>We have found that the mercenaries are themselves migrants, recruited from countries including Pakistan, Syria and Afghanistan, and that they can be rewarded with cash and mobiles looted from other migrants, as well as papers that, in effect, allow passage through Greece.
Anyone else finds disturbing the fact that the ones who get to stay are the ones willing to employ violence against defenceless people?
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superbit4155 days ago
+84
Like they say migrants will do the jobs no one else wants because its the only jobs they can get.
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soulstormfire5 days ago
+22
This is why I support most migrant-friendly laws.
I'd rather have mostly dads working for their families than only those with the highest criminal energy.
We are -indirectly- rewarding criminals and punish those who try to enter legally.
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CatacombsOfBaltimore5 days ago
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Defenseless is quite ambiguous to say
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ApeApplePine5 days ago
+379
Illegal migration is crime and should be stop. Unsure if this is the way.
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Cirno-BreastLicker5 days ago
+99
Its insane how other people fails to realise human trafficking is flourishing because of this, stopping thisbl litteraly helps everyone.
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ismudga_g5 days ago
+9
Yeah and so does having legal mechanisms for asylum seekers, but you love to ignore that too
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timberwolvesguy5 days ago
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Come over to the USA and try to explain this to our “open border” people please
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timberwolvesguy5 days ago
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And yet we say this in the USA and half our country can’t grasp that
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ArcadeAcademic5 days ago
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lol people will hate on illegal migration as “crime” but have 3 dui’s. I think driving solo in the carpool lane is a far more immoral and flagrant crime than crossing a border to feed your family.
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GilbyGlibber5 days ago
+32
^ This is Listnook delulu at it's finest
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ArcadeAcademic5 days ago
-13
The difference between illegal and legal is a judges stamp of approval. Keeping people in an illegal status is a choice by those in power. Legalize them.
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GilbyGlibber5 days ago
+10
No, because population growth has systemic impacts on the economy, housing supply, infrastructure needs, funding on said infrastructure (taxes?), law enforcement reflective of population numbers, etc. and so forth.
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ArcadeAcademic4 days ago
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This is just cope. Governments around the world can handle making migrants legal without swamping the system. It’s been well documented in America that immigrants provide more in tax revenue than they take in benefits. You’re just wrong. What has a more detrimental impact on society is forcing undocumented peoples to remain undocumented and that has impact on the economy and society.
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GilbyGlibber4 days ago
+5
You are implying that legal and illegal migration are the same. They are not. Everyone knows controlled immigration has benefits and there is due process that includes proper vetting and limitations to ensure such. The issue is uncontrolled migration. Stop coping that they are the same.
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ArcadeAcademic4 days ago
+1
No, I’m not, but Everyday illegal migrants are made legal through immigration hearings. Have more hearings, make more legal citizens. Conservatives know we need more workers for the economy… that’s why they are lowering the age to work… but that’s besides the point. Making people legal for an immigration crime is like expunging a DUI. You are painting these people like that are Drug Kingpins… but they have committed a non-violent civil infraction. making them legal is as simple as a stroke of the pen. This energy towards immigration is Manufactured Outrage and racism from conservatives.
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GilbyGlibber4 days ago
+2
This is not about hate. This is about creating a logical working system, which people like you have zero regard for.
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Bitterrootmoon4 days ago
Bullshit. I call bullshit.
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batistuta_pso5 days ago
+20
Driving drunk is a worse crime than illegal immigration, but illegal immigration is also a crime that needs to be punished (less then a DUI imo) to deter everyone from doing it.
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feibrix3 days ago
+1
Did you step on a wasp's nest? Why have been down voted to oblivion? Why so much hate against people trying to feed their families?
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DerkleineMaulwurf5 days ago
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Its a made up crime/law though, at the end power defines hierarchy and nothing else.
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DocRedbeard5 days ago
+61
Every crime is a made up crime
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blob85435 days ago
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What should probably stop is people like you with very strong opinions on immigration talking about it without knowing the basics of it. Seeking asylum is legal.
edit: couldn't care less about downvotes from far right bros and bots
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Spirited_Bend38135 days ago
+252
Seeking asylum is legal if its the first country that is safe, like Turkey for Syrians. To travel through the country to get into the EU for benefits is then illegal immigration. If its Turkish citizens seeking asylum in Greece then thats fine to seek asylum and they should be processed. How some of these "asylum seekers" end up all the way in England is beyond ridiculous to even claim they are such.
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blob85435 days ago
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If what you say is illegal why are some of those asylum seekers granted refugee status in the EU?
