"You’re meddling in another country’s elections," says the person who went to a political rally during an election in another country.
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TtotheC812 days ago
+372
*"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."*
\- Jean-Paul Sartre
Such quotes by Vance aren't meant to be true. They are meant to mock the truth and challenge its validity, allowing them to substitute it for whatever they wish to be true. This bolsters the true believers' belief that they are the righteous and wears down those who resist with a constant assault on reality.
They want people to surrender and switch off. They want the U.S to turn into a carbon copy of Russia.
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Big_Department42092 days ago
+110
Exactly, the hypocrisy is the entire point for this kind of people. It makes them feel better and more powerful than people with better morals and integrity.
It's pathetic but unfortunately when comes from someone with power it can also be very damaging...
JD Vance is a pathetic man without soul nor integrity, he has no values, just a sad puppet to be wielded by much more powerful people than him... Like a well-trained pet.
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boersc2 days ago
+26
So, how does one react to this, if not by refuting the claim and pointing out the absurdity?
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TropoMJ2 days ago
+49
I don't personally take that quote as indicating that you shouldn't refute fascists, more that you should temper your emotional reaction to them (don't get frustrated at what appears to be someone unknowingly being nonsensical, because it is not unknowing), avoid getting too deep in conversations with them (only talk to the minimum degree needed to refute, don't waste your energy when they try to extend beyond that point), and only bother with refuting them if there is an audience present (for the audience's benefit). If you're in a one-on-one with a fascist, you are the audience from their POV, and you have nothing to gain from engaging.
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TtotheC812 days ago
+21
Cool indifference to the lies and refusing to rise to the bait is probably the best counter to a fascist. They feed off brow-beating their opponents into submission, so the best counter is to starve them by stating the facts and refusing to be worn down by their blatantly untrue counterarguments.
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-youvegotredonyou-2 days ago
+1
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VanceKelley2 days ago
+14
I react to fascists like JD and trump by voting against them. If we could have gotten more than 31% of the electorate to vote against them in 2024 they might not control the US government today.
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Agoras_song2 days ago
+4
I had a BPD ex. The only way to maintain sanity when I was in that relationship was to think it was a game. Try to guess if they expect you to lose it, or passively accept it and do the opposite of what they want.
Nothing gets them more riled up and confused than expecting one thing and getting something else.
However, it was too toxic for me and I left it really quickly. I was reminded of what Nietsche said - don't stare too much into the darkness, or else the darkness will stare back at you... Or something like that.
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SwampTerror2 days ago
+1
My ex has BPD and has serious anger management problems. BPD is basically an intense fear of abandonment that leads to anger. My BPD is in remission so I'm not as haunted by that nightmare but hers is a hard case. The other night for example I accidentally fell asleep despite efforts at 8pm and she was so frustrated because I wasnt able to say good night first. She sent a message at 2am about being frustrated and now "she has to think," presumably about whether to continue our friendship over the serious crime of falling asleep on her before she did. Many incidents like this.
Even medical professionals have a really hard time dealing with BPD patients, let alone people like me who have it and suffer other diagnoses.
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Agoras_song2 days ago
+1
Bud, I am still traumatized by my BPD ex so badly that it's almost 2 years and I haven't dated anyone else.
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Forikorder2 days ago
+1
it comes down to the audience, the listeners have to also believe in words and lose respect for the ones who give ridiculous reasons to discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors
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Reddvox2 days ago
+1
By ridiculing them. Not take them serious (you DO take their threat seriously, but you do not show it!). Belittle them, laugh at them. The one thing all dictators, fascists, communists hate is laughter at their ideas, and not being taken seriously. All fascists are small minded men, they hate being reminded of that
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joyuscarpenter2 days ago
+1
Gaud, I love seeing post by people who read books! Im trying to catch up!
There are so many!
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Shirolicious2 days ago
+12
Yeah, the irony. I wonder if it dawned on him.
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TropoMJ2 days ago
+12
He knows. He's just hoping Hungarians are stupid enough to be convinced by him.
