Hungary’s main opposition party has said it would move to amend the constitution to limit prime ministers to two terms if it wins next week’s election—a move that would effectively bar incumbent Viktor Orbán from ever returning to office
I like Magyar more and more ... I hope he wins a constitutional majority.
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RobotSpaceBear6 days ago
+598
Wait, the Hungarian opposition's candidate's name is "Hungarian"?!
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Ralcive6 days ago
+434
Yeah, the guy’s name is literally ‘Hungarian Peter’ (in hungarian the name order is switched, so family name first, given name last).
Nationalities as a surname is pretty common in Hungary, so it is not really a weird thing to be named something like this.
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ILikeChilis6 days ago
+97
And the governing party keeps referring to him as Ukrainian Peter... (It used to be Brussels Peter)
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Klagaren5 days ago
+39
They call me ~~Cuban~~ Hungarian Pete, I'm the king of ~~the rumba beat~~ Orban's defeat
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Markus47815 days ago
+3
It's common in other languages too. Like the English voice actress Jennifer English.
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MrFilkor6 days ago
+199
Imagine (if you're from the US ) you elect a guy named: 'American Joe'.
That's *literally* happening in Hungary.
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_Ocean_Machine_6 days ago
+175
An American president called "President America" is some shit Hideo Kojima would come up with
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Peter59306 days ago
+46
He's the next boss after Senator Armstrong.
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aSneakyChicken76 days ago
+14
The next evolution from Captain America
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takeyouraxeandhack6 days ago
+7
After retiring from heroing, pursuing politics was the next logical move.
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n1gr3d06 days ago
+10
Metal Wolf Chaos writers are kicking themselves for missing this idea.
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Proud3GenAthst6 days ago
+75
In Europe, it’s not that unusual. At least here in Czechia, there are last names like Čech (Czech), Polák (Pole), Maďar (Hungarian), Slovák (Slovak) or Turkek (Turk)
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MaxThrustage6 days ago
+28
Even in English, "Scott" and "French" are fairly common last times.
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Anaptyso6 days ago
+23
Even "English" itself is a surname, although fairly rare.
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Lanky-Cheesecake-2594 days ago
+2
Johnny English
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ckc11516 days ago
+3
The heck, how could I never noticed that?
Tom Scott from YouTube
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tanaephis774006 days ago
+3
And in France we have a few "Langlais" ("The English") or "Lallemand" ("The German")...
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Silence_Of_Reason6 days ago
+10
Yes, in Finland there are last names like Suomalainen (Finnish), Ruotsalainen (Swedish), Virolainen (Estonian) and Venäläinen (Russian). But not German or Norwegian (according to the public name service).
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MrFilkor6 days ago
+35
Just another little fun fact: after the fall of Ceaușescu in Romania, a young man named **Petre Roman** became the prime minister.
Yeah 'Roman' literally means Romanian...
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Peripatetictyl6 days ago
+4
You know they say that all men are created equal, but you look at me, and you look at Samoa Joe, and you can see that statement is not true.
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MaxTHC6 days ago
+7
John Hungary 😎 🇭🇺
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trentjmatthews6 days ago
+3
The Aussie PM's name means 'Anthony the Albanian' in Italian which is gold too
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sol-46 days ago
+5
Israeli defmin is named Israel Katz lol
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Pixel_Muses6 days ago
+3977
Every single democracy on earth should have strict term limits. Treating the highest executive office in a country like a lifetime appointment never ends well for the citizens
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Omegabird4206 days ago
+1462
Not just term limits,age too.
Having people on their deathbed pushing values from 50 years ago or being used as puppet messing with people's future ain't the most fun thing to see.
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Much-Indication-30336 days ago
+336
It’s kind of funny, since Viktor Orbán’s government lowered the mandatory retirement age for judges, which forced a large number of mostly senior judges into early retirement. This created many vacancies that could then be filled with new appointees. Critics argued this allowed the government to reshape the judiciary in its favour. The EU later ruled the measure illegal age discrimination, and Hungary reversed it, but many of the removed judges didn’t get their positions back, so the overall impact remained
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binzoma6 days ago
+148
its almost like actions in a vacuum arent inherrently good or bad most of the time, its the intent and way they're executed that makes them good or bad!
its just too bad most of the world cant deal with that sort of nuance, russias been taking advantage of that naivety for 30 years
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[deleted]6 days ago
+7
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Sn1pex6 days ago
+38
I don't understand why judges needs to be politically appointed?
