Israel is probably the country that like to use "collateral" damage most liberally.
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Echo6931 day ago
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Isn't it obvious that Israel sent it's most valuable military assets (pilots and their jets) to fly over 2,300 km just to hit a synagogue?
/s, only because I know that people actually believe this laughable logic.
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WoodSage1 day ago
+27
I want you to find you in every thread where Russia hit a civilian target saying exactly this.
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qTp_Meteor1 day ago
+49
It isnt as dangerous or hard for russia to yoink missiles at ukraine as it is for israel to fly out there with jets. Thats the entire point
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try_another81 day ago
+30
So why do you think israel hit a synagogue?
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Throwaway54321543221 day ago
+27
Good luck getting anything remotely approaching a legitimate reply to this one
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PedanticPerson1 day ago
+8
Maybe they just got bored and felt like killing babies. Also the Jewish state is well known for hating Jews! /s
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grympy1 day ago
-24
This but unironically
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Cobrastrikenana1 day ago
-11
Hey so why did they hit a synagogue?
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PedanticPerson1 day ago
+10
They stated it was in the blast radius of Hezbollah target, which is also the only explanation that would make sense IMO
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Cobrastrikenana1 day ago
-8
So they just don’t care if they hit a synagogue?
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PedanticPerson1 day ago
+10
What do you expect them to do? Ignore any terrorists launching rockets near synagogues?
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TheColourOfHeartache1 day ago
-1
Russia has evil but rational motives for hitting Ukrainian civilians. I don't think it will work, but you can see what Russia's goals are and why they think targeting civilians reaches those goals.
Israel has no rational motive to hit a synagogue in Iran.
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TheRealSplinter1 day ago
+9
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were classified as military targets by the US (due to military/industrial facilities in those cities)...that's a lot of collateral!
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odd_orange1 day ago
+16
Ah yes, the classic “but US did this thing unrelated almost 100 years ago” comment.
Also they were targeted *because* of the large populations. They weren’t hiding the fact that their intent was to show the immediate destructive power and loss of life they could inflict. It’s different than calling everyone an anti semite then shrugging when you murder people in of the Jewish faith
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TheRealSplinter1 day ago
+3
While that was a big reason why Hiroshima was chosen, that is not what was said publicly. This is what Truman said:
> *The world will note that the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, a military base. That was because we wished in this first attack to avoid, insofar as possible, the killing of civilians.*
That's the only connection being made. Other than that, you're reading too deep into my comment and adding your own meaning to it (another classic listnook moment).
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odd_orange1 day ago
+2
Idk where you got that quote from. Here’s his statement on the bomb: “We are now prepared to obliterate more rapidly and completely every productive enterprise the Japanese have above ground in any city. We shall destroy their docks, their factories, and their communications. Let there be no mistake; we shall completely destroy Japan's power to make war.
It was to spare the Japanese people from utter destruction that the ultimatum of July 26 was issued at Potsdam. Their leaders promptly rejected that ultimatum. If they do not now accept our terms they may expect a rain of ruin from the air, the like of which has never been seen on this earth. Behind this air attack will follow sea and land forces in such numbers and power as they have not yet seen and with the fighting skill of which they are already well aware”
What are you saying other than “US did thing so this fine”? Really?
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TheRealSplinter1 day ago
+3
My quote is from his [radio address](https://speakola.com/political/harry-s-truman-radio-broadcast-1945), and it is not unaligned with your quote.
Where did I say anything about it being OK? I'm just saying, "oh hey, the US has done this too!" which doesn't imply it is a good thing. This being "collateral" in quotes (from the top level comment) which I took to mean something along the lines of saying publicly they tried to avoid civilian casualties when in fact they didn't.
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defroach841 day ago
+13
On the flip side, countries like Iran just aim for civilian targets.
And yes, everyone in this war are the bad guys.
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AntagonisticFetus1 day ago
+51
We call that a tactical whoopsie.
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3rd-party-intervener1 day ago
-15
It’s not . It was done on purpose. As long as they get their target they don’t care about what else gets impacted or killed.
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MegaLemonCola1 day ago
+31
Yeah, the Jewish state definitely deliberately bombed a Jewish place of worship because that makes perfect sense.
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3rd-party-intervener1 day ago
-29
You think they care? You never read the Hannibal directive?
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Opposite_Living_79271 day ago
+4
Hannibal directive is in case a soldier is getting taken hostage and its impossible to rescue them
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ThePickleConnoisseur1 day ago
+9
Persian Jewish are a historic ethnicity. There are hundreds of thousands of them in Iran. No this is not it
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AntagonisticFetus1 day ago
-19
Yes, I know. Israel has a very storied history of leveling entire city blocks to prosecute a target. I was being facetious.
