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News & Current Events Apr 8, 2026 at 2:10 PM

Germany accuses JD Vance of hypocrisy over claim that EU meddled in Hungary’s election

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Germany accuses JD Vance of hypocrisy over claim that EU meddled in Hungary’s election
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Germany accuses JD Vance of hypocrisy over claim that EU meddled in Hungary’s election
Government spokesperson remarks that the U.S. vice president may himself be guilty of interfering in the vote.

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IntelArtiGen 2 days ago +1474
"You’re meddling in another country’s elections," says the person who went to a political rally during an election in another country.
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TtotheC81 2 days ago +372
*"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."* \- Jean-Paul Sartre Such quotes by Vance aren't meant to be true. They are meant to mock the truth and challenge its validity, allowing them to substitute it for whatever they wish to be true. This bolsters the true believers' belief that they are the righteous and wears down those who resist with a constant assault on reality. They want people to surrender and switch off. They want the U.S to turn into a carbon copy of Russia.
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Big_Department4209 2 days ago +110
Exactly, the hypocrisy is the entire point for this kind of people. It makes them feel better and more powerful than people with better morals and integrity. It's pathetic but unfortunately when comes from someone with power it can also be very damaging... JD Vance is a pathetic man without soul nor integrity, he has no values, just a sad puppet to be wielded by much more powerful people than him... Like a well-trained pet.
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boersc 2 days ago +26
So, how does one react to this, if not by refuting the claim and pointing out the absurdity?
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TropoMJ 2 days ago +49
I don't personally take that quote as indicating that you shouldn't refute fascists, more that you should temper your emotional reaction to them (don't get frustrated at what appears to be someone unknowingly being nonsensical, because it is not unknowing), avoid getting too deep in conversations with them (only talk to the minimum degree needed to refute, don't waste your energy when they try to extend beyond that point), and only bother with refuting them if there is an audience present (for the audience's benefit). If you're in a one-on-one with a fascist, you are the audience from their POV, and you have nothing to gain from engaging.
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TtotheC81 2 days ago +21
Cool indifference to the lies and refusing to rise to the bait is probably the best counter to a fascist. They feed off brow-beating their opponents into submission, so the best counter is to starve them by stating the facts and refusing to be worn down by their blatantly untrue counterarguments.
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-youvegotredonyou- 2 days ago +1
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VanceKelley 2 days ago +14
I react to fascists like JD and trump by voting against them. If we could have gotten more than 31% of the electorate to vote against them in 2024 they might not control the US government today.
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Agoras_song 2 days ago +4
I had a BPD ex. The only way to maintain sanity when I was in that relationship was to think it was a game. Try to guess if they expect you to lose it, or passively accept it and do the opposite of what they want. Nothing gets them more riled up and confused than expecting one thing and getting something else. However, it was too toxic for me and I left it really quickly. I was reminded of what Nietsche said - don't stare too much into the darkness, or else the darkness will stare back at you... Or something like that.
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SwampTerror 2 days ago +1
My ex has BPD and has serious anger management problems. BPD is basically an intense fear of abandonment that leads to anger. My BPD is in remission so I'm not as haunted by that nightmare but hers is a hard case. The other night for example I accidentally fell asleep despite efforts at 8pm and she was so frustrated because I wasnt able to say good night first. She sent a message at 2am about being frustrated and now "she has to think," presumably about whether to continue our friendship over the serious crime of falling asleep on her before she did. Many incidents like this. Even medical professionals have a really hard time dealing with BPD patients, let alone people like me who have it and suffer other diagnoses.
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Agoras_song 2 days ago +1
Bud, I am still traumatized by my BPD ex so badly that it's almost 2 years and I haven't dated anyone else.
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Forikorder 2 days ago +1
it comes down to the audience, the listeners have to also believe in words and lose respect for the ones who give ridiculous reasons to discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors
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Reddvox 2 days ago +1
By ridiculing them. Not take them serious (you DO take their threat seriously, but you do not show it!). Belittle them, laugh at them. The one thing all dictators, fascists, communists hate is laughter at their ideas, and not being taken seriously. All fascists are small minded men, they hate being reminded of that
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joyuscarpenter 2 days ago +1
Gaud, I love seeing post by people who read books! Im trying to catch up! There are so many!
