical gotcha questions and focuses on the human beings and the lived experience of people who live in the region and how to improve their lives in the long term.
That’s what is happening now, it’s just that prior to this pushback it was sloganeering and gotcha questions in favor of Israel’s war crimes and a complete shut down of criticism against it.
> A good clue that someone is not honestly invested in this is that they want to argue over words (genocide, apartheid, terrorist, resistance, zionist etc) instead of talk about human beings or outcomes
No, those are legal words with specific meanings and war crimes. It’s necessary to categorize them to be aware of what one is guilty of being complicit in.
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lobotomy42Mar 26, 2026
-3
I don't think it's much comfort to an innocent civilian, killed as part of a perpetual re-occurring violent conflict, to tell them "Well, you're still dead, and people are still dying, but don't worry, we got the lawyers together and applied the correct labels to your death."
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cloudedknifeMar 26, 2026
I was with you right up to the last sentence. I don't *want* to argue about words. But I have to. Language matters. Words matter. Their misuse allows for dishonesty at worst, and misunderstanding at best.
I can't have a productive or good faith conversation with someone about outcomes and people, if they (mis)use words as a means of attack and exclusion...especially since every time I've tried, they use that language as an excuse not to engage me because I won't agree that those attack words all apply to Israel without reservation.
One can discuss the west bank without using the word apartheid. One can discuss Gaza without using the words genocide, concentration camp, or open air prison. One can discuss Israel without calling it an ethnostate. Those who insist on using those terms, don't seem to be open to a productive or good faith discussion about people and outcomes in that region.
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ultralightdudeMar 26, 2026
+1
He really should say the truth... with Netanyahu, or any Zionist in power, Israel are not the good guys the media are trying to make them out to be. It's a lot like... the U.S. under Trump. Un-checked rule, secret police, and a military that *seems* OK with illegal orders.
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Fartenstein65Mar 26, 2026
+1
This man should not be the Democratic nominee in ‘28. Establishment Dems need to go.
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julianlavreau2026Mar 26, 2026
+1
I contributed money to a lot of Democrats over the years. After the genocide in Gaza and the Democrat's homogeneous support of those atrocities I stopped. I am no longer a Democrat and I will not vote for any politician who is pro-Israel.
Israel is a security and economic threat to America. There is no rational argument that support to Israel is of strategic benefit to the US.
I will not vote for Newsom. Even if I was the deciding vote as to whether Vance or Newsom wins in '28, I'd vote 3rd party. Why?
Vance is repulsive, but more repulsive is a fake Democrat.
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estoybussinMar 26, 2026
Hes still better than the current guy, but we can do better.
The problem is until you remove AIPAC, this is the only type of politician that will have the necessary funding to win a presidential race.
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MR_TELEVOIDMar 26, 2026
+2
>Hes still better than the current guy,
A sentient pile of shit is better than the current guy. That's not a selling point for Newsome.
>The problem is until you remove AIPAC, this is the only type of politician that will have the necessary funding to win a presidential race.
That's not so true any more. AIPAC's involvement is increasingly toxic and alienating to voters. Zohran survived literal billions of dollars in attack ads from AIPAC, and won. Graham Platner in ME is poised to do the same. Both candidates have ran campaigns that listen to the needs of the voters, and meet them where they live. IMO, the only way the Dems will take power again is if they run a similar campaign. Not sure who that is, but it's definitely not Newsome.
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estoybussinMar 26, 2026
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Ah, and do you think AIPAC didnt see that? Im sure there are people that win that dont take that money. Like zohran did. But he was a mayor. Not the president. And dems will take power back but it will be with AIPAC money.
Its not something I like, but until the rules change thats about all you will see. Isreal has way too much money and influence the way things are.
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faux_italianMar 26, 2026
-1
Since Zionism has turned into coded language for antisemites we really are pooched. So much of our daily tech or medical supplies or key mid east intel have come from Israel. Try to boycott it harder then. See what happens.
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ElysiumSproutsMar 26, 2026
-2
We live in a world where bad actors want to fuel antisemitism and twist any side. Israel is a nation and its actions should be viewed through that lens. But it's a tricky issue because too many people view the Jewish religion and the nation of Israel as synonymous. So we get this weird political dance. And it certainly doesn't help that Netanyahu's government is perfectly happy to use religion as a tool for its own purposes too.
It's a big mess, but blaming Newsome for any of it is pointless. He's not the issue here.
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QXR_LOTDMar 27, 2026
+1
Considering this topic is about Newsome flipflopping on the topic of Israel while he takes a large amount of money for a PAC who’s purpose is to push for Israel’s interests, yes, Newsome is the issue here.
This isn’t about conflating the Jewish faith with the nation of Israel. This is about the nation of Israel dragging the world into pointless wars so they can expand and spread fascistic views, and American politicians (Newsome included) being too afraid that the purse strings might close up if they speak out against it.
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ChemSTutorMar 26, 2026
This! If dems want to win, they need to pick their battles, I'd hope main focus in the debates would be on the economy and affordability - which by default means end of ongoing conflicts that detract from economic stability in the US. I'd want to hear plans that improve finances in real and tangible ways. No drawn out debates that entertain misguided beliefs on the far left. I've heard more than enough of this c*** from the far right.
A lot of us have sacrificed too much, work too hard, and pay too much in taxes to have to listen to nonsense.
I'd hope dems focus on the economy and I think it's ignorant and tone-deaf to ignore the context of Jewish community in discussions about Israel.
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BillRuddickJrPhdMar 26, 2026
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>Israel systematically segregates territory and assigns freedoms to residents differently, based on whether they are Jewish or Palestinian.
That is an objectively false statement. It's based on citizenship, not whether or not you're Jewish. Why can't people just be honest about these things? If the moral argument is so strong, why lie?
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soalone34Mar 26, 2026
+4
That was Apartheid South Africa’s defense based on Bantustans
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MR_TELEVOIDMar 26, 2026
+3
It's 100% true. What do you think determines citizenship? Israel is an apartheid state.
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ChemSTutorMar 26, 2026
+1
What is wrong with people?! It had to be a troll, because not possible that there are real people out there who really believe that. It's like not even that difficult to google to learn in less than five sentences how blatantly untrue that statement is.
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BillRuddickJrPhdMar 26, 2026
+1
Why do you have to lie through your teeth like this? Are you seriously going to sit there and say it's based on religion not citizenship?
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Protector_of_HumansMar 26, 2026
-4
Without the Democratic Party, there will be no new America
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DestinedEndMar 26, 2026
+10
The Democratic Party doesn’t want a new America though. People like Chick Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries fight to keep the status quo. A new America requires more than what the Democratic Party offers
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TenthSpeedWriterMar 26, 2026
+7
The democrats don't want change. They want a return to a toxic status quo, and until they tell their shiteating donors to stuff it, they won't win.
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TheMovesMar 26, 2026
Still talking about this d***** huh
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VoughtHunterMar 26, 2026
His ex wife married DJT JR
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FlamebrushMar 26, 2026
DJT jr and Kimberly Guilfoyle were engaged but never married.
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VoughtHunterMar 27, 2026
+1
Close enough bro
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AdmiralAsshat69Mar 26, 2026
-3
Those choke chains can really sting.
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phoneboy72Mar 26, 2026
-4
Why is this an issue, we all know that Newsom is what he always was, a politician. They all talk out of both sides of their mouth.
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prroteusMar 26, 2026
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He’s just another politician, spineless and in bed with whatever gets the money 💰 flowing. There are no candidates today that will break the AIPAC rule.
When one does appear we will all know and it will require no debate
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