Countries will immediately call on them to disarm and seek peace, right?
Expect a statement from Spain any moment now.
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enigmaticowl4 days ago
+178
They’re too busy reveling in their literal very recent “matar judíos” festivities.
Not even joking.
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OpTicSkYHaWk4 days ago
+28
Wow, that's insane to have around in 2026. For anyone wondering, Wikipedia and Google translate this as "Killing Jews" and it's a common holy week traditional festival in areas of Northern Spain.
P.S. A Spanish village until 2015 was named "Fort Kill Jews", and is now "Jews' Hill Fort".
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meaning-of-life-is424 days ago
+2
Ferdinand and Isabella live beyond the grave
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PeksyTiger4 days ago
+12
"It's just anti zionism"
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ahkian4 days ago
+20
Holy shit reading the Wikipedia article about this is wild. The origins are literally a pogrom that was stopped by free alcohol and until recently the festival included making effigies of Jews to burn
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O5NR4 days ago
+17
Yeah no wonder these countries hate Israel.
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Sliphe5 days ago
+91
Spain is soo spineless, useless piece of shredded western country
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coffeelick4 days ago
+4
We know and they know that you execute terrorists. So they won't surrender. There's no reason for them to
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Advanced_Aide31914 days ago
-8
Why should they? Everyone knows they are a terrorist organization, thanks to Trump’s “Peace deal” the matter has been left and forgotten, he has smeared his poop all over it and no one wants to touch it.
The Israelis on the other hand, are fine with Hamas, as long as it gives them a chance to decimate the Palestinians once a while, a literal golden goose just like Hezbollah.
If they really wanted this to end, they would give the Palestinians their own nation and country, stop encroachment in the west bank.
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PrestondeTipp5 days ago
+737
Terrorist group reject idea of not having weapons to commit acts of terror.
Gee whiz
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+20
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SomeRandomGuydotdot4 days ago
+22
To this day there are still splinter groups that remained armed, even in Northern Ireland. I think the real tide turning isn't just the disarmament, but the sincere belief that peaceful reunification by voluntary referendum is the most just solution.
As far as I know, there is no equivalent solution in Palestinian Israeli conflict, and it shows in polling (in both countries(country like collection of people)).
Even the GFA was actually *the second attempt* at a similar political solution. The Sunningdale agreement was in *1973* before being tanked by the unionists. It took a lot of cultural shifting before it was palpable for all parties involved.
Edit:
For clarity, this context is to point out that peace talks need to happen even if they are rejected. You never know when there's going to be a Sunningdale moment and the seeds of a lasting peace get planted. Without official negotiations, it's hard for those that desire peace to coalesce on workable solutions.
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Designer_Professor_45 days ago
+345
Ahh I should be expecting a new greta thunberg freedom convoy in another 6 months when Hamas pops off another conflict then digs in defensive positions in the middle of a city and acts like they don't know why civilians are being killed?
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lingeringneutrophil5 days ago
+104
The three cans of tuna they threw into the Mediterranean as “help for Gaza” were so useful…. Saved millions of lives and almost the whole conflict
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najalitis4 days ago
+12
Imagine if they had four cans!
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Beargeoisie4 days ago
+40
A new flotilla already set sail. I guess they really like giving Israel boats
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warsage4 days ago
+24
People don't realize these flotillas happen all the time. This is, what, the eleventh or twelth one? There were like five them last year alone.
None of them have ever accomplished anything, either in terms of delivering aid or in terms of modifying Israel's behavior. The Greta one only caught so much attention because it was unusually large and it had Greta on it.
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TheIncredibleHeinz4 days ago
+16
I'm hoping she tries to sail though the Strait of Hormuz.
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torina-to5 days ago
+106
lol If they disarm, the civilians of Gaza will tear hamas apart. How else can Hamas terrorize them?
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BigChampionship87684 days ago
+41
I would say that most of gaza civillians still support hamas.(could be because they curently has the weapons and money)but they still support them
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Ultra_Metal4 days ago
+31
Hamas chooses to carry out more murders, rapes, torture and kidnappings.
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steeviev4 days ago
-22
Just like Israel lol
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Dangerous_Pause20445 days ago
+45
Ahh yes, clearly they care a lot about their civilians
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New-Eye99304 days ago
+5
Unfortunate. looks like Gaza isn't rebuilding any time soon.