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SadSecurity5 days ago
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> Seeking asylum is legal if its the first country that is safe, like Turkey for Syrians.
Complete nonsense.
"First safe country" only applies to countries that signed Dublin regulation. And even then parties can voluntarily agree to take refugees even from "first safe country".
Why are you spreading misinformation?
EDIT: I am downvoted, but still zero rebuttal. Being wrong must hurt.
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nvidiastock5 days ago
+135
If you are going through multiple safe countries to pick a specific one you are not an asylum seeking fearing for your life, you are an economic migrant and can go back to where you came from.
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PlasmifiedKarmelita5 days ago
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I am Ukrainian and fled to Belgium in 2022 because I lived in the country before and speak one of the languages (french). Should I have been considered an illegal immigrant the moment I went past Hungary since its the first country I passed through?
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kblkbl1655 days ago
+36
I guess so? You can have the most valid reasons to go to another country. What's being argued here is if you qualify as someone seeking asylum.
All the reasons you mentioned are sensible, IMO. But they make it clear that you went to Belgium because you decided that was the better place to go to.
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nvidiastock5 days ago
+6
No, you don't get considered an illegal immigrant if you file paperwork with the government. You may apply to become a legal immigrant, but not an ASYLUM SEEKER because you were not fleeing danger in Hungary, you just wanted a more comfortable life in Belgium.
This is the issue, asylums were meant for people FEARING THAT THEY MIGHT DIE and its now being abused by people that want more money, or more comfort. You want more money and comfort? you're not an asylum seeker.
You're afraid for your life? Stay in Hungary.
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batistuta_pso5 days ago
+4
If you did not cross the borders illegally, you are not an illegal immigrant? I assume that every country you went into allowed your entry as someone who is displaced due to war.
I’m just making assumptions, but you didnt burn your passport and give them no way to understand who you are?
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Lanky_Cobbler8865 days ago
+32
>Art.31:
>The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, **coming directly from a territory** **where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1**, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence.
The argument is that their life was not threatened in Turkey.
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Early-Vermicelli33225 days ago
+25
Turkey is a safe country.
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SadSecurity5 days ago
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Reading comprehension truly is a rarely met gem these times.
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Early-Vermicelli33225 days ago
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Turkey is a safe country, nobody gives a shit what a hideous Dublin regulation says.
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SadSecurity5 days ago
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Guess what buddy, nobody also gives a shit what random listnookor says.
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UltraCarnivore5 days ago
+16
...said a random listnookor.
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Wallsworth12305 days ago
+10
You are down voted with plenty of rebuttal.
It's not misinformation. You're simply wrong. Even if we grant the assumption that a person really is fleeing political persecution and not just an economic migrant, their refugee status does not entitle them to go anywhere on earth they want.
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SadSecurity5 days ago
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> You are down voted with plenty of rebuttal.
None of which was ever relevant.
> It's not misinformation. You're simply wrong
One guy was staring bullshit with no evidence backing him up, another one was bringing irrelevant article from human rights, other one flat out said he doesn't care about Dublin regulation, but I am wrong?
Buddy, you just saw the replies and instantly took them for valid rebuttals with no analysis whatsoever.
> Even if we grant the assumption that a person really is fleeing political persecution and not just an economic migrant, their refugee status does not entitle them to go anywhere on earth they want.
Based on what?
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blob85435 days ago
+2
Far righters are nothing without misinformation.
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KaitoAJ5 days ago
+15
Seeking asylum should be done through proper channels, not crossing the border illegally like that. Simple.
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blob85435 days ago
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Proper channels are normally not available or only available in very limited numbers, with some exceptions like Germany during the Syrian war.
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EmotionalHighway5 days ago
+85
I mean why f*** up Greece?
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Nuke5085 days ago
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Turkish people were in Central Asia during the Trojan war and didn’t come to Anatolia until nearly 2,000 years later…. Anatolia was occupied by Greeks, Hittites, Lydians, etc during the mythology of the Trojan war
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Lanky_Cobbler8865 days ago
+6
Trojans were Turks? You learn something new in listnook every day!
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ColdhandzEUW5 days ago
+2
Please say sike right now
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InOutlines5 days ago
+1
So close and yet so far
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DumbDumbHunter5 days ago
+192
The comment bots are all over this one. Careful to not spend too much time arguing with Russian and NK bot farms
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ManagementOk48415 days ago
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Why would the Russian and NK bot farms be anti-illegal immigration? They would obviously be pro-illegal immigration because that's a terrible policy.
