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News & Current Events Apr 18, 2026 at 5:06 PM

Hezbollah threatens Lebanon’s president: ‘He will lose his status if he meets Netanyahu’

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Hezbollah threatens Lebanon’s president: ‘He will lose his status if he meets Netanyahu’
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Hezbollah threatens Lebanon’s president: ‘He will lose his status if he meets Netanyahu’
Senior Hezbollah official Nawaf al-Moussawi urged President Joseph Aoun not to 'submit to Trump’s dictates' amid the prospect of a historic White House meeting with Netanyahu, as Aoun denounced 'voices of betrayal' and vowed to 'save the country'

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Chadiwack 1 day ago +1734
Ok so pardon my ignorance here, but does Hezbollah just control southern Lebanon south of that main river? Is that what Israel is currently in the process of attacking?
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daywall 23 hr ago +544
Hezbollah is "controlling" the south of Lebanon and they also have a sit in the government. The army cant touch them as Lebanon fear a second civil war so they pretty much control all of Lebanon at this point. They already murdered the last PM and Lebanon was to scared to do anything. Their bank is funded by iran so they always had outside funding to buy support from the citizens that suffered from their actions.
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devilsdontcry 22 hr ago +362
Fear a second civil war… so they let the terrorists grow stronger while living in their country… just so said terrorists could attack Israel.
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ieatyoshis 22 hr ago +267
Exactly. There are no good solutions. Remove Hezbollah? Civil war, and maybe war with Israel due to insecurity on the border. Leave Hezbollah alone? War with Israel, and maybe one day forced into civil war. Contain Hezbollah? Maybe war with Israel, and maybe civil war too. Of course the ideal solution is to not have a well armed, well-funded, powerful terrorist and militant group in your country serving as a de facto government in large regions *in the first place*. But once you do - and this happened decades ago - what do you do then? Especially if they are, in fact, more powerful and better armed than you, the small government of what is by some definitions a failed state.
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devilsdontcry 21 hr ago +170
Sounds like it’s better to rip off the bandaid and just war with Hezbollah to gain back sovereign control of your own country before someone else has to do it due to the negligence spilling over to other countries.
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adam__nicholas 16 hr ago +93
Man, if I was able to give Listnook any money in good conscience, this comment would get platinum. That observation alone makes you smarter than the tens of millions of people who seem to think a country letting itself be taken over by terrorist militants, used as the terrorists’ base and playground for decades, and used to relentlessly attack its neighbour for the crime of existing, is something that neighbour should tolerate forever. The only time the people of Lebanon (not incl. the diaspora) EVER seem to give a flying f*** about their sovereignty and democracy is when foreign Adults In The Room step in to take responsibility for their Hezbollah problem, which they had decades to deal with on their own (or with allies who would have practically begged them to let them help). Maybe that’s just me, but results sure seem to speak for themselves. If your version of “respect my sovereignty” boils down to “leave my terrorists alone to bomb you, hijack your airplanes, and threaten my own country’s government in peace”, you never deserved to have your sovereignty respected in the first place.
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Tavorin 20 hr ago +33
Well the issue is that the Lebanese Army would likely lose without outside support.
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devilsdontcry 20 hr ago +70
Sounds like they should ask for outside support at this point instead of just giving up
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Tavorin 18 hr ago +36
They also won't do that because it would take too long for outside support, if anyone would actually commit fighting troops. In the meantime Hezbollah would take over most of the country. The Lebanese Army also won't get military aid, so equipment, because the corruption is so high that much of it would just end up in Hezbollah hands. They didn't do anything for the past 20 years and just pushed the issue continuously into the future.
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Difficult-Square-689 17 hr ago +11
Yep. Also, anybody with any level of authority is likely corrupt. How much of the army leadership would defect or flee the country rather than fight? Only smart play is to not get involved. Which is probably why the current administration got involved.
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PalantirImperator 14 hr ago +2
US and Israel are literally already fighting Hezbollah- why would it too long? Seems like the move would be to join up with the fighting already going on.
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Comfortable_Cash_140 13 hr ago +3
They either confront Hezballah or are controlled by them and suffer the consequences. Either way, the Lebanese are going to suffer because of Hezballah. I bet many would love just declaring independence from Hezballah and leaving them to suffer the consequences of their actions on their own. Too bad the world usually doesn't work that way.
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VTcamperguy 20 hr ago +86
You left out the “partner with Israel and work together to clear out Hezbollah” option.
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SeaUnderTheAeroplane 20 hr ago +86
That’s another „civil war“ option, just like the other ones
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External_Counter378 20 hr ago +64
Civil War where you have the worlds third best air force is better than civil war where you're outgunned.
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ZePepsico 19 hr ago +18
A.civil war where you kill your own civilians in deadly street fights? What humane government would want to kill its own people? Unless that find magically a way to execute all the members of the military arm during their sleep, there will be no good solution for the people.
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External_Counter378 19 hr ago +32
Civil War was brought upon them by hezbollah. The only thing to determine is the timing and manner of fighting.
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ZePepsico 19 hr ago +6
Only armchair generals (or Lord Farquads) can easily say that civil war is a preferred choice. Not everyone wants to die, not everyone thinks there is another life and wants to risk 100% of their existence or their loved ones. Or worse become crippled. Have you met war orphans, war widows, crippled veterans of a lost war?