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No_Computer_77214 days ago
+2
Oh they gonna be rebuilding a lot of home-made missiles asap
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lingeringneutrophil5 days ago
+54
But it’s all Israel’s fault!!!
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Zinged204 days ago
-48
Israel is also refusing to disarm
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SpaceDudeTaco4 days ago
+18
You realize making impossible demands of Israel is only going to get more Palestinians killed.
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Zinged204 days ago
-3
You realize making "impossible" demands of Palestinians is only going to get more Israelis killed? Especially once it inevitably loses western support?
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SpaceDudeTaco4 days ago
+11
The cycle continues and it's worse for Palestinians. Israel needs the west less than ever, Netanyahu dogwalked trump into a war with Iran and basically got all their geopolitical objectives and when the western support dries up, the golden leash as Israeli conservatives call it, Israel will have no one to stop them from doing whatever they want.
And if you think china or Russia won't step in to replace the USA as Israel's partner in the region you're delusional.
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SpaceDudeTaco4 days ago
+8
Your plan is to do a world war against Israel?
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lingeringneutrophil4 days ago
+48
Which kinda makes total sense if all raging Islamists are calling for its destruction
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Zinged204 days ago
-50
By this logic so does Hamas refusing given Israel is successfully preventing a Palestinian state with violence, rather than just calling for it.
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lingeringneutrophil4 days ago
+28
How is Islamabad today?
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Zinged204 days ago
-36
How is being incapeable of rationally defending your position so you throw out pathetic ad hominem attacks? If you are curious why Israel is rapidly losing it's western support look no further than your own behavior.
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belortik4 days ago
+14
Your argument is irrational and was met with an appropriate response
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Zinged204 days ago
+3
If that was the case you'd be able to rationally counter it rather than psuedo-religiously asserting it's wrong and throwing out ad hominem, which is not an appropriate response but instead logically equivalent to conceding the argument.
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codkaoc4 days ago
+12
What part of the ceasefire called for Israel to disarm?
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Zinged204 days ago
+3
The ceasefire called for a path to a soverign Palestinian state. Not once did Hamas ever agree to disarm to anyone but a Palestinian state. Israel refuses to recognize one, so of course Hamas refuses to disarm.
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F4ntasticPants4 days ago
+12
Israel never agrees to disarm, it was never part of the plan.
Hamas *was* part of the plan to disarm.
Guess the bombings will continue then ?
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Zinged204 days ago
-1
Only in phase 2, which never arrived. The only way Hamas will ever give up their weapons is to a Palestinian state.
The bombings may continue until Israel inevitability loses it's western support, at which point it will be the one getting bombed with no iron dome to save it.
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F4ntasticPants4 days ago
+3
That's very optimistic of you. I would like what you're having.
The hard reality is that it doesn't really matter what Israel does. They could go full Genghis Khan, line up people infront of a trench line and execute them - and the western countries will still not withdraw complete support.
It's simply because they're far more useful to the world economy than the Palestinians, and they align politically with the West. Without the West's support, Israel will simply turn to China / Russia. No country in the West will ever attack Israel, simply because they have nuclear weapons.
Now, of course none of that makes it *right*, but it *is* the reality.
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Zinged204 days ago
+2
China recognizes a Palestinian state. Absolutely zero evidence for your claim that they'll randomly start supporting Israel militarily.
Israel has been "useful" because of it's status as a US ally. But it isn't 1967 anymore, the region is filled with US allies. Support for Israel is already dramatically unpopular and it becomes more unpopular by the day. It won't be long before it's impossible to win an election without campaigning on an arms embargo against Israel. It might not be 2028 or 2032, but the arrival of that day is a [demographic inevitability](https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/60-of-gen-z-in-us-support-hamas-over-israel-survey/3674391).
If Israel uses its nuclear weapons then every single Israeli will very obviously die on the blowback. That's why it's called the Samson Option. If Israelis would rather commit suicide than have a 2SS on the 1967 borders with western security guarantees then that's its prerogative. I welcome it to try and get those nukes accross the Atlantic.