This is a classic "appeal to both sides comment" so I just want to point out that the "bots" are the ones that are ultra pro illegal immigration when everyone who is over the age of 15 knows that's dumb.
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SadSecurity5 days ago
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> Why would the Russian and NK bot farms be anti-illegal immigration? They would obviously be pro-illegal immigration because that's a terrible policy.
Lmaooooooooo
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putin_my_ass5 days ago
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For their purposes they aren't on a "side", their only intent is to sow discord and division.
So your bots take any and all positions all at once, and when someone bites, you argue hard frustrating and infuriating them and making them feel like their fellows are against them.
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ManagementOk48415 days ago
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To be more specific, they take extremist positions, like being pro-illegal immigration.
They would also take the position that "all immigrants are evil," which is extremist from the other side. They don't take the position that "illegal immigration is a problem and should be reasonably dealt with," which is reasonable but would get you banned from the politics sub.
My main point is that Listnook generally kind of agrees with the first position, even though it's super extremist, so people don't think it's bot-supported. The OP of this comment chain responded that he's essentially pro illegal immigration.
Like it's really obvious that extremist left wing positions are pretty popular and supported on Listnook. There's not a lot of value for bots to come in and say "immigrants are all evil" because they just get downvoted. There's a ton of value for bots to say "illegal immigration is really good and should be unrestricted! No borders!" because a significant portion of real people on Listnook actually agree with it even though it is obviously incredibly stupid.
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putin_my_ass5 days ago
+4
They will take any position that causes someone to bite if they can sow acrimony in the process. Regardless of how extreme or pedestrian that opinion is. They will also fake consensus, its about flooding the zone and confusing and angering as many people as possible so they simply check out.
The Russian model.
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Dalmahr4 days ago
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"I'm not extremist you're extremist"
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DumbDumbHunter5 days ago
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Because fascist authoritarian regimes need us to hate each other.
I'm not familiar with the issues in Greece but I can almost certainly guarantee they're not being caused by immigrants. If you hate immigrants, it's easier to make you think they're causing your problems rather than the billionaire/ruling class that's actually bankrupting you.
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batistuta_pso5 days ago
+10
Two things can be right at the same time. Billionaires are the core problem for most of the economic issues we have in the world, but letting undocumented immigrants from different cultures roam the streets attacking people at night will not fix any od those problems.
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ManagementOk48415 days ago
+11
Why do you keep taking away the word "illegal"? Why are you even talking about "issues you aren't familiar with"?
Here's something we can probably agree on - the world would be a better place if people who "aren't familiar with the issues" don't talk about the issues. Do your part.
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NerdManual5 days ago
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But do report them. There’s a catch all ”bigotry offensive“ category for the sub that probably has a counter on it before it triggers, so let’s use it.
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mb000135 days ago
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its insane how obvious it is. lots of comments making good points or even quoting sources, getting heavily downvoted with no replies. someone is spending a lot of money to try and turn listnookors against asylum seekers.
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Larry_Bobinski5 days ago
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>turn listnookors against asylum seekers
Jfc. Could possibly have more of a victim complex? Calling all dissenting opinions "bots" should already be enough but you manage to get even further in your fragility
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SadSecurity4 days ago
+1
You felt called out because someone was talking about bots? Just how fragile are you?
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StillJustJones5 days ago
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I bloody hope they are bots, because there’s some inhuman fucko posts. How can you tell?
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Ancient-Bat17555 days ago
+3
One sign is bots usually have numbers after auto generated names like mine, at least Russian bots often do.
I forgot to create a username and let it auto generate or this is a pre-recorded prompt hehe.
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BirdyJoeHoaks5 days ago
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To be fair, a majority of greeks are extremely racist and petty. Many of you dont know their true face because you went there as tourists.
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HotChilliWithButter5 days ago
+40
There’s racists everywhere bro that doesn’t make illegal migration justified
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BirdyJoeHoaks5 days ago
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I was not justifying. I was talking about the appalling coments.
You instead are justifying comments calling for r*** of immigrants by masked scumbags.
Yes, Turkey is also scum for using desperate people to destabilize europe.
Yes, a lot of coments here are made by genuine greeks.
Yes, great part of emigration is illegal because is desperate people that mostly emigrate and nobody wants them.
Second
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MhmNai5 days ago
+5
"a majority of... \[insert nationality\]" is always the premise of a racist statement. Nice self-report
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Nosferatucky5 days ago
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Don’t forget the Tel Aviv bots.
