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Munkeyslovebananas Mar 26, 2026 +460

The problem isn't that ICE has been lying, it's that nobody is enforcing the law.

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Boredtopher Mar 26, 2026 +152

Ah yes, police holding police accountable, what a world we would live in

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Impressive-Shake1710 Mar 26, 2026 +21

What a dream that would be. Police standing against ice. Both are tails when you call heads on a coin flip still. One would hope the military just starts to say no to illegal and immoral orders, but that’s clearly not happening

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KinkyKrook Mar 26, 2026 +8

A pig is a pig is a pig, federal, local, state, what have you.

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CherryLongjump1989 Mar 27, 2026

Police aren’t the ones who issue arrest warrants.

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lychigo Mar 26, 2026 +54

And ironically within the very courthouses that enforce the law. Obscene.

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SwissChzMcGeez Mar 26, 2026 +20

Lawlessness in the court of law.

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Witty_Wealth_3420 Mar 26, 2026 +4

Laws for thee not for me

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amateurbreditor Mar 26, 2026 +8

the local mayors etc are doing nothing to stop it even in democratic cities. a guy I personally know was pulled over by county police and referred to ice which is illegal. do the local government do anything? no. am I voting for these guys again? hell no. if democratic leaders cant even control their own police departments then I give up. our mayor here was talking about ice at the airport. I was like wtf are you doing dude? like literally endorsing them. Well he can go f*** himself. I am not supporting any party that supports this shit and theres no reason they cant have the local PD enforce the actual laws and protect the people that live in their cities. walz did the same shit in minnesota and let state police beat protestors. newsome let it happen in LA where they beat up kids. They beat up kids and newsome did nothing. f*** him too.

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Copy_Of_The_G Mar 26, 2026 +2

Back in 2020 I got into an argument with my city's mayor because there was a friggin' MRAP posted up outside of the county jail 3 blocks from the peaceful protests at the downtown parks. I kept asking her why she was allowing this in her city and after like a week with no response she finally said "I don't control what the Sheriff's Department does..." MF YOU ARE IN CHARGE OF THE CITY!!!! TELL THEM TO F*** OFF!!!

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amateurbreditor Mar 26, 2026 +3

I got into like 5 million fights on here where people make the claim the mayors or governors have no control. Well thats just false. I said how come in every movie or tv show the mayor comes out and then there is the chief of police. My god. Obviously they are in charge. I said about walz.. who I voted for... why does he let the state police attack protestors along with ice? I could see the state police fighting ice to leave the protestors alone but instead they are tear gassing people. I will never forgot that or forgive walz or newsome for what happened. Its absolutely disgusting. my mayor wants to fund tsa. Im like how about we get rid of the tsa dhs and ice altogether. Thats supposed to be the dem viewpoint not supporting these guys. in your case she should be firing whoever is doing the bad things.

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ThatGuy42123 Mar 26, 2026 +16

Well yes, but the REAL real problem is *how* do we enforce the law right now? The DOJ, FBI, and the Supreme Court are stacked with Trump’s cronies who refuse to lift a finger. What avenue is left for justice in this country?

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ebbing-hope Mar 26, 2026 +13

The answer to your question would get us banned.

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davidwhatshisname52 Mar 26, 2026 +5

chtst; "legally authorized" and "allowed" are very different concepts... they were very definitely *allowed*

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screeching-rat-king Mar 26, 2026 +3

It's absurd. People were outraged and saying it was illegal when they started doing it, just no one made any attempt to stop them. Then they started claiming they could - which was instantly rebuked with telling them they wrong/lying - and STILL no one did anything to stop them. Now that it's been months and they're saying "oh it turns out they lied." Like... no shit. We know. We knew. Local law enforcement should've been stopping it, but they've been complicit the whole time. They probably won't stop being complicit either while ICE just keeps doing it.

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Taphouselimbo Mar 26, 2026 +2

That would be corrupted Republican executive branch being supported by republicans controlled congress and Supreme Court. Conservative governance is garbage and only to benefit the grossly wealthy.

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Abject_Breadfruit148 Mar 26, 2026 +1

What do you mean? The white nationalists took the power and are enforcing things their way.

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Iowa_Dave Mar 26, 2026 +142

It will be interesting to see how this impacts the case of case of [Judge Hannah Dugan](https://www.npr.org/2025/12/18/nx-s1-5648584/judge-hannah-dugan-guilty-obstruction-ice) who was found guilty of "obstructing" justice when she was ~~likely~~ doing exactly the right thing. Edit: I stand corrected!

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cwk415 Mar 26, 2026 +54

>when she **was** ~~likely~~ doing exactly the right thing. Respectfully, FIFY

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Iowa_Dave Mar 26, 2026 +19

Thanks for the callout, you're right. My comment has been updated.

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crankfurry Mar 26, 2026 +5

I don’t think it does - this article is about civil court; Dugan was at a criminal court.

