NATO is never going to let Turkey go, no matter what they do. They’re too strategically important.
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tedsmitts5 days ago
+169
The Bosporus is important, anyway.
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Malkochson5 days ago
+166
And that Bosphorus is protected by the second largest army in NATO. An army who has been in a higher state of preparedness for active combat missions than every other member save the US for the better part of two decades. An army who is revitalizing and innovating its military arsenal at blazing speed.
Lets stop pretending that Turkey's importance begins and ends with the Bosphorus. Corrupt and authoritarian its leadership may be, Turkey is still one of the only countries in the world able to reliably project military power for an extended period of time without depleting its reserves or emptying the war chest.
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Duckbilling25 days ago
+45
it's not as though the USA has 50 nukes parked in turkey tho
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Thurak05 days ago
+54
> An army who has been in a higher state of preparedness for active combat missions
They also invaded northern Syria, so they have actual recent combat expertise.
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Malkochson5 days ago
+56
Also conducted massive over-the-border counter-terror operations in Northern Iraq.
Also lets not forget active training/supply missions in Somalia and Libya; both war-torn countries with extremely demanding security needs.
The Turkish armed forces could may well have more recent combat experience than the entirety of the EU put together.
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obs_asv4 days ago
+40
Do you mean entirety of EU? Because I can bet some European countries has more recent experience than Turkey.
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Malkochson4 days ago
+23
You're right; in my head I was referring to western Europe but somehow had a brain fart moment - edited for clarity!
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QfromMars24 days ago
+18
Dude: turkey is in a big Inflation spiral for years and their own industries arent exactly booming so to speak. Their Military Relies on conscripts and has a lot of old Equipment that is now Phased out by scetchy turkish-developed stuff with data not really shown.
Sure, they have a big army and airforce, as well as interesting Drone capabilities, but to say bigger than any other NATO member besides the US is wild. GB, FRA and ITALY all have more abilities to project Force overseas.
From sheer Numbers even the Nordic countries as well as poland, spain, romania and Greece come Close (because i guess you counted in Reserves).
All in all Turkey is Definetly a strong Part of NATO, but the geography of turkey is Definetly the factor that elevates it from an Average big member to a really important one.
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ColtonComeau4 days ago
+13
Not even the Greeks are scared of the Turks.
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WorriedInterest41144 days ago
+4
Project military power where? They have been fighting in their neighboring countries, not halfway across the globe
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Hungry-Register99604 days ago
+3
A smart leader, yes.
These fucks? Lol
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gooberfishie5 days ago
+80
Maybe if Israel were in NATO. If the threat of attacking Denmark didn't end nato, I doubt this will.
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socialistrob5 days ago
+50
> If the threat of attacking Denmark didn't end nato, I doubt this will.
The threat to Denmark did a lot of lasting damage to NATO. There's really no upside for members in coming out and saying "NATO Is dead" so even if they believe it's dead they're still going to at least on paper play along and pretend it's alive.
I think for a lot of Europe they're hoping that they can just get through January 2029 without Trump declaring the US won't honor Article V and without an attack on a member state. They're hoping that after that point the next US president honors the treaties. At the same time "hope is not a strategy" and one of the reasons that European countries are rapidly rearming and sending so many weapons to Ukraine is because they don't trust the US.
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Zor_z5 days ago
+78
Hosting an internationally recognized terrorist group in your borders is far worse than empty insinuations. I still think Turkey will get away with it anyways, but it's worse in a lot of ways
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Kooky_Craft1235 days ago
+12
Turkey supports NATO...
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gooberfishie5 days ago
+3
Most nato members do. Hungary and Yankistan being exceptions of course.
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Wayofchinchilla4 days ago
American and Europe need to let Israel go
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ihavestrings4 days ago
+8
Because training terrorist is good! /s
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LurkerEntrepenur3 days ago
+2
Unironically average listnookor mentality
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MajorGeneralMaryJane4 days ago
+66
Especially when you consider the source
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Weird-Student-93024 days ago
+30
Invade deez nuts.
No country on earth could invade Turkey. It’s so funny how some listnookors think Turkey is a random country in the same bracket as Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine etc. Israel looks invincible and could effortlessly destroy any target they deem dangerous but all of their foes that they managed to topple were bunch of clans cosplaying as states.
Everybody knows those countries are artificial states created by the British and French after WWI for the sole purpose of destabilizing the region.
The only power Israel has faced that could be compared to Turkey is Iran, and we see how that one goes with unlimited and unconditional support from the US. Mind you Iran has been embargoed for decades and have no meaningful air or naval force, completely disconnected from the world and very easy to demonize.