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SFHalfling6 days ago
+38
In the UK they are selected by an independent body mostly formed of judges & legal professionals.
I have no idea the political inclinations of any judges in the UK because it isn't relevant to the role.
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Zebidee6 days ago
+24
Same in Australia - I don't know the name of any judge at any level, and the idea of a judge having an open, stated political bias is insane to me.
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finglish_6 days ago
+12
America has basically become a reality show. Politicians shouldn't have die hard fan clubs who are ready to kill for them. Something has gone horribly wrong along the way.
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takeyouraxeandhack6 days ago
+3
They legalised bribery and called it "lobbying".
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SFHalfling5 days ago
+3
The idea of a judge having to take their relection campaign into account when making a judgment is the most insane thing to me.
People getting jailed because the judge wants to look tough on crime for the election in 2 months time instead of getting something more appropriate like community service or a fine.
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demonica1236 days ago
+7
>In the UK they are selected by an independent body mostly formed of judges & legal professionals.
The problem is that creates an insular system. The judges pick the judges who align with their views most who continue the trend.
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tigeratemybaby6 days ago
+14
It seems to work really well in Australia.
We end up with high court judges that are widely respected for being through and doing a good job within their profession.
In practice it works far better than political appointees, or the general population voting for judges, where you seem to end up with judges that are just good "politicians", or good at playing the political games.
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takeyouraxeandhack6 days ago
+7
It's called "isolation of powers". It works very well in many places of the world.
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randeylahey6 days ago
+8
Sheer madness. You find the most qualified legal minds. This shit shouldn't be hard.
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Neverending_Rain6 days ago
How do you find and determine that? What standards are used? Who are the people that make the final decision?
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BurningMad5 days ago
+3
Look up what civilised countries do.
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wizardbase6 days ago
+9
what if you are in a sane country that isn't run by just two political parties?
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sephtis6 days ago
+23
They should be of an age to be experienced with life, but young enough to want to make the place better to live in.
Electing mobile corpses like trump just gets you a greedy pensioner that doesn't give a f*** about anyone else.
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Fahlnor6 days ago
+23
If you’d elected Trump 30 years ago you’d have a greedy 50-year old man that doesn’t give a f*** about anyone else. You can’t tell me that JD Vance would be a better appointment than Bernie Sanders because he’s younger….
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sephtis6 days ago
+7
Oh no, here we have the other problem, don't elect greedy psychopaths.
I was merely pointing out, perhaps with a bad example, that a person who has a few years to live is probably not gonna care about the future all too much, let alone other peoples futures.
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Fahlnor6 days ago
+3
So what we actually need is an engaged and educated electorate. The people need to be better at choosing leaders.
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yopla4 days ago
+2
Some people are altruistic regardless of their ages, some people are not.
The core issue is that politic attracts egomaniacs and the power dynamics favors the ones with less ethics since the whole system is built on constant competition for popularity even within one party.
And I'll add that based on the popularity score of social media influencers (or just the fact that it is a thing) we can safely deduce that the vast majority of the population does not require even a modest amount of intelligence from their "thought" leaders, just a pretty face and an easily digestible "message".
Anyway, the whole system is cooked. 😂
I'm leaning toward random selection of people for a N year term instead of elections.
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Thunder-123456 days ago
+5
There’s still evil younger people yes, but there's also a lot of young progressives who could be doing a lot more for society if the seats weren’t being held hostage by useless gerontocrats.
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buyongmafanle6 days ago
+3
> They should be of an age to be experienced with life, but young enough to want to make the place better to live in.
45-60, then. Old enough to know better, but young enough to care. Make it an age bracket limit and you can do away with term limits.
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binzersguy6 days ago
+18
No one should be serving who won’t be here to reap the consequences
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DeeJayDelicious6 days ago
+8
Typically one sorts out the other.
It's really just the U.S. that has managed to elect senior citizens DESPITE their two-term limit.
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atreeismissing6 days ago
+3
That's for voters to decide. If they don't want someone old in office then organize and vote someone younger into office, it's not a complicated concept but does require people getting off their ass and *talking* to potential voters.
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tubeixo6 days ago
+5
I support this. Old ones should be on advising roles only, not leadership ones.
