Cleaning house in the institutions are a must to get the frozen EU funds due to Orban's policies and cronies. It's not just the people, it's also the money. A nice twofer.
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johnnygrant6 days ago
+333
After 16 years, will require a deeep cleaning.
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MiserableTennis65466 days ago
+89
Time to party like it's 1989.
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evilnilla6 days ago
+36
2010, but with an open bend towards democratic establishment and anti-corruption.
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DaveVdE6 days ago
+11
can we call it “draining the swamp”?
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Rubthebuddhas5 days ago
+21
Flushing the toilet is probably more accurate. And it happens faster than swap draining, which seems to be the intent here.
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spacegrab5 days ago
+2
Slashing the plastic pool more like it.
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pppjurac6 days ago
+1
Process is called "lustration" .
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DistanceToEmpty5 days ago
+22
I'd bet it will take years to find and fire all the Russian moles in various ministries and intelligence agencies.
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Itsprobablysarcasm6 days ago
+295
Will there be criminal investigations into Orban and his regime?
It's been pretty obvious for a good while that Orban has been working for the benefit of Russia against the people of Hungary. Will he be held accountable for that?
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Bonyred6 days ago
+224
Magyar indicated that Szijjártó would be investigated at least, this is from 23rd of march...
"A report in the Washington Post last week said Hungary’s foreign minister, Péter Szijjártó, routinely updated his Russian counterpart with the details of confidential EU meetings. Magyar wrote on X on Monday: “If confirmed, this would amount to treason, which carries a potential life sentence. A future Tisza government will immediately investigate the matter.”
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Perfect_Sir48206 days ago
+50
The first indication will be how many of them flee to Russia.
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Consistent-Leek49866 days ago
+83
Like trump here in US. Orban’s ouster is a blow for all right wing groups across Europe, and most notably for Maga trump and Vance.
It’s a wonderful day for democracy in America!
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tresslessone5 days ago
+14
… is it? What are Congress doing specifically to make this a great day for democracy in America?
It’s a bummer for trump but he’s still running roughshod over your constitution.
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LaserKittenz5 days ago
+3
Investigation via catapult
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Raincitylover6 days ago
-70
Probably not. It is a political slippery slope to jail or prosecute your political opponent.
What will happen is that no one would want to evict their political power leading to absolute civil war.
So even if it is obvious, the next time someone gets voted out of power, they will treat it like a life prison sentence and go the killing/brutality route to maintain power. Or they will partner with Russia to seek sanctuary and be a Russian puppet like Orban to protect themselves.
So as much as this puppet should be in jail, it can set lead to a new status quo that if you leave power, you are jailed.
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tylezaar6 days ago
+84
How’d that work out for the US?
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recess_chemist6 days ago
+41
Exactly. The whole, we can't go after those who broke the law just allows them to keep breaking it but improve on the corruption.
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Raincitylover6 days ago
-33
The US is an exception to the rule…because you literally have a presidential law that makes them exempt from crime.
Not sure why such a power exists where a president can pardon any crime including himself. That was the turning point where everything kind of broke
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shadowboxer476 days ago
+20
>because you literally have a presidential law that makes them exempt from crime.
No law was passed. This was a decision made by Trump's own hand-picked Justices, who also ruled they didn't need to place ethical standards on themselves.
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RexLatro5 days ago
+5
Also adding as much as the United States always likes to think of itself as "exceptional", this is how *dictatorships work*. You put your people in places of power where they don't belong or lack official qualifications for, and they do it via bending/breaking/ignoring laws and rules put in place to stop this, and/or threaten others to not hold them accountable.
This is why most of the rest of the world (and especially countries that have *had* dictatorships in charge in recent memory) have been yelling at the US and Americans "Hey! You're becoming a dictatorships you know!"
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Buffbeard6 days ago
+14
In normal democracies politicians dont prosecute politicians. The prosecutor’s office decide which case to bring before the court. Which is why Bolsonaro is convicted but Trump isnt.
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ars-derivatia6 days ago
+20
Lol. It is a political slippery slope to jail or prosecute criminals.
Great idea, mate.
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trojan_man166 days ago
+9
This is how you let corruption fester.
The will just regroup and come back stronger.
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sllewgh6 days ago
+6
> So as much as this puppet should be in jail, it can set lead to a new status quo that if you leave power, you are jailed.
Sure, if and only if the only thing you do is jail the opposition and do nothing to enact other reforms.
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Turioturen5 days ago
+2
The only slippery slop is what you are writting.
A politician can commit any crime and according to your logic the politician can never go to jail because it is a slippery slope.
The only slippery slope is if one allows criminals to commit crimes.