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nanovirusguy5 days ago
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Also Israeli bots. Don’t waste your time as I did.
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ChomiQ845 days ago
+7
Well that's one way to do it. Whether it's moral, I don't know, if it's effective, I also have no idea...
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freckles08105 days ago
+111
Not all heroes wear capes, some wear masks .
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seecat465 days ago
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> Our findings reveal allegations of brutality, with witnesses reporting **migrants being stripped, robbed, beaten and even sexually assaulted**
> Pushbacks - forcing migrants and asylum seekers back across borders without due process - are generally considered illegal under international law.
> We have since pieced together information from migrants, former mercenaries, police sources, official documents and leaked transcripts:
> One border guard told a disciplinary hearing they had information, reported to their superiors, that **mercenaries had been raping female migrants**
> Two migrants and an ex-mercenary say they saw extreme violence by both mercenaries and Greek police, **including people being beaten until they passed out**
> **A migrant says a masked man took off her daughter's nappy in the hunt for valuables**
> We have found that the mercenaries are themselves migrants, recruited from countries including Pakistan, Syria and Afghanistan, and that they can be rewarded with cash and mobiles looted from other migrants, as well as papers that, in effect, allow passage through Greece.
> It said they subjected the migrants to physical and verbal abuse including &&"death and r*** threats, intrusive and sexualised body searches," as well as beating, stabbing, restraining and theft of personal property.**
> **The report said that the migrants were then forcibly transported back to Turkey, in violation of EU human rights law.**
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slimeyy_025 days ago
+14
Extremely sad, like yeah illegal immigrants are a problem but surely this ain't the way to handle these things. Pathetic that people are celebrating such crimes against humanity.
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zyqax_5 days ago
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blob85435 days ago
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Everything you highlighted is appreciated by far righters.
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stumperr5 days ago
-22
They're unwanted. They should take the hint
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blob85435 days ago
+2
Not everyone in Europe is anti immigration.
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stumperr5 days ago
+2
Why are you saying anti immigration as if they is only two positions?
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Traditional_Club_8205 days ago
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International law ain't worth nothing now a days. Get with the times.
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seecat465 days ago
+14
So r*** and theft us fine now?
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blob85435 days ago
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The times of the far right losing more and more support in Europe.
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DomhnallTrumpet5 days ago
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So Muslims vs Muslims?
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CantaloupeSuch23725 days ago
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Yeah, threatening people with r***, beating them, and sexually assaulting them as you search them are things Superman totally did.
If these other comments are true and these are essentially human pawns, they’re probably super poor and were given no other choice by their home country.
Imagine celebrating those people being assaulted. I don’t give a shit if they are deported, but this is dehumanization. Shit is evil and we need to knock it off as a species. Everyone celebrating this is just propagating evil.
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Sxualhrssmntpanda5 days ago
+13
Ah yes, it's usually the masked ones doing the good work when it comes to interacting with unarmed civilians...
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SadSecurity5 days ago
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You aren't going to fool us ICE thug.
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HeavyArmsJin5 days ago
+13
Greek Ice?
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blob85435 days ago
+10
Probably worse despite this being ignored for 5 years.
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uusrikas5 days ago
+80
Sounds good
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seecat465 days ago
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> Our findings reveal allegations of brutality, with witnesses reporting **migrants being stripped, robbed, beaten and even sexually assaulted**
> Pushbacks - forcing migrants and asylum seekers back across borders without due process - are generally considered illegal under international law.
> We have since pieced together information from migrants, former mercenaries, police sources, official documents and leaked transcripts:
> One border guard told a disciplinary hearing they had information, reported to their superiors, that **mercenaries had been raping female migrants**
> Two migrants and an ex-mercenary say they saw extreme violence by both mercenaries and Greek police, **including people being beaten until they passed out**
> **A migrant says a masked man took off her daughter's nappy in the hunt for valuables**
> We have found that the mercenaries are themselves migrants, recruited from countries including Pakistan, Syria and Afghanistan, and that they can be rewarded with cash and mobiles looted from other migrants, as well as papers that, in effect, allow passage through Greece.
> It said they subjected the migrants to physical and verbal abuse including &&"death and r*** threats, intrusive and sexualised body searches," as well as beating, stabbing, restraining and theft of personal property.**
> **The report said that the migrants were then forcibly transported back to Turkey, in violation of EU human rights law.**
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Dense-Purchase26435 days ago
+22
I will translate this message to the parts that matter:
the invaders came from turkey, they suffered some casualties when trying to invade and spread the word that it isnt an easy process now, turkey will not be held accountable for sending invaders to greece.