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Benabik Mar 26, 2026 +15

Even more specifically, this applies to immigration courts which are administrative hearings within DHS and totally separate from regular judicial process.

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Frustratedtx Mar 26, 2026 +66

so everyone arrested at at courthouse should be immediately set free then right? Fruit of the poisonous tree? If ICE was violating the law, then their arrests are tainted and any evidence obtained during these arrets and used to incarcerate these individuals should be thrown out.

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mastrofpenguins Mar 26, 2026 +8

They'll argue that laws (and violations there of) only apply to citizens, so not only is it fine, that they intend to keep doing it.

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sleepymeowth052 Mar 26, 2026 +6

but that's not true. Laws apply to everyone within the borders, no exceptions.

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mastrofpenguins Mar 26, 2026 +6

Haven't you heard? What is or isn't true is up for debate now. Climate change, the origin of COVID, whether or not vaccines are good for society, the amount of voter fraud, all of it. America is now an opinion based society, there is little to no consequence to breaking laws. If there's no consequences, they're merely suggestions.

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sleepymeowth052 Mar 26, 2026 +1

You're right. How silly of me to forget. I'll ask chatgpt next time

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TheTerrasque Mar 27, 2026 +1

So if I'm not a citizen, and rob a bank, I'm in the clear?

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Ok-Goat-2153 Mar 27, 2026 +1

In theory, if they ever get fue process, which isn't a given.

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kevendo Mar 26, 2026 +41

Americans really need to learn to *disobey illegal orders.* That's step one: mass refusal. These actions (ICE, DOGE, etc) were always, ALWAYS illegal overreach. The President does not have *most* of the powers he assumed for himself in this last year. And we just let him do it. Why? I understand there is zero accountability, but the least we can do is refuse and demand our own rights.

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yarash Mar 26, 2026 +14

The problem is they murder you and face no consequences.

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GladiatorJones Mar 26, 2026 +6

>Americans really need to learn to *disobey illegal orders*. You're not wrong. Unfortunately it's easier said than done when it comes with a risk of being shot/murdered in cold blood.

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kevendo Mar 26, 2026 +2

That why we must all do it together. Minnesota did it. Yes, some of them were killed in the process, but they stood together and the government was forced to back down and step away. We can still win but we have to be willing to stand up for ourselves and each other.

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AlcibiadesTheCat Mar 26, 2026 +1

The government hasn't backed down or stepped away. They're still doing it. They're just quieter about it.

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kevendo Mar 26, 2026 +2

I get the sentiment, but they absolutely did back down in response to protests and the national reaction to ICE. It's not over, obviously. They're at the airports and planning to be at the ballot box. But we proved that they are still vulnerable, and it's worth feeling a little of that power.

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Mala_Practice Mar 26, 2026 +6

The problem is if he is allowed to do it, the precedent is set.

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kevendo Mar 26, 2026 +3

That precedent needs to be reset. We let him do it because of the "shock and awe" of the first year. Now that we know better, we have every right to tell them no, to tell them to pound sand.

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threehundredthousand Mar 26, 2026 +3

Unfortunately, money is the key driving factor in US culture. Look at the ICE agents unmasked at airports. People just don't care as long as they get paid.

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Mother_Patience_6251 Mar 26, 2026 +1

I’d like to know what they haven’t been lying about.

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Immolation_E Mar 26, 2026 +73

So that judge that got convicted of obstructing ICE should have their ruling and sentence overturned.

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ayleidanthropologist Mar 26, 2026 +22

Will need to jail whoever charged her

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Abject_Breadfruit148 Mar 26, 2026 +5

The white people who listened to the case and said she deserved to be jailed for helping a brown person?

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Sad_Locksmith_2904 Mar 26, 2026 +19

Courthouse arrests and arrests at immigration interviews are so blatantly against the public interest. Like yeah, those are great ways to catch immigrants, but it specifically only catches the immigrants who are here and trying to use the appropriate legal processes.

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JustTestingAThing Mar 26, 2026 +5

> but it specifically only catches the immigrants who are here and trying to use the appropriate legal processes. Sure, but otherwise they might have to do some investigative work and/or go after *actually* potentially dangerous/violent folks. Grabbing innocent people in a place where you know they'll be at an exact time and date weeks in advance and a bunch of dudes with guns are right there if they try to resist in any way whatsoever makes them feel SO much more manly.

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Yingmyyang Mar 26, 2026 -2

From Department of Homeland Security reports: Carlos Salvador Chacon-Franco Crime: Sexual assault of a child Perez Benancio Crime: Fentanyl trafficking (40g+) Jose Sanchez-Martinez Crime: Felony assault with intent to kill Ramiro Garcia-Rodrigues Crime: Illegal weapon possession Ernesto Armenta Lopez Crime: Assault with a deadly weapon Jonatan Monzon-Olivares 38 prior arrests, 15 convictions Crimes: sexual assault, burglary, aggravated assault Pedro Carrillo-Miranda Crime: Child sex offense Lloyd Tinashe HweHwe Crime: Intoxicated manslaughter Trong Ho Luong Crime: Drug manufacturing (cocaine & MDMA) Lamphay Syvongsa Crimes: Robbery, firearm offenses Let’s not live in a fantasy the list goes on 38 prior arrest is crazy.

