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Warlizard Aug 20, 2015 +3310

Hiya Marty. You poor b******. Real quick, can you make a list of unrealistic goals that we can hold you to in six months? I'll start: 1. Sublistnook Tags -- I'd love to be able to sort and filter by tags, so that when football rolls around, I can completely clean my feed of anything "FOOTBALL" related. 2. Friends -- There's no way that I can discover new content my friends value except when they comment, and if they aren't especially prolific. I'd like to see a list of things that my friends enjoyed (perhaps by their upvotes) as well as places they commented. 3. Personal Tags -- While I already RES-tag certain people with "Fuckwit -- Argues for the sake of Arguing" and so on, I'd like to be able to see comments that are considered "Funny", or "Clever", or "Informative", and so on. 4. Please let us tag stories with "Misinformation" and "Deceptive Clickbait Bullshit", then you guys (in the background) increase the amount of upvotes the serving domains require before the story gets front-paged. For example, if Gawker gets the reputation for serving up inaccurate bullshit, maybe they need 10 upvotes to equal 1. This will lower the incidence of the front page being nothing but inaccurate shit. Just a few thoughts. Welcome aboard.

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Mart2d2 Aug 20, 2015 +2465

I'm 7.8 hours into my job here, but the clearest priorities for me are: 1. Recruiting a badass and diverse engineering team 2. Reducing the number of fires our team has to fight at 3am If we push hard on these 2 goals as fast as possible, that'll set us up to build all these *awesome* other things for the community. I'm a firm believer that if you nurture the team, the product will benefit. Edit: Me learn markdown good

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doug3465 Aug 20, 2015 +1035

> I'm 7.8 hours into my job here Out of curiosity, what have you done/learned in those 7.8 hours? Do you know where they keep snoo locked up yet?

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Mart2d2 Aug 21, 2015 +2977

Lunch was 4 hours of it. Eating random slices of cake I found around the office was part of it. You know, *working*.

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goatcoat Aug 21, 2015 +780

When you said you were recruiting engineers I was intimidated by the list of technologies you said you love, but now I'm feeling like I could do the job.

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Its_Called_Gravity Aug 21, 2015 +124

Listnookor u/goatcoat hired by Marty Weiner during his introduction as new CTO?!!?!

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spgreenwood Aug 21, 2015 +2392

[We don't keep Snoo locked up...](http://i.imgur.com/YBxxCFZ.jpg)

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NeilPoonHandler Aug 21, 2015 +102

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you. YOU'RE LOCKED IN HERE WITH ME!"

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this_is_not_the_cia Aug 21, 2015 +637

Snoo looks like hes made out of pure cocaine

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aradil Aug 21, 2015 +78

Someone claiming to not be the CIA sure seems to know more than they should about the purity of cocaine...

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sybau Aug 21, 2015 +73

But the Cocaine Inspection Agency ought to know a thing or two about cocaine purity, no? edit: oh, wait :(

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oysterpirate Aug 21, 2015 +288

Well that explains quite a bit

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[deleted] Aug 21, 2015 +408

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absentmindedjwc Aug 21, 2015 +39

Remember kids... When everything is a priority, nothing is a priority. And when there aren't any priorities left, it's time to go home.

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LongestUsernameAllo Aug 20, 2015 +1151

I got you marty: 1. Recruiting a badass and diverse engineering team. 69. Reducing the number of fires our team has to fight at 3am. 1337. Learning how to use [listnook markdown](https://www.listnook.com/r/listnook.com/comments/6ewgt/listnook_markdown_primer_or_how_do_you_do_all_that/c03nik6) properly.

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calicotrinket Aug 21, 2015 +44

Everyone goes through this at some stage. /u/spez couldn't markdown either in his announcement post.

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Steavee Aug 21, 2015 +218

You're new around here, so we'll cut you some slack but from now on when you reply to /u/Warlizard you are always supposed to ask if he is that guy from the gaming forums (in addition to any other salient content). That and some /u/UnidanX jokes and you'll fit right in!

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Warlizard Aug 20, 2015 +294

Well, if there's anything I can do to help, feel free to let me know. And seriously, good luck. I love this place and would love to see it become a real standard of excellence.

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[deleted] Aug 20, 2015 +259

Warlizard for listnook CEO 2k15.

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TehAwesomeFrosty Aug 20, 2015 +193

Well, he has experience running a Warlizard Gaming forum.

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PURRING_SILENCER Aug 20, 2015 +75

Is that where I've seen that name before?

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notcaffeinefree Aug 20, 2015 +82

Make #1 "Recruit a badass and diverse fire department" and then you're covered for #2.

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CaptainPedge Aug 21, 2015 +200

> Friends -- There's no way that I can discover new content my friends value except when they comment, and if they aren't especially prolific. I'd like to see a list of things that my friends enjoyed (perhaps by their upvotes) as well as places they commented. #MAKE THIS OPTIONAL

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mynewaccount5 Aug 21, 2015 +40

Yeah I don't want some creepy guy from some gaming forums to stalk me

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mikeramey1 Aug 20, 2015 +100

> Please let us tag stories with "Misinformation" and "Deceptive Clickbait Bullshit", then you guys (in the background) increase the amount of upvotes the serving domains require before the story gets front-paged. For example, if Gawker gets the reputation for serving up inaccurate bullshit, maybe they need 10 upvotes to equal 1. This will lower the incidence of the front page being nothing but inaccurate shit. Oh baby. That is hot. This is the p*** I came to see!

