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News & Current Events May 6, 2026 at 10:26 AM

Hantavirus-infected patient hospitalised in Zurich as three more evacuated from cruise ship

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Multitude of questions remain over hantavirus outbreak as MV Hondius sets sail for Tenerife
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Multitude of questions remain over hantavirus outbreak as MV Hondius sets sail for Tenerife
A multitude of questions remained over the origin of the hantavirus outbreak on the MV Hondius cruise ship on Wednesday as the confirmed number of cases reached five, and the vessel set sail for Tenerife…

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Full-Damage-2059 May 6, 2026 +447
Letting them dock is crazy to me and the fact that a woman could leave and take a commercial flight and putting others at risk is mind blowing
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vitaminhoe May 6, 2026 +182
When that happened they didn’t know it was hantavirus yet. From my understanding, he developed a flu-like illness, died onboard, and then his body and his wife disembarked at the next stop. They probably thought it was just run of the mill pneumonia, the man was 70. I imagine they started worrying it might be something more nefarious when the wife became critically ill at the airport (later dying) and another passenger died on board. Rare infectious diseases are sneaky motherfuckers. I feel horrible for all involved.
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frugaleringenieur May 6, 2026 +55
\> In 81%, ***hemorrhage*** was evident; in 63%, moderate-to-severe ***bleeding*** occurred. [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11502657/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11502657/) If such symptom ocurred, the guilt is on everyone involved.
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vitaminhoe May 6, 2026 +44
Andes hantavirus primarily causes cardiopulmonary syndrome (ie flash pulmonary edema); when people are hugely inflamed and on the brink of death (from many causes, including sepsis, pneumonia, viral infections, cancer, organ failure) they can go into something called DIC which essentially means your body’s clotting factors are out of whack and you can bleed internally. It’s not unique to Andes virus. Source: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11733103/
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ninjagorilla 6 days ago +3
Correct , anyone who has seen someone with severe pulmonary edema knows that bleeding is not uncommon. Pneumonia is also (I believe)the most common cause of hemoptysis generally, and onboard a cruise ship in which there is likely very limited diagnostic abilities it’s absolutely a Normal assumption to make
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LexTheSouthern May 6, 2026 +4
As a hemophiliac, this is horrifying to think about
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1191100 May 6, 2026 +7
As someone with VWD, I concur
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Star_Denizen 4 days ago +3
Between Covid and this I am never going on a cruise.
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phlipped 3 days ago +1
What about after this?
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Ordinary-Audience363 6 days ago +2
70 is not old. Not these days. I am 75 and my 70-year-old friends are strong and healthy. But then, we don't live in the US..
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vitaminhoe 6 days ago +2
My apologies, I didn’t mean to come across as ageist. I agree with you wholeheartedly, a fit 70 year old has much life left to live. My own grandfather worked on his farm, hoeing, planting and harvesting until 3 weeks before his death at age 96 - he was a force. But of course, not all 70 year olds are healthy and fit.
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Full-Damage-2059 6 days ago +1
What about finding the cause of death and then couldve tested the wife since obviously they are close? Im just asking because idk if they couldve done that in country
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vitaminhoe 6 days ago +7
Hindsight is 20/20, but usually when an elderly person dies it’s not from a rare virus… They assumed it was from something common and unfortunately they assumed wrong.
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Financial-Injury8051 May 6, 2026 +82
What about the talk of letting asymptomatic patients return to their home countries even though the incubation period for the Andes version can be 1-8 weeks!?
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frugaleringenieur May 6, 2026 +29
10 weeks local isolation it is - on land, but not let them stay on an infested ship ffs.
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mulberrybushes May 6, 2026 +6
You can’t evacuate everybody at once https://today.rtl.lu/news/luxembourg/luxembourg-air-rescue-reports-confusing-situation-in-cruise-ship-evacuation-346545019
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frugaleringenieur 6 days ago +1
You can just do things and quarantine them at a harbour hall.
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frugaleringenieur May 6, 2026 +44
Letting them dock is the humane and rightful way to handle the issue professionally. Letting people take a commercial flight is crazy to be and unbelievable risk.
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sw04ca May 6, 2026 +6
It mainly does Antarctic cruises. It's not exactly a 'rich people' boat. It's the sort of thing that middle class people do once in a lifetime.