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og_woodshop6 days ago
+4
Youre words are cowardice dressed in valor- they are projections of your internal drama. The loudest ones whispering; "yes, this is right, this is safe, this is good; besides, if enough people also express this (and you know that because its safe they probably will) you wont have to worry about being a part of some 'resistance' and then expose yourself to danger- this is good, this is right".
Very much and quite actually; that entire reasoning is the reasoning of your own weak, scared little ego.
Your view is not one of pragmatism. It is fully a pasted on view of cowardice acting as a personal shield. You are a coward. Reasoning away, punishing antisocial psychos for their consitantly provocative shitty unfeeling personal powergrabs, DO NOT make the world into a peaceful transition expressing the long arc of justice. It only allows you to feel safe for not having to risk anything and allows injustice to move from the here and now, to some unattainable future dream.
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MuTron15 days ago
+1
Alternatively, rather than seek retribution, the measured response (especially when given constitution amending powers) is to ensure that it’s no longer possible for someone to do the same as Orban did.
Jailing Orban and his cronies won’t stop someone else from doing the same, and keeping Orban out of jail in return for a more peaceful transfer of power that can be used to lock out democratic backsliding is a rational trade
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lorkanooo5 days ago
-6
Orban still has almost 40% support - as sad as it is, for criminal charges it would have to be low enough it doesn't destroy current government. You would have gigantic government toppling protests. They will probably charge some of his less popular coworkers though.
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idiocy_incarnate5 days ago
+3
You gotta remember, that was with 16 years of h******* gerrymandering and election interference including but not limited to outright bribery to get votes, and having people accompanying voters go into the booths to make sure people voted "the right way".
If this had been anything resembling a fair election he would have gotten far less of the vote.
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GreatGojira6 days ago
+575
I would have everything debugged to. No telling how much he let Putin come on and wiretap probably everything he could.
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Individual-Yard526 days ago
+126
Upvote so that new government sees this as a reminder. They probably did not think about it.
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Willem_Dafuq6 days ago
+316
Ah yes. The new Hungarian government would of course obtain its security strategies from Listnook comments.
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hkzor6 days ago
+34
I'm not sure you understood the sarcasm of the comment.
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juniorone5 days ago
+6
I understood. It was a sarcasm of the sarcasm.
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just-comic5 days ago
+2
Sarcasm does not work on listnook.
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juniorone6 days ago
+46
Ours gets its policies from Fox News. Given the bar with Trump is very low, it’s not impossible that there are more than 2 idiots in charge of a country in the world.
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GreatGojira6 days ago
+2
They can hire me. I'm c****, I can do it for 7.25 an hour and if they let me move there from America.
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techauditor6 days ago
+7
If they didn't think about this they are idiots lol
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Black-Shoe6 days ago
Updoot for visibility
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PrimozDelux6 days ago
+1
Underrated post
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Wonderful-Pause10486 days ago
+59
Up Up
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Lopsided-Rough-15626 days ago
+129
His last name being Magyar is the equivalent of me being named Joe Canadian
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noetkoett6 days ago
+53
Here in Finland we have plenty of people named Suomi/Suominen/Suomalainen (Finland and two variations of Finnish) and also Virolainen, Venäläinen, Ruotsalainen - Estonian, Russian, Swedish, as well as several family names referring to Finnish areas.
... also we know the famous wine Magyar from Hungary.
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Gollum_Quotes6 days ago
+7
I thought most Finnish family names were based off areas? My family's last name is Finnish, we have no clue what it means and think it just pertains to the village or forest where my ancestor originated from.
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FollowingFeisty53216 days ago
+10
You could solve this mystery with one google search...
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Gollum_Quotes5 days ago
+3
The most useful Google search results are listnook threads...
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Danibandit6 days ago
+4
I think I just found out my partner’s Listnook account…
nope… history isn’t matching
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FollowingFeisty53216 days ago
+5
Phew.
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AwesomeFama6 days ago
+1
There's a lot of different kinds of names, as is the case with most countries. Some are related to areas, like most of the most common surnames, but for the most common one the etymology is not at all clear.
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tresslessone5 days ago
+2
Same in the Netherlands - “(de / den) Hollander” is not common, but it’s out there.
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Howwouldiknow14925 days ago
+1
Bull's Blood
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wintrmt35 days ago
+1
Toth, Horvath, Nemeth, Magyar, Torok, Orosz are all common (in the top 50) family names in Hungary. (slovak, croat, german, hungarian, turkish, russian)
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risingsuncoc6 days ago
+14
Heck, make Johnny English the PM too
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godisanelectricolive6 days ago
+2
New Zealand had a PM named Bill English.
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iamapizza5 days ago
+2
NZ equivalent could be Noah Aotearoa
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tresslessone5 days ago
+1
Israel’s defence minister is called Israel Katz.