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Ecsta4 days ago
+5
Why would Israel even want to invade Turkey? It makes no sense.
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BillyJoeMac90954 days ago
+3
In the end, Turkey's actions will be constrained by its membership in NATO.
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ShermansFieldOrder665 days ago
+198
Since the IRA is back will they be joining their old friends in Turkey?
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uvero5 days ago
+91
The IRA is what now
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ProXJay5 days ago
+103
These been a number of car bombs in northern Ireland again. Not sure if it's as far as the IRA being back though
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CDoch105 days ago
+77
They aren’t “back”. They do shit all the time it just happened to be a slow news day which then made headlines. Different IRA from back in the day. This new group do shootings and other terror stuff all the time.
Source
I live in a pro ira neighbourhood.
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mcfc_0995 days ago
+6
Living in a pro-IRA neighbourhood must be scary, no?
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zombietrooper5 days ago
+68
Not if you're pro-IRA.
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mcfc_0995 days ago
+5
Fair point but do you think they’re on the rise
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YodaFam4 days ago
+5
Live in a UDA area so can't speak purely on the IRA, but no, they're not on the rise, it's a small group of republicans who are doing it purely because they wish they were born 30 years earlier. There's no reason to cause death at this point, a united Ireland is already inevitable and closer every day. I haven't met anyone in my day to day life that would support a return to the violence of the troubles. Albeit I'm pretty sheltered, but they're a minority, and once there are some higher ups arrested it will fall apart.
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mcfc_0994 days ago
+2
In your opinion out of 10 how likely do you think a United Ireland is and why?
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YodaFam4 days ago
+3
It's truly inevitable, educated unionists leave the country to go to England or Scotland, educated unionists that stay can't identify with any of the unionist parties because they're all actual dinosaurs. Then even uneducated unionists in their 20s have a general apathybdue to growing up integrated with "them mins" and I don't think could be counted on to vote in a referendum because they simply don't care. To be clear I'm saying unionists as in children of unionist/protestant parents not that they necessarily have that belief.
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Hot_Disk6354 days ago
+2
What makes you think Irelands reunion is inevitable? Last I heard a very solid population in the north view themselves as British and therefore their kids as British and so on.
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CDoch104 days ago
+4
No I’ve grown up here. Although if you sell drugs/run a business and don’t pay the right people you won’t last long. I’ve also had friends get into fights with the “wrong” people unknowingly and pay for it later if they won.
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CamisaMalva5 days ago
+9
Are they, really?
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SnooChickens15345 days ago
+31
I live in Ireland and thats news to me , you get the odd small bomb every few years but to say the IRA is back is ridiculous.
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unclear_warfare5 days ago
+561
Interesting how the article alleges co-operation of the Turkish state, but provides no evidence at all
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ringtail_catz5 days ago
+74
Turkey has provided financial and material support for Hamas as long as Erdogan has been in office. It’s the reason why the rhetoric between Turkey and Israel has been so heated since 10/07. Now that Iran isn’t in a position to do much and Qatar no longer wants anything to do with Hamas OR Iran (a lot of Iranian financial assistance for Hamas was funneled through Qatar as well) Turkey is seeing an opening to position itself as the main benefactor for Palestinian “liberation” efforts and gain regional influence.
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ringtail_catz4 days ago
+25
You can “call bullshit” all you want, it’s documented reality.
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poulan94 days ago
+11
He called BS because it conflicts with his worldview and he wants it not to be true, not because you are wrong.
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JustTaxLandbro5 days ago
+223
Turkey literally admitted to shielding terrorists which were the Muslim brotherhood who were ousted from Egypt (trying to make it a sharia state)
On top of that they have said multiple times they no longer support the west (and Europe) over the conflicts occurring in Syria, Lebanon, Libya and pre 2000s Cyprus.
They’ve always been a European Pakistan
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TacoIncoming4 days ago
+4
F****** 🦃🤖 comment. If there isn’t cooperation, then it would imply that the Turkish government is unaware that there are foreign terrorists conducting training on their soil. Hell, that’s almost worse lol
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unclear_warfare4 days ago
+2
Unsure what chicken robots have to do with this, but Turkey hosts a huge number of foreign refugees within its borders, literally millions (which is a good thing for them to do IMO). If a few individuals within that affiliate themselves to Hamas and stay underground, it's pretty hard for the Turkish state to spot - they're not exactly going to advertise it. Foreign terror cells exist in a lot of countries (eg France, USA), and it's an ongoing challenge for police in those places
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Mike_Milburys_Shoe_5 days ago
-10
Turkey has always played both sides how is this news to you lmao. This is why they should never be in EU. Not should they be in NATO.