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Shirolicious 2 days ago +12
Yeah, the irony. I wonder if it dawned on him.
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TropoMJ 2 days ago +12
He knows. He's just hoping Hungarians are stupid enough to be convinced by him.
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KombaynNikoladze2002 2 days ago +6
Of course he knows. It's intentional.
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iuuznxr 2 days ago +1
Don't forget they already sent Lil' Marco and there was a video message from Trump.
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omgwtfsaucers 2 days ago +1
Stupid people can't look in the mirror.
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Ashamed_Arm9880 2 days ago +515
Every accusation is an admission...the first few times I heard it it just didn't make the first few time.
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psycho_terror 2 days ago +82
It's amazing that the world has gone from knowing not to trust our elected representatives, to learning *exactly how* to mistrust them in only a few years. If only anyone was willing to do anything about it.
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TtotheC81 2 days ago +36
The one good thing about Trump's regime is how thoroughly arrogant they are and how utterly incompetent they are at the same time. They are so high on their own fumes that America is the strongest, greatest country in the world, that they aren't even attempting to hide the manipulation. Being so brazenly open and having Trump as their figurehead is hurting them more than harming them. People are becoming far more aware of what America is like as a country, and that any promises made by them aren't worth the value of the paper they're written on. It is actively harming their far-right allies in Europe and giving everyone left of that a common enemy to solidify against.
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deedee2148 2 days ago +7
Why should the rest of the world do anything about it?  Americans made their bed and now they can lay in it. 
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AggressiveCulture878 2 days ago +12
Thing about international politics is it tends to affect more than just one country.
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Ratiocinor 2 days ago +6
Every accusation is a confession I didn't believe it at first either. Like surely not *every* accusation is a confession But no it's been proved time and time again Remember when Republicans freaked the f*** out because some British Labour party supporting volunteers decided to volunteer their time in aid of the Harris campaign in the US election. Not the official Labour party of the UK, no British politicians weighed in, just random members of the public MAGA freaked out at "the UK interfering in our elections" That overreaction makes no sense at all unless you realise, they're planning on interfering in our elections. And lo and behold, Trump is openly supporting candidates in European elections, he's dialing in to rallies, he's sending JD Vance over in person Like sometimes political campaign strategists cross over. The guy who was campaign strategist for Obama did some work for Labour UK. Because that's his job and what he's hired to do. But no active sitting UK politician has used their position in government to advocate for certain people to be elected that's just crazy. Trump and Vance do it all the time
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Automatic_Algae_9425 2 days ago +5
What do you mean by "the first few times I heard it it just didn't make the first few time"?
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bem13 2 days ago +9
I don't know, have you really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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Larnievc 2 days ago +1
When I do that it’s so I expect. Not enough though for them I know. Making sense the win.
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croixfadas 2 days ago -30
This goes both ways
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H0163R 2 days ago +14
No it doesnt
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JohnBongoham 2 days ago +307
And Germany would be right. >Vance also slammed “the bureaucrats in Brussels, who have done everything that they can to hold down the people of Hungary, because they don’t like the leader, who has actually stood up for the people of Hungary.” They're free to leave at any time.
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TemporarySun314 2 days ago +102
But then you can't grift on EU money anymore and you loose some scapegoat for the negative sides of your fascism
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Xanthus179 2 days ago +5
The scapegoats got loose?
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Forikorder 2 days ago +1
better shut the barn doot
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KyffhauserGate 2 days ago -4
Yup. Just look at the UK.
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Busy_Still5871 2 days ago +23
They are free to vote Orban out! Vote him out!
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bem13 2 days ago +5
In a few days, we hopefully will. Polls look promising, but we'll see.
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Mountain_rage 2 days ago +32
Republicans hate laws and regulations that protect anyone who isn't rich. They want unfettered capitalism even if it leads to fascism. 
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bombmk 2 days ago +20
"even if" should be "because"
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Mountain_rage 2 days ago +2
Was on the fence how to frame it, but that does appear accurate.