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PopeSaintHilarius6 days ago
+9
There was an Australian cabinet minister named Joe Hockey.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Hockey
If he were Canadian, he would have won his elections by default.
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TendyHunter6 days ago
+8
He should've localized his name to Jiminy Cricket.
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Malifous026 days ago
+8
Does have a better ring than Jiminy Australian Rules Football.
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99drunkpenguins6 days ago
+2
We also have Wab Kinew (pronounced canoe) as prmier of Manitoba.
Which is pretty solid Canadia right there
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Remarkable_Beach_5455 days ago
+1
It's actually Wab Kinew
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Lopsided-Rough-15625 days ago
+1
He seems like a cool guy
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Lopsided-Rough-15625 days ago
+1
Would've had to be Gordie Hockey to win elections outright
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roarti6 days ago
+7
Just that it's actually a reasonably common name while "Canadian" isn't.
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garygnu6 days ago
+4
Well, there's the surname "Canada" but I'm pretty sure that comes from the Spanish language word *cañada*, not the country.
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Vio_6 days ago
+3
There's a famous sewing youtuber named Stephanie Canada.
She's in Florida lol.
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trojan_man166 days ago
+3
Or the infamous assistant coach on the Pittsburgh NFL team.
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garygnu6 days ago
+2
That's how I've heard of it. 🎵 *Blame Canada!* 🏉
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BornInATrailer6 days ago
+3
[This exchange immediately made my brain recall this.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVOTgcRWKpM)
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godisanelectricolive5 days ago
+2
There’s the Japanese surname Kanada. There’s also a Brazilian-Canadian soccer player who plays for Canada called Canadá, but that’s just a nickname from when he played for the Palmeiras youth team in Brazil.
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Zaziel5 days ago
+1
Canuck.
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trisul-1086 days ago
+5
Hungary has a tradition of doing this ... they named Croats "Horvat" and Poles "Lengyel" etc. so many family names just denote where they come from.
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case-o-nuts6 days ago
+3
With the obvious campaign slogan: "Joe Canada, our home grown native man"
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JoeCanadian116 days ago
+3
What you want?
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srfrosky6 days ago
+4
Juan Tequila
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onarainyafternoon5 days ago
+1
In Hungarian, the last name goes first. So it would be more like Hungarian Peter.
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Kwetka5 days ago
+1
lmao yes, that's funny
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PepperMill_NA6 days ago
+52
Congratulations Hungary! Respect to you.
Rooting out the corruption is going to take some work and some time. It's built into all of the right wing regimes. Getting Orban's people out is a necessary first step.
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IMAWNIT6 days ago
+16
Let’s see if Americans can get it done too
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JPenniman6 days ago
+13
They are gonna have to do constitutional reform as soon as possible and crack the media landscape in the country that are under the control of orban loyalists. All the tools used to turn it into a dictatorship have to be undone.
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kahn_noble4 days ago
+1
I can’t wait to see their blueprint.
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Stunning-Chipmunk2436 days ago
+8
Hopefully Trump sees what his future holds as he watches everything Orban accomplished be undone and he and his puppets held accountable
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Capital-Control3086 days ago
+9
Can’t wait for the house cleaning to come to the USA
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rjp_0876 days ago
+8
Democrats pay close attention--we will need to clean house in the very same way.
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leeekslap6 days ago
+25
Arrest. Prosecute.
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pequt6 days ago
+6
Congrats Hungarian friends. Please remember that the lackeys will resist using every possible way, test your patience and it takes VERY LONG time. It'll be painful to just see them there and you'll want to condemn new government soon because of their inability, but please, please don't turn blind eye to old lackeys.
In my country these lackeys are still at large and vocal even after their then-president was ousted by attempting (and failed) self-coup. So... I can somewhat imagine what might happen.
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JohnBrownSurvivor6 days ago
+6
Don't ask them to leave. Arrest them.
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tormentnexus6 days ago
+6
Yeah the rot was allowed to build up for 16 years
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ShelbyLucky776 days ago
-12
You need some Zelensky puppets in there buddy?
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mockg6 days ago
+6
Curious how long until we see Orban heading to Russia.
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queen-adreena5 days ago
+4
Probably less than a month... followed shortly by the discovery of missing billions.
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Venat146 days ago
+9
I hope they just don't leave. They need to be criminally prosecuted. A big part of why so many countries are such a mess right now is because the far right is never prosecuted for their corruption and crimes.
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ionised6 days ago
+5
Get rid of them all.
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rettribution6 days ago
+4
When does he officially take over? Is it immediate or does it start in a few months?
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Sky_HUN5 days ago
+5
President has to call the national assembly in 30 days then the president will have another 30 days to ask the party leaders to form a government, so 58 days maximum.