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PlayfulSurprise52376 days ago
+2
On that same note, public servants(because that's what democratically elected politicians are, they are our servants there to express the will of the people who have not the time nor the political acumen to navigate the complexities of politics) should get paid minimum wage.
They should be intimately connected with their fellow citizens in a way that strengthens the nation, and this is one way of doing that. It allows them to understand how viable the current minimum wage is, and it acts as a counterbalance to the financial corruption that inevitably finds it's way into politics.
We see what happens when this is not the case, they don't give a flying f*** usually, about people on minimum wage and how viable that is.
Also, it helps keep people out of politics who are there for the money. You want a politician to be someone who has a passionate burning desire to have an opportunity to make the most important changes that effect an entire nation of people and shape their future.
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[deleted]6 days ago
+5
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AliceFacts4Free6 days ago
+8
What a sweeping statement. please print it out and read it on each birthday.
You might want to notice that the Trumpers come in all ages, as do Democrats.
Some of us have children and grandchildren, but you are saying we can’t possibly know anything about the world we all live in. Some of us have been progressive for decades, but because of our age, you are certain that we are the problem, not the people who support and vote for Trump.
Get out there and march, vote, work for candidates and do whatever you can to elect better people. Sometimes you lose, but you always lose if you insult/exclude people because they are too old, too young, the wrong color, or belong to any other “wrong” demographic.
I hope to see more young people in the fight against fascism; we need everyone!
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AbeRego6 days ago
+4
I disagree. Bernie Sanders is 84, but he clearly cares about leaving a good world for future generations. We just need to elect people who actually care about us.
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Coal_Morgan6 days ago
+7
I think there's a solid chance Bernie would support it.
You'd get rid of a lot more Schumer's then Bernies and gain a lot more AOCs and other people with lives ahead of them that would be more forward thinking.
Either way, 8 years as President is a long time for someone who's in their 70s let alone 80s. I think a 65 age limit to run is good common sense.
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StrawberryItten6 days ago
-3
me when I unironically support ageism
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Magrowl6 days ago
+10
me when I think literal dying geriatrics with principles formed pre WWII should lead a modern society
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yellekc6 days ago
+14
I don't think they should be either, but assuming there are free and open elections, just don't vote for them. I do not really think limiting voter choice is ideal except in the narrowest of circumstances. Bernie Sanders was old and he would have been a good leader.
Age limits and term limits to me are going after the symptom not the cause, we need to focus on gerrymandering, campaign finance and associated incumbency advantages that lead to old people staying in office.
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buyongmafanle6 days ago
+2
> assuming there are free and open elections
Found the flaw. You think political establishments built upon donations of billions of dollars from ultra-wealthy people put the best candidates forward?
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narrill6 days ago
+2
Are you seriously using "well actually we don't have democracy" as a counterpoint to "just don't vote for geriatric candidates"?
Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
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Koala_eiO6 days ago
+5
Ageism is a silly word. Having an age upper limit is not more discriminatory than the lower limit we already have in all countries.
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ZuAusHierDa6 days ago
+42
European republics usually have a term limit for their presidents. But not for their prime ministers / chancellors / Taoiseach.
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ianjm6 days ago
+37
It's not generally a feature of Parliamentary systems because terms can be such variable length. Two terms could be 2 years if coalitions fall apart or what have you.
Plus a Prime Minister is not directly elected, they are simply the party leader until after the election when they win a majority or build a coalition that has a majority.
Perhaps one option would be to limit a Prime Minister to 5 or 8 years or whatnot, regardless of the number of elections. They can't be appointed again if they've gone over this limit.
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Ed-alicious6 days ago
+2
If you're curious, the plural of *Taoiseach* is *Taoisigh*.
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PeppyBunnyx6 days ago
+144
Once a politician has been in power for over a decade, they stop governing the country and just start managing their own survival
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Pokemon_Name_Rater6 days ago
+56
Many are doing that from pretty much day one. At least in countries with a polarised electorate and tendency to swing between left and right each election cycle.
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hoxxxxx6 days ago
+2
i can't remember if it's US congressmen or state or what but there are a ton of politicians that stay in office juuuust long enough to get either that lifelong pension or lifelong healthcare or both.
like they have basically gamified political office for personal gain at this point.
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Prestigious_Risk76106 days ago
+35
I get your point, but there are downsides to term limits. It means the race is on for succession as soon as the second term is won.