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nanovirusguy5 days ago
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People escaping from destroyed countries are ‘invaders’ now? What do you call those who destroyed their country in the first place?
Stop spreading blatant lies.
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frendzoned_by_yo_mom5 days ago
+40
Turkey is destroyed country now? Lol
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nanovirusguy5 days ago
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You are willingly derail the topic.
Very much of the Middle East is destroyed and destabilized. They are escaping from countries like Syria, Iraq , Lebannon. Turkiye is not destroyed, but it’s a fact that we can’t provide all these people with our crumbling economy. People want to have better lives.
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Dense-Purchase26435 days ago
+43
They are not running away from Turkey, they are in turkey because they were brought there so they can be transported to greece because turkey wants to hurt greece because of their territorial disputes
when a nation sends people to your shores in order to hurt you, its an invasion, no matter how creatively they try to frame it
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nanovirusguy5 days ago
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They are. The living standards in Turkey is very low because of devaluation of lira. People suffer so people want to leave. Even our well educated people immigrate to western countries for better life expectancy.
You want to be mad at us for this but it’s not something you can control well as a country that has 3 sides facing the sea and also having a refugee crisis at the other end of the border.
We really don’t care about what Greece does or implies against us here, we are already tied up with our eastern border.
As a side note, we don’t actually tell bad stories or demonize greeks here, we speak Greek people as ‘komşu’ which means neighbour and we refer to them lovingly. I know Greek state media wants you to do the opposite but in the end, we’re all the same people from the same land.
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Lanky_Cobbler8865 days ago
+17
>People escaping from destroyed countries
I'm sure Turkey is no paradise but calling it a "destroyed country" is a bit much... isn't it?
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nanovirusguy5 days ago
I didn’t mean to say Turkiye is destroyed. You can very clearly understand this from my other comments. Those people that escape their country are not Turkish. They are mostly Syrian, Iraqi and Lebanese. Which, their countries have been bombed for a long time.
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Koala190420225 days ago
+3
You are the reason why countries get f’d up by illegal immigration. A very strong stance must be taken or things go bad quickly.
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Tartuffiere5 days ago
+30
"migrants' is a cute way to describe fighting-age invaders
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bergmoose5 days ago
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working age. Old enough to be mobile, not yet too old to be mobile. All different, less loaded ways of deacribing the same thing. Except a lot of these victims are literally children and babies, so hardly of "fighting age" anyway.
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Tartuffiere5 days ago
+13
They are not children or babies. Stop lying.
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MercantileReptile5 days ago
+9
This goes well beyond "regular" pushback.
>They also said that there was information these "illegal migrant boatmen" had been "taking migrants to the woods, raping the women and taking their money" - something they claim to have raised with higher-ranking officers.
So, in essence greek authorities just "hired" the next best migrants who then turned pushback into a business opportunity.
At what point did it sound like a good idea to create a profit motive for the most violent among migrants?
Cops pushing migrants back across the border is one thing. Illegal, inhumane - not the point.
Robbery, r*** and beatings? That is some medieval shit.
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Choom015 days ago
+16
Good job protecting the borders Greece. There are simply too many people entering Europe. We need to protect the borders, and a strong frontex.
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This_Reply_34105 days ago
+9
Bbc reporting is a joke
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snorigepetter5 days ago
+5
Good, we need more of this
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Hethsegew5 days ago
+5
Good job!
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thatirishguyyyyy5 days ago
-6
It's not even bots im worried about in these comments, it's the high school edge lords that are somehow in their 30s commenting that im worried about.
These people vote.
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Zen15 days ago
+56
Hot take: people on the internet referring to hateful comments as “bots” is copium so they don’t have to accept that real human beings feel that way . That’s the scarier part to me, that these people actually are real and exist in my country.
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soulstormfire5 days ago
+11
They are real, but they are also amplified here. They're louder and more prone to use the internet.
It's a big issue, but not as big as it looks on the internet.
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mb000135 days ago
-4
i agree with this. in the last few years, its felt like listnook has become our generations (millennial) facebook. used to be a place for discussions and keeping up with your interests, but now its full of average dumbasses spreading misinformation and getting worked up about right wing talking points
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skoomski5 days ago
+2
Not it wasn’t. There use to be several high profile sublistnooks that were full of filth most have been banned now. Nostalgia is powerful I know but in general bots are much more prevalent on the internet than a decade ago go. It’s all the same everywhere.