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mixxituk5 days ago
+3
That's a lot of shredding
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Amaruk-Corvus5 days ago
+1
Peter Magyar said latest term is 5th of May but that he hopes with cooperation from the former ruling party, it could be done a bit sooner. That is if I understood correctly what he said.
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Sky_HUN4 days ago
+1
It is not up to him sadly. Sulyok has to call the Parliament in 30 days after the election, then has another 30 days.
May 4th is the day when the election results are actually become official.
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mixxituk5 days ago
+3
Now do Slovakia and Belarus
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Relevant-Ad22546 days ago
+3
Now THIS is winning
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anunnaki_marauder6 days ago
+2
His name is Magyar?! How perfect!
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HotFartore5 days ago
+2
Please use Magyar Bleach, highly recommended so far.
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Capital_Elderberry285 days ago
+2
Can’t wait for the new US president to do the same thing to Trump‘s puppets. 🤞
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Kwetka5 days ago
+2
Wait, so this is what ''Russians go away'' meant? Very glad if they're not russophobic against regular Russians if so.
has the US's reputation gotten so bad under trump that Hungary was so repulsed by JDs support that they ousted orbin?
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oh-delay6 days ago
+1
Can’t get enough of Hungary these days!! 💪
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Meneth326 days ago
+1
If they're clever they'll get out while the gettin' is good.
Big if.
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Cat5edope5 days ago
+1
Wasn’t Magyar the name of Hungarian nobles or something? I might be mixing that up with another ancient group of people
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cwthree5 days ago
+2
Magyar is the Hungarian word for "Hungarian."
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elderrage5 days ago
+1
Frank DeJoy is smirking in a Budapest office suite.
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sharplight1415 days ago
+1
Looks like a promising change
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Sarcastic_Sanchez5 days ago
+1
I’m wondering if Russia is going to invade Hungary next?
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Final_Environment8954 days ago
+1
Vege van fidesz-boomerek!!!
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Barbu-Genial6 days ago
+1
Ça me semble légitime.
On a peut-être un problème en France, même Victor Orban respecte le résultat des élections, ça en dit long...
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[deleted]6 days ago
-9
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TheBeerka6 days ago
+13
He promises to steer Hungary back towards democracy
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temporarycreature6 days ago
+16
Péter Magyar and his Tisza party is positioning itself as a new center-right government that is sharply pivoting away from the past decade by embracing a pro-EU, and pro-Ukraine platform, which includes unblocking aid for Kyiv and restoring ties with Brussels.
They are also focused on dismantling corruption and Russian influence while restoring judicial independence, effectively moving the country back toward a standard European democratic path.
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Kwetka5 days ago
+1
The party is named after Hungarian river btw.
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WillDigForFood6 days ago
+11
He was part of Orban's party until a year or so ago. The party he left to take leadership over is still right/center-right leaning, but he's promised to at least revert the Constitutional changes that Orban put into power to rig things for him for the last decade and a half, and to institute new Constitutional limits on heads-of-state to prevent a future Orban.
Whether or not he follows through now that he has power remains to be seen.
He's pro-EU, anti-Russian influence in Hungary, but he's still a nationalist and bills himself as pro-Hungarian traditionalism. Both he and his party have been dead silent on social issues/civil rights issues, or even most issues beyond wanting to strengthen the powers of Hungary's Constitution, reduce Russian influence in Hungary, and tie Hungary closer to the EU so it can receive aid/funds from the EU to bolster Hungary's economy again.
I have my fingers crossed, but I'm always skeptical when conservative/right-leaning politicians split from their party and begin using extremely populist rhetoric out of the blue. Still! He's not Orban, and we can hope, yeah?
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Varibash6 days ago
+3
Step in the right direction at the very least if he follows through on what he campaigned on.
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Individual_Length3216 days ago
+3
Agree to all.. I'd add, the ease with which orban conceded, and the lack of russian shenanigans so far makes me very cautious.
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MuTron15 days ago
+1
>but he's still a nationalist and bills himself as pro-Hungarian traditionalism. Both he and his party have been dead silent on social issues/civil rights issues, or even most issues beyond wanting to strengthen the powers of Hungary's Constitution, reduce Russian influence in Hungary, and tie Hungary closer to the EU so it can receive aid/funds from the EU to bolster Hungary's economy again.
If you’re trying to build a coalition of voters in order to overcome a decade and a half of electoral shenanigans, it’s best to appeal to as many people as possible.
And outside of Budapest, Hungary is a conservative. If he was a full-on European progressive, Orban would still be in power.
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Individual_Length3216 days ago
+1
I'm genuinely enthusiastic about him being elected as a better interlocutor to Europe, but whilst the tin says the first, his choice of words make me cautious.
Or maybe I'm just old.
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