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[deleted] Aug 21, 2015 +7

> Friends -- There's no way that I can discover new content my friends value except when they comment, and if they aren't especially prolific. I'd like to see a list of things that my friends enjoyed (perhaps by their upvotes) as well as places they commented. Not to say that we shouldn't do this, but I recall this being how Digg power users worked. The cabal of power users all had each other friended and would, either through automation or having no life, just digg up each others' shit. The end result was that normal people couldn't get things frontpaged. They had to repost your content.

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[deleted] Aug 20, 2015 +16

No friends. I have other places on the web for that. Friends means listnook loses anonymity. I want friends on listnook the same way I want friends at the library. You can already follow users and weight their votes. Otherwise, the only way to find friends on listnook should be to ask that person for their username and to then search for it and follow.

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SolarAquarion Aug 20, 2015 +190

Aren't you ¯\\_ಠ_ಠ_/¯ from the ɳ(ຈل͜ຈ)ɲ ˙ ͜ʟ˙ forum

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Piffles Aug 20, 2015 +10

I'm with you on everything but can see how "2. Friends -- ..." can make brigading easier under the guise of "Well I'm just seeing what my friends liked/disliked!" Is this "Personal Tags" on a an individual post basis or user basis? For example, on a per-post basis - If you upvote something you can tag it as "Funny/Clever/Informative", and that option will be sort-able. Or will it be a commentator that you tend to always view as either "Funny" or "Clever", and can quickly find their posts that way? If it's the second option, I think your friends idea has that covered in a way.

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RedAero Aug 20, 2015 +7

>Please let us tag stories with "Misinformation" and "Deceptive Clickbait Bullshit", then you guys (in the background) increase the amount of upvotes the serving domains require before the story gets front-paged. For example, if Gawker gets the reputation for serving up inaccurate bullshit, maybe they need 10 upvotes to equal 1. This will lower the incidence of the front page being nothing but inaccurate shit. The problem with this is that it can very easily become a tool for silencing dissent and unpopular opinions. I'm sure you had stuff like TIL and clickbait tabloid news in mind, but I foresee coordinated brigades flagging counter-cultural websites as "misinformation". As an example, I wouldn't be too surprised to see debunkings of certain oft-repeated feminist myths being flagged, or to be honest, neither would the converse surprise me. The fewer tools the average mouth-breathing ideologue has at their disposal, the better. Remember, you're handing tools to the very same people who upvote the content in the first place. That solves nothing. At a certain point one has to acknowledge that a democratic system, especially the one on this site, has inexorable tendencies, in this case toward clickbait and easy-to-digest-content (images, gifs, etc.). As an improvement, I'd suggest tweaking this system by making it sublistnook-specific and handing control to moderators. If I moderate a gaming ~~forum~~ sublistnook, my users might downvote Kotaku more than, say, IGN, which should modify this weight you're suggesting automatically, which I might agree with and I might not. I should therefore have the option to fiddle with it, at least to some degree. Essentially, it'd be a sliding scale domain ban. An easy way to implement this would be to give AutoModerator super-downvote powers, so for example it could be set to downvote submissions from a certain domain once for every 10 upvotes the submission gets.

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Shappie Aug 21, 2015 +9

> Friends -- There's no way that I can discover new content my friends value except when they comment, and if they aren't especially prolific. I'd like to see a list of things that my friends enjoyed (perhaps by their upvotes) as well as places they commented. I've never used the friends system but do they have to confirm you as well after you add them? Because if not, I can see this idea being used for a LOT of harassment.

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CDRE_64 Aug 20, 2015 +528

Will the approach to stopping spam and excessive self-promotion remain primarily reactive and Sisyphean despite there being low-hanging fruit approaches to preventing much of it?

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Mart2d2 Aug 20, 2015 +918

To effectively stop spam, you have to (1) protect your users (2) outscale your attacker (3) minimize the rewards/effects of an attack (4) maximize the time it takes for a spammer to learn/evolve (credit to Chris Walters at Pinterest for this strategy). If you successfully execute against this strategy, you become far less reactive and need only a small team of badass analysts. It will always be a cat-and-mouse game, but at some point you have such a big mouse that the cat can't hurt you. I don't know much about spam fighting at Listnook yet, but I'll bring much of my learnings from fighting spam at Pinterest. If it is reactive now, I hope to make it far less so.

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PlNG Aug 21, 2015 +118

Upstream checking would be a big assist - On that front, be sure to spoof as mobile, some spammers serve content to desktop users but not mobile users in order to garner upvotes while generating fewer spam reports than a traditionally full spam link. Auto-hiding self posts that have a high repetition of long tail keyword chains would tag the big "online streaming" spam problem right now. The latest Youtube viral spammer account seems to be "Video Vines", the submitters of that one have unusual posting history.

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doug3465 Aug 20, 2015 +154

And give mods more abilities to deal with them (spammers). Please.

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kallisti_gold Aug 20, 2015 +1507

Welcome. Did you listnook before now, or did you just make this account so we wouldn't find your /r/gonewild posts?

