I hate AI music and just AI art in general

"AI art" is an oxymoron.

We all hate AI “music”. That’s why 50 people make this same post every day.

It isn’t music or art. It’s just stolen work from humans pooped out of a machine in a unrecognizable form.

AI doesn't, can't, create art. For art to exist it has to have an artist. AI isn't art. Therefore anything it makes also isn't art.

All that talk for a cold as ice take. We get it ai is all shit

this....is a suno ad.

*"And I've heard many other arguments, one of such being "Oh, but some people are insecure about their voice!" or "Some people don't have good songwriting skills!". Okay? That's just a lousy excuse."* Don't they realise that that just means they are NOT GOOD?! AI songwriting "Help" is just cheating like in a game but in real life. There's no creative control there so it is NOT "Their" song. We all spend DECADES trying to master an instrument of create something beautiful and then people effectively just plagiarise and steal other people's creativity through software. I suppose some people just don't care. They have no true passion for music or art or writing so presumably don't care about whatever satisfaction or cathartic release could be gotten through actually creating these things- they just want money and/or attention.

It's an interesting conversation about the nature of art. If I tell an AI to give me a 4/4 beat, then play over it with the chords G, C and D, using a distorted guitar sound... then adjusting the timing until it's what i want... that's not art, right? now what happens if instead i find a record and slow it down and speed it up using digital techniques... until it is just right doing my 4/4 beat and G, D, C chords. Is this art? Because this is sampling, right? \*EDIT\* i'm not really sure why i'm being downvoted. I would've thought everyone should be having these discussions. Or, if there's real obvious answers to this, then sharing them.

It’s bad lol. Ai can’t make art for some reason

I speed scroll past any ad or post with AI images.

Generative AI tends to drive the value of digital content to zero. Why would someone listen to an AI song when there are a million others? Attention is a finite resource.

Whoa now buddy. Easy with the hot takes!

I think this is something that is not going to go away unfortunately. AI will become endemic in art. It is the new technology and someone, somewhere, will find a way to capitalize on this new technology and create a new thing in a way we never imagined, just like when the electric guitar and tube amps first came out. We don't know where music is heading, but it's going to break new ground soon enough and create weird niche subcultures, just like everything else has. As for the real artists competing with AI, they will be pushed to do more raw live performances. Whether new gen performers will play original music written by themselves or whether they use AI assistance is an ethical question listeners will answer for them

Use google to look shit up? AI

So brave. Finally, someone said it in this sub.

Its not art. 

Outsourcing your imagination and creativity to a literal machine that is like being best friends with the most grifting-ass plaigerist in the universe. It's not even acceptable for this c*** to be used in advertising. It's the opposite of the move for anyone who calls themselves an artist. I think where you've landed about it being ok for things -- stuff like spellcheck, and maybe as a drunken research assistant that have a penchant for compulsive lying, but more seriously as a way to surface medical cures and whatnot before anybody gets hurt is noble -- this is where most thinking people are landing. Folks insecure about their own expressions will continue to see no problems with it, and some folks can't even distinguish the slop as it is, but there are also people that go to my favorite restaurant and constantly say they love the music... which I can say every single time is just a muzak, laidback remix of a pop song. I could get angry at the owners, but I know that even muzak is almost always licensed, and is a separate segment of the music industry. I'm saying there are places AI fits, but not anywhere human ingenuity and creativity are what people are looking for. Just as you say - glad to see others land in this spot too. Glad to hear you've gone as far as you have, that experience will make your output like a fine wine, and that continues to get better the longer you look inside and reflect. Some people haven't seen the Miyazaki video, but tl;dr he's one of the greatest visual artists and his studio Ghibli has inspired like 4 generations of artists now. In this video, his studio of brilliant artists are showing their new projects. Some of the team decides to make something with AI... the reaction was just the death of hope in his expression, he said something like “I feel like we are nearing the end of times. ***We humans are losing faith in ourselves***." That's exactly what is happening. Technology has diminished the triumph of just doing something yourself, convenience of making use of free tools that barely survive by shoving advertising at us first to have them "make pictures or sounds" from a prompt alone is a slippery slope, but just as people are difficult to convince to buy music now, even more people getting into making music are lured into these thirst traps that feed into their own creative insecurity. Just as people are deciding who they are, they're being pushed into a world where all people are made to look foolish who don't hop onto trends, where those who genuinely care are seen as "cute" and ineffective, all of this in the idiotic chase for more money by a rapidly shrinking pool of geedy techbro grifters. So what is the solution? For me, and hopefully the world, is to just champion the stuff you know is made from people who care about their own skills and talent. Likewise, whether you see a brand new debut of a musician or artist of any kind, let them know you see how easy it could be to just be lazy, outsource their own creative vision and accept the slopfest that AI can deliver. Let them know people over technology is how you live. Let them know only humans make art, that some tools make the user the monkey, and that you can feel/notice resonate with their work.