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Sayakai 18 hr ago +3
But you risk losing the support of your own people when you cooperate with another nation to attack your own people. You *say* they're terrorists (and yeah they are), but you'll also have to convince the people on the ground who work with them and rely on them as government.
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External_Counter378 18 hr ago +11
The people who work with them and rely on them already don't have your support. You risk losing the people you do have either way. At least you'll have some very powerful aircraft supporting you if you team with israel.
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Vikarr 20 hr ago +3
Yes, but in this example it will bring out all the people you don't want in the country anyway.
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devilsdontcry 20 hr ago +3
Better do it with them supporting you than just bombing and killing civs in the process because thier own government is inept at containing the issue and putting pride aside
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Colbert2020 17 hr ago
Lebanon hates Israel though. They don't even recognize them as a nation. Hezbolah is bad but Israel is killing their citizens and bulldozing their homes. They are not seen as liberators coming to free them from the shackles of oppression. And they'd be right. Israel's main interest is their own well being.
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Seagoon_Memoirs 15 hr ago +4
sounds like Lebanon needs a very strong friend to help remove the anti democratic violent terrorists
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Head-Peak1306 20 hr ago +19
There is a good solution. Pick out the terrorist and destroy them with Israel help.
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Bitter_Thought 1 day ago +780
Hezbollah is part of Lebanons ruling coalition. Together with fellow Shia militants in Amal, they are 30 of 64 members of coalition of the 128 in parliament.
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bigdaddtcane 23 hr ago +1438
Imagine if the Mexican cartel got voted into office and still kept its separate army
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PegasusPedicures 22 hr ago +661
And was funded by Brazil!
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thiagogaith 20 hr ago +84
We are catching strays here... What for? Lol
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kamurochoprince 19 hr ago +100
Just an analogy if a larger neighbour, Brazil is cool :)
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yamanagashi 19 hr ago +13
You just called them butts
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mrpoopsocks 18 hr ago +7
Theyre not, political speaking, as a people, they're pretty cool.
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Whitelung 22 hr ago +46
Hahahahahaha Brazil is like the Iran of South America?
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ieatyoshis 22 hr ago +366
I think their point was more just “geographically large and populous, nearby, relatively advanced, economically bigger, indirect neighbour”.
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PegasusPedicures 21 hr ago +122
Yes, my point exactly! Sorry to any Brazilians I may have insulted
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sxrrycard 17 hr ago +27
You didn’t insult anyone, people just have zero ability to understand simple analogies anymore
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yzerman88 20 hr ago +30
São Tehrançao
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gummo_for_prez 20 hr ago +11
Brazil's needs some proxies.
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beethovenshair 18 hr ago +2
Shia Sunni Portugese Spanish
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hiricinee 19 hr ago +3
They kind of are currently. Lula is unabashedly in the "russia/china/iran" club.
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dr3 18 hr ago +5
Just a BRIC looking for it’s K.
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bakochba 21 hr ago +227
Except they literally said today they are consulting the leadership in Iran, so imagine a Columbian cartel was voted into the Mexican government
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randyranderson- 21 hr ago +77
Colombian
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bakochba 21 hr ago +143
No I meant the university
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FrogsJumpFromPussy 18 hr ago +12
ROFL hahaha
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StetsonTuba8 18 hr ago +3
Those damn British Columbian cartels
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Noughmad 20 hr ago +15
No I meant the shoe company
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Ok-Echidna5936 21 hr ago +21
That’s a potential issue that’s been a concern in Mexico recently. Some law or policy changed that has the opportunity for the Mexican cartels to exploit it by shoving more people they can control into politics. It may have to do with judges but it’s been a good minute since I read the story
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SomeRandomGuydotdot 20 hr ago +27
You realize its an open secret that the Sinaloa cartel is our preferred diplomatic cartel partner? Pretty sure they are also in fact tied to the Mexican government as well.
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Fenor 19 hr ago +6
that's the main point, since forever organized crime wanted people in position of powers, the cartel surely have their own pawns in the government, in the case of Hezbollah and Hamas they also got political parties
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Chadiwack 23 hr ago +52
So is the president of Lebanon voted in by the public? Or is he chosen by the parliament as a head to represent all the elected officials?
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No-Space937 23 hr ago +202
Take 20 minutes and look up some videos on Lebanon's political system, a comment wouldn't do it justice. \*edit This is not meant to be taken as snark, it is seriously fascinating and a wild rabbit hole back to the formation of Lebanon, and the sectarian issues that have enveloped it.
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Not_Campo2 22 hr ago +99
It’s an insanely complex system honestly that stems from their bloody and religiously motivated civil war. You’re right a comment wouldn’t do it justice. Understanding that Hezbollah is essentially the municipal services do a large portion of the population while also maintaining an army and that it essentially can’t be removed without disenfranchising a huge amount of people.
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belortik 22 hr ago +72
If the Iranians didn't fund them they wouldn't be able to do any of those things.
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PW0110 19 hr ago +7
They’re basically symbiotic but yeah everyone’s right no amount of context in a listnook thread could do it justice
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MrDerpGently 22 hr ago +6
And it initially formed in response to the last Israeli occupation of Southern Lebanon. That doesn't make Hezbollah good guys, it just means everything about that conflict is complicated. But also, expecting Hezbollah to agree to Israeli terms that include occupation of Southern Lebanon is probably not going to happen.
