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PiperPeriwinkle Apr 21, 2026 +260

The propoganda is so strong in 2026 that we have "*progressives*" unironically stanning Iran, Hezbollah and the Houthis, in this very thread. We live in wild times.

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SNTCTN Apr 21, 2026 +163

I'm old enough to remember being called Unamerican after 9/11 for thinking war in the middle east was unnecessary. But I guess we have to go back again now...

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LevelFix83 Apr 21, 2026 +30

When you find objective truth in politics, be sure to let us know how we should all think and behave.

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giantroboticcat Apr 21, 2026 +58

I'd love you to actually provide a link to this claim. Because all I ever see are *"moderates"* equating any criticism of Israeli and US Empiricism with implicit support of terrorism and authoritarian rule as if it is completely impossible for someone to be against both.

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mesopotato Apr 21, 2026 +56

Did you see the American protests in March calling Khamenei a hero? Not exactly what you're looking for but they're pretty easy to find and definitely proof of increasing support in the west.

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GoodbyeBlueMonday Apr 21, 2026 -11

> Did you see the American protests in March calling Khamenei a hero? Oddly, I can't find video evidence of that.

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mesopotato Apr 21, 2026 +35

You didn't look very hard then. There's raw video on YouTube as well if you decide to look. The one in NYC in particular had hundreds of people. https://www.adl.org/resources/article/quds-day-and-other-iran-related-protests-nationwide-platform-support-terror

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sproge Apr 21, 2026 +9

Lmao, I'm not the guy you're talking to, but you're really going to link ADL like it's a neutral source in a discussion like this? 😂 The other guy may as well start linking Iranian state news at this point

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mesopotato Apr 21, 2026 +30

Again, there's raw footage. The date and location and name of the protest are in the article. You can go look yourself or I can link you in about an hour.

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sproge Apr 21, 2026 -23

Link that then, don't link a source even Wikipedia has banned as being unreliable, lol. The fact that you see them as reliable in the first place is pretty telling, just like if somebody were linking Iranian state news it'd be pretty telling where they got their opinions from. You can't just trust everything you see on the internet, before you trust anything you read it's a good idea to read up on the source of the claim first, and only put your trust in sources you've deemed deserving of said trust. And the ADL is *notoriously* bad, I'd sooner trust Breitbart, haha. We all need to be really careful about where we get our information from in this day and age, with so many bad actors trying to influence us.

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Akrab00t Apr 21, 2026 +10

Are you being dumb on purpose? just look up "quds day usa/canada/uk" and you'll have plenty. There's also a literal Youtube video of someone interviewing those idiots in NYC.

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mesopotato Apr 22, 2026 +17

Bro would rather write 3 paragraphs about the source instead of a few words in a Google/youtube search.

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sproge Apr 22, 2026 +3

Haha, jikes, gotta love the reading comprehension from you lot. I specifically said that I'm not the guy he's talking to, I really don't care either way re what they're talking about, all I've said is that the ADL is a shit source and that you really should not be using them to gather your information from.

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zezxz Apr 22, 2026 -5

Been well over an hour? Pretty strong claim to make and then not provide easily located videos.

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mesopotato Apr 22, 2026 +6

I did post one below.

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zezxz Apr 22, 2026 -4

Having comments set to private is sus in itself but how exactly would anybody find “below”? It’s already a cesspool of comments impossible to dig down into, just link the comment or re-share the source.

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NagyLebowski Apr 22, 2026 +1

It’s always funny when people attack the source without engaging with the data itself. Yes, the source is pro-Israel, which is precisely why they’d be more into exposing c*** like this.

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northernCRICKET Apr 21, 2026 +3

Imperialism, colonialism, fascism would be the terms you're looking for, empiricism is something totally different

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[deleted] Apr 21, 2026 -5

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Inevitable-Weird-387 Apr 21, 2026 +44

Israel is bad and so is Hezbollah. All bad. All kill innocents. All suck

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PiperPeriwinkle Apr 21, 2026 +10

Yes, as a result of each's actions, civilians die. The motivation for each is different, the capacity for negotiation and peaceful resolution is different. Israel is imperfect. Hezbollah is irredeemable.

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arobkinca Apr 21, 2026 +32

What is Israel's current plan for Gaza? Edit: Why is this question so offensive?