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Kooky_Craft1235 days ago
+6
Turkey is a good NATO ally. They support Ukraine and are anti Russian sphere of influence
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Mike_Milburys_Shoe_5 days ago
+12
Yeah Turkey is such a great nato member lmao. They encroach on Greek waters, still illegally occupy half of Cyprus, still refused to sanction Russia like the EU, and probably do back door weapons deals with them still. Don’t give me that bullshit they’re the epitome of playing both sides lol
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Kooky_Craft1235 days ago
+6
Oh yeah forgot about Cyprus, that sucks
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loskiarman4 days ago
+8
Greek waters according to Greece lol. Illegally occupied for 50 years without anyone lifting a finger because they knew it was needed to stop an ethnic cleansing.
Also when it comes to Russia, Turkey fought them on 3 fronts in last 10 years while EU twiddled their thumbs.
Turkey fought them in Libya supporting UN recognized government while some EU countries backed Russia and a warlord.
Turkey fought them in Syria while EU countries just got what they wanted, fucked over the region and left a year ago and they even had the audacity to denounce Turkey for entering Syria. Turkey fought a maniac that murdered its own citizens and caused a huge refugee wave literally next door while EU was 'omg that is so bad' like they didn't rub their d*** all over Syria recently.
Turkey sold arms to Ukraine, trained Ukrainian soldiers, upgraded Ukrainian gear from communication to transport pretty much in every field to NATO levels, made multiple arms production agreements, starting in 2014 while EU were afraid to anger Russia and were even crying about how we helped them. Then war came along and it was thanks to Turkish drones that Russia's rush to Kiev was stopped, do you need to look up again and see their burned convoys for kilometers long? Meanwhile EU was hoping Ukraine would roll over to Russia and they wouldn't need to lift a finger or lose their precious gas, they were writing strong worded letters and sending f****** helmets. It took a lot of people protesting their government to politicians to go 'oh shit we gotta actually help them'.
So maybe be glad there is actually an active NATO member like Turkey instead of all talk, profitmongering others.
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MayDayBeFourth4 days ago
+3
Turkey and Russia have made many deals supporting Russia.
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Current-Function-7295 days ago
+50
> The operatives, who wear civilian clothing, regularly participate in training sessions on the use of small arms and tactics at public shooting clubs, as well as training in drone operations. They have even received official licenses to fly drones in Turkey, the report said.
They’re just there doing civilian things.
Getting the drone license is trivial and something you do online.
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BekanntesteZiege4 days ago
+24
I got a drone license for free after filling a 40 question test.
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Current-Function-7294 days ago
+11
Yes, even famous goats can do it.
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seclifered5 days ago
+41
How are they getting in and out of gaza? Israel literally has it surrounded except for the closed egyptian border. I don’t believe Israel is letting thousands of hamas fighters out
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Particular_Bug04 days ago
+43
They dug a tunnel from Gaza, under the Mediterranean Sea, to Turkey
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melixxa4 days ago
+9
This is sarcastic right? Lol
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reigenx5 days ago
+174
Where is the evidence?
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mbashs5 days ago
+39
It’s a jpost article. Is legit. /s
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CamisaMalva5 days ago
-14
Erdogan literally admitted to it last year? lol
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Syn_Ick4 days ago
+52
Have a source?
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Aquillifer4 days ago
+6
'It came to them in a dream'
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Battlefleet_Sol4 days ago
+52
This article contains lies. First of all, it portrays Türkiye as having provided military training. In reality, anyone residing in Türkiye can receive drone training and practice shooting at the firing range.
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tikolman5 days ago
+147
Looks like Turkey is next in Israel's sights.
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NegevThunderstorm5 days ago
+66
Turkey's leader has threatened Israel numerous times
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stivonim5 days ago
-7
turkey has israel in it's sight more like.
Erdogan said bunch of times how he can "take jerusalem" if he needs to
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LePetitConcombre5 days ago
+36
Erdogan will say whatever he can but he will walk the line like the good dog he is
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Consistent_Rent_35074 days ago
+4
Walk the line as in keep the peace? The horror! /s
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hswilson265 days ago
+17
Well if Erdogan says it then it must be true..
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stivonim5 days ago
+55
it's not about if he really means it, it's about how popular it became in his country to say turkey should use it's army to destroy israel
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Rick-burp-Sanchez5 days ago
+64
So the US is going to invade/bomb Turkey in 5-20 years. Got it.