More important is protections in place that stop any incumbent from stacking the deck...because ultimately a term limit is only effective if people respect (e.g. Putin and Xi just removed it for themselves)
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henryptung6 days ago
+15
No dam lasts forever without periodically lowering the water to perform maintenance. Without term limits and a change of face at the top, you're asking a system of protections to last indefinitely under persistent, inexorable pressure, in a changing world.
No skilled engineer in the world would sign off on such a design.
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AliceFacts4Free6 days ago
+5
I’m not sure your analogy applies. Public policy is not the same as engineering.
Those of us who work to have safer/saner transportation deal with outdated transportation engineering practices. A good resource on this Wes Mason’s book:
**Killed by a Traffic Engineer**
Design for safety should be the goal instead of building more and bigger highways and then insisting that safety comes from signage, education and enforcement.
But people drive to the design, not to the signs.
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DaftPump6 days ago
+2
Not in all nations. Canada has had PMs last longer than 8 years multiple times. Canada also has mechanisms in place where what is happening in the USA can not happen in Canada.
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darkslide30006 days ago
+54
The US has term limits and is the perfect proof for how much damage can still be done in two terms. This isn't really the root of the problem.
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Brief_Hospital_17666 days ago
+16
The term limits should be for judges, along with age limits, especially for judges.
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Zamoniru6 days ago
+6
Judges should get a ten year term, no reelection possible
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farcical_ceremony6 days ago
+14
> no reelection possible
they shouldn't even have been *elected* in the first place lmao
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farcical_ceremony6 days ago
+7
term limits are very much *not* desirable for judges. the whole point is that they outlast political whims of the day and don't have to worry about setting themselves up for what to do after. age limits, yes.
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oldsecondhand6 days ago
+4
And that's how you get senile zombies clinging to their seat.
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grampybone6 days ago
+8
Give them a mandatory retirement age with pension. It would solve the zombie problem and eliminate (in theory) the trying to land a cushy job after retirement.
Maybe limit the job opportunities to academia or advisory roles.
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RandomPantsAppear6 days ago
+5
What you say is true, but there’s something to be said for treating debilitating symptoms.
Imagine if Trump could keep running, and was younger.
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farcical_ceremony6 days ago
+2
if people would keep voting for him, it wouldn't matter in the long run if he himself couldn't run
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Koala_eiO6 days ago
+3
Now imagine Trump being elected 4 terms.
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SuperSog6 days ago
+22
How would that even work for Prime Ministers, you dont vote for the person you vote for the Party and they can change who is in charge as often or little as they please.
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GreekSaladEnjoyer6 days ago
+10
No, if you have a normal functioning representative democracy, having a prime minister for multiple terms is totally fine. Not everyone lives in a corrupt disfunctional country
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iguessithappens6 days ago
+23
Why!? A lot of democracies don’t have term limits and don’t have issues.
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Positronic_Matrix5 days ago
+2
It’s ageism from an under-educated electorate. The system is broken, so they lash out at a demographic without the foresight to see, that when eliminated, it will provide no improvement whatsoever.
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Saneless6 days ago
+6
I wish they'd also limit fundraising and campaigning to 6 months before the election. Maybe even 3
These fuckers are getting paid to campaign for years and not doing any real work
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count0236 days ago
+7
failing that, compulsory voting with ranked choice like Australia, even our most succesful PMs (recently, John Howard with 4 consecutive terms) got the boot and will never be PM again as a result.
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evilparagon6 days ago
+6
Nah not just failing that, _do that_ instead. Mandatory + ranked choice voting is the best way to assure your leaders can stay in long when they’re good and get the boot when they stop being good.
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Complex-Royal92106 days ago
+17
Well America has strict term limits and we still got the orange doofus.
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CucumberWisdom6 days ago
+9
Ya but now imagine if he could just keep running
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Brief_Hospital_17666 days ago
+3
He might not need to, and no, I'm not referring to the Golden Big Mac.
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jc-from-sin6 days ago
+12
I would also argue for an age limit.
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Capable_Kiwi25146 days ago
+12
No. Studies have found that term limits incentivize self-dealing in the second term.
As Putin has demonstrated, autocrats can get around them anyway.
Government should be designed to create good governance, because good governance is a better panacea to authoritarianism than constant safeguards.