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KombaynNikoladze20022 days ago
+6
Of course he knows. It's intentional.
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iuuznxr2 days ago
+1
Don't forget they already sent Lil' Marco and there was a video message from Trump.
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omgwtfsaucers2 days ago
+1
Stupid people can't look in the mirror.
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Ashamed_Arm98802 days ago
+515
Every accusation is an admission...the first few times I heard it it just didn't make the first few time.
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psycho_terror2 days ago
+82
It's amazing that the world has gone from knowing not to trust our elected representatives, to learning *exactly how* to mistrust them in only a few years.
If only anyone was willing to do anything about it.
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TtotheC812 days ago
+36
The one good thing about Trump's regime is how thoroughly arrogant they are and how utterly incompetent they are at the same time. They are so high on their own fumes that America is the strongest, greatest country in the world, that they aren't even attempting to hide the manipulation.
Being so brazenly open and having Trump as their figurehead is hurting them more than harming them. People are becoming far more aware of what America is like as a country, and that any promises made by them aren't worth the value of the paper they're written on. It is actively harming their far-right allies in Europe and giving everyone left of that a common enemy to solidify against.
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deedee21482 days ago
+7
Why should the rest of the world do anything about it?
Americans made their bed and now they can lay in it.
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AggressiveCulture8782 days ago
+12
Thing about international politics is it tends to affect more than just one country.
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Ratiocinor2 days ago
+6
Every accusation is a confession
I didn't believe it at first either. Like surely not *every* accusation is a confession
But no it's been proved time and time again
Remember when Republicans freaked the f*** out because some British Labour party supporting volunteers decided to volunteer their time in aid of the Harris campaign in the US election. Not the official Labour party of the UK, no British politicians weighed in, just random members of the public
MAGA freaked out at "the UK interfering in our elections"
That overreaction makes no sense at all unless you realise, they're planning on interfering in our elections. And lo and behold, Trump is openly supporting candidates in European elections, he's dialing in to rallies, he's sending JD Vance over in person
Like sometimes political campaign strategists cross over. The guy who was campaign strategist for Obama did some work for Labour UK. Because that's his job and what he's hired to do. But no active sitting UK politician has used their position in government to advocate for certain people to be elected that's just crazy. Trump and Vance do it all the time
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Automatic_Algae_94252 days ago
+5
What do you mean by "the first few times I heard it it just didn't make the first few time"?
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bem132 days ago
+9
I don't know, have you really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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Larnievc2 days ago
+1
When I do that it’s so I expect. Not enough though for them I know. Making sense the win.
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croixfadas2 days ago
-30
This goes both ways
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H0163R2 days ago
+14
No it doesnt
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JohnBongoham2 days ago
+307
And Germany would be right.
>Vance also slammed “the bureaucrats in Brussels, who have done everything that they can to hold down the people of Hungary, because they don’t like the leader, who has actually stood up for the people of Hungary.”
They're free to leave at any time.
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TemporarySun3142 days ago
+102
But then you can't grift on EU money anymore and you loose some scapegoat for the negative sides of your fascism
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Xanthus1792 days ago
+5
The scapegoats got loose?
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Forikorder2 days ago
+1
better shut the barn doot
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KyffhauserGate2 days ago
-4
Yup. Just look at the UK.
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Busy_Still58712 days ago
+23
They are free to vote Orban out! Vote him out!
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bem132 days ago
+5
In a few days, we hopefully will. Polls look promising, but we'll see.
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Mountain_rage2 days ago
+32
Republicans hate laws and regulations that protect anyone who isn't rich. They want unfettered capitalism even if it leads to fascism.
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bombmk2 days ago
+20
"even if" should be "because"
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Mountain_rage2 days ago
+2
Was on the fence how to frame it, but that does appear accurate.
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rajinis_bodyguard2 days ago
+2
Why cannot Hungary be kicked out?
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Tsuraru2 days ago
+7
They can be kicked out. Ironically by using the same clause that the UK used.
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Soulsiren2 days ago
+4
It requires every other Member to agree to it. There has always been at least one another country that would stop it from happening.