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rajinis_bodyguard 2 days ago +2
Why cannot Hungary be kicked out?
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Tsuraru 2 days ago +7
They can be kicked out. Ironically by using the same clause that the UK used.
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Soulsiren 2 days ago +4
It requires every other Member to agree to it. There has always been at least one another country that would stop it from happening.
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Tsuraru 2 days ago +1
No, the article 50 was used only once. On the 29 March 2017 triggered by the UK. It was designed to kick other countries but the UK used it on itself.
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nlk72 2 days ago +107
The fact that Vance visits Hungary with the message that the US supports Orban is meddling in Hungarian politics. Hypocrisy at it finest.
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MUI-VCP 2 days ago +48
Vance to Germany... "Whoa, whoa, whoa, I thought the rules were that we weren't fact checking?"
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Surturius 2 days ago +22
"Germany makes accurate observation about JD Vance's hypocrisy over claim that EU meddled in Hungary’s election" FTFY
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beefglob 2 days ago +22
Why does the US have anyone involved in Hungarian elections?
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banditta82 2 days ago +22
For US mega corps it is better to have a dived Europe squabbling among themselves than a unified one
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Bitter_Tea442 2 days ago +10
Right wingers support foreign right wingers as long as they aren't the foreign right wingers they are blaming for failed domestic right wing policies.
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ceemeebonnie 2 days ago +2
Ensures that US corporations and Trumps friends get first pickings on the premium oligarch privitisation assets. USA Inc wants their greasy hands and cut on everything because they have no industry policies and have wiped out their manufacturing and given it to China. They have become a corrupt beggar like Putin that relies on oligarchs to stay in power.
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H0163R 2 days ago +17
Whenever the Trump administration or Russia lies about someone doing something, it is often because they themselves are doing exactly that. That’s why the lie can seem so plausible and realistic - they know the full background and simply change who is responsible. In most cases, it is actually only Russia and/or Trump who are doing the very things they accuse others of.
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Overall_Curve6725 2 days ago +13
Glad someone has the balls to call out Vance’s hypocrisy. Such a pathetic pathological couch humper
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botwiper5000 2 days ago +26
JD's hypocrisy invites other country's politicians to come campaign against him in 2028.
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CockchopsMcGraw 2 days ago +13
Bold of you to assume there'll be an election in 2028
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botwiper5000 2 days ago +5
Even the Republicans pal Putin holds elections. Whether they are free and fair is the real question.
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CockchopsMcGraw 2 days ago +5
Very true, this administration is certainly not above manufacturing a crisis to cancel them outright however
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lebennaia 2 days ago +3
It'd have to be a big one, as the US had elections during their Civil War and WW II.
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Jorgen_G_Pakieto 2 days ago +11
JD Vance literally got his position by being hypocritical. Bro previously called Trump Hitler and somehow apologised his way all the way to becoming vice president of the United States.
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CupEcstatic2721 2 days ago +9
It feels like this statement is an attempt to provoke information dissonance to distract the world's attention from the mess the US has brewed with Israel
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urlond 2 days ago +7
Honestly which American politicians goes to another country and helps support a foreign body president?
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bumbes 2 days ago +5
At this point nearly every European country is under the attack of foreign influence regarding elections. There’s an obvious and proven tendency of right-wing parties getting support from foreigners. Germany (AFD), Austria (FPÖ), France (RN), Italy… just to name a few. I think the European adversaries are right aware of how to sow division
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Affectionate-Text-49 2 days ago +4
JD Vance believes everyone has a MAGA brain. 😂 😂 😂
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Big-Combination-1969 2 days ago +4
Vance is a Bad joke of a vice. If Orban wins, f*** off from EU
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Peabody_Tiddlecut 2 days ago +4
And Germany would be correct. Vance talked about one country undermining another while he was literally in a country to undermine another.
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Inspirational_orgasm 2 days ago +4
Why is Vance stumping for a Russian puppet in another country?