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thetalkingcure May 6, 2026
not wrong. i looked up prices and they’re about $7K-$15K absolutely in line with what OP describes
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Grouchy_Chip3082 May 6, 2026 +17
She was escorting her husband's body after he died, at that time they didn't know that he had the virus, it wasn't until the 3rd death that they tested them.
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freshfruit111 6 days ago +11
They knew she was very sick though. It's unfortunate and I don't think blaming is appropriate but I'd hope for an abundance of caution when anyone dies on a cruise ship and their wife is displaying similar symptoms.
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Grouchy_Chip3082 6 days ago +8
Actually, I agree... it was a wildlife cruise/tour, they disembark and interact with wild animals.
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Sassypriscilla 6 days ago +5
If this is the case, blaming is appropriate.
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Yourbasicredditor 6 days ago +5
I think blaming is appropriate
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freshfruit111 6 days ago +5
I blame the ship more than anything. This widow was going through something unimaginable and it's natural to want to get off that boat if given the chance. They should have kept her in isolation.
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Spiritual_Extent_187 6 days ago +3
I agree! Nobody should leave the ship for 4-6 weeks
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Imaginary_Sir_3333 6 days ago +2
Human stupidity can never be underestimated" I wish we had some sort of previous virus pandemic scenario, to help model future responses to unknown breakouts of unfamiliar diseases
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WrongLander May 6, 2026 +122
The Swiss health ministry said: "One person with a hantavirus infection is currently being treated at the University Hospital Zurich. The man returned to Switzerland after travelling on the cruise ship on which there were a number of hantavirus cases". 
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norb_151 May 6, 2026 +76
As someone who works at the Zurich hospital: why am I reading about this first on listnook?
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tanbe174 May 6, 2026 +15
Guess you are not the only one at the hospital who is not informed.
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Geschak 6 days ago +6
Probably because they're brainstorming how to announce the news without causing mass-panic amongst the employees.
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Educational-One-6288 6 days ago +1
S gliiche do. Wasn scheiss
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CaughtALiteSneez 6 days ago -2
Typical of the Swiss to downplay things… But not sure what we can even do now.
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NotAskary May 6, 2026 +37
We had this in COVID-19, no need to use movies, there's a recent example in reality.
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Good_Property_2958 6 days ago +2
In Contagion people   die quickly in a day  unlike in Covid ...
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JohnnyOnslaught May 6, 2026 +14
As long as it's not like Virus I'm not gonna panic.
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frugaleringenieur May 6, 2026 +5
How did he "return"?
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neeuqenoeht May 6, 2026 +10
He disembarked earlier, before the cases were so public. He now is isolated and his wife is self quarantined. Also there are a few Hantavirus-cases nearly every year in Switzerland. So we probably shouldn't panic because of one case.
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its_xaro93 May 6, 2026 +13
But rarely the type of the andes variant, wich is the only one transmittable p2p
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Top_Shower_7869 May 6, 2026 +8
This isn’t a typical hanta virus though. The Andes one spreads person to person.
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frugaleringenieur 6 days ago +1
Well, I was more targeting in the way of transport and how that can be possible if the first hanta case was already confirmed before he disembarked - if it was that case. We need a timeline. Publicity doesn’t matter, facts matter if there were irresponsible decisions.
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WhatFreshHello May 6, 2026 +81
I guess we’ll get confirmation in a few weeks when we see how other passengers on the 4/25 flight to Johannesburg fared. The Dutch woman on the plane died after her husband, and then the physician who’d treated them both on the ship died, right? I’m unclear on how many others are sick now. The one person being treated in Zurich and two (?) others who remain on the ship? The messaging re: transmissibility seems to be changing by the day.