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Amadeus-Zeta4 days ago
+2
The issue isn’t really with the 2SS or 1967 borders, but with a full right of return and the continued existence of Hamas. Israel has shown willingness to give up land and tolerate less than friendly regimes in the past, but are understandably drawing red lines there. And from a negotiation standpoint, it makes sense. Hamas is militarily defeated. They couldn’t stop Gaza from being invaded. Their #1 supporter, Iran, is a little too busy right now to help them. Their allies in the area have been getting systematically wiped out. And they are completely dependent on aid to survive. They really don’t have any cards left to play.
The person you replied to mentioned that the West wouldn’t *invade* Israel because they have nukes. Israel doesn’t need to send them over the Atlantic, they could detonate them on the invading forces or the bases they operate out of. But before that, the current support for the Iran war is thin at best and we haven’t sent any ground troops in. I don’t think there is any will for an invasion against Israel.
They probably could partner with Russia and/or China pretty easily. Israel and Russia worked together not too long ago on weapon deals. I am sure Russia would also welcome their support against Ukraine. They also have several common enemies in the area, and I guess the West would add a bunch more. Israel would also be a great partner for China for weapon development and testing. Israel also owns and has a ton of experience with the F35 and knows a lot about US military doctrine. The Mossad also shouldn’t need any explanation. And while China recognizes a Palestinian state, they are also committing some pretty bad atrocities on their own Muslim population.
I don’t think trying to invade Israel or force them to accept unreasonable terms will have the effect you believe it would, or would be better for the world or the Palestinian people. I think the US has a lot of soft power that it can and should use instead. The problem is that our current administration fully support their actions. And, with how politically divided we have become, I don’t see any politician or party taking that middle ground.
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+2
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NoString92894 days ago
+13
Of course they did, just as they rejected other hopes for peace for their people that they freely offer up for Martyrdom. They are obsessed with their religious Jihad War . They don't care about peaceful coexistence, if they did then Hamas and the P I J Jihadists would not have re-started this war in 2023 when they , Hamas in league with Iran, broke the pre-existing ceasefire agreements with Israel.
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BigChampionship87685 days ago
+53
So what should israel do?
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xmuskorx5 days ago
+217
Finish the Job, and remove Hamas from power by military means.
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mr1275 days ago
+99
100%
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BigChampionship87685 days ago
+13
But europe says not to do it
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7287665 days ago
+67
“If we have to have a choice between being dead and pitied, and being alive with a bad image, we'd rather be alive and have the bad image.” - Golda Meir
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-drunk_russian-5 days ago
+133
When Europe deals with the waves of rockets, suicide-bombings and miscellaneous terrorist attacks from radical Islamism, who is gonna get atop the high horse?
And I *do* mean when, not if.
That doesn't mean that the Israeli government isn't corrupt (it very much is) or that the IDF lacks transparency and consequences for bad behaviour (it does), but you can't expect an entire country to lie down and die against an enemy that time and time again rejected peace.
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xmuskorx5 days ago
+68
europe would probably bend over and give up, to be honest...
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-drunk_russian-5 days ago
+21
How did France do after all those ISIS attacks? Remember that? Are they prepared for the next wave? It is only a matter of time since the root causes didn't disappear.
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Prysorra24 days ago
+2
> but you can't expect an entire country to lie down and die
Yes you can, and they do.
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No-Appeal-73164 days ago
+2
Just don’t make terrorists killing innocent around the world. Too hard for you to understand? Or maybe you need to born again to feel how your subculture works? Parasites
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Main-Mountain11744 days ago
if the muslims are smart they'll just wait to outnumber us and they'll take power without a civil war, just like they did in lebanon.
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-drunk_russian-4 days ago
+15
Lebanon did have civil war. Over a decade of it, in fact.
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Main-Mountain11744 days ago
+2
my bad. but the demographics certainely led to the end result.
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Iperusereddit4 days ago
+6
It’s beginning. They call it jihad by stealth. We’re sitting back and watching it happen.
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Incorrect-Opinion5 days ago
+60
And Europe does not live in Israel.
Israel should be able to make their own decision of protecting its citizens and defending itself against Hamas. This can only go on for so long. They need to be disarmed, or this will continue forever.
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Goosepond015 days ago
-41
>They need to be disarmed, or this will continue forever.
goes both ways.
if you use too much force to get rid of terrorists you are going to increase the civillian damage, you are then going to anger innocent people, those people are going to become less sympathetic to you and if you push them far enough will become terrorists.
it's why you can't stoop to the level of terrorists when dealing with them.
