my introduction to arthurian lore was in the disney movie the sword and the stone. in that movie, arthur's father and older brother are massive asshats to arthur, probably for the purpose of making arthur more of an underdog.
nowadays, my favorite adaptation of the story of king arthur is john boorman's film excalibur. and, in that movie, ector and kay are loving family to arthur.
kay, arthur's older brother, almost immediately gives arthur credit as the one who pulled the sword from the stone. ector, arthur's father, is grooming arthur to be kay's squire at the start of the story. he gives arthur some advice on how to be a good squire and is patient and forgiving. after arthur learns the truth about his origins, ector says that, while he originally took in arthur due to his fear of merlin, ector came to love arthur as his own. and, once arthur forms the round table, both ector and kay become members.
it would have been super easy and cliche to make ector and kay assholes so as to make arthur more of an underdog. but having him have 2 positive role models actually makes narrative sense. where do you think arthur got his good qualities from?
Kay being Arthur's biggest fan is true to the story.
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RecycledThrowawayIDApr 2, 2026
+27
That said, Kay is a bit of a douchebag. He is the Seneschal of Camelot, overseeing the day to day operations of the castle and grounds. The Tales of Arthur repeatedly portray him as a d*** to everyone that isn't Arthur or Guinevere. I seem to remember at least one story referring to him as 'Kay, sharpest of tongue'.
And in Excalibur they do pay homage to this portrayal , as Kay treats Percival pretty rudely, sending him to work on the scullery when Lancelot brings him to Camelot as a squire.
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mrgoobsterApr 2, 2026
+2
In Le Morte d'Arthur, Kay is a d*** to Gareth (as Beaumains) and Bruenor. He's seemingly rude to anyone of low or unknown status.
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TimeToSackUpApr 2, 2026
+5
Kay is the head of the Kingsguard at the end of the film... "Guards, Knights..squires...Prepare for Battle"
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Competitive-Food8407Apr 2, 2026
+43
Talk about a movie with a loaded cast, and almost all of them were minor characters.
Helen Mirren as Morgana
Patrick Stewart as Leondegrance
Liam Neeson as Gawain
Ciarán Hinds as Lot
I used to watch it every time it came on TV back in the 80s and early 90s.
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SaddestFlute23Apr 2, 2026
+21
Gabriel Byrne as Uther Pendragon
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Competitive-Food8407Apr 2, 2026
+6
SH!T I completely missed that one! nice call. Funny thing, I was looking back at the pics from the movie(haven't seen it in years, but I need to watch it again) I forgot how good looking Helen was back then.
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SaddestFlute23Apr 2, 2026
+2
Agreed about Helen Mirren, and she’s *still* got it
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lankeymarlonApr 2, 2026
+5
I watched it about a month ago for the first time and immediately could tell it was filmed in Ireland just from the amount of fresh faced, now well established, Irish actors that were in it.
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976chipApr 2, 2026
+3
Boorman intentionally cast Helen Mirren and Nicol Williamson in their respective roles because they had been in a disastrous production of MacBeth. He thought their natural animosity would be perfect for the interactions between Morgana and Merlin.
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SaulsAllApr 2, 2026
+18
That brief scene of Kay gives him so much humanity refined with honor.
>Kay, did *you* draw the sword?
>Yes....no. Arthur did.
He could have (well, he couldnt because magic) taken the sword and been lifted up and no one would ever believe a b****** younger brother yelling about how Kay lied. But he didnt, because a knight is honest, and loyal.
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mcalesyApr 2, 2026
+1
I love how he’s tempted for a second but only a second.
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Able-Conflict-3472Apr 2, 2026
+8
totally agree, it's refreshing to see those characters actually support arthur instead of dragging him down. it adds depth and shows how important having a solid family can be in shaping a hero.
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Excellent-Slip844Apr 2, 2026
+16
excalibur is so underrated
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SAOSurvivor35Apr 2, 2026
+6
By the public of today’s standards perhaps. They’re hard to impress in general. Those who know, know it’s a quality movie.
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jupiterkansasApr 2, 2026
+3
Underseen, mabye. Not underated.
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Hopeful_Coconut_7758Apr 2, 2026
+4
No it's not
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MovieMike007Apr 2, 2026
+6
And his father-in-law is bloody Patrick Stewart!
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_PinkSirenApr 2, 2026
+5
Finally, a family that gets it right.
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CutieSoft_Apr 2, 2026
+3
Finally! Someone else who appreciates Ector and Kay not being villains.
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JTOC1969Apr 2, 2026
+3
Making Ector and Kay the villains in the Disney movie is a convenient way of side-stepping the more adult elements of the classic Arthurian legends: Uther Pendragon using a spell to sleep with Igraine (who thought she was sleeping with her husband), Arthur having sex with his half-sister Morgan to produce the true villain of the Arthurian legends: Mordred. Not exactly Disney-friendly stuff.
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ScienscatologistApr 2, 2026
+2
His sister was nice to him, too.
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match_Apr 2, 2026
+2
I think Disney was going more for a ‘Cinderella’ tie-in.
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Obvious_wombatApr 2, 2026
+2
I got to see Boorman's Excalibur back in '81. It remains my all time favourite Arthurian epic
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boethius61Apr 2, 2026
+1
I mean if we're talking Excalibur ....
https://youtu.be/XAIeh0YarFs?si=AfWFVLgrfRbOsb-x
So much depth to this scene.
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IamZedApr 3, 2026
+1
Arthur actually sends Ector to fight Lancelot ahead of him.
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