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Mart2d2 Aug 20, 2015 +1961

I've been a loooong time lurker and occasional poster. I *definitely* didn't *just* make this account to hide my /r/gonewild posts. u/kn0thing, think they bought that?

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1millionbucks Aug 20, 2015 +2903

He's too busy eating his popcorn.

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N3BULAV0ID Aug 21, 2015 +563

He will never ever ever ever ever live that comment down.

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[deleted] Aug 21, 2015 +479

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CurdledBabyGravy Aug 21, 2015 +26

What was the comment in response to?

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calicotrinket Aug 21, 2015 +8

Is it the most downvoted comment of all time now? Pretty sure the "gerraffes are dumb" has been smashed. Edit: ~~Turns out it's only 27 off /u/karmanaut's most downvoted post.~~ Edit 2: Welp, most downvoted comment of all time.

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jjjaaammm Aug 20, 2015 +2615

Have you ever tried to use the search function?

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Mart2d2 Aug 20, 2015 +2014

Yes, used it. I'd love to hear what you'd like it to be in your wildest bestest dreams.

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[deleted] Aug 21, 2015 +697

> I'd love to hear what you'd like it to be in your wildest bestest dreams. Okay... for starters how about "subbed:yes" or "sublistnook:subbed" or something, meaning: search in the freaking sublistnooks I'm subscribed to. 99% of the time, when I search for something, I'm trying to find a post again that I saw recently because I want to share it with someone else. If I saw it recently, that means I was subbed to that sublistnook (setting aside corner cases, like /r/bestof). But I might not know *which* sub. For certain topics, there's clearly only one or two subs. But for other topics, there are quite a few subs (did I see that on /r/Cprog, /r/C_programming, /r/coding, /r/ProgrammerHumor, /r/SoftwareDevelopment... ?). But, one of my subs. Not /r/randomshitidontread. I want to be able to exclude those results. I can't. Also, how about "shit that got a lot of upvotes"? Maybe something like "upvotes:500" to filter for posts that got at least that many upvotes. That post that got buried in the "sorted by new" stuff and deleted shortly thereafter probably isn't the one I'm looking for. The thing that made it to the front page, or close, probably is. Also... are we seriously sending people to the [UNIX Epoch converter website](http://www.epochconverter.com) in order to pick date ranges for filters? Seriously? Would it kill someone to find a freeware date picker/calendar widget on GitHub to swipe and use? I mean... my bank web site can use one of those... Now: let's talk lexical analysis, tokenizing and indexing. **STOP. BREAKING. WORDS. ON. PUNCTUATION.** Also, stop "stemming" words and only indexing on the broken up bits and pieces of words. I know exactly why you do that. It "normalizes" things a bit. It makes searching computationally more efficient. Blah, blah, blah. Map-reduce, Lucene, probabably freakin' ElasticSearch on the backend. Don't get me started. If I search for "dogs" (using an example from the FAQ search) and you find me a post with "dog" (no "s") in the title: **that's *not* what I searched for**. I know Google does the same shit. I'm not trying to argue that you're doing worse than others (at the moment, you are though). Efficiency improvements *in the algorithm* are to be lauded, so long as they deliver the same or acceptably equivalent results. When they start delivering *different* results, they are a defect. Your FAQ currently includes this item: > Bug: When searching for a word that includes a symbol, it will > get split into multiple words without the symbol. As a result, > there may be many extraneous search results returned. Yup. Bug. If I search for something very specific and rare because I happen to remember the exact post title, and then you tokenize and stem the damn query until it matches half the database... I get 1,000 results, and don't even look at them. I give up. Stop it. Feel free to have a "Shitty fast search" option and a "actually the thing I typed" search. I recognize that the latter will be slower. I know it uses more CPU. Do it anyway. It ain't exactly an NP-complete problem. /rant. Enjoy your stay.

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AnotherTemp Aug 21, 2015 +27

I bet you like google verbatim. That said, having worked on search as a software engineer… don't get your hopes up. There's just so little demand for literal keyword search (and so many users who can't find stuff without it) that it's really hard to justify the engineering time and hardware. I feel your pain, but we are a single-digit percentage of users.

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frankenmine Aug 21, 2015 +12

If you don't want tokenization, search for "dogs" rather than dogs. Also works on Google.

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protestor Aug 21, 2015 +733

I want it to excel where Google searches for `site:listnook.com` would have trouble to. I don't want it to merely catch up with Google, that would be useless. In particular, here's something. I would like to search by "something I've saw but I can't find right now". For example: "something that was in the first or second page of MY frontpage last week". Do you get it? This is not the same as searching in the sublistnooks that I'm subscribed to (which AFAIK listnook also can't do). Or: "something that was in the front page or /r/all in the last month". Or: "something that was in the front page of vanilla listnook in a given period". Or: be able to search in threads I've participated. This one kinda works on Google: search for something like `site:listnook.com "username * points"`. But what about search in posts I've left at least two comments? Or search in threads I've created. Or search in posts that were in my front page at most one year ago, that I've left a comment. Also, there's the issue of ordering. Google results are ordered by "magic". What about letting results to be ordered based on whether I'm subscribed on a sublistnook or not? Or how many posts I've left in that thread. Also, there are some things in listnook search that are very dumb. If I search for X, why don't it shows prominently that there is a sublistnook about X?