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toontje18 May 6, 2026 +36
Based on the local news I could find the following, except case 9. 1 - Dutch male infected and died on the ship, likely infected while bird watching in Argentina, taken from ship at St Helena 2 - Dutch female and wife of man 1 infected, left boat with deceased husband at St Helena, boarded flight to Johannesburg, later boarded KLM flight to return to The Netherlands, was too sick and was asked to leave, died shortly later 3 - German female crew member died on the ship 4 - British female fell sick, evacuated via St Helena to Johannesburg, in critical but stable condition in ICU in Johannesburg hospital 5 - British male crewmember of cruise ship fell ill, in critical but stable condition, evacuated to The Netherlands, being treated at LUMC in Leiden 6 - Dutch male crew member of the cruise ship who fell ill, evacuated to The Netherlands, and being treated at Radboud UMC in Nijmegen 7 - German female related to the other German who died of hantavirus but not symptomatic for now, has been evacuated to The Netherlands and now in isolation at a Düsseldorf hospital 8 - Swiss male who also left the cruise ship at St Helena in Zürich hospital with the virus 9 - Dutch female stewardess of KLM flight woman 2 is being tested for hanta, currently has mild symptoms, being treated at Amsterdam UMC So we have 2 flights women 2 was on, contact tracing is underway. There were rumours of someone from France who was on the same KLM flight tested positive as well, but that does not seem to be confirmed anywhere. Another problematic situation is that dozens of people deboarded the cruise ship at St Helena and went all over the world. Of this group only a Swiss male has been confirmed to have the virus. At first the story was that a male British physician of the cruise ship fell sick, this does not seem correct. Maybe the physician is one of the other sick crewmembers. At least the physician has been replaced by a medical specialist. Based on advice of the Dutch CDC The Netherlands has send 2 additional medical specialists from AMC and UMCU to stay on the ship.
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habitual_citizen 6 days ago +4
Not being facetious at all here and RIP to all of the people who have passed, but what age demographic are we talking?
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toontje18 6 days ago +3
40 to 70
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habitual_citizen 6 days ago +3
Yikes 40 is pretty young
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toontje18 6 days ago +5
Not a fatality, one of the infected. But the Andes variant is a deadly disease, also for healthy young adults.
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RemarkableBread9664 6 days ago +8
Situation seems perhaps worse than we are being told. With an incubation period or 7-40 days this thing could possibly be in multiple places already, a slow show and slow spread is a recipe for potential disaster in a global scale. Maybe with fewer international flights due to the energy crisis this will spread slower than expected. Time will tell
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AppointmentPopular10 May 6, 2026 +46
https://news.sky.com/story/three-dead-as-virus-breaks-out-on-atlantic-cruise-ship-13503266?postid=11638466#liveblog-body It’s actually changing by the hour at the moment.  The doctor is recovering Multiple people made it off the ship The swiss  guy had a wife who is currently asymptomatic and in quarantine- both were hanging out in Switzerland for two weeks
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g0_west May 6, 2026 +43
>A French national who was not on board the MV Hondius has contracted hantavirus after taking a flight with a passenger from the cruise ship, French media reports, citing a health ministry source. Welp there we go. Who could've seen that coming. Did the health officials just sort of forget 2019-2023?
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WhatFreshHello May 6, 2026 +15
Holy shit. Also, an Argentine cover-up? “Two Argentine officials investigating the origins of the hantavirus outbreak on the cruise ship that sailed from southern Argentina say the government’s leading hypothesis is that a Dutch couple contracted the virus during a bird-watching outing in the city of Ushuaia before boarding. They said the couple visited a landfill during the bird-watching tour where they may have been exposed to rodents carrying the infection. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to brief the media, with the investigation ongoing. Previously authorities said that Ushuaia and the surrounding province of Tierra del Fuego had never recorded a case of the hantavirus.” \- AP wire report
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CellistMundane9372 6 days ago +4
Where do you see cover-up? There is hantavirus in Argentina. It's well-known. I'm not sure what indicates the Argentinians were covering anything up, unless you think the Ushuaian authorities have been hiding an outbreak.
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WhatFreshHello 6 days ago +2
I’m theorizing that the desire to continue the flow of tourist dollars outweighed authorities’ knowledge of previous human-to-human transmission.
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g0_west May 6, 2026 +1
If it's got a weeks-long incubation period before symptoms show, that means it's probably something else the passenger has right?
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WhatFreshHello May 6, 2026 +3
It seems to vary widely, days to weeks.
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Grouchy_Chip3082 May 6, 2026 +2
Damn
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mulberrybushes May 6, 2026 +5
Two evacuees https://today.rtl.lu/news/luxembourg/luxembourg-air-rescue-reports-confusing-situation-in-cruise-ship-evacuation-346545019
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freshfruit111 6 days ago +5
I thought the incubation period was longer than a week. This new case in the French person indicates less than a week.