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belortik 20 hr ago +45
Hezbollah started because the Iranians wanted to export their revolution and have a way to attack Israel.
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MrDerpGently 20 hr ago +1
What was Israel doing at the time, and where?
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ZePepsico 19 hr ago +18
They invaded by kicking out the Palestinian invaders. Then they kept the south, letting the Syrian invaders control the rest. The fate of that country is to be continuously invaded. Egyptians, Hittites, Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, romans again, Turcs, crusaders , Turcs again,ameliks, ottomans, Egyptians, french, Palestinians, Israelis, Syrians, Iranians. If God exists, he made a point to make the inhabitants of that region as miserable as possible.
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belortik 20 hr ago +30
Having their Ambassador to the UK assassinated, which was their causus belli for the 1982 invasion. Hezbollah started shortly after the Iranian revolution.
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MrDerpGently 20 hr ago +26
And Operation Litani, where Israel invaded and occupied Southern Lebanon before that, started in 1978. And you can name back and forth escalations and provocations by both (and plenty of other regional and global actors) because this is a complicated subject. I have no interest in pretending either side has clean hands, but pretending like Israel is perpetually minding its business when these events occurred is ridiculous.
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Chadiwack 23 hr ago +17
I will have to do that when I get home. Do you by chance have any good recommendations?
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internetroamer 21 hr ago +15
Reallifelore had a great episode on it. It's wild
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Chadiwack 21 hr ago +8
Thank you. Thats a great channel I have watched some videos on, I will check it out.
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PegasusPedicures 22 hr ago +2
Read the Iranian system first so it seems slightly less crazy
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Dongsquad420Loki 22 hr ago +3
Or the Bosnian
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Loose_Skill6641 20 hr ago +44
the more I hear the more I realise Lebanon is not a real country
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YoureNotExactlyLone 18 hr ago +27
My favourite description of Lebanon on a similar thread is “It’s not a country, it’s three religions and five militias in a trench coat.”
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Best_VDV_Diver 20 hr ago +34
Well, it is considered by many to be either a nearly or fully failed state.
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zombietrooper 20 hr ago +18
Hezbollah aside, after that tanker explosion a few years ago and the aftermath, I was convinced. What a shit show that was.
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Mobryan71 17 hr ago +3
Tanker explosion or the ANFO detonation?
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pablonieve 18 hr ago +4
Lines were drawn on maps without consideration for who actually lived there. This is the ongoing result.
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Ecsta 23 hr ago +84
The southern part of Lebanon is where Hezbollah was supposed to have demilitarized/left and is where they are firing rockets from. The terrain overlooks northern Israel so thats why Israel focuses on that.
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AuroraFinem 23 hr ago +28
It’s pretty close but not in total. There’s a few other pockets, but they’re far from Israel’s border and the vast majority are all in south Lebanon where Israel is currently attacking. There are many civilians also living in these areas which is what makes it difficult, but hezballah has more funding than the entire Lebanon army, almost all of which comes from Iran, -80-90%. So Lebanon doesn’t really have the power to control them and Lebanon wants to avoid another civil war with them. The Middle East is just a very unstable region and there’s belligerents everywhere with governments either joining them or unable to control them, so in the end all the innocent civilians pay the price.
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FlyingDiscsandJams 22 hr ago +11
It's estimated they get 1/3 of their funding from operations in Latin America. The group there has separate terrorist designation from the main organization.
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EmperorChaos 23 hr ago +185
Yes Hezbollah de facto controls the South, Hezbollah is the one who started the last 3 wars against Israel and is the one who Israel is bombing and attacking. The vast majority of us Lebanese hate Hezbollah and want them eradicated.
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Chadiwack 23 hr ago +42
That sucks that your country and people suffer because of them. I hope you and your people are able to be safe from the violence that is occurring there, though I know that is way harder to achieve especially in war.
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belortik 22 hr ago +50
They suffer because of Iran.
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Totoques22 21 hr ago +21
Kinda yeah since Hezbollah is funded by Iran and they obey to Iran has shown by when they stated bombing Israel purely cause khamenei died
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belortik 20 hr ago +17
Also, Iran founded Hezbollah
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sukuii 22 hr ago +13
Genuine question, how are they able to hold a significant spot in the coalition? Is it "run of the mill" corruption/fearmongering, or do they hold some genuine footing amongst a part of the population?
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Chemical_Scholar_753 22 hr ago +39
Genuine footing. They have a base of power among Shia. Lebanon isn’t so far away from resuming the civil war and having the Muslims and Christians go back to massacring one another.
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EmperorChaos 22 hr ago +45
Corruption, fear-mongering, threats (they have routinely assassinated and threatened anyone who opposed them). The minority that do support them are brainwashed beyond belief (they are calling this a divine victory); for example anything short of killing every single Hezbollah member will be treated by them as a victory. This is why those groups have to be throughly exterminated.