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kevinyeaux6 days ago
+6
I have to say, I don’t get this. I can’t think of a *single* country in Europe, for example, that has a term limit for PMs. In a functioning democracy, the public is perfectly capable of removing a PM and/or party from power when they are tired of them. Hungary is a specific case where it is *not* really a functioning democracy right now, and so I understand their situation.
As an American, I’m actually supportive of removing term limits for the presidency. That sounds really controversial right now, but I’d make the argument that in the last few decades, it’s hurt more than it has helped. Twice now the Democrats had relatively popular presidents that would have been really competitive at a third term: Bill Clinton and Obama. For the Republicans, term limits would basically have been a non-factor. Bush was the least popular president in history at the end of his second term, and Trump literally lost re-election the first time and is already more unpopular than any president since Bush.
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neroe56 days ago
+3
never really seen that as an issue, the problem is mainly that no one person should have that level of power
in my mind, you ideally want many political parties that have different agendas, that way they have to work together to get anything done
the prime minister/president should mainly be a diplomatic role, and only have additional power in times of crisis or war
one of the things we often see is that the governing body that should make all the laws are ground to a halt due to 2 party systems, inherited positions or similar, making the prime minister/president the only one that actually does anything, which slowly grants him/her more power
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northernallowance6 days ago
+2
I have always wondered what impact term limits would have had on Canadian politics.
A lot of Prime Ministers in Canada have held office for 7 or more years.
List of Canada’s PMs and length in office since mid-1984
Trudeau = 9 years, almost 10
Harper = 10 years
Martin = 2 years
Chrétien = 10 years
Campbell = 132 days
Mulroney = 8 years
Turner = 79 days
King (longest serving PM) was PM 3 different times (in office for a combined 21 years)
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VERTIKAL196 days ago
+4
I am not convinced here. I think Angela Merkel did a lot of good things in for germany and she stepped down voluntarily. Chances are that if she ran in 2021 she would have won a fifth time though maybe with a smaller margin.
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dafunkmunk6 days ago
+2
Unfortunately having strict term limits for the highest executive office really stops the problems from really bad candidates especially when every other position in government doesn't have term limits and the rot grows to a breaking point anyways. In the US, it's even worse because there are lifetime appointments that a president gets to make regardless of how long they are in office. The worst president in US historyhas seated 3 SCOTUS judges and very may well seat another two if trump and the oligarchs force thomas and alito to retire. And if theyre feeling extra corrupt, they might even try to force out roberts pretty much creating the most corrupt and unfixable scotus with 6 out of 9 judges picked by the most corrupt, evil, and insane president in US history.
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VERTIKAL196 days ago
+5
The problem here is that the president appoints supreme court judges. I like the german system much more here: The equivalent of the house and senate both elect half the judges. They serve for 12 years or until they are 68 and can not be reelected. The kicker here is that to elect a judge you need a 2/3 supermajority. That alone stops extremist judges from being appointed.
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PotentialAnt96706 days ago
+1
Maybe we should also punish treason with a trip to the [shadow realm] as a treat
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blackopal26 days ago
+1
And limiting "special interest" groups.
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quick_justice6 days ago
+1
Uk doesn’t and won’t. Because head of State is a monarch, he’s for life, and PM is just a guy a parliament wants at the moment, can be easily removed in many ways.
More than one democratic system of government exists, all with their advantages and disadvantages.
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Asuka_Rei6 days ago
+1
Term limits not just for executives but legislatures as well. Age limits for everyone, but judges especially. 65 years old seems like a good limit to me.
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Commercial-Co6 days ago
+1
Its one and done in korea.
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-Davo6 days ago
+1
In Australia we don't elect leaders, we elect parties. Parties elect leaders.
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mariosx126 days ago
+1
FDR.
It's as if the voters get what they vote for.
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Introverted_kitty6 days ago
+1
Compulsory and ranked choice voting would have a bigger effect then fixed terms.
Sometimes you need more then 2 terms to fix things. A fixed term also encourages short-term term goals that aren't good long term.
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midas226 days ago
+219
Orban is supported by both Russia and the United States since he's intent on sabotaging the democracies in the West... It's pretty wild.
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MrFilkor6 days ago
+94
On Hungarian state TV: one minute you hear some US representative talking about how "great and beautiful" little Hungary is (also, JD Vance is coming here on Tuesday), the next minute you hear the praises from some Russian representative. That's some weird shit.