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wicked Aug 21, 2015 +64

Exactly what I'm missing as well. Google often helps, but it would be so much better if listnook search did what Google *can't* do. * Points (minimum/maximum) * Date of post (from/to) * Number of comments (minimum/maximum) * Did I personally upvote/downvote it or leave a comment (min/max number of comments) * Type of post * Posted by a friend?

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protestor Aug 21, 2015 +18

> Did I personally upvote/downvote it Yeah that's great! (and they already store it - there's even an option to make it public) > Posted by a friend? I'm afraid that friends are a RES thing.

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wicked Aug 21, 2015 +17

Friends is a core listnook feature, and I see that the dynamic sublistnook /r/friends has existed for at least [two years](https://www.listnook.com/wiki/friends). It's also possible to limit your search to /r/friends, which is what we wanted. Nice!

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dumbyoyo Aug 21, 2015 +8

Also not exactly search, but I use search to try to do this: * **Show all the posts I've upvoted within a certain sublistnook (sorted by most recent/customizable).** *For when I'm trying to find that one post I can't remember the name of, but I know what sublistnook it was in, possibly a while ago (making viewing all my upvotes from every sublistnook ineffective).* * **Ability to filter sublistnook posts by text/self or image/link.** *Sometimes I want to only see discussion posts, sometimes I get sick of all the talking. (Just within the sublistnook. Not searching.)* edit: I remembered another: * **Ability to exclude username search results.** *Maybe it's rare, but sometimes I'll search for a word, and I get results for posts without that word, but their username has that word.*

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Imosa1 Aug 21, 2015 +31

I like a lot of these ideas, this one in particular: >"something I've saw but I can't find right now"

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fco83 Aug 21, 2015 +7

> I would like to search by "something I've saw but I can't find right now" I never knew how much i wanted this until now. So many times ive gone back to try to find something and turned up empty.

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PMMEYourTatasGirl Aug 21, 2015 +3382

I hate the fact that I can put the exact title of a post I'm looking for into the search and it doesn't show up. I was looking for one the other day. I ended up just googling it and sure enough I had the title right, yet our internal search feature couldn't find it

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judgej2 Aug 21, 2015 +225

We ALL just Google for the posts. That's the only way that works. I try the built in search once or twice a year to see if it has improved. For the past seven years it hasn't. Seven years. SEVEN YEARS. It has been broken for that long.

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SuckItPeasants Aug 21, 2015 +12

I know nothing about this stuff, but isn't Google really good at this shit because they are super smart and have been doing it forever? I don't really expect listnook to be able to duplicate what Google has done. I also find it much easier to hit Ctrl+T and type "listnook jolly rancher story" rather than moving my cursor ALL THE WAY up to the search bar.

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Rng-Jesus Aug 21, 2015 +325

[Chrome exstenion that makes listnook search bar redirect listnook searches to google](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/listnook-search/bipajeabmgalnabpcccghpgedagjpdim?hl=en)

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PMMEYourTatasGirl Aug 21, 2015 +226

I wish they would integrate that into the "listnook is fun" app

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erktheerk Aug 21, 2015 +105

And RES tags while we're at it. /u/listnookisfun /u/steste /u/talklittle

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PMMEYourTatasGirl Aug 21, 2015 +119

SO MUCH THIS. INTEGRATE RES FEATURES INTO LISTNOOK IS FUN

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kemitche Aug 21, 2015 +190

So what you're saying is that a company that was literally *built on making the best search possible* outperforms a site's own search? Color me not-surprised.

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njloof Aug 21, 2015 +71

You can [license the Google search engine.](https://www.google.com/work/search/products/gss.html)

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BartSimpWhoTheHellRU Aug 21, 2015 +19

>Color me not-surprised. What is that? Like a.....blue?

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[deleted] Aug 21, 2015 +30

YES WHAT THE HELL?? I will copy and paste the URL of the post I just found but managed to lose on listnook, use the listnook "search" function to find the comments section, and it doesn't show up... How is this even possible? How? Soooo bad.

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triceracrops Aug 21, 2015 +63

But why would they waste time developing a better seach engine when no matter how good it is going to google and seaching "cat licks mans nipple on listnook" and google will always find it no matter how obscure. You can't compete with that.

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devlspawn Aug 21, 2015 +18

As someone who does search for a living you can always make a better search experience by using a 3rd party search product and dialing it in to a specific purpose than you get from generalized google crawl and ranking, but it's not free, it takes a lot of work and long term commitment

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chiefnoah Aug 21, 2015 +14

Here are some things I think could improve the search: 1. Wildcards. It looks like you might use Amazon Cloud Search, which already supports the '*' wildcard for text searching. I'll have to look more closely at the source, but it should be doable 2. Get phrase search working! 3. Prioritize results from subs the user is subscribed to. If you keep any statistics on what posts users visit (do you?) **use them** to improve your search function. 4. Create a form for advanced search instead of just having the user type in modifiers for the query. I'll edit if I think of any more

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[deleted] Aug 21, 2015 +63

For sublistnooks, I'd like it to be like /r/ListOfsublistnooks. For regular search, make it prettier, so you can vote on it, and so certain words trigger other words. Make it so you can search by user, sublistnook, title, or block ones you don't want to see.