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Colbert2020 23 hr ago +52
Southern Lebanon is the "front line" of the border between Israel. Hezzbolah is all over Lebanon though. Not sure if you were curious, but you know how the cartels in Mexico have alot of control over the country? It's like that, but way worse. If we avoid using terms like "terrorist", Hezbollah can be described as a non-state Militia organization. Of its kind, they are the most well funded and armed. They are infamous for how large their rocket inventory was a few years ago and they have held their own against the IDF. Depending on which side you ask, they'll claim victory for it. Their interests are not exactly adversarial to Lebanon, its people and its government, but they aren't exactly in alignment either. Most of the people of Lebanon are not happy with Hezbollah and would prefer them to be disarmed. But this is a 60/40 issue, and the sides are very polarized; they either love them or hate them. And regardless of how you feel about an armed militia bossing you around, at least they're not destroying your homes and displacing you forcefully like Israel is. It should be pointed out that Lebbanon doesn't recognize Israel as a state, and most of its people dislike Israel.
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Chadiwack 23 hr ago +10
Oooo thats a great parallel to draw between the Cartel and Hezbollah. Thank you.
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Colbert2020 22 hr ago +25
There are many differences of course. Hezbollah receives funding and arms from Iran while the cartels mostly remain independent. Calling Hezbollah a "militia" is also bringing up the wrong image. They are structurally an army. But they also make money through crime, menacing the people and undermine their governments because they're much stronger than the nations they inhabit.
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FlyingDiscsandJams 22 hr ago +7
Apparently their organization in South America earns about 1/3 of their funding, mostly selling stolen goods.
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Chadiwack 22 hr ago +2
Ya that makes sense for sure.
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omniuni 21 hr ago +26
From a very simplistic perspective, yes. And I don't say that in a negative way. Rather, it's the easiest way to get a fairly decent idea of the situation. It's why you see headlines about Israel bombing Lebanon and also headlines about diplomacy with the Lebanese government. Iran and Russia have been using groups like Hezbollah to wreak havock across the region for decades now. This is also why despite Gaza, Lebanon, Iran and so-on, the relationship between Israel and the various actual countries, like Saudi Arabia and the UAE, is probably better than it ever has been. Right now, Israel is doing a lot of the dirty work that no one wanted to, and can't publicly support. So yes, the simplest way to think of it is that Hezbollah has forced their way into Lebanon and the Lebanese government. What part of the Lebanese government remains doesn't actually like them, but also can't defend against them. Israel is targeting areas that Hezbollah has taken over and are using for military purposes. It's hard on the people, but the government knows is Hezbollah who is driving the destruction because of when, how, and where they choose to attack from. Ultimately, Israel is much more reasonable to deal with than Hezbollah. Israel's position is basically "stop bombing our civilians, we stop bombing the civilian infrastructure being used for bombing us". Hezbollah's position is basically "hide behind human shields and civilian infrastructure and make the world sympathetic to us so we can force Israel out of existence". Only one of those two things will ever happen, and it's the one where Israel continues to exist. Luckily, the Lebanese government is starting to realize that it is not so bad of an option.
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Chadiwack 21 hr ago +6
Thank you for your in depth response. After reading and watching multiple things I have come to the same conclusion. Unfortunately the innocent will suffer, but it seems that Lebanon would be better off if Hezbollah was eliminated.
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omniuni 18 hr ago +3
I very much wish there were a way to reduce the suffering. The best we can do is learn from it, and as a world, that action early against terrorist organizations before they have an opportunity to take over nations.
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Altruistic-Fishing39 12 hr ago +2
Lebanon, aside from Hezbollah, has never really initiated any conflict with Israel. Even in 1948 they were only shamed into making a token effort invading the north of Israel by the Syrians and Iraqis. They tried to sign a ceasefire agreement as quickly as possible, and the teams were drinking arak together pretty much straight away.
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Philo_Publius1776 1 day ago +417
I think the lines of control are messier than that. Hezbollah is in essence an Iranian invasion of Lebanon. They are an insurgent force with pockets of control. Yes, Israel is attacking those Iranian proxy pockets. However, Israel is not being terribly discriminate and the insurgent / mixed target environment has turned the entire situation into a humanitarian nightmare. The circumstances are muddier and harder to parse because Iran, Hezbollah, and Israel are all pumping loads of self-serving propaganda into the information space.
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FeeHot5876 1 day ago +196
They are way more organized and self sufficient than your standard insurgent force too, I remember articles a while back about them running front car dealerships in the US for money laundering and things like that. They were involved in the Middle East drug trade as well. They are a political party, insurgent terrorist group, and global criminal enterprise all in one
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TigerUSA20 23 hr ago +52
Being that organized, you think they would want a good supply of more pagers and phones?
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sadrice 21 hr ago +16
They are sufficiently “well organized” that they have penny pinching middle managers that cut funding to the information security department.
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ThaneKyrell 23 hr ago +34
They are heavily involved with South American drug cartels too. Hezbollah has been known to launch terror attacks in South America which killed hundreds as well
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Bleatmop 15 hr ago +2
They are the de facto government of southern Lebanon and with this threat they are basically saying they have control over all of Lebanon. If the leader of the government can only act with the consent of Hezbollah then Hezbollah actually runs the government.
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anonking1181 23 hr ago +36
This is a solid take. Important to note that hezbollah is also an actual part of the Lebanese government as a political party. The non- hezbollah factions of the Lebanese government are in general pretty weak and barely functioning. Extremely complicated situation.
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asdhjasdhlkjashdhgf 22 hr ago +3
granted seats in parliament are not a real problem, it solely allows to have a fixed address. That structure is also a welfare system, there is procurement, and payment, aka is an subsidized organization (by whom and how can be discussed). That means the infestation is likely bound to deep corruption, not just ideological or militant.