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Tsuraru2 days ago
+1
No, the article 50 was used only once. On the 29 March 2017 triggered by the UK.
It was designed to kick other countries but the UK used it on itself.
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[deleted]2 days ago
+86
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nlk722 days ago
+107
The fact that Vance visits Hungary with the message that the US supports Orban is meddling in Hungarian politics. Hypocrisy at it finest.
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MUI-VCP2 days ago
+48
Vance to Germany...
"Whoa, whoa, whoa, I thought the rules were that we weren't fact checking?"
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Surturius2 days ago
+22
"Germany makes accurate observation about JD Vance's hypocrisy over claim that EU meddled in Hungary’s election"
FTFY
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beefglob2 days ago
+22
Why does the US have anyone involved in Hungarian elections?
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banditta822 days ago
+22
For US mega corps it is better to have a dived Europe squabbling among themselves than a unified one
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Bitter_Tea4422 days ago
+10
Right wingers support foreign right wingers as long as they aren't the foreign right wingers they are blaming for failed domestic right wing policies.
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ceemeebonnie2 days ago
+2
Ensures that US corporations and Trumps friends get first pickings on the premium oligarch privitisation assets. USA Inc wants their greasy hands and cut on everything because they have no industry policies and have wiped out their manufacturing and given it to China. They have become a corrupt beggar like Putin that relies on oligarchs to stay in power.
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H0163R2 days ago
+17
Whenever the Trump administration or Russia lies about someone doing something, it is often because they themselves are doing exactly that. That’s why the lie can seem so plausible and realistic - they know the full background and simply change who is responsible. In most cases, it is actually only Russia and/or Trump who are doing the very things they accuse others of.
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Overall_Curve67252 days ago
+13
Glad someone has the balls to call out Vance’s hypocrisy. Such a pathetic pathological couch humper
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botwiper50002 days ago
+26
JD's hypocrisy invites other country's politicians to come campaign against him in 2028.
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CockchopsMcGraw2 days ago
+13
Bold of you to assume there'll be an election in 2028
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botwiper50002 days ago
+5
Even the Republicans pal Putin holds elections. Whether they are free and fair is the real question.
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CockchopsMcGraw2 days ago
+5
Very true, this administration is certainly not above manufacturing a crisis to cancel them outright however
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lebennaia2 days ago
+3
It'd have to be a big one, as the US had elections during their Civil War and WW II.
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Jorgen_G_Pakieto2 days ago
+11
JD Vance literally got his position by being hypocritical.
Bro previously called Trump Hitler and somehow apologised his way all the way to becoming vice president of the United States.
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CupEcstatic27212 days ago
+9
It feels like this statement is an attempt to provoke information dissonance to distract the world's attention from the mess the US has brewed with Israel
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urlond2 days ago
+7
Honestly which American politicians goes to another country and helps support a foreign body president?
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bumbes2 days ago
+5
At this point nearly every European country is under the attack of foreign influence regarding elections.
There’s an obvious and proven tendency of right-wing parties getting support from foreigners. Germany (AFD), Austria (FPÖ), France (RN), Italy… just to name a few. I think the European adversaries are right aware of how to sow division
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Affectionate-Text-492 days ago
+4
JD Vance believes everyone has a MAGA brain. 😂 😂 😂
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Big-Combination-19692 days ago
+4
Vance is a Bad joke of a vice. If Orban wins, f*** off from EU
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Peabody_Tiddlecut2 days ago
+4
And Germany would be correct. Vance talked about one country undermining another while he was literally in a country to undermine another.
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Inspirational_orgasm2 days ago
+4
Why is Vance stumping for a Russian puppet in another country?
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meowmixVStrump2 days ago
+4
If only conservatives were smart enough to put the obvious dots together. orban is ukraine's only obstacle to getting in the EU. That POS won't stop buying russian oil to save a dollar. What good reason does the US have for wanting orban reelected, even though NONE of our allies want that? It's literally only b/c russia wants it and it's good for putin. That's the only reason. It's hard for conservatives to rub their 2 neurons together to figure it out though, what a shame.