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SnowmanOlaf Aug 21, 2015 +88

I'd like listnook search to return whatever google would return if you googled "site:listnook.com [keywords]". The listnook search is horrible.

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aseiden Aug 20, 2015 +419

Buy out google, rename to serchit. Problem solved.

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eastshores Aug 21, 2015 +71

Aren't they called Xylophone.. or Xyz.. or something now?

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ka-splam Aug 21, 2015 +5

"Hurr durr Apple is so great let's call urrselves after a Apple" "We can't they dun got that already" "Let's ... pineapple!" "Too obvious. pineapple... in portuguese!" "Abacaxi!" "abacabac ... what? abacb. .. . abc.xyz ?" "Perfect!"

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aladyjewel Aug 20, 2015 +58

Incidentally, there's a new search algorithm being tested in the beta program right now.

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mindscrambler26 Aug 20, 2015 +1234

Would you ever change your first initials to "I.C." and order for pizza delivery?

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dude_smell_my_finger Aug 21, 2015 +68

he did that once, probably 15-16 years ago...

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Mart2d2 Aug 21, 2015 +924

Seymour is a family name (true story)

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I_smell_awesome Aug 20, 2015 +3747

Hello marty. you are now banned from /r/noadmins

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Mart2d2 Aug 21, 2015 +3200

Would $100 change your mind?

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[deleted] Aug 21, 2015 +32

Hey Marty I have a friend in Nigeria. His favorite film is back to the future, and you share the same name as the main character, which he'd think is really cool! Anyways, believe it or not he's actually a part of Nigerian royalty! The problem is, is that in Nigeria the armed forces are incredibly corrupt and he's worried about a coup to overthrow his father. His father has amassed incredible wealth, which he needs to move into our Western banking system (for safe storage). So, for that $100 dollars, instead of giving it to /u/I_smell_awesome, how about putting it into my bank account instead? This will enable my bank to have your banks details stored on their systems, thus enable a significant transfers in millions of dollars into your account more viable for us. For more information, please reply and I'll elaborate further.

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DrAminove Aug 21, 2015 +896

Would $100 change your mind?

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MrWeiner Aug 21, 2015 +1181

I'll pay $105 if you DON'T let him in.

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Artvandelay1 Aug 21, 2015 +243

Marty's dad pops in to kill his vibe, what is this, Facebook?

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Paragade Aug 21, 2015 +121

Brother, actually. And author of the webcomic [SMBC](http://www.smbc-comics.com/)

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fishbiscuit13 Aug 21, 2015 +161

*brother (no, seriously)

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C0DASOON Aug 20, 2015 +1065

[This article](http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/08/18/listnook-picks-up-pinterests-second-employee-as-cto/) says that "the most important aspect of Weiner’s work at Pinterest may have been the strides he made as the leader of the company’s spam and abuse prevention team, known internally as the Black Ops team". As you know, listnook has a little bit of a censorship scare right now, and lots of users are worried that some opinions are quietly (and not so quietly) being censored by being incorrectly labelled as abuse. Do you, the anti-abuse Black Ops guy, have anything to say that will calm us down a bit?

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Mart2d2 Aug 20, 2015 +480

I'll address the technology end of things -- As a technology nut, I think constantly about how to supply the best tools to scale the way mods/admins observe, understand, and act on data ([OODA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OODA_loop) loops anybody?). The goal is to improve the speed/scale and accuracy of human decisions against their guiding policies -- the result being that decisions are made more consistently and fair.

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doug3465 Aug 20, 2015 +123

I've heard admins talk a lot about the infrastructure of listnook's code and how awful it is -- built in an "omg we need to get the site back up" sort of way, or just hacking existing code to make new features. Are there any plans to completely overhaul any of the infrastructure, something like modmail for example, which is just a hack of inbox messages, which is just a hack of comments, which makes it very hard to improve a really, really shitty system.

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Use_My_Body Aug 21, 2015 +29

I would highly recommend you take a look at [this response] from /u/spez, and especially at the responses my fellow Listnookors have typed up in response. This is the type of stuff that Listnook is currently being most accused of censorship for. Please note the comment karma /u/spez ~~gained~~ *lost* as a result of his stance, and how it compares to other comments made at roughly the same time. To put it bluntly, Listnook at large strongly disagrees with /u/spez on this matter, and [Listnook's own rules] are weirdly hidden and oddly worded - as if on purpose in order to 'trap' people into breaking them. If indeed you have any place in policy, especially in making sure decisions are made more consistently, I - and many others - would greatly appreciate it if you would take a look at this and... Well, do *something*. Whether you simply give us some feedback, or you outright get the affected communities unbanned, or you go through and more consistently ban even more communities... I don't honestly care at this point. I think the majority of people in these communities have moved over to Voat anyway. But what is causing uneasiness with people outside these communities, is the slippery slope that Listnook's administration appears to be sliding down. Being the brother of /u/MrWeiner gives me hope that you will look at the issue from both sides, as your brother has not really shied away from sexual topics in his comics. Even if he's not touched on more taboo subjects like this, it still seems like your family is a bit less... Conservative on these topics on average. And of course, if it helps you make a decision more quickly, it'd be *totally* hot if you and your brother double-teamed me~ ;) ^(I couldn't help but add *something* slutty to this; it's what I'm best at, after all~) [this response]: https://www.listnook.com/r/announcements/comments/3fx2au/content_policy_update/ctsuehf?context=1 [Listnook's own rules]: https://listnook.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/205704725

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PotatoTime Aug 20, 2015 +345

> Will listnook's censorship continue? "I'm just a tech guy" - Mart2d2

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karmapuhlease Aug 21, 2015 +157

To be fair, he actually is just a tech guy. Those kinds of decisions belong to /u/spez and /u/kn0thing, ultimately.