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StudsTurkleton 23 hr ago +60
Between the pager operation and knowing exactly where Iranian leaders were, I wouldn’t be so quick to assume Israel is not being discriminant enough. It’s obviously to their advantage to paint every strike as civilian. You know who caused a humanitarian nightmare? Hezbollah by dragging Lebanon into the fighting by launching rockets.
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valeyard89 22 hr ago +42
according to Listnook, you would think Gaza and Lebanon were full of rainbows and smiling children before.
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pablonieve 18 hr ago +3
You can oppose Hamas and Hezbollah while also opposing the actions of the Israeli military. These conflicts will never end through "more bombing".
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Antiparian 1 day ago +82
Nuanced and non-partisan analysis? This is Listnook, sir.
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ViSsrsbusiness 21 hr ago +31
There's not even much nuance required to understand this issue; just a lack of being propagandised by Iran. Iranian terrorist proxies engage in perfidy. That's the entirety of it. They manufacture the humanitarian nightmare precisely to synergise with anti-Israeli propaganda. Israel is very far from having clean hands, but the crimes they're being accused of constantly in public discourse are usually completely different to the crimes they've actually committed.
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Tiaan 23 hr ago +57
How do you know Israel hasn't been discriminate in their attacks? The numbers currently are that 2000 total casualties have been reported in Lebanon and Israel claims to have slain at least 1400 Hezbollah combatants, so 1400/2000 seems quite precise despite what mainstream media has reported on this conflict
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Vova_Poutine 22 hr ago +35
He's served 2 tours on Wikipedia and 3 tours in Call of Duty, an expert in the field of modern tiktok warfare!
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jews4beer 1 day ago +15
Holy shit. Nuance in my feed.
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Chadiwack 1 day ago +13
Ah ok, I just remember that Israel was striking targets in southern Lebanon only. Have they expanded to hit targets deeper into Lebanon now? Is that why Trump told Israel to stop as well?
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Philo_Publius1776 1 day ago +73
This will give you a detailed overview of what's happening based on OSINT: https://lebanon.liveuamap.com/ My understanding of Israel's strategic objective is as follows: to conquer and occupy Southern Lebanon up to the Litani River. This creates a natural defensive border that acts as a force multiplier to IDF defensive forces that would presumably be stationed there. The reason for that specific strategic goal is to push Hezbollah forces out of rocket range, preventing them from launching rockets against Israel's cities.
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Shot-Toe-2884 1 day ago +62
It’s mainly for leverage over negotiations, with the worst case scenario being Israel creates a demilitarized zone on their border if Lebanon can’t oust Hezbollah on their own. But the key here is that Israel has little intention to annex land and more importantly, zero ability to do so. It’s Lebanese territory. That’s not in dispute. But Hezbollah lobbing rockets and shattering ceasefires is a status quo that cannot continue, and Hezbollah will not be removed with nice words, but with boots on the ground, physically removing them. We have decades of proof that nothing else will fix this. We’ve tried them all, and their power only grew.
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Jag- 23 hr ago +35
Also Israel battle doctrine is to always fight battles outside of Israel. They will work very hard to ensure this.
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NotSoBadBrad 18 hr ago +5
I too would rather blow up my neighbors shit than have to blow up my own territory.
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Smile-Nod 1 day ago +33
I don’t think they can put them out of rocket range. I think the bigger thing is to stop an October 7th style ground invasion again. Iron dome can stop rockets but not ground forces.
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Philo_Publius1776 1 day ago +13
You could be right. Or it might be a mix of the two. Iron Dome works better if it has longer to track. I'm not claiming expertise — merely trying to give what information I have.
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Chadiwack 1 day ago +2
I appreciate it, thanks for taking the time to share the information you have.
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Chadiwack 1 day ago +17
So basically they want to make a DMZ in southern Lebanon then?
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fury420 23 hr ago +71
Southern Lebanon was effectively supposed to have been a DMZ for the last 20 years under UNIFIL observation, Hezbollah isn't supposed to have any armed presence there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1701 The 2024 ceasefire also says much the same: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Israel%E2%80%93Lebanon_ceasefire_agreement Likewise with the one from two days ago
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Chadiwack 23 hr ago +33
Thank you. From what I've been able to find, Hezbollah had positions/tunnels in and around UN posts. So basically the UN wasn't doing there job? There are several sources that I have seen supporting this, but they are mostly pro-Israel outlets.
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fury420 23 hr ago +43
Effectively, the UN gave UNIFIL a very constrained mandate to observe and be available to assist the Lebanese Army's efforts to deal with Hezbollah, but not to actually take a lead role in dealing with them. UNIFIL's authorization to use force effectively doesn't allow them to deal with nearby Hezbollah unless it's in self defense or the Lebanese Army takes the lead role. But Lebanon's Army has historically been far weaker than Hezbollah's militants, and Lebanon's government has been largely paralyzed and held hostage by the political side of Hezbollah and their allies in parliament, and if Lebanon pushed too hard against Hezbollah the government may have collapsed, potentially into civil war again.
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Chadiwack 23 hr ago +2
Ah ok, that makes a lot of sense then. Thank you.
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Smile-Nod 1 day ago +30
Yep, any ground force invasion they can intercept ahead of time. Lebanon’s military is too weak to recapture the southern border.