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FirefighterLeft54251 day ago
-19
Terrorism!
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AntagonisticFetus1 day ago
+2
Ohhh, so edgy!
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-Average_Joe-1 day ago
+19
The pro move here would have been to claim that Iran bombed it using one of their Tomahawks.
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Popular_Muffin431 day ago
+8
GOP sold them in the 80s
How do you think Ollie got his gold
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avidernis22 hr ago
+3
The pro move is to tell the truth, which presumably is what the IDF did here.
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ZBlackmore1 day ago
-8
Israel is the only country in the world to ever hit stuff by mistake in wars. All other militaries have 100% perfect intelligence and perfectly guided munitions only.
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Objective_Chest_16971 day ago
+27
That's some great gaslighting and moral equivalency....
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soft_taco_special1 day ago
+23
What's the moral equivalent to mass public hangings in the street by crane?
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suamai1 day ago
-12
Killing over 150 in an elementary school? Not sure though, I left my war crimes moral condemnation conversion table at home
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soft_taco_special1 day ago
+25
A misidentified target is equivalent to hanging thousands of your own people including children in the streets and televising it? Get the f*** out of here.
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JD0x01 day ago
+30
Also, besides being unintentional and a mistake, wasn't that the US's missile that hit the school, not the IDF's?
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Rockmja1 day ago
-22
Uh all of Gaza would like a word with u
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apathetic_revolution1 day ago
+7
I'm sure Iran would misidentify targets too if most of their missiles didn't get shot down.
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mad-data1 day ago
+11
Not sure. To misidentify target you need to start with trying to identify military targets. Iran seem to target cities intentionally.
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mad-data1 day ago
+9
Funny how its always "Journalists" killed by IDF turn out to be Hamas or Hezbollah officers, hanging out with RPGs instead of Video camera.
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Aryeh981 day ago
+7
Zionism isn’t a slur.
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JD0x01 day ago
+11
People who don't know what it truly means certainly try to use it at one.
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soft_taco_special1 day ago
+10
Everything you accuse Israel of doing Iran is 1000X more guilty of. I have plenty of objections to how Israel conducts itself, but if you want to make it a competition and force me to pick a side the decision is easy.
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soft_taco_special1 day ago
+12
That would sting if I had even one iota of respect for you or anyone who carries water for Iran.
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Aryeh981 day ago
+9
It’s good if his Zionism is showing. Zionism isn’t a bad thing.
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FlyConfident66221 day ago
-3
So any time ICE and local PDs kill or wrongly incarcerate people randomly in America , youd ve ok with a foreign army invading to liberate Americans?
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soft_taco_special1 day ago
+4
How much lead must one ingest to concoct such an incomprehensibly dense hypothetical?
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PatientRoutine82911 day ago
+7
I too regularly make former military infrastructure currently next to military bases used to school small children. It only makes sense (to f****** terrorists)
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no_kids-and-3_money1 day ago
+3
Most countries put public schools on military bases. I live in the US and went to 3 of them without having a family member in the military.
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PatientRoutine82911 day ago
+5
The US doesnt regularly include civilians as human shields as part of their fighting strategy. I know, context is difficult.
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Consistent-Study-2871 day ago
-7
Look at what buildings are around the Kirya and get back to me.
Also, Israel treats police stations and checkpoints as valid military targets, and they have military checkpoints at the entrances of Palestinian schools... So.. yeah.
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PatientRoutine82911 day ago
+9
Israels enemies use civilian infrastructure and people as a shield. Thats not israels fault
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Consistent-Study-2871 day ago
-12
Israel also uses civilian infrastructure and people as shields. Does that mean it's not Iran's fault if they kill an Israeli citizen.
Because I think it is, but apparently you don't?
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PatientRoutine82911 day ago
+15
Ah yes, 10/7, the famous assault on military installations like a concert and kitchens. What a sad person you are
Go ahead, tell the class why hamas openly targets israeli citizens. Its a convenient truth for me, but a very inconvenient truth for you. Same reason they only report casualties as 1 number, never specifying military losses vs civilian
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siraliases1 day ago
-13
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/11/18/hamas-had-not-planned-to-attack-israel-music-festival-israeli-report-says
Here you go
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jacquesroland1 day ago
+11
The more you drill down into what leftists think how Israel should be allowed to defend itself, the more absurd it gets. It ultimately boils down to there’s nothing Israel can do that wouldn’t make a lefty unhappy. They expect Israel just to accept rocket attacks and knife attacks with shrugged shoulders at best and at worst make claims that every Israeli life is forfeit unless they vacate their country LOL.