This war is driving up the price of oil though, and everyone blames the US for it, including Hungarians. An endorsement from our politicians is probably a reason to vote against orban to them. Also, these oil prices are luckily, historically the #1 factor in these dumbass conservatives' decision on what they do in an election (LMAO). They don't vote with reason, they vote with FEELINGS and right now their feelings have boo-boos b/c they're paying more for gas. So they're gonna save the gas and sit this election out b/c their feelies huwt BAD.
I think orban is finally going to lose. 4/12 can't come soon enough. (Then trump's going to announce that the war's going to continue and the price of oil will go even higher, he just has to wait for this election to end though, for their pals putin and orban).
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Reddit_2_20242 days ago
+4
There is no future in government for J.D.
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PM_Your_Best_Ideas2 days ago
+1
I wish that were true but if Trump dies or is impeached he (J.D.) will be the President...
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Reddit_2_20242 days ago
+1
Of course you are correct, however if you remember this was the case with Gerald Ford also. However when the next election took place Mr. Ford was not elected President. J.D. is very unpopular.
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[deleted]2 days ago
+14
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soyuz_enjoyer22 days ago
+16
Rich protestants (US government) wants Israel as a state because they believe it's necessary to cause ww3 and force Jesus to Come back
This is something they genuinely believe
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Kataphractoi2 days ago
+6
>This is something they genuinely believe
See as evidence Kegsbreath and the numerous evangelical leaders trying to turn Iran into Armageddon.
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Successful_Gas_51222 days ago
+3
Shamelessness is a superpower. If you genuinely have no shame, nothing can ever be held against you. JD Vance doesn't care about being called a hypocrite. He will say and do anything, no matter how contradictory or unethical.
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75bytes2 days ago
+3
remind me how often biden was blaimed for hypocrisy or lies. all these dark triad personalities like trump, putin who will absolutely gaslight with psychopatic absense of remorse. there is big reactionary wave around the world led by these “elites” who are pushing back progress and healthy societies where they won’t have place. irony is that they are always enabled by guillable stupids
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asdhjasdhlkjashdhgf2 days ago
+3
Stay tuned, in the next episode: Putler endorsing J.D. Vance's presidency.
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whiznat2 days ago
+3
This is like accusing the Pope of being Catholic. Republicans know they are hypocrites. They routinely argue in bad faith. Their reaction to this would be "Yeah, so?"
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Cyrotek2 days ago
+3
Sadly Vance has zero self-awarness, so he won't understand this anyways.
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izwald882 days ago
+3
I don't think election meddling has ever not been a thing... So I do hope the EU is absolutely meddling in elections, because the enemies of the US and EU are definitely meddling in ours.
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-TRTI-2 days ago
+3
Yeah, I think the worst part was the hypocrisy.
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tenax212 days ago
+3
It is particularly hypocritical of Vance to have made this accusation.
*I'm not outrageously interfering in Hungary's election. You are.*
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skibbin2 days ago
+3
Every accusation is a confession
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SigFloyd2 days ago
+3
The classic "falsely accuse the other guy of the thing you're doing, which then justifies you doing it"
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wrobbii2 days ago
+3
Thank you for pointing this out. It's all a part of Project 2025, to spread fascism across the world.
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DividedState2 days ago
+2
They are to dumb to realize the irony.
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ScaryGamesInMyHeart2 days ago
+2
Every MAGA accusation is a confession. 🥱
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InGordWeTrust2 days ago
+2
Conservatives have no standards. They do not police their own.
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Popular_Fly96042 days ago
+2
JD is an embarrassment. Bring back Dan Quayle!
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wastelandingstrip2 days ago
+2
"You said there wouldn't be fact checking in this debate!" -JD Vance
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awkward_replies_22 days ago
+2
Could we consider Vance's visit to Hungary with the explicit intention to support a specific candidate in an active election an invitation for all European politicians to do the same for US elections?
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gordonjames622 days ago
+2
This is rich.
I wish he was talking about Russia and USA
>“what has happened in this country, what has happened in the midst of this election campaign, is one of the worst examples of foreign election interference that I’ve ever seen or even read about.”