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Incorrect-Opinion5 days ago
+38
Half a million German civilians were killed just from Allied bombing alone during WW2. Similar to the Germans of that time, Palestinians in Gaza have been raised on antisemitic ideology. You have kids in UNRWA schools with textbooks glorifying martyrdom and the killing of Jews. UNRWA teachers have been caught celebrating October 7th. Some UNRWA employees literally participated in it.
The difference is that Israel is not blanket bombing Gaza the way the Allies bombed Dresden or Tokyo. Israel drops leaflets, sends text messages, makes phone calls, and uses roof knocks to warn civilians before strikes. Name another military in history that does that.
Your argument is basically “if you fight terrorists, you create more terrorists, so don’t fight them.” What’s the alternative? Let Hamas keep their weapons after they massacred 1,200 people and took 251 hostages? Just accept it and hope they don’t do it again? Hamas has literally said they would do October 7th again and again.
The radicalization problem is real, but it doesn’t start with Israel’s response. It starts with Hamas running Gaza like a terror state for nearly 20 years, spending aid money on tunnels instead of schools, and teaching children that dying while killing Jews is the highest honor. That’s the cycle that needs to break, and it doesn’t break by leaving Hamas armed and in power.
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xmuskorx5 days ago
+42
you don't go "hey let's leave Hitler in power in 1945 because bombing military targets in Berlin may cause German population to hate us."
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IveKnownItAll5 days ago
+19
Really? I don't see Japan and Germany out there committing acts of terror, do you?
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FireRonZook5 days ago
+40
It doesn’t matter though. They’re radicalized by their own people and by the money Europe pours into UNRWA schools that teach jihad and killing of Jews is glorious.
There is literally nothing Israel can to that radicalizes them anymore than the cradle to grave teachings they already get. Not that I’m saying Israel should have a free hand to do whatever either.
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SmokingPuffin5 days ago
+14
>it's why you can't stoop to the level of terrorists when dealing with them.
Sure you can. Ain't nobody committing terrorist attacks against the Mongols. More recently, there have been some attempts at terrorizing the Russians and they have successfully quelled such action by means of brutality.
On the other hand, the "winning hearts and minds" strategy has precious few examples of successfully quelling resistance.
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Happy_Feet3335 days ago
+9
>*if you use too much force to get rid of terrorists you are going to increase the civillian damage, you are then going to anger innocent people, those people are going to become less sympathetic to you and if you push them far enough will become terrorists.*
Proof:
All the Japanese terrorists that Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and the firebombing of Tokyo spawned.
Oh, wait...
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Goosepond015 days ago
-3
So one of the most hotly debated acts of destruction perhaps ever is your singular example, wow uh well done.
What about Iraq, Afghanistan, anti terror operations in Africa, Vietnam, Ukraine, Ireland/NI, and countless other examples.
and do you want to know what happened during and after WW2, did the allies needlessly punish and attack innocent people (to some degree yes) but largely we focused on reconstruction and reeducation, after Germany murdered millions of innocent people we helped rebuild their society and peacefully shape it.
It's been proven multiple times that you can't really bomb a society in to full submission, and in situations where it has happened the innocent loss of life has been so high that it will remain a scar on humanity forever regardless of valid justifications.
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Happy_Feet3335 days ago
+8
You are no longer talking about the same thing.
You wrote:
>*if you use too much force to get rid of terrorists you are going to increase the civillian damage, you are then going to anger innocent people, those people are going to become less sympathetic to you and if you push them far enough will become terrorists.*
Which is part of WAR.
Now you are talking about the peace afterwards.
The two are not the same thing.
I agree that, in the peace/occupation afterwards, the occupier does need to be focused on reeducation and reconstruction.
But again, you weren't talking about that peace afterwards. You were writing about the war that precedes peace. And no, too much force in the pursuit of war (causing more civilian damage), does not typically result in more terrorists once the fighting is over.
It's only with Palestinians that this occurs. And that's because (in the past) Israel didn't take control of Palestinian education and religious institutions after the warfare stopped (like America did after occupying Japan).
And more recently, because Israel has not physically occupied territories inhabited by Palestinians... to even have the ability to take control over their education and religion.