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yosisoy Apr 22, 2026 +19

Demilitarization

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arobkinca Apr 22, 2026 -12

That is a goal, not a plan.

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yosisoy Apr 22, 2026 +15

Did you expect a powerpoint?

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arobkinca Apr 22, 2026 -12

No, a plan. Single words are not plans. You can't chant away the weapons.

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Inevitable-Weird-387 Apr 22, 2026

To take the land and sell it to Jared Kushner

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yosisoy Apr 22, 2026

Anti Israelis will legit say this

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Beneficial_Soup3699 Apr 21, 2026 -18

"imperfect" You people are *lost*.

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advance512 Apr 22, 2026 +27

Do you realise who wears uniforms and who does not, and what that actually means, both about intent and about values?

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yosisoy Apr 22, 2026 +8

Don't expect a response

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notafuckinmarine Apr 22, 2026 -15

Yeah OK, man. Hezbollah only exists because Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982. Israel is the common denominator in all these conflicts. They’re the ones violating ceasefires, they’re the ones who attacked Iran while Iran was at the negotiating table.

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FYoCouchEddie Apr 22, 2026 +15

And why did Israel invade Lebanon? Oh yeah, because they kept getting attacked from Lebanon.

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advance512 Apr 22, 2026 +20

Israel has been out of Lebanon since 2006 at least. Why is Hezbullah still around?

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christhewelder75 Apr 22, 2026 -7

Israel has killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Palestinians in gaza since October 7, Hezbollah hasnt come anywhere near that since 1982. Even if you buy the idf number of 70,000 its not even close.

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NagyLebowski Apr 22, 2026 +4

Oh so we’re just making up numbers now? 70K was the Hamas and Al Jazeera number, btw. And it’s all deaths, not just “innocent Palestinians.”

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CookieCrispr Apr 22, 2026 -16

Ah yes, the slight imperfection that killed 70,000 civilians in Gaza. And a mere 2,000 since last month in Lebanon. "Imperfect".

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NagyLebowski Apr 22, 2026 +8

They didn’t kill 70K civilians in Gaza, that you are understanding numbers from the Hamas Health Ministry as being solely civilians shows you are not ingesting information about this conflict very carefully. Or you are trying to spread misinformation. And same goes for the Lebanon numbers. Both numbers include combatants.

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CookieCrispr Apr 22, 2026 -2

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/19/gaza-death-toll-higher-than-reported-lancet-study Lancet global health scientific paper. This includes 42,000 women, children and elderlies. But I guess you're going to say these numbers are wrong too? You surely must have a more reliable source from the Israeli army?

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NagyLebowski Apr 22, 2026

You understand that is an estimate based on multi-year surveys (ie, self reporting during war) that the authors admit has risks for error. Not sure why you are deeming it more trustworthy than what Hamas is putting out itself. Is it just you like the bigger numbers? And as for the Lancet, sure it’s reputable, it also publishes some c***—like the paper that first made the false link between vaccines and autism. At any rate, this is plainly not what the person I was responding to was referencing.

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xmuskorx Apr 22, 2026 -2

Why is israel bad? because of self defence?

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christhewelder75 Apr 22, 2026 -3

Ah yes, every war Israel has **started** was in "self defense" Hezbollah didnt exist until Israel attacked Lebanon in 1982 after the attempted assassination of shlomo argov by Abu Nidal Organization. Israel then attacked Lebanon to eliminate the PLO (which they knew had nothing to do with the attempt) but they wanted to replace the Lebanese government with a puppet Bashir Gemayel. But sure "self defense". I think maybe ill "defend myself" and go steal my neighbors hot tub....

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xmuskorx Apr 22, 2026 +13

>Ah yes, every war Israel has started was in "self defense" it did, >Hezbollah didnt exist until Israel attacked Lebanon in 1982 ... Israel faced CONSTANT attacks from Lebanon at the time from PLO...FOR YEARS... OF COURSE you ignore legitimate self-defense from PLO for some reason... (oh wait, I know EXACTLY the reason...) Hezbo was started by IRAN with Lebanon war as a thin EXCUSE. Just like Houthis were started by Iran (even tough Israel has never been in Yemen).