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jay6432 1 day ago +37
The Lebanese Armed Forces aren’t fighting Israel. They don’t need to try to recapture the southern border. Lebanon just needs to focus on dismantling Hezbollah and the country wouldn’t have issues with Israel; and life in general would improve there.
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Smile-Nod 1 day ago +32
Hezbollah owns the southern border. Lebanon does need to recapture their own southern border from Hezbollah they lost when Israel withdrew in 2000. This has already happened before.
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jay6432 23 hr ago +12
I think you’ve misunderstood what I said. Israel controls a large strip of the southern border area already. At present they exert more control over southern Lebanon than Hezbollah or the Lebanese Armed Forces. So right now Hezbollah doesn’t “own,” southern Lebanon. The Lebanese Armed Forces needs to focus on dismantling Hezbollah throughout Lebanon, not just in the south. And Israel has already been dealing with the south.
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Chadiwack 1 day ago +4
Thank you.
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Discorhy 23 hr ago +2
Not related but defintiely a cool map, thanks for sharing.
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JD0x0 22 hr ago +16
>Hezbollah is in essence an Iranian invasion of Lebanon. Weird that so many people only seem to be upset about Israel's "*invasion*" of Lebanon. Hmm... Quite interesting...
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ahazred8vt 1 day ago +16
Definitely an ally/proxy of Iran. But they are native ethnic arab shiites as opposed to ethnic persian shiites. They have lived in the south near Tyre since ancient times but their current population center is in northern Lebanon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabal_Amil
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Philo_Publius1776 1 day ago +10
I was merely commenting on their national and military allegiance. I didn't mean to imply anything about their race. Apologies if that was what it sounded like.
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ahazred8vt 23 hr ago +2
No problem, it's just that the average person gets little information about their background.
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Khamvom 23 hr ago +21
Hezbollah has many of their military assets in southern Lebanon (artillery, rockets, drones, etc) since it’s where most of the launch sites are located. However, they also can control territory in other parts of Lebanon. Entire neighborhoods in the capitol, Beirut, for example are Hezbollah strongholds. Hezbollah has strong support amongst the Shia population (30% of Lebanon’s population), so they have significant sway in the public and politics.
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letsgotgoing 20 hr ago +14
Lebanon was called the Paris of the Middle East. It was a majority Christian country. Then, it took in Muslim refugees from the area that became the modern state of Israel starting in 1948. After a civil war that pushed the Christian community into a minority government, sent many of the Christian population into other countries as Lebanese diaspora, the only party allowed to run a militia was Hezbollah. They are backed by Iran and are a well recognized by most international organizations as a terrorist organization. The leadership of Hezbollah published a manifest that explains their world views like anti-Jew, anti-Christian, anti-Zionism, anti-Americanism, and the establishment of an Islamic state governed by Sharia. Basically, ISIS but Shiite instead of Sunni.  The Lebanese government is not able to restrain the militant part of the Hezbollah party. The Hezbollah party is part of the government in Lebanon.  This dispute can be framed in North American terms in a sense that it would be like if in the USA the GOP started a militia that answers to no branch of the government but to the GOP. Then that militia shot rockets and otherwise bombed Canada to try and get Canadians to give up sovereignty and submit to American sovereignty to become part of the USA. 
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CooCooClocksClan 15 hr ago +4
If you can recall the absolutely massive explosion that happened in the port of Beirut Lebanon : [Explosion in the port of Beirut](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Beirut_explosion) Most studies indicate this was due to the corruption and administrative failures of Hezbollah. They are a major part of the elected government of Lebanon and grew to a point where they simultaneously have a bloc with effective veto power over all government activity and a larger private army than the technical Lebanese army. The explosion and subsequent display of corruption in attempts to shield themselves from blame has been considered by some as an action that started to turn electorate opinion against them within their districts. It provided a visible basis to a counter perspective that they could only be relevant politically if people felt the need for their protective and resistance against Israel. When comes to peace and managing a country though, they readily demonstrate their negligence and ineptitude. On paper, you see Israel attacking hezbollah in the south and pursuing a renewed buffer zone. It’s my opinion that the non-Hezbollah parties in the Lebanese government are actively colluding in this to weaken Hezbollah’s army as well as weaken them politically such that then non Hezbollah parties can retake majority control of the government.
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EnhancedWithAi 14 hr ago +4
Now you get it. People forget, if hamas and hezbolah didnt exist. Israel would not be bombing shit as we speak. They just wouldn't.
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Seanspeed 20 hr ago +3
>Ok so pardon my ignorance here, but does Hezbollah just control southern Lebanon south of that main river? Yes. They are not only represented in Lebanese government, but the rest of the Lebanese government has essentially zero control in southern Lebanon. That's essentially a full Hezbollah state within a state.
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Naijan 20 hr ago +5
People lack the understanding of how networks work; in favour of Iran. IRGC controls iran,lebabon, yemen. It is a sort of empire the westerners refuse to see.
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Thin-Entertainer3789 19 hr ago +2
Hezbollah controls Lebanon. Lebanon effectively has no military ( power of violence in Lebanon). The only power they have is constitutional but even that is limited by religious division built into their constitution and extreme corruption. — if Lebanon had military control over their country. I bet the Israel never would have invaded like they did. And France would be providing Lebanon with support, because it wouldn’t look like supporting a terrorist organization.