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meowmixVStrump 2 days ago +4
If only conservatives were smart enough to put the obvious dots together. orban is ukraine's only obstacle to getting in the EU. That POS won't stop buying russian oil to save a dollar. What good reason does the US have for wanting orban reelected, even though NONE of our allies want that? It's literally only b/c russia wants it and it's good for putin. That's the only reason. It's hard for conservatives to rub their 2 neurons together to figure it out though, what a shame. This war is driving up the price of oil though, and everyone blames the US for it, including Hungarians. An endorsement from our politicians is probably a reason to vote against orban to them. Also, these oil prices are luckily, historically the #1 factor in these dumbass conservatives' decision on what they do in an election (LMAO). They don't vote with reason, they vote with FEELINGS and right now their feelings have boo-boos b/c they're paying more for gas. So they're gonna save the gas and sit this election out b/c their feelies huwt BAD. I think orban is finally going to lose. 4/12 can't come soon enough. (Then trump's going to announce that the war's going to continue and the price of oil will go even higher, he just has to wait for this election to end though, for their pals putin and orban).
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Reddit_2_2024 2 days ago +4
There is no future in government for J.D.
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PM_Your_Best_Ideas 2 days ago +1
I wish that were true but if Trump dies or is impeached he (J.D.) will be the President...
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Reddit_2_2024 2 days ago +1
Of course you are correct, however if you remember this was the case with Gerald Ford also. However when the next election took place Mr. Ford was not elected President. J.D. is very unpopular.
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soyuz_enjoyer2 2 days ago +16
Rich protestants (US government) wants Israel as a state because they believe it's necessary to cause ww3 and force Jesus to Come back This is something they genuinely believe
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Kataphractoi 2 days ago +6
>This is something they genuinely believe See as evidence Kegsbreath and the numerous evangelical leaders trying to turn Iran into Armageddon.
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Successful_Gas_5122 2 days ago +3
Shamelessness is a superpower. If you genuinely have no shame, nothing can ever be held against you. JD Vance doesn't care about being called a hypocrite. He will say and do anything, no matter how contradictory or unethical.
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75bytes 2 days ago +3
remind me how often biden was blaimed for hypocrisy or lies. all these dark triad personalities like trump, putin who will absolutely gaslight with psychopatic absense of remorse. there is big reactionary wave around the world led by these “elites” who are pushing back progress and healthy societies where they won’t have place. irony is that they are always enabled by guillable stupids
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asdhjasdhlkjashdhgf 2 days ago +3
Stay tuned, in the next episode: Putler endorsing J.D. Vance's presidency.
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whiznat 2 days ago +3
This is like accusing the Pope of being Catholic. Republicans know they are hypocrites. They routinely argue in bad faith. Their reaction to this would be "Yeah, so?"
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Cyrotek 2 days ago +3
Sadly Vance has zero self-awarness, so he won't understand this anyways.
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izwald88 2 days ago +3
I don't think election meddling has ever not been a thing... So I do hope the EU is absolutely meddling in elections, because the enemies of the US and EU are definitely meddling in ours.
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-TRTI- 2 days ago +3
Yeah, I think the worst part was the hypocrisy.
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tenax21 2 days ago +3
It is particularly hypocritical of Vance to have made this accusation. *I'm not outrageously interfering in Hungary's election. You are.*
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skibbin 2 days ago +3
Every accusation is a confession
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SigFloyd 2 days ago +3
The classic "falsely accuse the other guy of the thing you're doing, which then justifies you doing it"
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wrobbii 2 days ago +3
Thank you for pointing this out. It's all a part of Project 2025, to spread fascism across the world.
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DividedState 2 days ago +2
They are to dumb to realize the irony.
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ScaryGamesInMyHeart 2 days ago +2
Every MAGA accusation is a confession. 🥱
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InGordWeTrust 2 days ago +2
Conservatives have no standards. They do not police their own.
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Popular_Fly9604 2 days ago +2
JD is an embarrassment. Bring back Dan Quayle!
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wastelandingstrip 2 days ago +2
"You said there wouldn't be fact checking in this debate!" -JD Vance
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awkward_replies_2 2 days ago +2
Could we consider Vance's visit to Hungary with the explicit intention to support a specific candidate in an active election an invitation for all European politicians to do the same for US elections?