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christhewelder75 Apr 22, 2026 -5

The PLO had nothing to do with at attempted assassination, but Israel used it as an excuse. You ignore the fact that Israel has been stealing land from arabs in the region since its inception. Im sure that had nothing to do with any anti Israel sentiments. Jews, arabs and Christians lived relatively peacefully in the region for hundreds of years. Then a bunch of Europeans flooded in, began terrorist attacks on JEWISH communities in iraq and Egypt to push them to move into Israel while displacing people who lived there for generations. Groups like Irgun Zvai Leumi and Lehi committed terrorist attacks and assassinations on the British, and arabs long before hamas, Hezbollah, the houthis, or iran. The original jews fleeing Europe post ww2 were accepted into palastinian homes. Then groups of those refugees started attacking Palestinians and expelling 700k people from their lands. But u dont seem to think that is reason to want to fight back against a colonial apartheid ethno state

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xmuskorx Apr 22, 2026 +14

> The PLO had nothing to do THE PLO ATTACKED ISRAEL FROM LEBANON FOR YEARS..... >Jews, arabs and Christians lived relatively peacefully in the region for hundreds of years. No they did not. Jews were oppressed dhimmis that were continuously killed, cleansed, and abused. It was "peaceful" in the sense that Jews were so oppressed they could not offer meaningful resistance to all the massacres / pogroms going on for hundreds of years,. >on the British Ohh, so fighitng a colonial power is bad when when Jews do it? >The original jews fleeing Europe post ww2 were accepted into palastinian homes. NO they were not. They had to BUY land and sneak in. edit: And local Islamic leadership at the time flew to meet Hitler and asked him to kill all the jews... https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/film/hajj-amin-al-husayni-meets-hitler

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terragutti Apr 22, 2026 +3

Wow you are so…. Brainwashed. Thats some serious white washing of history there

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Inevitable-Weird-387 Apr 22, 2026

They are carrying out an offence against small villages in Lebanon, killing innocents, blowing up apartments and taking their land. Self defence is a word but the meaning does not fit the scenario

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HelloDoctorImDying Apr 21, 2026

Someone has made sure to make it so there is as little difference as possible in the credibility of the US versus Iran and Hezbollah, but who?

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PiperPeriwinkle Apr 21, 2026 +39

> Someone has made sure to make it so there is as little difference as possible in the credibility of the US versus Iran and Hezbollah, but who? lol, hmmm.... Who would benefit from Iran's reputational glow up and the US's reputational collapse? Didnt we just lift sactions on Russian oil? Didnt we just lift sanction on Iranian oil? Didnt we just lift sanction on people who purchase Russian oil? Dont Russia and Iran have some of the globes largest online bot presence.... Hmmm..... just asking questions here.

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HelloDoctorImDying Apr 21, 2026 +6

I was being facetious, going for the low-hanging jab at the Cheeto-in-chief

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PiperPeriwinkle Apr 21, 2026 +11

> I was being facetious, going for the low-hanging jab at the Cheeto-in-chief I know, but it deserved a better exploration. This doesnt start not stop with the f****** fascist rapist.

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terragutti Apr 22, 2026 +1

Wow actual people who hate trump and iran. This is crazy.

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RIPK2so Apr 21, 2026 -18

Nah Israel has done so much evil that people hate them justifiability. Nobody is defending Iran or anyone else

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Sans-valeur Apr 22, 2026 +5

Tankies have always been Tankies. Some people *really* struggle with letting go of binary thinking.

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VoteYourOssoff Apr 21, 2026 +1

Where? Like specifically which comments?

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movealongnowpeople Apr 21, 2026 -10

You won't get an answer from OP because they're talking out their ass. Progressives are simultaneously pro-Israel, pro-Palestine, pro-Hamas, pro-whateverfitstheirnarrative. Feels like 2010 again.

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Beneficial_Soup3699 Apr 21, 2026

Almost like they're not the monolothic boogeyman shaped entity the right makes them out to be. Is that nuance in my emotionally charged rage bait? Ew 🤢

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tavo791 Apr 21, 2026 -1

Are they sniping kids in the head trying to go to school?

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defroach84 Apr 21, 2026 +2

People falling for accounts sowing discord and blaming whole parties on them. Interesting take.

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Hodgi22 Apr 22, 2026 +1

One group is a pariah, the other is just trying to get by

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domelition Apr 21, 2026 -9

There's only so much children mulching a peopel can take before they begin to question the ones mulching children

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advance512 Apr 22, 2026 +1

They make bread out of their blood, I have heard

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NegevThunderstorm Apr 21, 2026 +43

Terrorists will never follow the rules, take out hezbollah for good

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christhewelder75 Apr 22, 2026 +36

The idf has killed more innocent civilians than hezbollah and hamas combined. How about we take out all 3 terrorist organizations?