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Limp-Ad-29395 days ago
+4
Not weird when you think about who works for who
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Kind-Handle30636 days ago
+521
Orban deserves jail for what he has done to the country
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ianjm6 days ago
+184
If Magyar wins (and that's still not guaranteed), it's going to take them time to unwind 16 years of sympathetic judicial appointments, civil servants, police chiefs and generals, but there can and should be investigations and prosecutions for corruption.
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prazulsaltaret6 days ago
+98
Orban will flee to Moskow the night of the elections if he's losing lol
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coupdelune6 days ago
+22
I will be in Budapest next week during the elections and I'm looking forward to seeing it go down in real time. Here's hoping Magyar wins!
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bacondesign6 days ago
+8
Or more likely to the US like his daughter already did.
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Thurak06 days ago
+19
And even if he wins, a peaceful transition of power with Orban doesn't sound likely.
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RandomPantsAppear6 days ago
+9
It’s far from guaranteed - it’s not likely. More possible than ever before, but still not the most likely option.
Fingers crossed, f*** Orban.
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Black_Pill_Dispenser6 days ago
+9
how is it not likely? the opposition is leading by 23 points, polymarket has Tisza winning at like 78% probability
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iceteka6 days ago
+21
Corruption, election tampering etc
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RandomPantsAppear6 days ago
+5
I hope poly market is right.
He heavily gerrymandered Hungary, but the rules go further. It’s w*****-take-all by district, and the extra votes from those wins get added again at the national level, which amplifies his party’s advantage.
It is a very weird and counterintuitive system, but basically his gerrymandered wins will make those same votes count twice and turn small leads into big seat advantages.
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deathgrinderallat6 days ago
+4
I can’t tell you without breaking TOS what I want to happen to him, but jail is fine. He’ll probably be in Russia after the new administration takes over.
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Raspberries-Are-Evil6 days ago
+36
Lets hope they can take their country back from the brink.
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MemecoinCartel6 days ago
+267
it's a great campaign promise, but Orbán has spent the last decade completely rewiring Hungary's electoral system and state media. Winning the election to actually implement this is the hard part
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rudolf_waldheim6 days ago
+7
If he gets the 2/3 of the seats in the parliament, he can do whatever he wishes just like Orbán. And this isn't unlikely anymore, Tisza will most likely win, the only remaining question is if with simple majority or 2/3.
Hopefully he will use his power for better things.
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SlckOvrfl6 days ago
+41
I'm pretty sure they have a better understanding of this than you.
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SwimmingThroughHoney6 days ago
+54
Just because it's easy to say doesn't mean it's easy to do.
Orban has spent the last 15 years changing the rules to slant elections in his party's favor.
And while the opposition party might actually win a majority in this election, they need a supermajority to amend the Constitution. Which means they'd need support from other parties to do so.
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Sorqu6 days ago
+31
There are no other parties. There's Orbán's fidesz, MHM a far right party who aligns with fidesz despite denying it publicly, and two other parties, MKKP certainly bought by fidesz, DK either delusional cretins or bought by fidesz, most likely both.
And than there is Tisza, who made his whole campaign about distancing themselves from everyone involved with the past 16 year's opposition. Pretty much everyone in Tisza is new to national politics and this has worked for them really well.
Some parties who actually care about removing fidesz from government didn't even register for the election and a few independent candidates and members from DK and MKKP who suddenly grew a spine later withrew from the election.
The only purpose of MKKP and DK is to dilute the candidate list and take away much needed votes from Tisza, according to the polls they wont get into parliment and it's a coin toss for MHM aswell.
It is very likely we'll get a two party parliment in favor of Tisza and supermajority is an actual possiblity. A good indicator is that the oligarch are evacuating their assets abroad, fidesz politicians are having public meltdowns and their election results party is going to be at the airport.
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Pr3no5 days ago
+2
Orban spent the last 15 years changing rules to slant elections in the biggest parties’ favor, it just happened to be that Fidesz was the biggest one forever, with no strong opposition in sight.
Now Tisza can actually benefit from that, but we’ll see in a week.
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needlestack6 days ago
+7
That's like saying the Democrats must know how to overcome Trump.
Opposition parties aren't magic. They're plagued by unrealistic hopes just like everyone else. The above poster's critique is valid. Hungary has failed this test before.
