Germany supports restrictions on draft-age men leaving Ukraine for the EU - Merz

Where does egg licker for Merz come from? never heard it before

First and foremost, I'm grateful to the country for accepting me to live here temporarily. The state propaganda posters were genuinely funny but did not affect my daily life. However, the effects were certainly noticeable. Even though I live in an immigrant bubble, I encountered many hostile ruzzians, emboldened by the official government position. I saw a number of ruzzian soldiers too, including an actual Wagner mercenary; paramilitary cosplayers dressing up as ruzzian soldiers at Comic Con with Ukrainian flags/symbolic being forbidden, etc. In general, I can say that most Hungarian people that I met were against the Orban government and somewhat sympathetic to Ukraine. With that being said, the number of Ukrainian flags in Budapest is close to zero. I know it might sound like a weird metric of support, but I was shocked by how many of them I saw in other countries, like the Czech Republic or Germany. Ordinary people were displaying them to show support. Not a thing in Hungary, though.

We do not have mandatory service for women in Denmark wtf are you talking about Edit: apparently we changed this in 2025, I stand corrected

In Norway, we have to many volunteers, so the army only takes those who really expressed a desire to go. So there is no real mandatory. If you want, you get to skip. Peacetime is nice

One good practical reason to not send women to war is to not risk leaving many more children orphaned. And, being very practical and putting all the equality talks aside, having civilian women in your army is really not worth much. I do support the right of every man to choose not to take a bullet for their country.

They are lucky… sometimes ppl don’t face systems of oppression but they still exist

Have you ever been in contact with the military? They are not police, they do not f*** around lmao. It's like Australian wildlife, don't get too close and definitely don't touch them orthe best case scenario is you will have assault rifles pointed at you (I'm trying to give Kangaroos a new idea). You get the right to bear arms and kill other humans while having priority and authority (when deployed) over the civilian population. In some countries the military is the best way to guarantee food for you and your family. I am assuming Ukrainian soldiers 25km+ behind the front lines eat better than the average civilian, but I'm not sure. ...yeah okay that's a pretty shitty deal but if your country is invaded by a horde of literal f****** HIVtards I genuinely consider it an honorable job, may all Ukrainian veterans get a supplemental income for the rest of their lives so they don't have to grind as hard, they've done their job. No joke HIV is rampant in the Russian military. As is a*** sex. But they are anti LGBT. They only want the G.

Fair according to you, and all the armchair Listnook commenters that want to make decisions about how other countries run things...yeah seriously stay in your lane and let them get on with serious matters.

Yes I know they're against surrendering. But you're the one who wants to make decisions for them.

Well Germany just decided to reinstate a law that demands any man below the age of 45 who wants to travel abroad for more than 3 months to contact the army and request permission. Sadly Germany doesn't give an f about equality, at least not the current governement.

Everyone whose country is not actively being invaded and destroyed should really shut the F up about draft laws. These people think they know how they would respond if Russians marched into their country with meat assaults. They don't. They also don't know how their country as a whole would respond, which greatly affects their personal response. If nobody fights, you probably won't fight either. If everybody fights, you are emboldened to fight too, even if outnumbered, because with a million men on your side, you will feel very powerful, even if the enemy has five million men, because our brains can't comprehend the scale (and leadership would try to downplay enemy numbers to keep up morale). Plus you don't want to be the only little b**** hiding with the women and children, something that can follow you for the rest of your life, might as well tattoo it on your forehead. Shame is an extremely effective motivator for all humans. The Ukrainian Armed Forces are doing the most honourable job in the world right now, and for Europeans, the most important job too. People think their lives are bad now, "hurt durr billions to Ukraine and I have to sacrifice one of my two holidays per year?!" Yeah and if Russia had annexed Ukraine without incurring so much pain, your next holiday would be a government funded one to Eastern Europe. Europe was NOT prepared for any kind of combat, if Ukrathad fallen in 2022, Russia might have pushed into Europe after trump's election, and Trump would essentially veto American support to NATO allies. These people should be glad the EU is not one entity yet (we're going there) because the next time Russians attack, which is guaranteed to happen, all European militaries will get involved. Depending on how desperate Russia is, Europeans may be drafted. China is eyeballing Siberia, it's inevitable, they are already silently colonizing it through migration and businesses. Millions of Russians will go west where they aren't a minority, and because of this war there's plenty of space and work for them in western Russia. If Russia totally fails as a state (again), it's not at all unthinkable that some crazy f****** Russian leader gives weapons to millions of angry men and says "look, there is wealth, food, and women in Europe and they are unarmed and weak, ripe for the taking, go forth and whatever you take is yours to keep, for Mother Russia! URRAH!" while publicly claiming it's not a military and these Madmen are out of their control sorry guys! Imagine the EU getting zerged by a couple million armed bandits like a reverse operation Barbarossa from Temu.. Sounds crazy? Well it literally happened before, many times even. So it can happen again. People born in modern nation states just have a hard time imagining it. A viking army roamed, pillaged and raped Britain for THIRTEEN YEARS before finally being subdued. That's a long f****** time on an island you can walk across in a matter of days.

Hello? It's for the population to decide if they want to fight, not for the government.

You can argue this if people actually hold the land, which was the main policy of LKY in Singapore. Here everyone is aware that you don't die for your home and family but for the rich billionaires that keep you in a rent spiral till you die. Or for health care that's being gutted for their benefit, and the list goes on. You die for a system that erode the working class, not the working class itself

So you think it is okay to force people to fight and die against their will? I think a country is less important than human lives.

Who takes care of the kids? War effort is on the back as well. Education, manufacture

Then you should forfeit whatever citizenship you have an leave the country you’re in 

This is how society works. For one group of people being able to enjoy democracy, freedom and survival, another group of people needs to make sacrifices. Draft is not completely fair but it's the fairest law available and was passed democratically. There is no viable more fair alternative available atm. The entire planet needs to pass some laws like "if some country starts a war the entire rest of the planet automatically takes the victim's side until it's over and the guilty are brought to justice". Until then that's the only alternative. Even super rich countries like the USA are not rich enough to pay for a standing contract army without a draft and discriminating big parts of their population to get poor people to sign it "out of free will" so they can have affordable education and health care they can't get otherwise.