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TuctDape1 day ago
+7
No one is saying that
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Impression-These1 day ago
+1
No, but the only country that there would be an army of people defending them after hitting a civilian target. There is no country that the world is more OK with them killing everyone they please than Israel.
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Pornfest1 day ago
+17
Literally watched an army of people on here defending Iran using cluster munitions…
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HigherandHigherDown1 day ago
+21
Historically many or even most casualties of war are civilians. It just happens in wars.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian\_casualty\_ratio](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualty_ratio)
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Professional_Cat96471 day ago
-10
Remind me, who started this war?
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Throwaway54321543221 day ago
+12
The “axis of resistance”, back in 2023
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RezChi1 day ago
+19
Ehhhh have you seen the comments about Hezbollah attacks, or Hamas, or basically any other terrorist group that wants Jihad?
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Jalapenoplanter1 day ago
-6
the only close comparison to israel is terrorist groups?
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TheColourOfHeartache1 day ago
+4
Ukraine targets Russian civilan assets, e.g. the oil industry. I would defend that but i don't need to. Nobody criticises that.
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faffc2601 day ago
+6
there are plenty, israel is however the only one in the "western sphere" I guess though, so they get all the attention.
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itspronouncedbolonya23 hr ago
+1
Whys noone getting the obvious sarcasm on this?
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siraliases1 day ago
+1
Well, at least it can be admitted.
Maybe they should buy some of this 100% perfect stuff, they seem to do a lotta whoopsies
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Unlucky_Accountant711 day ago
-20
People won't like it but that's a key difference between the IDF & the IRGC. IRGC hides their mistakes
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Professional_Cat96471 day ago
+9
Israel has killed more journalists than literally anyone. Taking pictures and sending them outside of the country is literally banned. IrGc hIdEs thEiR misTaKes gtfo
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Unlucky_Accountant711 day ago
-2
Doesn't count when it's Hamas journalists..those are just called terrorists
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Professional_Cat96471 day ago
-4
Are you delulu? Israel just labels anything they kill and destroy hamas.
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meninblck91 day ago
-15
We call that murder
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OwlBr33ze1 day ago
-4
In war? No
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PositiveUse1 day ago
+1
The only reason why it was important that Vance was at the Pakistan summit. Only guarantee that Israel wouldn’t have taken down the whole hotel with all the collateral damage to kill some targets
(This is of course overly exaggerated)
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ruskyandrei1 day ago
-22
Don't think I know of any other country that is more ok with any form of "collateral damage".
Russia technically, though I think when the Russians bomb civilians, they actually do it on purpose so can't call it collateral.
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HutSutRawlson1 day ago
+22
I don’t think I know of any countries that *aren’t* okay with it. Kind of seems odd to single Israel out here, literally every country that has engaged in war has caused collateral damage.
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interstat1 day ago
+6
? Isn't it every country
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1877KlownsForKids1 day ago
-11
So the IDF is antisemitic, right? Just making sure I'm applying the standards correctly here.
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DiggingforPoon1 day ago
-43
The literally are blowing up their own people to bomb Iran...
Jesus the sickness.
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Odd-Row94851 day ago
+4
There can be more than one bad guy
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+11
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trigerhappi1 day ago
+6
Iran (Persians, Shia) don't see the other side as "their own" in that they're bombing majority Sunni Arab.
It's like saying the English were killing their own (English, Protestant) at Agincourt (French, Catholic) in 1415.
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RaptorJesusDesu1 day ago
+7
Were the peaceful protesters mass murdered in Iran their own
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Luffy-in-my-cup1 day ago
+5
Israel isn’t a bad guy in this respect, they’re a small country surrounded by anti-semites that want to kill them. There’s less than 30m Jews worldwide and around 2b Muslims who believe they’re occupying Islamic lands. Israel would rather be hated and alive than loved and dead.
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Beautiful_Bag67071 day ago
+3
>There’s less than 30m Jews worldwide
Far less. Try 15M
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Different_Height_1571 day ago
-12
Sure Jan
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Ellusive11 day ago
+1
You mean hitting American bases in Arabic countries.
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Ellusive11 day ago
Retaliated after being attacked isn’t the same.
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gman7571 day ago
-17
Nothing “collateral” about it.. Israel has a *HEAVILY* marked history of blatantly targeting Civillian buildings
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