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gordonjames62 2 days ago +2
This is rich. I wish he was talking about Russia and USA >“what has happened in this country, what has happened in the midst of this election campaign, is one of the worst examples of foreign election interference that I’ve ever seen or even read about.”
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Fussy_Fucker 2 days ago +1
Only America can meddle.
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rvretiredlife 2 days ago +1
Not like Trump and his family aren't trying to affect the vote in hungary
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doolpicate 2 days ago +1
Vance was sent out of the country to keep him away from decisions in the US. LOL. He isnt the brightest bulb in the pack.
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shatteredmatt 2 days ago +1
With the current USA regime, every accusation is an admission.
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JukeboxpunkOi 2 days ago +1
JD Vance humps couches
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khakiwallprint 2 days ago +1
Weird situation because opponents of Orban are angry at the hypocrisy but also thrilled that Jance Dance "popeslayer" Vance is unintentionally torpedoing his campaign by endorsing it
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LeafsWinBeforeIDie 2 days ago +1
If they didnt have hypocrisy, they'd have no hippos at all.
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TinyConfection7049 2 days ago +1
Pot. Kettle. Black. 
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This_Way_Comes 2 days ago +1
Well they're not wrong, wouldn't you say.
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zackmedude 2 days ago +1
In early 2025 (February?), Vance argued that Europe's principal danger came from erosion of democratic norms, especially censorship and suppression of dissent, rather than threats from Russia or China. He criticized EU leaders for annulling Romania's presidential election and using "misinformation" laws to silence political opposition. He warned that the U.S. would condition its support for Europe on whether governments uphold free speech. SMH
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Dizzy_Repair3552 2 days ago +1
My guess is that the " on the fence" voters will see this a the BIG BAD AMERICAN telling them who to vote for and hopefully it will have the opposite effect of what TACO wants.
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Mediocre_lad 2 days ago +1
Why would Europe and their stupid orange president attack Iran? Complete idiots.
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Kortanios 1 day ago +1
It's not an accusation, it is a statement of fact.
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Hodaka 1 day ago +1
The "foreign interference" claim didn't spring out of nowhere. It forms the basis [for overriding the midterm elections in the US.](https://www.ms.now/rachel-maddow/watch/report-exposes-a-trump-scheme-to-override-midterm-vote-with-bogus-crisis-2495371331582) QUOTE: Rachel Maddow talks with Senator Mark Warner, top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, about reporting in the Washington Post that people close to Donald Trump are being pitched an idea to use **fake intelligence about foreign election interference** to allow Trump to declare an emergency and take over the voting system ahead of this year's midterm elections.
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badPerson95 1 day ago +1
it isn't accusation it's stating the fact
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DMmeOtter 2 days ago +1
This was obvious... thank you for pointing out the obvious Germany...
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PM_Your_Best_Ideas 2 days ago +3
You can't begin to expect accountability if nobody acknowledges anything is wrong.
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DMmeOtter 1 day ago +1
OK, I dont expect accountability. I expect this is the new norm and murica broke the "truce" we had with the EU not to interfere in their elections. Identity politics is global now
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PM_Your_Best_Ideas 1 day ago +1
We are a part of the community we create, complacency make you guilty of supporting "the new norm". We should expect more accountability from our leadership or risk being enslaved by it. The government should serve the people, Apathy risks the government taking the control from the people.
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DMmeOtter 1 day ago +1
Conflating complacency with recognition of cultural hegemony sounds like honerable idealism to me.
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PM_Your_Best_Ideas 1 day ago +1
There is a difference between recognizing the dangers of solar radiation, and deciding to do nothing to protect yourself.
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Sherlock-Gyspy 2 days ago +1
The man who wrote the hypocritical Hilbilly Eligy which Mika and Joe were ecstatic over? Nah.
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Uebelkraehe 2 days ago
Good, but did they have add the shit about Merz "having no preference" concerning the outcome of the election? He's either an idiot if it's true or they are stupid for commenting on this aspect at all if not .
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NutsyFlamingo 2 days ago -3
I think we live in a post- hypocrisy world. I’m not sure this is a best focus of time
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PapayaMan4 2 days ago -14
I don't like him, but isn't every politician a hypocrite?
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