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Goosepond015 days ago
>And no, too much force in the pursuit of war (causing more civilian damage), does not typically result in more terrorists once the fighting is over.
it does and it's a very well studied thing, and no it's not just about terrorists after the 'war' is over, it's about the resolve of the terrorists and turning innocent people in to 'terrorists'.
German terror bombing didn't work,Japanese terror bombing didn't work, allied terror bombing didn't work (the nuke is an exception but that was for clear reasons) it didn't work in many of the middle east occupations either (not terror bombing just general disregard for life)
the more indiscriminate you become with your fighting the more of a justification you give to the terrorists.
If the evil terrorist is carbombing you and killing 20 civillians and 2 soldiers and then your bombing results in the killing of 20 civillians and a few terrorists then the only difference is delivery method.
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Happy_Feet3335 days ago
+9
You keep misunderstanding. You say that *"German terror bombing didn't work,Japanese terror bombing didn't work, allied terror bombing didn't work".*
But you've already forgotten the metric to measure that. Which is the creation of future terrorists.
Seeing that there WERE NO TERRORISTS CREATED because of the "German terror bombing, Japanese terror bombing, Allied terror bombing"... then it obviously has NO BEARING on the creation of terrorists.
Yet you keep saying it does. And every time you do, your justification proves the exact opposite.
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TapCat135 days ago
+4
What did Europe do in war again?
:)...
\- the blackest of historical papers..
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AViciousGrape4 days ago
+3
Europe is spineless. They arent the ones to have to deal with terrorists launching rockets daily.
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TapCat134 days ago
+1
If they did, I think you'd be afraid for their reply ...
Only just after 1945 there was an era with 'peace'.. before, there was no day without some war.
If one continent is very very good at war, its Europe.
Just think of all the enjoyed practise.
Dont think to light of them.. (water, running underground)
Please, let them sleep..
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amjhwk4 days ago
+1
if jews listened to Europe they wouldve ceased to exist as a people in the 1930s if not thousands of years sooner
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Burro944 days ago
Europe can suck on a lemon. Those weaklings are succumbing to an invasion that isn't even armed.
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theultimatefinalman4 days ago
+5
What does "finishing the job" entail?
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xmuskorx4 days ago
+7
Removing Hamas from power.
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theultimatefinalman4 days ago
+4
Can you be a little more specific at what actions you think should be taken?
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xmuskorx4 days ago
+5
Israeli should take civilian administrative control of the area. those who resist this with weapons should be militarily defeated.
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tdrules5 days ago
-29
Just like they finished off the Islamic Republic of Iran lol
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Ronnie_Reads4 days ago
+15
I’m in favor of the plan of transferring east Gaza (under IDF control now) gradually to international control, with the International Stabilization Force, Board of Peace, and the National Committee for the Administration of Gaza. Have the border between east (internationally controlled) and west (Hamas controlled) Gaza guarded either by the ISF or by anti-Hamas clans/gangs in Gaza. Rebuild the east half of Gaza, transition the civilian population there using background checks to keep Hamas out as much as possible. Some Gazans support Hamas now and some don’t, but if you provide them with better opportunities in the internationally controlled half of Gaza, and include schools in this half of Gaza that support and teach peace (see the organization Gaza Children Village), then that’ll help whittle away at support for Hamas.
Pressure them again to disarm after most of the civilian population has been moved out from their control. If they don’t, and if you need to finish them off militarily after that, then it’ll be easier and there’ll be much less civilian casualties. You may first have to gradually increase the Hamas-free land under international control where Gazan civilians can live, so there might be some clashes with Hamas at borders in between.
Not a perfect plan, but better than just throwing more bombs at them and hoping it’ll work this time. There’s too many civilian deaths with the bombings, and as long as there’s support for Hamas in Gaza, even if it’s only from part of the population, then they can keep recruiting more militants. Mass bombings can also risk increasing support for Hamas among Gazans, which helps them grow their ranks.
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Nukes-For-Nimbys4 days ago
+2
Broadly sensible.
Only change is say is make a point of cutting west Gaza in half.
Would give the international half big advantages.
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Goosepond015 days ago
-21
Ideally work with more stable powers in the region and outside of the region to bring the terrorists to justice with the minimal amount of casualties on both sides and a respect for all human life and then work to ensure the region can rebuild a more stable and democratic society.
after that probably put the Israeli government on trial alongside Hamas and return territory they have expanded in to recently.