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Fussy_Fucker2 days ago
+1
Only America can meddle.
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rvretiredlife2 days ago
+1
Not like Trump and his family aren't trying to affect the vote in hungary
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doolpicate2 days ago
+1
Vance was sent out of the country to keep him away from decisions in the US. LOL. He isnt the brightest bulb in the pack.
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shatteredmatt2 days ago
+1
With the current USA regime, every accusation is an admission.
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JukeboxpunkOi2 days ago
+1
JD Vance humps couches
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khakiwallprint2 days ago
+1
Weird situation because opponents of Orban are angry at the hypocrisy but also thrilled that Jance Dance "popeslayer" Vance is unintentionally torpedoing his campaign by endorsing it
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LeafsWinBeforeIDie2 days ago
+1
If they didnt have hypocrisy, they'd have no hippos at all.
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TinyConfection70492 days ago
+1
Pot. Kettle. Black.
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This_Way_Comes2 days ago
+1
Well they're not wrong, wouldn't you say.
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zackmedude2 days ago
+1
In early 2025 (February?), Vance argued that Europe's principal danger came from erosion of democratic norms, especially censorship and suppression of dissent, rather than threats from Russia or China. He criticized EU leaders for annulling Romania's presidential election and using "misinformation" laws to silence political opposition. He warned that the U.S. would condition its support for Europe on whether governments uphold free speech.
SMH
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Dizzy_Repair35522 days ago
+1
My guess is that the " on the fence" voters will see this a the BIG BAD AMERICAN telling them who to vote for and hopefully it will have the opposite effect of what TACO wants.
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Mediocre_lad2 days ago
+1
Why would Europe and their stupid orange president attack Iran? Complete idiots.
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Kortanios1 day ago
+1
It's not an accusation, it is a statement of fact.
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Hodaka1 day ago
+1
The "foreign interference" claim didn't spring out of nowhere.
It forms the basis [for overriding the midterm elections in the US.](https://www.ms.now/rachel-maddow/watch/report-exposes-a-trump-scheme-to-override-midterm-vote-with-bogus-crisis-2495371331582)
QUOTE: Rachel Maddow talks with Senator Mark Warner, top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, about reporting in the Washington Post that people close to Donald Trump are being pitched an idea to use **fake intelligence about foreign election interference** to allow Trump to declare an emergency and take over the voting system ahead of this year's midterm elections.
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badPerson951 day ago
+1
it isn't accusation it's stating the fact
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DMmeOtter2 days ago
+1
This was obvious... thank you for pointing out the obvious Germany...
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PM_Your_Best_Ideas2 days ago
+3
You can't begin to expect accountability if nobody acknowledges anything is wrong.
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DMmeOtter1 day ago
+1
OK, I dont expect accountability. I expect this is the new norm and murica broke the "truce" we had with the EU not to interfere in their elections. Identity politics is global now
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PM_Your_Best_Ideas1 day ago
+1
We are a part of the community we create, complacency make you guilty of supporting "the new norm".
We should expect more accountability from our leadership or risk being enslaved by it. The government should serve the people, Apathy risks the government taking the control from the people.
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DMmeOtter1 day ago
+1
Conflating complacency with recognition of cultural hegemony sounds like honerable idealism to me.
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PM_Your_Best_Ideas1 day ago
+1
There is a difference between recognizing the dangers of solar radiation, and deciding to do nothing to protect yourself.
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Sherlock-Gyspy2 days ago
+1
The man who wrote the hypocritical Hilbilly Eligy which Mika and Joe were ecstatic over?
Nah.
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Uebelkraehe2 days ago
Good, but did they have add the shit about Merz "having no preference" concerning the outcome of the election? He's either an idiot if it's true or they are stupid for commenting on this aspect at all if not .
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NutsyFlamingo2 days ago
-3
I think we live in a post- hypocrisy world. I’m not sure this is a best focus of time
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PapayaMan42 days ago
-14
I don't like him, but isn't every politician a hypocrite?
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