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noodhoog Aug 21, 2015 +9

Well, to be fair, he IS. As CTO he'll be overseeing all the technical side of things. He's probably not going to be making policy about acceptable content, shadowbans, user rights, etc, so I'm not sure what you'd expect him to say about that stuff.

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[deleted] Aug 20, 2015 +61

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[deleted] Aug 20, 2015 +5359

lol you said weiner

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[deleted] Aug 20, 2015 +141

Before I even opened this thread, I was 100% sure of what the top comment would be. You did not disappoint me.

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Mart2d2 Aug 20, 2015 +4417

it's still funny to me that my last name is weiner

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[deleted] Aug 20, 2015 +114

As long as you don't send pictures of your weiner to your employees like that other guy - it's all good. (Sometimes, I'm feisty Nana)

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[deleted] Aug 21, 2015 +23

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kiss-tits Aug 20, 2015 +780

Are you related to Zach Weiner from [SMBC](http://www.smbc-comics.com/) ?

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forgot_again Aug 20, 2015 +259

They are brothers. https://www.listnook.com/r/announcements/comments/3hs3v4/im_marty_weiner_the_new_listnook_cto/cua26j1

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[deleted] Aug 20, 2015 +169

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MrWeiner Aug 20, 2015 +334

Lay it on me. Whatcha want?

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MisanthropeX Aug 21, 2015 +264

Hey Zach. Remember at NYCC about 5 years ago when someone laughed at you for having an English degree? That was me. I graduated with a double major in English lit and philosophy last year. I'm sorry and I owe you a drink.

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MrWeiner Aug 21, 2015 +220

I drink one thing. WeinerJuice(tm) Cup of ice. Fill half way with amoretto. Fill remainder with cream.

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MisanthropeX Aug 21, 2015 +73

Deal. Let me know the next time you're back in NYC.

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MrWeiner Aug 21, 2015 +62

May be a while. If you can make it down to Boston for BAHFest...

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TheoHooke Aug 21, 2015 +23

>I drink one thing. WeinerJuice. Edit: The sweetest fruit doth hang lowest.

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doug3465 Aug 20, 2015 +429

Yeah, it's his brother. He was introduced to kn0thing through Zach.

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Tsuketsu Aug 20, 2015 +290

Consciously, I am fully aware that this means basically nothing. Sub-consciously, my expectations for /u/Mart2d2 just went from nothing at all whatsoever, to making the site so much better that I spend at least twice as much of my time here.

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[deleted] Aug 20, 2015 +234

> that I spend at least twice as much of my time here. You'll be limited by the fact that there are only 24 hours in a day, though.

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micromoses Aug 21, 2015 +105

He's gonna start listnooking on two devices simultaneously.

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MrWeiner Aug 20, 2015 +845

Only genetically.

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arthurconan Aug 21, 2015 +26

Except it's actually pronounced like "whiner" because the E comes before the I. I have seen so many people who are actually Wieners but want to pretend they are Weiners.

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[deleted] Aug 20, 2015 +264

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Mart2d2 Aug 20, 2015 +392

Ultimaker 2 is the bomb. Go get the Ultimaker 2 Go. A little pricier, but best print quality for home.

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theneedfull Aug 20, 2015 +409

$2500. Well F that, I guess. Maybe when it's my turn to be CEO of Listnook.

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lumpy_potato Aug 21, 2015 +9

Printrbot Simple, Several of the Prusa kits, and a few others are all sub-500. The trade off is that you have a lot more DIY at the lower price ranges, or that you get a much smaller build area. It's still very much a new technology and you will find yourself tinkering whether you like it or not. And if you really don't like tinkering, 3D printing might be a few years too young for you

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MrWeiner Aug 20, 2015 +440

The correct response was "human uterus."

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Aethien Aug 21, 2015 +90

So limited in what it can make and it takes months to print anything. Manuals for the user interface of the uterus are also severely lacking.

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PM_ME_UR_BUTTDIMPLES Aug 21, 2015 +37

But you stick your d*** in it for it to work!

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SalvyNerd Aug 20, 2015 +38

Do you think a 3D printer for the average person is worth it?

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BophadeseNuts Aug 21, 2015 +12

Shit is legit as a hobby. Really only worth it though if you can design your own stuff. [I'm currently building a windup starwars ATAT thing](http://i.imgur.com/ugKyl5A.jpg).

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[deleted] Aug 21, 2015 +84

Mr. Weiner, I hope you've enjoyed your first eight hours at Listnook. Today was apparently a good day for you, involving a four-hour lunch and cake. The rest of your days at Listnook will not be like that. You'll be accused of being a SJW shill, accused of censoring unnecessarily, accused of all kinds of things, despite likely being unassociated with them in any way. Listnook is changing a lot recently, and the website will have to adapt to keep up with it. The users, the administrators, and the site itself will have to alter themselves in some way or another, so that they can work together to create a better front page of the Internet. That all aside, there is one question I have to ask you: I was thinking about getting pizza tomorrow. What kind would you recommend?