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Red-Flag-Potemkin4 days ago
+3
Israel hasn’t expanded into any Gazan territory.
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Hrofna4 days ago
+29
It's wild how some subs are so anti-terrorist, while others are gladly pro-terrorist. Insane.
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Zinged204 days ago
-4
Agreed. It's a shame that we can't get universal opposition to militant organizations extensively documented violating international law with impunity such as Hamas and the IDF.
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No_Computer_77214 days ago
+2
As well as the US army, the Russian army, the Ukrainian army, the Rebel and Army in Sudan, the Iranian IRGC and Army ...anddd literally every single other military organization? International law is f****** dead bro.
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andy_moshi4 days ago
+9
From the BBC article:
"The official said Hamas and other factions had informed mediators during meetings in Cairo that they would not begin any talks on the second phase without a "complete halt to Israeli violations, attacks, killings and the ongoing starvation", as well as full implementation of phase one.
According to officials, Hamas is demanding a full Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, alongside the deployment of international protection forces to assist local police in protecting civilians.
A second Hamas official said the remaining requirements of phase one include:
* Completing military withdrawals
* Reopening the Rafah crossing and all crossings to individuals
* Allowing the entry of sufficient aid and commercial goods
* Enabling the National Committee for the Administration of Gaza - a Palestinian technocratic body which will temporarily run Gaza - to operate
* Restoring electricity
* Bringing in heavy machinery for rubble removal
* Rehabilitating hospitals and operating bakeries and water facilities
He added that Mladenov's vision "aligns with the Israeli position" as it linked all issues to disarmament, without providing financial support for relief and recovery plans, leaving reconstruction efforts stalled - something Hamas and other factions reject.
Last month, Mladenov told the UN Security Council that "the laying down of arms by militant actors would represent a decisive break from cycles of violence that have defined life in Gaza for decades".
"For the people of Gaza, the implications are profound: Israeli military withdrawal and reconstruction at scale.""
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jordietb4 days ago
+14
This feels reasonable however understand this is chicken before the egg.
Israel do not want Hamas in power when this happens.
Has to be:
1. Hamas disarmament
2. New Government
3. Phase one/two
4. End Hamas (not on the menu)
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andy_moshi4 days ago
+1
For sure Hamas needs to go, and Palestinians have a new authority (Hamas actually cheated the elections to win) sick of wars in general, and most genuinely want peace.
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Dassiell4 days ago
+7
Its a new age where the vanquished can list demands like a victor due to the judgement of public opinion. 60 years ago theyd have just shrugged and carpet bombed them.
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accersitus424 days ago
+1
Negotiation is not about what each side has lost. But about what they have left to lose.
Hamas will probably be killed by their political adversaries (the same way they slaughtered their political adversaries when they took controll of Gaza) if they disarm.
What is their incentive to negotiate?
It's the same issue in the Iran conflict.
The US and Israel have bombed everything worth bombing already. (Any escalation from this point would go into war crimes territory)
People won't negotiate if they have no incentive to do so, and in Iran's case, they can cripple the world economy until they get what they want, and The US has almost no options.
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andy_moshi4 days ago
+1
Instant video footage and easily accessible information sharing of people living far away was a game changer, powerful nations just can't 100% wipe people or civilizations out anymore and call it a day.
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skeleton9494 days ago
+14
Did anyone actually expect Hamas to do it? They can't be trusted with a damned thing, much less trusted to keep peace.
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No-Intention774 days ago
-18
Israel broke the deal so what do you expect
-18
skeleton9494 days ago
+10
No, Hamas definitely broke it. They were supposed to have disarmed a long time ago.
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exibouchin384 days ago
+6
Morons
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Seagoon_Memoirs4 days ago
+6
Has Hamas released all the hostages yet?
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JD0x04 days ago
+8
It's possible they have. A couple of months back they released some deceased hostage's body and I think it marked the first time in a ***DECADE***, where Hamas wasn't holding any Israeli hostage.
Hamas just needs to lay their weapons down at this point. They have no leverage besides continuing to use Palestinian civilians as hostages/martyrs.
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Seagoon_Memoirs4 days ago
+3
You are right. All hostages, including the babies they strangled, have been returned.