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aaaaaaaarrrrrgh 6 days ago +3
I suspect it's misreporting and all there is so far is "French person was identified as a possible contact", not "French person was confirmed infected", although it could easily be that they accidentally admitted an infection and are now trying to suppress that to avoid a panic. (Isn't it great that the first thing governments around the world did during COVID was to throw their credibility away?) Incubation time is time until symptoms though, so a sensitive test *might* be able to identify it earlier.
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freshfruit111 6 days ago +2
That's interesting. I hope that's true for the sake of anyone on that flight. I guess we will have to wait and see. I was surprised since it seemed like even the husband and wife had a longer incubation period than 7 days or less. It doesn't help that they don't say when the symptoms began for the French individual, how old they are, how ill they are, or even when they were diagnosed.
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Hungry-Kale600 May 6, 2026 +3
Sorry, but how utterly selfish to still go the airport and attempt to board the plane
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WhatFreshHello 6 days ago +20
Old lady who’d just lost her husband and was transporting his body home…I’m sure she was so grief-stricken and ill that she couldn’t think straight. It will be interesting to learn if there were previous hantavirus cases in Tierra del Fuego that have been hushed up. The potential loss of tourist dollars may have been authorities’ overarching concern until now.
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aaaaaaaarrrrrgh 6 days ago +14
If you think you have hemorrhagic fever, yes. If you think you have the flu... please go ahead and tell me that you'd cancel your (almost certainly non-refundable) flight, book a hotel, book a new last-minute flight, and sit it out, spending many hundreds to well over a thousand, just to sit next to two people who are constantly coughing anyways on your new flight.
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Hamkaaz May 6, 2026 +20
Dutch media say that the Dutch woman whose husband passed away boarded a klm plane. She was removed from the plane because of her bad physical state and died shortly after. KLM is now contacting all the people who were on that plane. Another infected person is on the way to an academic hospital in the Netherland were they will be treated in quarantine. The infection specialist from the hospital says that we do not have to fear an epidemic like covid, since the virus doesn't cause massive outbreaks in the countries of origin.
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Grouchy_Chip3082 May 6, 2026 +23
Yeah, but according to reports, a French national who wasn't on the ship had also tested positive for the virus... she was on the same flight as the wife who died.
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Hungry-Kale600 May 6, 2026 +6
Wait, seriously? I didn't think it could spread that easily
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Grouchy_Chip3082 6 days ago +12
Yeah, they said that it could only spread through close contact, like kissing, hugging, etc... but it seems to have become more contagious.
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Top_Shower_7869 May 6, 2026 +11
Because people that usually get Andes virus aren’t taking international flights to airports across the world like has already happened with this.
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Soft_Pin2812 6 days ago +3
> doesn't cause massive outbreaks in the countries of origin. That's nice, but what about outbreaks if we ship everyone infected to every country with Amazon express delivery
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CaffeineDeprivation May 6, 2026 +71
Fuuuck my liiiife Can we please not have another COVID situation...
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livelotus May 6, 2026 +66
The good news is that you wont. The bad news is that it would be much worse.
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Brandanp 6 days ago +6
It’s like Covid but with severe Hemorrhaging and organ failure
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neeuqenoeht May 6, 2026 +18
Generally deadlier illnesses are (well in our time) less prone to epidemics (because they kill their host much more quickly and can't spread as fast). Still we have to be careful.
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613mitch May 6, 2026 +30
You must have not read the incubation window.
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neeuqenoeht May 6, 2026 +7
Well then we might be fucked. Let's hope they actually quarantine everyone on this ship. I hope we learned at least a little bit from Covid.
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Top_Shower_7869 May 6, 2026 +19
They’re not. Spain said they are going to let everyone fly commercial back to Spain as soon as they dock. It cannot be overstated how f****** idiotic everyone involved in this is.
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HolyFreakingXmasCake 6 days ago +7
HAVE THEY SLEPT THROUGH EARLY 2020????
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Soft_Pin2812 6 days ago +3
Everyone on the flight also were given free weekend passes to portaventura theme park to spread it more
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SuicideSkwad 6 days ago +7
And our stupid fuckers in charge in the UK have allowed 2 passengers back in and are trusting them to self-isolate by their own will
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freshfruit111 6 days ago +4
Is that really confirmed? I thought I heard that they haven't decided what they are doing when they dock yet?