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Space_Bungalow Apr 22, 2026 +18

What do you think will happen to Israel if the IDF magically disappears tomorrow? That Hezbollah and Hamas will say “hey they’re gone, we can chill now”? In fact you can see very clearly what will happen when IDF isn’t present, it was proven in October 7th

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Dark_World_Blues Apr 22, 2026 +8

If that happens, they will probably try to wipe out every Israeli, including children.

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misterkalazar Apr 22, 2026 +2

I'm reminded of the "Oh you just started from *this* season?" joke told at a standup comedy.

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BlueBod50 Apr 22, 2026 +1

Yes. Hezbollah didn’t exist until Israel invaded Lebanon. What you’re describing is what Israel will do if these resistance groups are disarmed. “It was proven October 7th” the IDF still existed October 7th, and they had advance knowledge an attack was coming. Most intelligent terrorist shill 🙄

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Arupaca_boy Apr 22, 2026 +3

How do you calculate the amounts if exept for hesbollah (with a very limited one where only the important people are involved) there is no death toll?

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chedder Apr 21, 2026 -22

Which is why Israel violated the ceasefire just 24 minutes into it's official start time. There has been over 200 recorded Israeli violations of the ceasefire since it started. Terrorists really don't follow rules.

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Ok_Career_3681 Apr 22, 2026 -4

You spelled IDF wrong.

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Comfortable_Cash_140 Apr 22, 2026 +18

'How could Israel make us do this. So evil!' Hezballah supporters probably.

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Jorgen_G_Pakieto Apr 21, 2026 +85

Funny how a long and well documented timeline of scandals and straight up lies from the IDF creates an atmosphere where it’s very hard to believe the claims they themselves make.

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SeanFlynnomPenh Apr 21, 2026 +81

Funny how a long and well documented timeline of ~~scandals~~ literally being terrorists recognized as such by the entire world creates an atmosphere where it’s very easy to believe Hezbollah did these things

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Epyr Apr 21, 2026 +115

You have to be living under a rock to think Hezbollah wouldn't do this. They've literally done it consistently for years at this point and there's video proof from Israel of the rockets going into Israel

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SeanFlynnomPenh Apr 21, 2026 +3

You’d have to be living under a rock, or captured by the black and white “Israel bad everything else good” logic of Islamists who want to use you as a useful idiot in their PR war against Israel

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Beneficial_Soup3699 Apr 21, 2026 +18

Irony is f****** dead lmao

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Goosepond01 Apr 21, 2026 +35

Lets be real. Do I trust Israel to tell the truth? No absolutely not. Do I trust Hezbollah to tell the truth? No absolutely not. I think it's about as plausible that Hezbollah did do this or that Israel are just making it up as justification for something

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Feisty_System_4751 Apr 21, 2026 +11

>Israel are just making it up as justification for something A justification to sabotage the Iranian ceasefire that ends tomorrow, perhaps?

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Slow-Seaweed-5232 Apr 21, 2026 +10

Why sabotage when it’s over lol that makes no sense strategically. You can hate them but they’re not idiots everything they’ve done has mostly made sense in their short term interests

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Feisty_System_4751 Apr 21, 2026 +7

Bibi does that every time a ceasefire is declared. Because If Iran counter attacks the USA may end the ceasefire. Israel is very open about their desire for escalation into full out war.

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mewalkyne Apr 21, 2026 +4

The ceasefire never even started. There was only ever at most an agreement in principle but it was violated instantly.

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tyler10water Apr 21, 2026 +1

What a world we live in, huh?

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advance512 Apr 22, 2026 +9

Could you share this well documented timeline please? In such big events, how often do they lie? 80%? 70% of the time?

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meeni131 Apr 22, 2026 +4

That's horseshit. The IDF has generally been the first to admit mistakes and take responsibility if they screwed up. You know who lies and covers it up? France. Macron still hasn't admitted to the Red Wedding in Mali, where they bombed and killed a dozen people at a wedding.

