Gorsuch asks Sauer if Native Americans are birthright citizens

My favorite response to this was on Twitter: "If birthright citizenship only applies to freed slaves, then the Second Amendment only applies to muskets."

Trump has more federal rulings from his own appointed judges + Supreme Court rulings against him than all other presidents in history. How do conservatives vault that mental obstacle?

For the uninitiated, Gorsuch actually has a great track record with supporting Native American treaty rights. Birthright issues fall into this sphere.

The very concept of "birthright citizenship" was originally a product of colonization. White settlers wanted to offset the numbers of native populations of the countries they were colonizing. Ironic right? Now it exists as a long standing, American principle enshrined in our Constitution. One that respects a tradition of immigration and acknowledges that the US is a country of immigrants, by immigrants, not excluding our native population of course. Plurality and diversity are deeply American values and have played a significant role in bettering the American experiment. The framers intended for the constitution to be amended to EXPAND rights and include more people with each iteration. Birthright citizenship is an example and symbol of that expansion. As far as its origins go, the citizenship clause is not strictly reserved for "slave babies" as Trump ignorantly claims. It's important to understand that the 14th amendment and its citizenship clause were a response to several historical conditions. Just as important, and while this shouldn't have to be said, the constitutional interpretation of the citizenship clause has changed over the years to reflect new realities. Reducing its scope to "slave babies" is so utterly ignorant and dismissive of more than a century's worth of evolving jurisprudence. That said, one important reason it exists is because the original constitution does not do any job of defining *who is a citizen.* The 14th amendment/birthright citizenship were also introduced in response to the Dred Scott decision, which prohibited African Americans from becoming citizens of the United States, a decision considered by many constitutional scholars to be one of, if not the worst Supreme Court ruling in US history. The 14th amendment was also a response to southern white conservatives and former confederates refusing to accept former black slaves as **people** who deserve rights, freedoms and privileges. These traitors brutalized southern blacks, tortured them, lynched them, policed them and created their own unique set of "laws" called the "black codes" to oppress and tyrannize the African American community in the racist south. It was also invoked in the landmark case, United States v. Wong Kim Ark. Wong was born in San Francisco to Chinese parents and first generation immigrants who had established permanent residency in the US and even owned a business. When Wong returned to the US after a trip to China, he was denied re-entry and then detained under the infamous Chinese Exclusion Act. Wong was detained on steamships in the San Francisco Bay for several months despite having all the proper documentation and identification forms on him. This included a photograph of Wong and a departure statement that was signed by three witnesses attesting to his identity. His detention lasted until the courts eventually ruled in his favor. The Supreme Court ruled that the citizenship clause of the fourteenth amendment grants citizenship to all persons ***born in the United States***, and regardless of their parents nationality. This decision set a fundamental precedent for interpreting the fourteenth's citizenship clause, an over century's long precedent that Trump and his coalition of bigots, nativists and xenophobes are seeking to overturn. This case should be open and shut, and the fact that it has even reached the Supreme Court is in itself an omen of sorts. Although, all reports suggest that Trump won't be happy with their ruling on the matter. For the likely minority of conservative justices who side with Trump: So much "constitutional originalism" when you can interpret the law however you see fit, weighing your judicial duty and so-called traditionalism against the prospect of fundamentally changing this country's legal, ethnic and moral landscape to fit more in line with your backwards values and vision for this country and its future. Also, this is not how you go about changing constitutional amendments to begin with! As outlined by the f****** law! Congress and state legislatures must vote to ratify an amendment! It can't just be unilaterally changed by the political party in power. But what does the law matter to a president who flouts constitutional traditions, defies court orders, threatens judges, violates democratic norms, abuses his executive powers, ignores checks and balances, oversteps congressional authority, commits flagrant injustices, has massive conflicts of interest, obstructs investigations, weaponizes the DOJ against his political enemies, and whose behavior is more consistent with that of dictators, fascists and kings than American presidents.

Love how Trump went as an intimidation tactic and ended up running home with his b**** tail between his legs.

I'm actuallly shocked that Gorsuch and Roberts are pushing back against the Trump Administration with questioning on this birthright citizenship issue. Well, I guess you take what you can get.

Did Trump actually show up this time or did he chicken out again? I thought the article would mention it one way or the other ...

Listening to the audio, I would have thought arguments at the Supreme Court would be on a higher intellectual level lol

I'll wait until I see how they vote. Sometimes this is all public theatre and they vote against it anyway. See Roe v Wade

Don’t be giving Trump any ideas assholes …

The correct answer to this is “yes, unless you want to make the further argument that they’re not under the jurisdiction of the United States, which would spontaneously create hundreds of countries within former U.S. territory and have bizarre administrative consequences that would only be partially foreseeable and would certainly cause both a constitutional crisis and extreme uncertainty as to who has the right to administer almost all land west of the Mississippi… as a start,” but somehow I don’t think the people asking this question are even capable of understanding its implications.

The gop chief, aka grifter in charge, was at this SC hearing for one reason only and We the People know it was to intimidate the justices. Before today, Rump could not tell you who a native American was or is. His dementia ridden brain can only describe them as someone born in a shithole country, which it seems, he is making the US a shithole country every day he remains the king of clowns.

“That depends - how do they vote?”

The reason this is relevant is because: When the 14th amendment passed Native Americans were NOT considered natural born citizens. Since on their land they are not “Subject to the Jurisdiction” of the U.S., and thus the 14th wouldn’t apply to them. That is why there was the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924 that grants them citizenship at birth as well. There are multiple Supreme Court cases affirming that Native Americans are not “subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S.” on their own land. Since they have their own police and internal laws themselves. There are federal treaties with each tribe though that does impose some laws on their land due to the treaty agreement. However, if we are taking Sauer’s definition of citizenship based on domicile. Then the 14th amendment WOULD have applied to Native Americans since they do live within the U.S. Which, again, contradicts multiple cases that occurred at around the time of the 14th amendment affirming the opposite.

The fact that they are doing all of this under some weird great replacement conspiracy theory tact is insane to me. How many millions did this cost just to be told, sorry the constitution is clear. Ironically it also showed Trump directly that “his” scotus appointees aren’t willing to blatantly ignore the constitution. He got his feelings hurt and stormed out like a petulant child

these are the times I love Gorsuch

what the f*** is this? they are literally arguing only white people are Americans

My Question: If undocumented immigrants are not "under the jurisdiction of the United States", then couldn't they claim that anytime ICE tries to round them up? Just state "I'm not under the jurisdiction of the United States and claim diplomatic immunity."

What is the legal definition of "birthright citizen"? Citizen by descent, citizen by place of birth, or both?

Anyone born here is a native american.

I am so confused by this court's standings on nearly everything. THIS is the line for them?

Never thought I'd see someone try to sound dumber than Trump.