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Grouchy_Chip3082 May 6, 2026 +8
Not if it could take up to 8 weeks incubation/asymptomatic period, the infected could be spreading the virus and infecting other people even before they show signs of illness.
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freshfruit111 6 days ago +5
This person from France apparently became sick less than a week after exposure to the extremely ill second case. It must be a short incubation.
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LikesToLurkNYC 6 days ago +2
Ugh and I had heard it was p2p but difficult to transmit like a lot of bodily fluids. Doubt a stranger on a flight had too much closeness.
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freshfruit111 6 days ago +2
It sucks because this would at least be contained to the ship if they hadn't allowed the Dutch widow with symptoms to get on that plane.
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Liviosa 6 days ago +11
Just a quick calming exercise my epidemiologist did with me the other day (paraphrasing): "A few years ago, there was a 'super spreader' event in Argentina. Someone got sick from a rodent, then three people who sat near them at a birthday party went on to crowded social events. 34 people got sick, 11 people died. If this is the apocalyptic Contagion-style disease you're so scared of, wouldn't millions of people be dead in Argentina by now?" It made me feel better Edit: adding a [source](https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2009040)
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Wolfman01a May 6, 2026 +50
Do not let them off the boat. Treat them on the damn boat.
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vitaminhoe May 6, 2026 +25
Boats don’t have ICUs and ventilators. It sounds like all infected people have been evacuated and are currently being treated in various hospitals in isolation rooms across several countries, which is the appropriate place for treatment and infection control. It’s the asymptomatic people on the cruise that haven’t been let off yet and they don’t quite know what to do with.
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glasshomonculous May 6, 2026 +25
Doesn’t matter now does it, it’s in Switzerland and France already
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AccomplishedLeave506 May 6, 2026 -5
The boat is the likely source of the infection. Everyone needed to be removed from it for their own safety.  I'm not a doctor but my assumption is the correct place to put everyone would be some sort of quarantine facility for a couple of weeks. Doesn't sound like that was done. That was the mistake. Getting people off the ship was the correct and proper thing to do.
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Illustrious_Back8463 6 days ago +8
Yeah clearly you’re not a doctor 
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eugeniusbastard 6 days ago +3
They got it in Argentina during a bird watching tour which made a brief stop at a landfill where there were rodents infected with the virus.
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boforbojack 6 days ago +5
Is what they believe*
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AccomplishedLeave506 6 days ago +2
Yes. Rodents on the boat are the likely source of the virus. Which is why everyone needs to be removed from the boat. It blows my mind that people are against this. The longer people remain on the boat the more likely it is that people get sick and more die.
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n8_d0gg91 May 6, 2026 +8
Reminds me of the beginning of Station Eleven
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larapeaches 5 days ago +1
That’s what I was thinking!
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jackp0t789 May 6, 2026 +30
The hospital case was transferred from the ship. It didn't spread outside of the ship because there still isnt confirmed human-human transmission.
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AppointmentPopular10 May 6, 2026 +50
The guy in Zürich flew home on his own together with his wife; Weeks ago
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sunflower53069 May 6, 2026 +13
There was also a lady who flew from the ship with her dead husband and then died the next day. So at least two flights possibly infected with a long incubation period.
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AppointmentPopular10 May 6, 2026 +13
yes 88 people- they are saying now they have reasin to believe a human to human transmission ocurred on her flight https://news.sky.com/story/three-dead-as-virus-breaks-out-on-atlantic-cruise-ship-13503266?postid=11638466#liveblog-body
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jackp0t789 May 6, 2026 +23
The incubation period for Hantavirus is up to 8 weeks. He could have been exposed on the ship months ago and just started getting symptoms recently.
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the_unknown_garden May 6, 2026 +10
He was on the ship in late April, he wasn't exposed months ago.
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scytob May 6, 2026 +7
they also could have been all exposed on-shore as cruise passengers tend to go the same place on-shore
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Shoddy_Gate4909 May 6, 2026 +1
Well yes? Which means he could have spreaded to soo many people in the meantime who won't show symptoms for weeks and they could spread it and so on... this is how pandemics start.
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jackp0t789 May 6, 2026 -1
Its only "potentially" transmissible human to human with extreme close contact, so no... not likely "soo many" people.