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Mart2d2 Aug 21, 2015 +86

Thank you for this note. Very thoughtful and I think you're very correct. I do anticipate many tough days. The thought of being part of something this awesome in the world and a team this solid makes it all well worth it. BBQ chicken, hold the cilantro (nasty weed)

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killahquincy Aug 21, 2015 +317

Hey /u/Mart2d2 - what's listnook's policy on hiring felons? I'm 27, caught a felony marijuana distribution charge when I was 18 in Philly, PA (where marijuana is now decriminalized ironically), I had just started living on my own and grew a few pot plants, I sucked at it though and they died, my roommate throws a party one day and the cops are called, in they come as soon as they smell pot, they find the (dead) plants and I'm stuck as a felon. I'm in the middle of expunging my record (long process). I currently work as an IT infrastructure Engineer (man I love that title, so fancy) at an engineering firm specializing in solutions for secure environments. I've been with the company since I finished college. Its a challenging job that I absolutely love, but the east coast is wearing thin on me, it'll always be home but I wanna spread my wings a bit. Should I even bother applying? What's listnook's policy on the matter?

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lachryma Aug 21, 2015 +190

(awesome admin answer below me here. collapse my megathread for best results.) I can't speak for Listnook, but here's some tips I know from an experienced valley felon to a potential: - Google will hire you, then fire you a quarter later when their background check team "catches up," even though they have the data in hand when they extend you the offer -- even if you disclose it repeatedly. Recruiter told me multiple times it wouldn't be a big deal, then I got fired a quarter into working there. Womp. - Most places, including a couple household names at which I have worked, will talk to you about it and not care. I spoke with attorneys at Apple, for example, before joining. Facebook waved me off. It's a risk assessment. - Your conviction is undiscoverable by a third party firm after 7 years (technically, they *are* allowed depending on your salary, but companies like HireRight do not go back more than 7 years in individual contributor cases). It sounds like you're either past that or coming up on it, so stop worrying and *stop checking the box*. - If you know what you're doing, the felony won't hold you back at all. We have a talent shortage. There's a lot of mediocre people, but especially getting in pre-Series A you need to be good and hard-working. If you prove yourself as one of those, you will get a dozen recruiters hitting you up every week. General advice: - **Understand valley compensation before you get here.** Read up on ISOs, 4/1 cliffs, your tax liability, AMT, cap tables, dilution, and funding series. Learn to use CrunchBase and know valley financials. When you are negotiating with a Bay Area startup it is expected that you understand equity. If you demonstrate that you do not, you will get a nanopoint at $65 strike and they'll sell it to you as a "good deal." When I sit down with a company, based on public data and private sources I have a clear picture of what the company is worth and I know what to ask. When you start asking questions like "how deep is the cap table?" or "is Greylock going to get a board seat out of the Series B next month?" recruiters will detect that you are Enlightened and level with you, because they'll realize they're unlikely to get you cheaper than you're worth. Don't be afraid to offer to give back equity in return for more base if you are not sold on the health of the company. - Yes, this all sounds slimy and terrible. Welcome to the valley. Absolutely maintain your integrity. Respect your NDA. Don't run off to /r/apple and talk. Your integrity is the one thing you have, and people value it. Apple employs several dozen ex-government people in Global Security, and they will identify you. Once you're marked as a leaker, you will never work again. I've seen four people fail this way, with varying degrees of intent. - Don't tell off recruiters. They're hard workers too and yes, sourcing spam sucks, but they talk. If you flip out on a recruiter it *will* get around. (I've seen it happen.) Make it plain that you understand the deal, though. They'll say they're on your side and want to get you the best possible deal. That's baloney. You know it, they know it. Act accordingly and protect your self-interest. Half the valley is underpaid. - Almost nobody (except 18F and the USDS) drug tests in the Bay Area. I haven't been drug tested since 2007. If the Bay Area started drug testing, 60% of the workforce would be unemployable. I have smoked pot at more than one startup. I heard stories out of Twitter that Snoop lit everyone up when he was there. - Lastly, watch *Silicon Valley*. It is a documentary disguised as comedy. Be chill, man, come get some sun and burritos, buy a Jeep, start pulling six figures and hate your commute. Edit: Feel free to PM me if you want cat facts. I wish I knew some of what I told you when I started. Edit 2: [Andy Payne's startup equity guide will be a good starting point for people interested in the bold bullet.](http://www.payne.org/index.php/Startup_Equity_For_Employees)

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BrokenStrides Aug 21, 2015 +13

What the f*** did I just read? Series A, series B, 18F? Greylock? Is this financial stuff, or tech stuff? Or are you just f****** with people? 😂 I kept reading because what you were writing was fascinating. You should write a book.

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killahquincy Aug 21, 2015 +12

Thanks /u/lachryma I may just be sending you a PM in the future, very solid advice Edit: Grammer

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lachryma Aug 21, 2015 +9

No worries. Good luck! (I'd bet Listnook wouldn't give a shit, by the way, but they probably won't say it here.)