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Jorgen_G_Pakieto Apr 22, 2026 +2

Why don’t you tell that to the countless amount of dead Palestinians in Gaza Or the inhumane levels of prison treatment for captured Palestinian civilians Or to the Palestinians getting their homes taken in the West Bank

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meeni131 Apr 22, 2026 +4

Which part of that is a lie and untrustworthy? There's easy solutions: 1. Don't be a terrorist

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par-a-dox-i-cal Apr 21, 2026 +49

According to?

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par-a-dox-i-cal Apr 21, 2026 +11

Ceasefire doesn't mean that IDF halts operations on the ground they control, they need to clear hezbollah infrastructures. Ceasefire is for north of Litani river.

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lebrmd Apr 21, 2026 -17

Not true. Read the terms

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Fit-Magazine-6669 Apr 21, 2026 +44

the terms were as far i recall, Hezbollah leave the south of Lebanon and later it gets disarmed. non of that is even remotely close to being enforced. so what terms and agreements are still stand there? Hezbollah will keep this conflict going for as long as they alive. just look how they panicked and threated the Lebanese PM for considering direct talks with Israel. this event alone tells you all you need to know.

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epistemological Apr 21, 2026 +36

I mean if we are concerned about terms of an agreement I believe Hezbollah was supposed to be moved north of the river 20 years ago. Not sure why you are so caught up on Israel vs Lebanon following the terms of the UN passed resolution.

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lebrmd Apr 21, 2026 -6

Israel repeatedly broke the resolution since 2006. It’s on the UN website.

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epistemological Apr 21, 2026 +33

Sure if you think surveillance flights to ensure compliance is a huge issue. Personally I’d take flights over head vs 10000s of rockets fired at civilians.

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Dark_World_Blues Apr 22, 2026 +2

There are no such thing as "truce" in Hezbo's dictionary.

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bateen618 Apr 22, 2026 +3

WHAT??? The terrorist group who has broken ceasefire has done it AGAIN?? Who could've seen it coming???

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virgil_of_the_brooks Apr 21, 2026 -25

Israel, led by warmongering fascist bibi, has lost all trust in the world stage. No more money to Israel! They can fend for themselves

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par-a-dox-i-cal Apr 21, 2026 -6

Okay, whatever you say, now drink your milk and go to bed.

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virgil_of_the_brooks Apr 21, 2026 -17

Okay, and you can drink your koolaid which makes the actions of Israel justified. Give me a break, educate yourself on the recent conflicts (of which, Israel has been the aggressor every single time-undisputed) and learn critical thinking skills. You wanna support fascism, then go right ahead and move to Gaza. We will see if you support Israel as steadily then as you do now.

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par-a-dox-i-cal Apr 21, 2026 +15

>of which, Israel has been the aggressor every single time-undisputed) Sure...

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Enoch-Of-Nod Apr 21, 2026 -27

Times of Israel says Israel not at fault. Hmm.

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Relative_Cricket8532 Apr 21, 2026 -12

Trump TACOs and extends ceasefire, Israel immediately tries to blow it up

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Ultra_Metal Apr 21, 2026 +28

Hezbollah started this round, just like last time.

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honjuden Apr 21, 2026 -18

Must have mistaken the ceasefire for a Gaza daycare.

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Feisty_System_4751 Apr 21, 2026 -11

This, 100%. You nailed it.

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Elendils_Bear Apr 21, 2026 -47

This was going to happen whether they did or did not. Israel can't not be at war.

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Tiaan Apr 21, 2026 +49

You mean Hezbollah can't not be at war, right? Israel has made peace with Egypt, Jordan, UAE and Bahrain. Seems like a weird thing to do for a country that "can't not be at war." It has also attempted to make peace numerous times with Lebanon, but Hezbollah always prevents that from happening with this justification: "The Lebanese government is too weak to repel the Israeli occupiers in Palestine. That's why they are instead seeking to make peace with the Israelis as, otherwise they'd be attacking Israel like we do. That's why Lebanon needs us to keep attacking Israel as a show of strength." It seems fairly cut and dry tbh

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Ultra_Metal Apr 21, 2026 +22

Israel signed peace treaties with many countries it was at war with. Israel clearly wants peace.

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Feisty_System_4751 Apr 21, 2026 -24

Yeah, right. 24h before the ceasefire deadline. Who still believes Israel?

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IDF says Hezbollah breached truce, launching rockets at troops, drone at Israel

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