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Choom014 days ago
+1
You mean, it used to be a nice echo-chamber, but now there are people with different opinions too. Terrible
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Wowdadmmit5 days ago
+26
If you believe in the democratic system then you'd understand that it's working as intended when everyone gets a vote, even if you don't like their opinion.
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wowlock_taylan5 days ago
-14
This is how the fascist wave rose in Europe. Everything is being blamed on the 'immigrants'.
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skoomski5 days ago
+3
They rose to power because the economy collapsed and they scapegoated the “others” but they weren’t mostly immigrants they were fellow citizens in their own country.
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AllLiquid25 days ago
+2
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Crescent-IV5 days ago
-13
Cancerous comments here
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seecat465 days ago
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> Our findings reveal allegations of brutality, with witnesses reporting **migrants being stripped, robbed, beaten and even sexually assaulted**
> Pushbacks - forcing migrants and asylum seekers back across borders without due process - are generally considered illegal under international law.
> We have since pieced together information from migrants, former mercenaries, police sources, official documents and leaked transcripts:
> One border guard told a disciplinary hearing they had information, reported to their superiors, that **mercenaries had been raping female migrants**
> Two migrants and an ex-mercenary say they saw extreme violence by both mercenaries and Greek police, **including people being beaten until they passed out**
> **A migrant says a masked man took off her daughter's nappy in the hunt for valuables**
> We have found that the mercenaries are themselves migrants, recruited from countries including Pakistan, Syria and Afghanistan, and that they can be rewarded with cash and mobiles looted from other migrants, as well as papers that, in effect, allow passage through Greece.
> It said they subjected the migrants to physical and verbal abuse including &&"death and r*** threats, intrusive and sexualised body searches," as well as beating, stabbing, restraining and theft of personal property.**
> **The report said that the migrants were then forcibly transported back to Turkey, in violation of EU human rights law.**
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tadayou5 days ago
-55
F*** ICE, I guess?
We in Europe love to look and scream at other country's problems (and don't get me wrong, the US deserves to be screamed at right now). But it's so easy for us to forget how utterly inhumane and disgraceful the EU border is and how laws have made less oversight and regulation possible, paired with frequent human rights violations.
Edit: Oh, a reminder of the EU committing atrocities at its borders is not what the kids want, eh?
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Extension-Toe-70275 days ago
+28
Ok it's a fair point but it's going require a shit ton of money to take care of a lot of people that show up at doorstep and the economy of Europe is not exactly thriving right now. Maybe we shouldn't be giving a bunch of ammunition to the far right because if this type of migration was something good, and that people loved, I guess everyone would have noticed that by now, and they haven't.
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blob85435 days ago
-25
Most immigrants want the opportunity to take care of themselves, they don't want or need to be taken care of.
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BasementMods5 days ago
+12
immigrants under x productivity/education actually cost the country they are living in a hell of a lot of money over their life time, that they are all universally productive and a value add to the economy is a myth that has done an insane amount of harm and damage.
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terrorkat5 days ago
+4
Yup. Thank you. To add to that, the Mediterranean is by far the deadliest border in the world right now, close to 30,000 people have been estimated to have died or disappeared there between 2014 and 2023. That's compared to about 8,000 deaths and disappearances during migrations *all over the Americas* in the same time span.
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Larry_Bobinski5 days ago
>Edit: Oh, a reminder of the EU committing atrocities at its borders is not what the kids want, eh?
I dunno about that. But I'm not Greek either, and unlike most of you I don't get off telling other countries what to do.
Or maybe I'm just not enough of a doomer to cry in the corner when I read news like this, so I just have to make a comment for good boi points.
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Pervy-Platypus4 days ago
-1
They are using ICE in other countries now? Oh great heavens
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timberwolvesguy4 days ago
+1
There’s literally been border patrol for hundreds of years across the world
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Pervy-Platypus4 days ago
+1
I was being facetious
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wowlock_taylan5 days ago
-16
Man, this place loves to go full MAGA when they hear 'immigrants,' huh?
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Capital-Control3084 days ago
We now know where ICE goes on vacation
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thebarkbarkwoof5 days ago
-39
That's such a strange thing. How did they think of that?
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Reality_conserv5 days ago
-115
Greek police are murders who should be prosecuted for their crimes
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Cautious-Life-34605 days ago
-4
Oh so like the US?
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deathtotheemperor5 days ago
-9
Imagine what a f****** disappointment Greece must be for the migrants who do get through. "I left my home for this shithole?"
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