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fuckre5identadvisor6 days ago
+2
Comparing the current democratic party to an opposition that STEAMROLLED Orban is a bit ridiculous. Hungarians understood that they need to get rid of old guard liberals first before taking on Orban, as they're part of the problem.
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SlckOvrfl5 days ago
+3
This is what I was trying to get at as well, MP has been doing extremely well, as much as Trump learned from Orbán I think the democratic party could learn from MP.
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hoxxxxx6 days ago
+5
the main reason GOP leaders keep meeting with him. they want to run the US like he has ran Hungary. they're doing a pretty good job of it right now tbh.
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MacMillian1876 days ago
+21
Making this one of your main points of rallying before elections feels like an immediate green flag. It would mean he restricts himself from being in power too long, which goes against the nature of most politicians who are just doing it for the power.
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freelifemushroom6 days ago
+27
Hope they win
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i99990xe6 days ago
+23
The previous Bennett/Lapid government in Israel also promised to set term limits for the prime minister, but they failed to fulfill that promise during their time in office.
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soursop_magnolia6 days ago
+55
Even if they pass it, watch Orbán pull the classic Putin maneuver step down, install a loyal puppet prime minister for one term, and run the country from the shadows.
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ProtoplanetaryNebula6 days ago
+12
That wouldn’t work, he’s been in power for 16 years.
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g0ris6 days ago
+7
Fidesz could just get rid of the term limit the same way Tisza adds it.
The only thing that matters is if the Hungarian people give either party the super majority required to change the constitution.
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ProtoplanetaryNebula6 days ago
+2
Yes, but whilst the limit is in place Orban can’t run, it would have to be another fidesz member without his popularity. That person would not be hasty to remove the limit as that would mean Orban would want to run the next time.
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ghteykh6 days ago
+8
As someone who has never even seen Hungary I'd like to say that Hungarian people our hearts are with you. We had enough of the likes of Orban, Trump, Erdogan... Consequences of national elections are not limited by those countries' political borders anymore. People from all nations should start a fire of awakening.
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nandospc6 days ago
+25
Go Hungary, be the first domino to fall in the anti-European right-wing infrastructure. Next one will be Italy 😎
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pondering_extrovert5 days ago
+6
These f****** elections cannot come soon enough so Hungary and EU and the rest of the world is finally rid of that parasite.
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DeeJayDelicious6 days ago
+3
Even healthy, functioning Democracies need term limits.
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Zieprus_6 days ago
+3
Russia and China has a similar rule….. guess it didn’t work for them.
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AntonioLovesHippos6 days ago
+3
Leaders are like a baby’s diaper. Always full of shit and need to be changed often.
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cassydd6 days ago
+3
> “The Hungarian people have seen what happens when someone can remain prime minister for 16 or 20 years with full power, while systematically and deliberately dismantling the rule of law, eliminating checks and balances, and treating the country as a hostage and the fiefdom of their own family,” he said.
Term limits are probably a good idea in this case but reinstating and strengthening those checks and balances is more important, I think. Plenty of democracies remain strong with long-serving heads of government, and many have seen calamitous backsliding even within only a couple of years under one autocratically inclined leader. It's the institutions and the voting public that make the difference.
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Additional_Quiet26006 days ago
+9
Too bad that is unlikely. The FSB and likely the CIA are helping. Good luck Hungary. You're going to need it to get rid of this guy.
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Safety_Drance6 days ago
+2
Term limits should be the rule, not the exception for every democracy.
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S3lvah6 days ago
+2
I mean people like Orbán will find ways around it. Install a puppet who then changes the rule to something sneaky like "2 *consecutive* terms max." Remember his daddy Putin swapped positions with Medvedev for 1 term to skirt the rules himself – but he was obviously in charge the whole time.
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SequenceofRees5 days ago
+2
Knowing how long wicked people like him live, he might just live enough to try it again if he could - and there would be plenty of people voting for him .
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Limp-Ad-29395 days ago
+2
I hope this is what happens. The more and more I study authoritarianism the more scared I get of supermajorities
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kendogg5 days ago
+2
What's the likelihood of Orban simply not leaving, or doing some kind of coup to stay in power?
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OracleSeara6 days ago
+2
That worked out well in Russia and soon, the USA...
Constitutions only matter if the guys in charge give a f***.
