Hundreds trying to storm Wisconsin beagle research facility met with rubber bullets, pepper spray

RIP John Dunsworth 💕

Tbf shit pools are a real thing on dairy farms and they do get drained

The way the shit clings to the air, Randy.

We're sailing into a shit typhoon randy so we better haul in the jib before it gets covered with shit

I always appreciate a TPB reference whenever shit is involved

Best bring up the corgi-pults.

I'm missing this randy reference

We have an adversarial justice system that gives the accused leverage in the form of wasting the governments time. If every case went through a full jury trial we would run out of time and resources to prosecute them all. Ending cases where the accused is obviously guilty with a plea bargain that still punishes them is pragmatic. The downside of this system is vulnerability to corruption where well connected criminals are given sweetheart deals and poor but innocent people are incentivized to take plea bargains for crimes they didn’t commit.

No he isn't. He already raided the facility and saved a huge portion of the dogs. He telegraphed the second raid to raise public awareness and gain support for right to rescue laws. The dogs in this facility are in relatively little danger given that the facility is giving up their breeding license.

My claymores are very visible, I don’t see what the problem is

See above re: beagles

Manure is pretty easy to come by

It turns out the facility has 2,000 beagles. So, I guess they just saved up from a month or so.

You mean you don’t?

To be fair, you would probably get gunned down with real bullets if you tried to storm an ICE facility. It's not like nobody cares. The consequences just aren't remotely equivalent.

I doubt the beagle facility had dozens of men with tactical gear and weapons and complete impunity to any crimes they commit to meet the protesters.

Making a plan to storm a concentration camp is... Handled differently. Law-enforcement wise.

Feel free to storm an ICE facility and let us know how that goes.

One will get you decades in prison, one will get you a new dog.

Well we get killed for that.

Yes. Beagles are very popular in research because they are small but sturdy little dogs who generally love people and get along well with other dogs. They are by far the most used dog breed in animal testing.

Yes, research is standardized where possible. There's typically very strict protocols to research-grade animals. Similar to how most studies on humans are done on right handed males. You want to minimize variables for the scientific method to work.

This is how we build community. We go full roman with it.

It *was* investigated and is scheduled to be shut down July 1st.

A shit moat is a barrier not a booby trap. That’s like saying barbed wire fence is illegal

Obstacles are not traps. If you jump in a poop moat and come out covered in c***, you didn't get caught by a trap, you dove into shit.

Barriers /= traps

Is it a trap when it's not deceptive? If I see a big ditch, I do this really cool thing where I don't jump into it. It's not like they're setting obscured bear traps out for people.

Not that I'm defending the practice, but a shit moat is pretty obvious. It can be avoided. It's not like anybody *told* them to wade into the shit moat

It's not setting a trap though. It's just a defended baricade.

It’s a trap only if it is intentionally hidden or obscured so that a person triggers it unknowingly. An openly declared barrier like a moat is not a trap.

Pretty sure gathering an army and storming private property is illegal.

If you actually read about what happened here it's not just a simple matter of necessary cost for drug development. This specific lab seems very guilty of excessive animal cruelty

No one denies that. The issue here is the standards upheld at that particular facility…

This facility was investigated for, specifically, torturing those dogs. Animal testing as a whole is a disgusting practice, but to betray the trust of dogs is beyond evil.

We can rebuilded them, we have the technology.

Didn’t you read the article? They’re breeding Beatles!

Not with that attitude!

Their moat is also much nicer.

Yeah there's more to it for sure and I am no expert. I run clinical trials in humans, and I have only been tangentially involved in animal studies at all. I have been somewhat involved in two studies in dogs, and one was to actually benefit dogs.

It's maybe not so much that, but the fact that the research facility wasn't defended by tanks and machine guns and shit. Well, except for that last one. It was apparently defended with shit.

We exactly said people were more angry? Storming one of these gets rubber bullets and fines at most. Storming the other gets you shot dead or prison at best.

Because of the charges the facility had previously faced and them agreeing to give up their breeding license in order to avoid animal charges. While facilities you've been at may not, this facility clearly mistreats the animals in their possession

If you read the article to the end you’ll find this > Ridglan has denied mistreating animals but agreed in October to give up its state breeding license as of July 1 as part of a deal to avoid prosecution on animal mistreatment charges. Which doesn’t seem like a thing an innocent researcher would agree to do since they could prove their dogs were fine. Yet, they did agree to shut down to avoid the charges. So they probably couldn’t disprove the charges by showing healthy dogs. I’m not a researcher, so I don’t have the professional insight that your experience provides. From my uninformed perspective, it seems like respected dogs probably would have records proving how fine they are and have been after each test that could be backed up by an independent veterinarian or something and dismissed. This seems like a thing someone in charge of hundreds of expensive animals giving important data would be able to do to keep their investment. Why would they choose to lose their whole operation and everything invested in it if they didn’t have anything to hide?

You need to stop doing this defense automatically, this place has gotten charged numerous times due to its sheer neglect and cruelty Just pulling this explanation out every time even for a facility as cruel as this isnt a great look

I mean...torture is sort of inherent in the work? We use non-human animals for this research because using humans would be considered cruel and inhumane. It can be important and even necessary work and still be cruel.