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slpgh 17 hr ago +2
Hezbollah controls the whole thing. It has a section.M of Beirut itself that is its own turf (that’s why you hear about the IDF attacking there regularly)
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fienzer46 1 day ago +315
that is not accurate, they threatened to kill him by saying he will meet the same fate as anwar sadat.
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Philo_Publius1776 1 day ago +900
The Lebanese deserve to be free of Hezbollah. Godspeed to them.
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JD0x0 1 day ago +659
And the Palestinians deserve to be free of Hamas. And Iranians deserve to be free of the IRGC. Godspeed to them all.
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danorc 21 hr ago +209
And Israel deserves to be free of Netanyahu. And America deserves to be free of Trump.
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Alatarlhun 19 hr ago +124
Common theme: Right wing authoritarians with a religious complex.
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Quartnsession 17 hr ago +28
Religion is just the excuse
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NoobNoob_ 18 hr ago +5
I mean, the only religious complex about Bibi is that he needs the haredim to form a coalition.
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ComfortQuiet7081 21 hr ago +37
All these autocrats will only leave, if someone is ready to fight a bloody ground invasion in wich civilians woud die in the thousands
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torinato 20 hr ago +7
Are you an actual federal agent?
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sully545 20 hr ago +7
Yes exactly that's why we now look to Iraq and Afghanistan as shining beacons of democracy!
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pupusa_monkey 22 hr ago +34
Israel deserves to be free of Benjamin Netanyahu. All those players lose a lot of support if their main antagonist is also removed. He has been the single worst enabler in a feedback loop of hate.
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Fthku 19 hr ago +39
As an Israeli leftist I'm definitely agreeing with your first part, but it's beyond naive to think Hezbollah, Hamas and Iran will lose support if he's gone. The main antagonist for those are the Jews. Not specifically Israelis, not Israeli right wingers, or the settlers, or whatever. They want to see Israel destroyed and the Jews dead.
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Dalnore 19 hr ago +4
Unlike all the other mentioned places, Israel is a democracy with free elections. Israelis can easily get rid of Netanyahu the moment they get completely tired of him. Which might happen this autumn.
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abenevolentmouse 1 day ago -40
100% agree. And America deserves to be free of Israel. Godspeed
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longlostkingdoms 23 hr ago +66
And we all deserve to be free from Trump. Godspeed to us all
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LoneElement 23 hr ago +39
We ARE free from Israel This idea that Israel controls the U.S. is blatantly false. Any group narrative that says so is different from objective reality  Whether that’s the misinformation about how much money we give them, how people ignore how Israel fights our own enemies for us, to the weapons and money that Israel gives TO US, etc.  It’s just another way of saying “Da Joos control the world” 
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snootsintheair 23 hr ago +5
I kinda disagree. Opinions
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Reuef 23 hr ago
Disagree on that.
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xmuskorx 23 hr ago +48
Nothing is stopping from coordinating with Israel to destroy Hezbollah. They just don't want to. They don't even recognize Israel.
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dschwarz 22 hr ago +46
If they do that, it’s another civil war for them. Maybe what’s going to happen.
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xmuskorx 22 hr ago +11
Nuh Hezbo is weak now, they just lack the will to finish it off.
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Diurnalnugget 22 hr ago +22
It’s not just hezbollah. Hezbollah has a very large amount of support from Shia Muslims in the country which is about 30% of the population. Dealing with an insurgency force if Hezbollah decides to fight like that is tough enough already but when it’s supported by so much of the population and has a bigger budget than you it will be a massive problem. It’s even tougher when a large amount of lebanons army is made up of these Shia Muslims and may very well fracture if ordered to fight hezbollah.
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xmuskorx 22 hr ago +10
At some point you have to make a stand. if you just let an external terror group run part of your country - you have NO FUTURE.
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ZePepsico 19 hr ago +6
Lebanon would want to I suppose. They mainly wanted to be a Switzerland of the middle east. They only participated symbolically in the first Israeli Arab war, and they only did a symbolic invasion before retreating deep into Lebanon, them agreeing an armistice they 100% respected. Until PLO the. Hezbollah attacked. When the Lebanese army tried to disarm PLO (like all other Arab countries did), it was forced by the Arab community to allow supra national powers to PLO.
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DaySecure7642 23 hr ago +156
These Iranian proxies are just getting in the way of peace. Like it or not Israel is in the middle east for almost 80 years. Most Gulf countries already joined the Abraham Accord normalizing their relationships with Israel. Can't have these religious wars forever.
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SirArthurHarris 18 hr ago +29
This is the most important argument in this entire conflict: Regardless of your opinion of Israel, it's there now and it will stay. Learn to live with Jews having a sovereign state. Coexistence, even co-operation is possible, when the neighbouring countries accept this apparent fact.
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The_mingthing 18 hr ago +45
If Palestinians had accepted the proposed peace and borders after the first war between Israel and Palestine, they would have had 2 independent nations which could have worked out something long term. But no, they chose to sell their own land to an Arabian league in return for eradicating Israel. When the coalition led by Abdul of Jordan attacked, it was not to liberate Palestinian lands, it was to split the land between them. As stated by him in an interview.
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Smile-Nod 1 day ago +450
Oh wow a terrorist group that’s destabilized an entire country for decades backed by Iran threatening an Arab government. How can we blame Israel.