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AppointmentPopular10 May 6, 2026 +3
time for you to check in with the french
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Shoddy_Gate4909 May 6, 2026 +2
This is extremely optimistic
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gothicshark May 6, 2026 +36
There is confirmation on human to human on this one, in fact its the ultra rare airborne type of human to human that has been confirmed. The scary bit is usually it takes a lot more time in the same airspace for the Andes version to spread, which is a sign this might be a new mutation.
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AppointmentPopular10 May 6, 2026 +6
this is interesting, but for this one, I would also like a source
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dayoldmeme May 6, 2026 +12
I was skeptical also but then I found this: [https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2p186gyp2o](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2p186gyp2o)
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Icy-Nefariousness530 May 6, 2026 +11
The WHO is treating it as presumed human to human
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Anustart15 May 6, 2026
That doesn't mean it's been confirmed though, just that they are being cautious because it hasn't been ruled out
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Shoddy_Gate4909 May 6, 2026 +4
It's been confirmed by WHO that were no signs of rodents on the ship. It is now extremely likely to be human to human.
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e76 May 6, 2026 +5
Experts seem to think the Andes virus fits the transmission behavior the virus is exhibiting very well, so why do you think it’s a new strain? It spreads from humans to humans via close quarters. Like on a cruise ship. The virus has behaved this way for decades (clusters pop up and then fizzle out), its characteristics are “stable” (probably not mutating), and it fits what is going on to a tee, so I don’t think what you’re saying is backed by facts.
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scytob May 6, 2026
no, just suspected, seems the og source modified its wording and now no longer says that
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ZonerLoner May 6, 2026 +49
Cruise ships are floating toxic waste dumps and biohazard breeding pools. That whole industry needs to not exist. 
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jack-mccoy-is-pissed 6 days ago +4
Poop cruise!
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Zero-Coolz May 6, 2026 +16
I, for one, welcome our new pandemic overlord. As a currently unemployed office worker, I can be useful in staying at home, not travelling anywhere and not contributing to the workload of our unheralded healthcare workers.
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ANORMALITEY 6 days ago +7
The difference with this one is that it’s a 40-50% mortality rate, and no specific antiviral treatment
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DeadlyFern May 6, 2026 +16
Cruise ships are a pillaging blight on the ocean.
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Global-Cheesecake922 6 days ago +5
This feels like it’s going to get out of control…there must be tons of people exposed by now
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Voltae May 6, 2026 +9
How long until the president of Madagascar shuts everything down?
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Soft_Pin2812 6 days ago +5
He's been overthrown by 4 penguins
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Chizuru32 May 6, 2026 +2
Soooo... From 1-10, how bad is it? I assume all that "its a new covid" right now is more or less panic, even if it is possible that there will be a bigger outbreak?
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Grouchy_Chip3082 May 6, 2026 +10
According to news reports, a French national who wasn't on the ship had tested positive for the virus, apparently this person was on the same flight as the woman who later collapsed in Johannesburg's airport and died.
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sooshiroll13 May 6, 2026 +13
So fucked up to even attempt to travel in such an ill state. People are selfish as hell.
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freshfruit111 6 days ago +11
I don't understand a cruise ship letting a highly symptomatic woman with similar infectious symptoms to her dead husband off the boat at all. I can't really blame her wanting to high tail it but cruise ship deaths are disturbing enough that they should take no extra risks.
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monty845 6 days ago +3
> Soooo... From 1-10, how bad is it? I assume all that "its a new covid" right now is more or less panic, even if it is possible that there will be a bigger outbreak? We don't really know. If the French airline passenger really did catch it on the flight, its going to bump this from somewhat concerning, better keep an eye on it, to pretty alarming, monitor closely. Most likely, its not contagious enough to go pandemic, but we don't actually know. If we are really talking a 20-50% mortality rate, and its too contagious to contain, its not the new Covid, its Much worse. We would look back on the Covid response as a quaint practice run. Its not time to panic, yet, but keep a close eye on it...
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ctnguy May 6, 2026 +28
The incubation period is so long (up to 8 weeks apparently) that people will have travelled long before anyone realises there's a problem.
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ErgoMachina May 6, 2026 -4
Dude it's hantavirus, not some weird lab virus...