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Koala_eiO6 days ago
+5
I will never understand people who say we shouldn't do something because it was included in some negative situations. You do realize it could be worse, right? "I don't put on my seat belt because I got a bit hurt in a car accident so it must be useless".
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jphamlore6 days ago
+2
The only form of democracy that makes sense in the long run is in my opinion Switzerland's. But there had to be a long history of necessary developments such as cantons that make sense and land reform.
Also there has to be patience for the wheels of voting to actually work. Switzerland is the only country in the world where men voted directly for women to have the right to vote, but it took until 1971, only 8 years before Ayatollah Khoumeini came to power in Iran.
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Sittingonalog19606 days ago
+6
The Australian democracy was the first nation to vote itself into existence, along with female suffrage and right to stand for office, both by 1902.
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Ydjeen6 days ago
+2
Germany needed that one 10 years ago as well.
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TEShero6 days ago
+1
Sounds good. But hopefully they dont just stop there... There is a tremendous amount of work and rebuilding to be done after this long with Mafioso-Orban running the country.
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b3iAAoLZOH9Y265cujFh6 days ago
+1
But quite apart from that, it's a sensible change in any case.
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NeXx0s6 days ago
+1
Dont give me hope
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Raulr1006 days ago
+1
Ok but if you can just add a term limit what's to stop the next government from removing it?
Term limits are only relevant if politicians can't change the laws around them.
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Slow-haste-266 days ago
+1
Do it!
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DeeDee_Z6 days ago
+1
This is a system, wherein **first** you have to get elected to Parliament, and **second** one such member (Minister) gets elected to be the Primary Minister. Right?
So, Orbán could be elected and reelected and reelected TO Parliament, but not become PM of that organization again. Right?
Not sure that solves anything.
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KSaburof6 days ago
+1
Definitely the right move in any case, two terms is a universal maximum for staying in power.
Proven by each and every country out there, imho //
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EuenovAyabayya6 days ago
+1
When they did this under FDR, they exempted the sitting president.
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Suspicious_Lime_15306 days ago
+1
hé ezek a mieink!
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blackopal26 days ago
+1
Smart move, yes! Plus, I am sure other stops need to be put in palace to discourage dictator types.
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yukoncowbear476 days ago
+1
Then they'd just run for president and run everything behind the scenes. Gotta account for that.
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crasspy6 days ago
+1
I would have thought cholesterol and visceral fat is probably going to limit his future options for office.
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zeek2156 days ago
+1
I don’t know Hungary’s history with how that came to be, but not having term limits for your head of state feels like intentional negligence.
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SolusIgtheist6 days ago
+1
I'm of the opinion that we should have a maximum number of years available to serve, in total, throughout a person's life. No more life-long politicians. 12-16 years tops in a single person's lifetime that they can be in any elected position.
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Mechaslurpee6 days ago
+1
Hungarian peter, I hope we elect a guy named turk turkleton
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Muted-Calligrapher-26 days ago
+1
My smooth brain read that as "Hungry Man opposition party"
Like, people probably shouldn't be eating those things but who else is going to feed my back of house middle America cousins?
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adude006 days ago
+1
If one party can change it why the other party cannot change it back?
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Potential_Salt_57806 days ago
+1
Good. Get that fascist f*** out.
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WolandWasHere6 days ago
+1
You’re gonna be staring at that ass for hours on end - pick something you like
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Undernown5 days ago
+1
I also recently heard that Orban had introduced Jerry-meandering to Hungary. He really copied all the bad parts of US "democracy" didn't he?
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Chris_OMane5 days ago
+1
He’d be Orbanned.
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GearInevitable91805 days ago
+1
Unless he pulls a Putin and just shifts to a supportive role and makes that stronger than PM, or waits and runs after sitting out a term.
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A_Nonny_Muse5 days ago
+1
Guys like him have a thousand ways around every rule you can make. For instance, now that he cannot be prime minister, he will create the even higher position "grand poobah". And he will be the only person allowed to run for the position. Since it's higher than the prime minister position, he will naturally be running the country for the next 3 generations.
So their court rules that "grand poobah" doesn't exist, so he creates the position "ultra-mondo-grand poobah" which overrides the courts, the legislature, and the military. So any disagreement is automatic treason. No need for costly and lengthy trials or such nonsense. It's straight to the firing squad.
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