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mkondr 1 day ago +216
Don’t worry people on Listnook will find the way. If there is anything that is certain, it is that.
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TorchbeareroftheStar 21 hr ago +8
Kinda hard to do when Hezbollah parties own militants are better equipped than the countries own military.
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LaoTzeMachiavelli 1 day ago +28
Because… ignorant haters will hate…
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CrusaderAlive 23 hr ago +5
Ignorant is the key word here.
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TheCounciI 21 hr ago +58
Terrorists will be terrorists
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Niceguy955 22 hr ago +29
Ask the families of previous Lebanese presidents what Hezbollah means when they threaten a president would "lose his status"...
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No-Space937 23 hr ago +70
Do it, f*** them, it is time for the West to start giving Lebanon solid security guarantees, and UNIFIL to start enforcing 1701.
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Drbendova666 23 hr ago +76
UNIFIL are unless just like the UN. They have always been nothing but human shields for Hezbollah.
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No-Space937 22 hr ago +13
This is true, and without a new resolution from the security council which would never pass im not sure if they could even legally be leveraged to act against Hezbollah, even if supporting the LAF. That said, Hezbollah and Iran have never been weaker, and a concerted effort aimed at bolstering the LAF, coupled with economic relief and low interest development loans could pull the rug on the group, who still see support, predominately from Shia Lebanese who benefited most from the Iranian funding that had previously been provided in the form of various investments and social services.
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Head-Peak1306 20 hr ago +20
Hezbolllah has to go.
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Desi0190 21 hr ago +27
So Hezbollah is nothing but a bully preventing peace. That alone gives Israel the right to keep firing on them
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Just_Far_Enough 22 hr ago +31
They are a terrorist organization so it kind of makes sense that they would try to use terror to achieve their aims.
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T0-rex 20 hr ago +11
Is this Listnook i am reading this on?
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Seagoon_Memoirs 15 hr ago +6
That's not respectful of democracy and the Lebanese people.
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UsusMeditando 22 hr ago +24
Hezbollah needs to go away. Far away.
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FordMaverickFan 19 hr ago +24
Listnook doesn't care but Lebanon shares intelligence with Israel to try and stop Hezbollah. There's a full blown extremist army occupying Lebanon chanting death or Israel and threatening to kill their democratically elected president. UN continues to do f*** all nothing while Lebanon slowly dies and slides back to civil war
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antivnom 22 hr ago +25
Free Lebanon (from Hezbollah)
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d1andonly 22 hr ago +15
If you have someone threatening the President of the country, maybe you actually have a problem that needs to be addressed. If your neighbor is addressing it, perhaps it’s in your best interest to work alongside them.
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Common_Source_9 12 hr ago +4
Huge mistake not taking the Jordan option when they still had the chance, and allowing the palestinian "refugees" to organize and basically take control of the country outside a few regions.
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DiscipleOfYeshua 11 hr ago +4
Lose his standing of… being terrorized by Hezbollah?
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Gareth_SouthGOAT 11 hr ago +3
Hello pro-Iran bots, this is what a terrorist organisation looks like! Have a wonderful day! :)
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xmuskorx 23 hr ago +24
And then we pretend like Lebanon has any kind of sovereignty that Israel should take seriously....
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Mac62961 11 hr ago +3
Seems to me since Iran says Hezbollah is “ part” of Iran ( as stated by Iran) and Hezbollah is taking parts of Lebanon, then Iran is just another Colonial power with Hezbollah territory as their colony. IRGC is just fascist trash. Im not for this war. I would have preferred the 2 shit starters in the region, Israel and Iran, gone head to head. But i will not miss any of the Iranian regime or their proxies. The big loser here is Lebanon which is essentially becoming a failed state.
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Dark_World_Blues 23 hr ago +36
So, Israel's claim that Hezbo was planning on overthrowing the Lebanese government was true. I thought it was another Israeli lie.
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FrogsJumpFromPussy 19 hr ago +5
Is there any way to get rid of the Hezbollah terrorists without starting a civil war and a bloodbath? 😔
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The_mingthing 18 hr ago +8
No. Hizbolla are fundamentalistic extremist. They belive their deaths, or any deaths to civillians due to their actions, is in service to a magical entity who's goals is the only thing that matters. Inhuman suffering to thousands upon thousands mean NOTHING to these types of people. Also, strangely enough, the goals of this magical entity is only clearly understood by a microscopic number of people, who then disseminate its truth to the rest of the people. If you need something closer to home, look at the current administration of the US, and all Evangelical "christian" cults that is in that nation, who does simply not care that they murdered over hundred girls under 8 with a missile strike on an elementary school. Or you can look at Nethanjahu's Israel. Iran's religious armies. Huities. The Crusades. The Jihads. Talking is all good between logical people. But when someone brings in fundamentalism or their personal "undying" Ego (Putin/Trump/Kim/Nethanyahu) into everything... Then logic dissapears, and logical people has the choice to stoop to bloodshed, or die for nothing because the fundamentalist wont care they killed them all.
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DevKevStev 14 hr ago +3
None. As said time and time and again, “Who lives by the sword, dies by the sword.” If they don’t want peace, war will come to them
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comox 20 hr ago +2
Looks like someone is stuck between a rock and a hard place.
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