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RadtroDesigns May 6, 2026 -15
its a disease that has yet to have a 100% confirmed human to human transmission. every report of human to human transmission has been from biased journals. [https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9574657/](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9574657/)
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AppointmentPopular10 May 6, 2026 +18
nope the andes version of the virus is already confirmed to be human to human; also, they would not have started contact tracing for the woman in the South African plane if they thought human to human contact was a low possibility
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RadtroDesigns May 6, 2026 -3
or they want to cover all bases. why not make sure contact tracing is done when its so easy to do in a post covid world. please cite your source for \*proven\* human to human transmission
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AppointmentPopular10 May 6, 2026
none proven beyond people from the ship
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RadtroDesigns May 6, 2026 -5
So your source is "i made it up" Got it
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No_Conversation_9325 May 6, 2026 -14
US, Israel and Russia would be ecstatic though! Just imagine - the world struggling again, countries too busy with lockdowns to keep an eye on wars etc etc. Dream scenario, actually.
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igotfunfonit May 6, 2026 -1
Johnson & Johnson must be walking on clouds right now.
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prettybuglikeanangel May 6, 2026 -11
so when do we bomb the ship
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Shoddy_Gate4909 May 6, 2026 +11
Too late buddy there people infected on land
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whichwitch9 May 6, 2026 -6
It's a known strain of the virus that we can treat. While human human transmission is possible, it's not super infectious outside of very close contact. It sounds scary, but it was likely a condition issue on the ship that caused the wider outbreak, then people being packed like sardines inside it. This isn't a public risk as much as a reminder that cruise ships are disease factories
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Shoddy_Gate4909 May 6, 2026 +22
It quite literally doesn't have a cure and cannot be treated.
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whichwitch9 May 6, 2026 +4
It can be treated. For viruses, you treat the symptoms if you can't treat the infection. That's extremely common, especially because most viral illnesses go undiagnosed as to the specific virus. Early intervention is important because it affects the heart and lungs. They'll be actively doing oxygen therapy on the patients and giving blood pressure meds. They'll also be monitoring kidney function. For previously healthy patients, the prognosis is actually pretty good, and patients just showing symptoms just need to get to a hospital quick and off the ship to improve their odds We know this particular virus and strain and what symptoms to expect. While the CDC doesn't recognize antiviral, there are antiviral that have been used off label for hantavirus with potential success (note: Im not naming, and I say potential cause they have not been studied enough to prove it helped over pure luck. It is a sign, however, we potential do need to explore existing antiviral effectiveness more closely in a controlled setting. And if a patient is bad enough, it won't hurt to try at least)
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RadtroDesigns May 6, 2026 -35
[https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9574657/](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9574657/) its a virus that has yet to have any actually confirmed human to human spread. y'all are out here acting like its some sort of zombie outbreak when the more likely case is there are mice in the hvac
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AppointmentPopular10 May 6, 2026 +29
The article you are citing is outdated if you are taking the current risk profile into account. The first patient on the ship showed symptoms five days after boarding, which means they think he contracted it outside of the ship which means all other patients, including the Doctor whotreated him, got it from human to human contact patient number three was a friend of the couple that died, which means she was in the same room as them, but she obviously did not share saliva so that’s enough
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RadtroDesigns May 6, 2026 -3
\*or\* they all had the same vector. Contact patient number three was also....in the same room, exposed to the same droppings, was also in the same room spending time with them prior to the cruise, and the only source i see stating the doctor is one of the ill is the BBC. It means that there is a very good possibility for infected droppings to be in the hvac, especially if it was contracted in port and the same mice that got the passengers sick were also hanging around on the ship
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kditdotdotdot May 6, 2026 +33
Scientists known for almost a decade that there is a variant of hantavirus that spreads human to human. You can Google 'Andes virus' yourself, and a short abstract is here https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2009040 The WHO know what they're doing and if they suggest it was likely person-to-person transmission then it likely was. They aren't saying for certain it was but they are saying it looks like a possibility.
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jackp0t789 May 6, 2026 +3
Googled it myself, and the human - human transmission depends on extremely close contact... sharing bedding, saliva, intimate contact, etc... not simply being in a room with a coughing person infected with Hanta. This is no covid, or even flu.