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JustTestingAThing Mar 26, 2026 +2

Cherry picking a few people they accidentally stumbled across doesn't prove the point you think it does. Show those stats for every single person they picked up in a month time period, go for it.

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Yingmyyang Mar 26, 2026 -1

Lala land you got google go find it.

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JustTestingAThing Mar 26, 2026 +1

You're the one making the claim, back it up. That's not my responsibility.

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Yingmyyang Mar 26, 2026

Gain nothing from that I don’t think I will

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JustTestingAThing Mar 26, 2026 +2

Then everyone is free to dismiss your claim as utter nonsense as a result.

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Yingmyyang Mar 26, 2026 +1

Lmao same to you.

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JustTestingAThing Mar 26, 2026 +1

What claim did I make that needs to be backed with evidence?

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iamuseless Mar 26, 2026 +13

It’s not a lie if they can do it with impunity.

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ReleaseFromDeception Mar 26, 2026 +3

Precisely. Perception here is reality - and, while we can reason that what we are seeing is wrong and not in keeping with the letter of the law, we can't help but admit that they are still doing it, even though it is provably wrong to do so. And everyone else across the world sees it too.

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Fun-atParties Mar 26, 2026 +1

we were always at war with eastasia

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LividTacos Mar 26, 2026 +6

So that Judge that attempted to prevent a courthouse arrest and got convicted of a crime is gonna get that overturned, right? EDIT: Oh and get her job back too because she resigned rather than risk impeachment. Because if ICE wasn't allowed to be there, then she couldn't have interfered with them.

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FlyFisherman4Life Mar 26, 2026 +3

Imagine the amount of money US government will have to pay to settle all these lawsuits created by ICE milita and incompetent leadership?

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Pravi_Jaran Mar 26, 2026 +2

Everything coming out of this criminal, treasonous administration is a lie.

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Illustrious-Fun8324 Mar 26, 2026 +2

Would anyone MAGA like to step up and admit they were wrong to defend this?

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blackmobius Mar 26, 2026 +2

So theyll release all those people, and pay them restitution for false politically motivated arrests? No? Ok.

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Netflix_and_Chile Mar 26, 2026 +2

Lying nonstop just like their MAGA king lord rapist the turd.

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Jonathan_Goldstein Mar 27, 2026 +1

Of course they can. Breaking the law isn't magically allowed just because your in a court room

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PinkoMarxistCommie Mar 26, 2026 +1

Wow, lying is the worst thing you could do too. It's a good thing that lying is the only bad thing ICE has ever done. It's not like they're concentrating people in camps, or murdering people in the street, or raping those in their custody. /s Seriously though the article tries to sensationalize but misses the entire point of what's actually happening here.

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CrustyTh3Punk Mar 26, 2026 +1

So the consequences of this will be….?

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CelticSith Mar 26, 2026 +3

US taxpayers will foot the bill for the mountain of forthcoming lawsuits.

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hitbythebus Mar 26, 2026 +1

Every time I think we’re approaching the maximum number of stupid lawsuits we crest a peak and there’s a taller peak on this f****** fountain rising into view.

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Potential_Figure4061 Mar 26, 2026 +1

laws are only good if the laws are enforced. there was no reason to lie, nobodys going to stop them

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Even_Establishment95 Mar 26, 2026 +2

And doesn’t arresting someone going through the legal process of immigration prove that it was never about “illegals” and criminals?

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Memitim Mar 26, 2026 +1

They're doing such a great thing for the American people that nonstop lies are needed to constantly cover for their crimes and evil. That definitely sounds f****** conservative, alright.

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fielvras Mar 26, 2026 +1

What about murdering people in broad daylight?

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WongUnglow Mar 26, 2026 +1

4 magazines and an assault weapon. Ain't no way he's moving and shooting. They really are larpers.

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Fizeau57_24 Mar 26, 2026 +1

Oh dear. Someone in the doj wrote about an attorney’s error (but not theirs) to a court and it appears that the leg ice used to obstruct justice in immigration legal matters and in courthouses was innapropriate... And there’s nothing that says why doj didn’t check what they were told by ice.

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Ging287 Mar 26, 2026 +1

Who watches the watchmen?

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VengefulWalnut Mar 26, 2026 +1

Every word after the word "lying" is superfluous to any statement.

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FlournoyFlennory Mar 26, 2026 +1

Yes paywall!

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SBishop2014 Mar 26, 2026 +1

Could have ended this headline after "ICE has been lying"

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abgry_krakow87 Mar 26, 2026 +1

Religious conservatives have no concern for the law or the constitution.

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xultar Mar 26, 2026 +1

So what about that judge that didn’t right thing? They gonna let her off?

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