And thats pretty much any new hip hop song now lol. They forgot about their roots and stopped sampling


hot take

generating and taking pride in AI art or music should herald the apocalypse imo.

i get it, like there's something so personal about creating music that ai just can't replicate. been playing guitar for 2 years and the whole process of figuring out a melody is what makes it special.

How is that any different that people who hate button pressers, aka “people who make beats”? It used to take musical talent to make music. It doesn’t anymore. I got free tickets to an imagine dragons show a few years ago and I swear I don’t think there was anything they played that I couldn’t play with about two weeks of practice. It just doesn’t take any skill to make music that people find popular anymore. People are crying about AI slop, but it sounds pretty much like the slop people have been “making” for the last few years anyway. Zero creativity. Zero dynamic range. Zero variations on a theme. In fact, since about 2005, music has sounded about the same. There is no “sound of the 2000s” or “sound of the 2010s”. When an 80s song comes on, everyone knows it. We know the 70s, 60s, 90s - almost across any genre. You can hear the difference. And the worst part is that increasingly, the only people getting famous or recognized for music were already little rich kids, for the most part. There used to be a chance for someone to write great songs, bust their butt playing shows, develop a following, and build something. A radio DJ might hear a great song or a great band and promote it. A music magazine might feature a review of a band, too, that would help out. None of that shit exists anymore. Now, some millionaire will decide if who “makes it”. The radio DJ, the newspaper, the guy making the music - it’s the same person. There is no way to break out. No way to get recognized. It was difficult before, but impossible now. And because no one hears great music anymore, fewer and fewer people are trying to make it. There are fewer “real” musicians than ever. Just some guy with a little loop machine and a drum pad pressing button in front of a crowd doomscrolling in their phones. Porcupine Tree really predicted it with their song “The Sound of Muzak” they released in 2002 (https://youtu.be/4ulgVOBpNWA?si=HTIwrY2g0D3Bi1N7). They wrote: Hear the sound of music Drifting in the aisles. Elevator Prozac Stretching on for miles. Music of the future Will not entertain. It's only meant to repress And neutralize your brain. Soul gets squeezed out. Edges get blunt. Demographic Gives what you want. One of the wonders of the world is going down, It's going down, I know. It's one of the blunders of the world that no-one cares. No-one cares enough. Now the sound of music Comes in silver pills. Engineered to suit you Building cheaper thrills. Music of rebellion Makes you wanna rage. But it's made by millionaires Who are nearly twice your age. Soul gets squeezed out. Edges get blunt. Demographic Gives what you want.

97% of people can't tell if music is AI or not and that number will get larger. So, you might hate the notion of it but still find yourself liking the results, even without knowing it.

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The problem is you can make this argument for almost any technical advancement. With the typewriter what happens to people who take the time to perfect their penmanship? The answer is the best of the best make it a career and the rest have a hobby. One neat thing about AI is it is a combination of all humans efforts. For AI to work it needs all of our knowledge so a little bit of our work lives on through the machines. It’s very communist until one company steals all our contributions to make massive profits…

Same here but I’m afraid there’s nothing we can do about it. (For context, I live in Asia in a country that doesn’t speak English.) People often can’t tell the difference between AI and real music. They put it on in the background at gatherings and just let it play. With AI they can now listen to the same melody multiple times but in all different styles. And it takes seconds to make, so at some point AI music will dominate just from sheer volume. I can’t really blame my friend for listening to AI music though. They don’t speak English so they can’t hear the mistakes. They don’t play music, so they can’t tell that it’s all fake. All they hear is a familiar melody and beat.

AI feels inevitable. I owned a retail shop for 17 years and being angry about Amazon didn't stop tech from making my efforts less valuable either. If it helps, all art is derivative. Doesn't mean original thought and creation isn't possible, but so much of what we do and make is built on the shoulders of those who came before us. Imagine if every artist had to learn music by banging two rocks together. AI is just taking what we've collectively created and putting it together quicker than humanly possible. Hopefully the human element that can actually distill that into something of cultural value continues to be appreciated. I don't think the human mind can well handle feeling irrelevant.

I think AI can be a great tool for artists, film makers and musicians. It’s the-very beginning there’s still a lot of problems with the tools but it will get better.

ai music is just vibes without the struggle. you put in 4 years, suno puts in 4 minutes. hits different when you know the work behind the sound

I think something needs to be done about AI stealing artist's work, but I also think we need to be realistic. Even if something is done about IP theft, AI is a real tool. It would be foolish to act as if it doesn't or shouldn't exist. It's simply a reality that artists are going to have to adapt to new tools that are available

Cope

Gobshite slop

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