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GloomWorldOrder5 days ago
+16
That's optimistic of you.
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Qwarkl15 days ago
+39
That buffer zone is going to extend to Istanbul
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Colonelclank905 days ago
+82
So if I'm reading this correctly people are going to civilian gun clubs and getting basic firearms training and practice, joining civilian drone clubs and learning to fly drones and then using those skills to fight Isreal in occupied Gaza and Occupied Lebanon. It doesn't sound like the Turkish government is doing this on purpose. The article headline makes it seem that way, but the article itself doesn't say that the Turkish government is purposely training terrorist militias.
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Beebajazz5 days ago
+60
Jerusalem post. I don't trust the source.
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elchapoguzman5 days ago
+34
It worked well all so far for every country doing so
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MaksimilenRobespiere5 days ago
+64
So another Turkey bad “news” from radical far-right from Israel huh?
Interesting.
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ColegDropOut5 days ago
+48
Hm wasn’t turkey on the list of the next country to be attacked by Israel? Not suspicious coming from jpost at all!
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Behemothheek4 days ago
+3
No, definitely not. Turkey is a nuclear weapons holding NATO member with a defense budget 5 times bigger than Iran. It’s also significantly less threatening to Israel than Iran is. Israel isn’t attacking it anytime soon.
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Not_a_N_Korean_Spy5 days ago
+18
Really? Not enough with Palestine, Lebanon and Syria? (And Iraq, Iran). Now you want to build consensus to eventually attack Turkey too?
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likely-high4 days ago
+3
Then Egypt
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Mogwai_Man5 days ago
+11
This isn't state sponsored.
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hkotek4 days ago
+13
Psyop initiated.
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ringtail_catz5 days ago
+2
Trump has been wanting to peel the US away from NATO literally since the 1980s. I find it very unlikely that Congress will agree to it (which they will have to do in order to completely remove the US from NATO because it’s a Congressionally approved treaty).
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omniuni5 days ago
+12
This is why Hamas needs to actually be dissolved.
While everyone is busy somehow shifting blame to Israel, it's worth considering: regardless of your opinion on how Israel responded, Hamas brought incredible destruction to Gaza by starting that fight. As it stands, Gaza will have decades of recovery ahead of them. Does it make any sense to train more terrorists to start another war like this?
It should be a reminder that Hamas does not care about Gaza, and they never have. They will sacrifice Gaza over and over until either they are eliminated or Israel is eliminated. And only one of those stands any chance of happening.
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senior_yoda5 days ago
+17
Source: Jerusalem Post. Yeah sure buddy
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HorselessHorseman5 days ago
+9
False flag to attack turkey up ahead. Israel been drooling to attack turkey forever. Turkey is a key NATO member though which means if you attack turkey everyone else in NATO has to defend turkey. But conveniently US has been trying to back out of NATO. Writing is on the wall. They want Turkey to get attacked and for it to not have NATO protection
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DRKMSTR4 days ago
+4
I was wondering why some random countries declared war on Turkey.
Good ol intelligence agency wars. 🤦♂️
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Old_Boah5 days ago
+4
Increasingly clear that Israel will never be able to fight a popular war. They're going to have to figure out a) how to end wars so that the world can move on or b) find a new way to combat terror cells that doesn't target civilians. Because the current method is just going to lead to more anti Israel thought forever.
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likely-high4 days ago
+2
> find a new way to combat terror cells that doesn't target civilians
Are you talking about the IDF?
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xadiant4 days ago
+3
Yyeeaaah regardless, Turkish army consists of ~500 thousand active personnel. There is some corruption, but nowhere near Lebanon or some shitter rebel force. Anything less of nuclear attack would be a suicide mission for Israel.
Before all that hopefully Mr. Yaho kindly throws himself into a hole in Gehenna.
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LudicrousPlatypus5 days ago
+5
Is this the start of Israel attacking Turkey and claiming it is self defence?
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Complete-Sort16175 days ago
-28
Turkey is so terrorist state sponsor baby girl.
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Abu_Nimr5 days ago
+24
There should be a captcha on English language articles so at least the commenters can speak an understandable level of English
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rhnltnsy165 days ago
+4
Title is ragebait because article says some Hamas-affiliated people are living in Turkey and practicing at public shooting ranges.
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Elderberry4ever4 days ago
+2
Cue an Israeli a ‘defensive’ attack in 3,2,1…
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Schuperman1616164 days ago
+2
This reeks of those soft psyops that prepared us for a war with Iran as it's "liberators"
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