Now Hamas and Islamic Jihad just have to stop sending missiles into Israel and the war will be over.
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njxaxson4 days ago
+2
Yes. Most came back in coffins.
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VHPguy4 days ago
+2
How can they? Any remaining hostages are probably dead.
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Seagoon_Memoirs4 days ago
+11
how about they return the bodies
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Full-Ad-75654 days ago
+2
I'm starting to wonder if isreali actually pay Spain and these other idiots to continue to support the terrorists. It's like the easiest way for isreali to take over.
Um yeah we going to take them out they launching rockets again.
The fact there are any Hamas supporters left in that area shows how truly insane they are. They have a kill rate of like 1-100 or something stupid.
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nikkesen4 days ago
+3
Love it they would but let's be realistic, without the expectation of Israeli value reciprocation through withdrawl, guaranteeing no further attacks, and calling in peacekeepers to help mitigate tensions, Hamas isn't going to disarm. It is easy to say Hamas must disarm but previous ceasefires paint a complex picture. What needs to happen is old fashion peacekeeping.
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The-Great-Mullein4 days ago
+3
Surprise!
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PleaseStayStrong4 days ago
+2
A plan they previously accepted which created the current ceasefire mind you. So remember they made the choice for this war to continue.
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Longjumping-Fly-80144 days ago
+1
Ok good luck with that
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PinFabulous28064 days ago
+1
So you have chosen the path of death….
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Okay-Crickets5453 days ago
+1
Bots are out in force today
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Diligent_Carrot_84105 days ago
-25
I just don't want to fund any of this anymore. It's a pointless waste of money. I want no debt, healthcare and good school.
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DuskOfANewAge5 days ago
-83
It's a damn good thing none of the commenters here actually bothered to read the full article. What kind of world would we have if they had read:
>The official said Hamas and other factions had informed mediators during meetings in Cairo that they would not begin any talks on the second phase without a "complete halt to Israeli violations, attacks, killings and the ongoing starvation", as well as full implementation of phase one.
>According to officials, Hamas is demanding a full Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, alongside the deployment of international protection forces to assist local police in protecting civilians.
>A second Hamas official said the remaining requirements of phase one include:
>Completing military withdrawals
Reopening the Rafah crossing and all crossings to individuals
Allowing the entry of sufficient aid and commercial goods
Enabling the National Committee for the Administration of Gaza - a Palestinian technocratic body which will temporarily run Gaza - to operate
Restoring electricity
Bringing in heavy machinery for rubble removal
Rehabilitating hospitals and operating bakeries and water facilities
He added that Mladenov's vision "aligns with the Israeli position" as it linked all issues to disarmament, without providing financial support for relief and recovery plans, leaving reconstruction efforts stalled -
Imagine how f****** awful it would be if humanity bothered to learn that Hamas just wanted Israel to treat their people with basic human dignity before they agreed to disarm.
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Lpreddit5 days ago
+91
There is nothing in Hamas’ actions that show they care about the dignity of Palestinian civilians. If you’re going to be fooled by their words, so be it.
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Inevitable-Pride-1945 days ago
-44
It's Israel dropping 2 thousand pound bombs on civilians heads not Hamas btw
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Lpreddit5 days ago
+37
Look at the ratio of bombs dropped compared to civilians killed compared to Hamas members/Islamic Jihad killed.
And Hamas launched lots of rockets indiscriminately into Israel. Every accusation is an admission.
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gabagoolwallah5 days ago
+29
Oh wow HUMANITY? They JUST wanted Israel to treat them with respect - they haven't clearly stated that they want to eradicate them? Repeatedly?
Man you're too far gone please move there. FOR HUMANITY.
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Terrafire1235 days ago
+47
There's ***zero*** reason they can't begin discussing disarmament terms now.
Unless, of course, they have zero intention of ever agreeing to a disarmament plan, but can't admit it until they've had a ceasefire long enough to make it politically infeasible for Israel to move against them again even after Hamas starts firing more explosive rockets at Israel.
If that was the case, the BEST thing Hamas could do would be to say, "Oh, uh. Let's talk about disarmament later".
Which is unfortunate, because Israel has made it clear repeatedly that disarmament is like the only red line they're not willing to negotiate on. They're not interested in another October 11th in ten years from now.