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Commercial-Buddy2469 May 6, 2026 +6
The ship doctor has it, too.
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jackp0t789 May 6, 2026 -8
All cases could be explained by rodents pooping in the ships HVAC systems
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Tessablu May 6, 2026 +3
The first patient had cold symptoms while boarding and fell ill five days in. The incubation period of the disease is weeks. So, what, did he get super-hantavirus from the HVAC? And his close contacts coincidentally fell ill weeks later?
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jackp0t789 May 6, 2026 +1
The incubation period is *up to* 8 weeks, but could also be less than a week. It varies from case to case. Some people start being symptomatic within days.
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Tessablu May 6, 2026 +3
So you think this guy had an unrelated cold at the beginning of the trip, then immediately fell ill with a specific strain of hantavirus that is known to spread-person-to-person and typically takes weeks to incubate, and then his close contacts and the doctor who treated him fell ill weeks later in a manner that had nothing to do with their exposure to him?
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RadtroDesigns May 6, 2026 -1
the link i posted, from scientists, shows that that study has faults.
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AppointmentPopular10 May 6, 2026 +7
south african docs confirmed it is Andes 
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RadtroDesigns May 6, 2026 -2
yes, which has yet to have a \*confirmed\* case of human to human spread it has \*rumored\* human to human spread, but every further analysis of the claims of human to human spread have revealed that there likely were other potential vectors of infection
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AppointmentPopular10 May 6, 2026 +5
yes second part is to be confirmed. i am sure we’ll find out lol
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Tessablu May 6, 2026 +8
Polar ships are scrupulously clean and are regularly checked for rodents with dogs. The first patient was ill a few days after embarkation, which is too short for incubation. His wife of fell ill weeks after him, as did the doctor who treated him and another patient. If the WHO says it might have been person-to-person before they even have sequencing back, it was almost certainly person-to-person. 
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martapap May 6, 2026 +2
The ship doctor got sick how do you explain that? The doctors don't come to your room. 
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RadtroDesigns May 6, 2026 -2
Your posessions are covered in infected particles. You wear said posessions to go visif doctor. Doctor gets sick because your stuff is covered in mouse excrement
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No_Conversation_9325 May 6, 2026 +10
yep, let's run a world-wide experiment and see if the suspicions are right! /s
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arveena May 6, 2026 +14
I get flashbacks. Remember November 2020 listnook. Where people believed everything coming out of China and even with people dying in italy. "It was just a bad flu. And kids get coronaviruses all the time" Also this strain is confirmed to be human to human and endemic in Argentina where the ship came from. Not saying that this gonna be a new pandemic but just falsely claiming there is no human to human transmission when even the head of who already confirmed it. Its just dumb
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RadtroDesigns May 6, 2026 -1
Please show me where who had *confirmed* it
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arveena May 6, 2026 +12
Its literally in the article linked... from the goverment of South Africa also the WHO did confirm thats the Andes strain. "The Andes strain of hantavirus, found largely in Argentina and Chile, is the only known variant that can spread through close, prolonged human-to-human contact. The WHO confirmed on Wednesday that ​the outbreak on the cruise ship is the Andes hantavirus."
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RadtroDesigns May 6, 2026 -8
who confirmed that it has a strain that has \*rumored\* human to human transmission. the scientific study I linked showed that all the studies that claim human to human transmission is unlikely and the studies that have claimed that have flaws
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indypendant13 May 6, 2026 +6
They are reporting that this one may actually be human to human: https://www.npr.org/2026/05/05/g-s1-120234/cruise-ship-with-hantavirus-may-have-seen-a-rare-occurrence-humans-infecting-humans
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RadtroDesigns May 6, 2026 -1
"May" is doing a \*lot\* of heavy lifting in that sentence. they have yet to confirm it
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AppointmentPopular10 May 6, 2026 +10
thats true but given the death rate and more importantly the multi week incubation time the odds being extremely outsized risk on the shitty side is not having to do heavy lifting at all as a statement. 
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DevilsAdvocateOWO May 6, 2026 -11
We have had over the past few years monkey pox and bird flu. It seems silly for the news to report so much on this unless it’s easy to transfer human/human. I know it’s a deadly virus but a handful of people who have been infected so far.
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missmermaidgoat 6 days ago -4
There are entries in the Epstein files about causing a pandemic…
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