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mesopotato5 days ago
+29
>Hamas just wanted Israel to treat their people with basic human dignity
Same Hamas that was stealing aid and then reselling it to those people?
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Anxious_General_32965 days ago
+41
Yes, poor terrorist organisation! It's not like they were using Palestinian civilians as human shields months ago.
Jesus, F-ing Christ, how naive are you?
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LuckyBoneHead4 days ago
+17
You're taking a terrorist organization at their word. That's a sign you've been propagandized. Hamas' actions show something different than their words. They say "they just want respect", but they show they just want dead Israelis. Of course, they claim they just want dead Israelis, and so their actions prove their second claim true and not the first claim about respect. Of course, I can only assume you don't give a shit about dead Israelis.
Imagine if I broke into your house and physically assaulted you and your family, threatened to do this for years and claimed I would completely eliminated every one in your house and my excuse was "I just wanted DustOfANewAge to treat me with respect!"
Now, imagine people coming to you after that violent act and people said "Yeah, well he just wanted you to treat him with respect, so I'm going to ignore all of the incredible violence he's committed against you and judge you infinitely harder than him! Everything he does to you is justified!"
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ThePrincessAndTheTea4 days ago
+5
Not even! Hamas's *words* have also stated they want complete eradication of the state of Israel and all Jews.
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setebos_5 days ago
+39
When they win a war they can ask for money, concessions and help
They lost, badly, lost control of most of their territory, funding and support. They can either disarm and let the Indonesian force take over or stay in the rubble.
The willingness among the Gulf states to fund Hamas rebuilding is over. Turkey hasn't put any money behind its bluster, and Europe will do anything that isn't paying, sending troops, causing inconvenience or requiring getting out of Brussels
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Jugaimo4 days ago
+7
Losers don’t get to set the terms of peace. They capitulate and be thankful for even that.
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Atreyes5 days ago
+12
So what they really want is breathing room to rearm and go again, if they wanted peace theyd disarm
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TheFrickinThrowAway5 days ago
+4
Oh brother this guy stinks! ^
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TapCat135 days ago
+3
We got our chamberlain...
demands?
the instigating loosers, demands?
Cool, as if.. but one can try ..true
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Top_Conference_4774 days ago
Considering Hamas knows exactly what Hamas would do if any of its enemies disarmed, I am not surprised
Projection alone makes it unthinkable for the terrorists
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zokka_son_of_zokka4 days ago
-14
Almost like they've seen what happens when they disarm
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Red-Flag-Potemkin4 days ago
+9
lol did you see what happened when they armed?
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Ma_Bowls4 days ago
-6
This really is the crux of the issue, the PA disarmed and that didn't go very well.
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sonic_couth4 days ago
-4
I wouldn’t be surprised to learn the CPAC funds Hamas.
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sammymammy24 days ago
-17
Israeli bots in full swing, I see
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Royal_Annek5 days ago
-19
What would a disarmed Hamas... Do exactly
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sngldad134 days ago
+10
Certainly not govern in the best interest of their citizens.
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Royal_Annek4 days ago
-9
Indeed. But Israel wouldn't allow it regardless, just like they didn't in the decades before Hamas existed, or today in the West Bank where Hamas doesn't govern.
Governance is impossible there by design. Hamas is the fruit of that labor.
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Jugaimo4 days ago
+15
Don’t need guns to be a government. Maybe lead the people, build infrastructure, foster positive relationships with neighbors. You know, normal government things.
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HYPERNORD5 days ago
-44
Understandable because after that it's goodbye Gaza forever.
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xmuskorx5 days ago
+32
what future does Gaza have of it remains under Hamas government?
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TapCat135 days ago
+10
It is already.. in case you didnt notice.
Unless you see 2.2m people living in an area that will never get that large as before.. only smaller.
Ow, those clouds of dust, no one askes themselves how much asbestos there is in it..
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maghrebibi4 days ago
-11
You can not trust israel. There is no Hamas in the westbank and the people over there are still opressed and murdered every day. This is like when Ukraine gave up nukes by giving them to russia and see where they are today.
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bracilide4 days ago
-11
IDF terrorists must be disarmed first.
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Aggravating_Flow_1124 days ago
-25
Why would they in the middle of their people being ethnically cleansed?
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