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youngluck Aug 21, 2015 +554

Felon, here. Hi. For what it's worth everyone at listnook has always treated me with the utmost respect and kindness. I've never once felt like 'the felon'... Ever. It's a credit to the leadership that they were willing to see past my past, and for that, most have become family. If you are smart, enthusiastic, and willing to put in sweat equity you should definitely apply. Good Luck.

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supermegaultrajeremy Aug 21, 2015 +68

In case anybody is wondering, he tried to buy 7 keys of blow from undercover officers. Presumably listnook provides this service free of charge.

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TheRedditoristo Aug 21, 2015 +16

i know little about coke specifically, or even drugs generally, but that seems like a large amount, like, question-raisingly large...

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supermegaultrajeremy Aug 21, 2015 +17

It's quite a bit. If a light user can blow maybe .5g a night and a heavy user goes through a ball (3.5g) I have to think it "averages" to a gram or so a night per user (assuming a lot more casual than heavy users). So 7kg is 7000 people-nights. It's not cartel size, but it's not nothing.

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youngluck Aug 21, 2015 +28

If curious and have time: https://m.listnook.com/r/Upvoted/comments/2rp3h5/episode_0_the_story_of_uyoungluck_dante_orpilla/

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kickme444 Aug 21, 2015 +135

Let's give credit where credit's due, /u/yishan was f****** awesome about hiring you.

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youngluck Aug 21, 2015 +106

Yessir. Credit to u/Yishan AND you for possessing the balls to let me on the bus. Changed a mans life, you did. Miss you buddy. Happy cake day.

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[deleted] Aug 21, 2015 +13

I think a pot violation on your record is essentially required from west coast tech firms.

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FatPplH8 Aug 20, 2015 +395

There's a rule that says that you can't only submit links of your own content even if you make your own sublistnook for it, yet PewDiePie has his own sublistnook and a bot that does just that. It's clearly stated that doing this is against the rules. So why is PewDiePie granted this privilege and not other users of Listnook? --- **EDIT:** Forgot to mention. I messaged moderators of Listnook about this and they said to just report it to /r/spam. People have already done this and the bot was never banned. There are many other YouTubers that do this sort of thing, as well. --- **EDIT2:** Wasn't expecting this big of a response. I'll give some specifics. http://www.dailydot.com/business/listnook-spam-rules-original-content/ https://www.listnook.com/wiki/selfpromotion And the specific sentence in question: "If you run a sublistnook that is only your own content or your own links, that's not okay and seen as linkfarming or using listnook for SEO."

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[deleted] Aug 21, 2015 +59

I'd love an answer to this because frankly the /r/games and /r/gaming mods are utter goddamn nazis when it comes to this type of c***. I mean the whole f****** POINT of Listnook is to get new content from many many sources. If you literally SPAM the sublistnook with the same shit links going HEY GUYS HEY CAN YOU SUBSCRIBE THAT WOULD REALLY HELP ME OUT GUYS IF YOU COULD LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE THAT WOULD BE GREAT then of course they'd be well within their rights to pull the content or ban the account spamming it. Posting a link when a content creator puts out a new video (and leaving it at that, to the whim of the people) is NOT a f****** offence worthy of the title "spam". One of my friends in fact, posted a video he'd made to one of the sublistnooks. The video is completely original gaming related content. It gained over 1000 upvotes and then... was f****** deleted by the mods. Because reasons. Yet apparently if you have over 50,000 subscribers then your content is fine on those subs. No issues. Utter goddamn nazis.

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chibistarship Aug 20, 2015 +76

It's entirely dependent on popularity and wealth. Popular youtuber or streamer? No problem, have fun! Well known brand? Come on in and spam as much as you like! Not very popular or well known? F*** you.

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direknight Aug 20, 2015 +116

CGPGrey does this as well (/r/cgpgrey). I wasn't aware there was a rule against it.

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FatPplH8 Aug 20, 2015 +48

It's in reference to this rule: http://www.dailydot.com/business/listnook-spam-rules-original-content/ https://www.listnook.com/wiki/selfpromotion

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direknight Aug 20, 2015 +126

>If you run a sublistnook that is only your own content or your own links, that's not okay and seen as linkfarming or using listnook for SEO. Even in your own sublistnook, just submitting links to your own site/stuff can get you banned. Yup. Looks like that rule is just arbitrarily enforced, just like everything else on listnook. What a bunch of c***.

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WyMANderly Aug 20, 2015 +271

Maybe a better question is: Why is this a rule in the first place?

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HeyCarpy Aug 21, 2015 +163

Is it ok if I call you Weens? That grocery list app, is there a way to make it like, cloud based or something, where when I type something on it, it will update on my wife's phone as well? It would stop a lot of fights in my house. Thanks, Weens.

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Deimorz Aug 21, 2015 +39

My wife and I use OurGroceries, it does that: https://www.ourgroceries.com/overview

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UristKerman Aug 21, 2015 +12

[Wunderlist](https://www.wunderlist.com/)! Wunderlist works extremely well for that. Plus it has a Chrome app.

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Subduction Aug 20, 2015 +415

Welcome. How is it that a top 100 web property throws multiple over capacity errors every single day? What's different about listnook's infrastructure that makes it so unreliable against its peers? Has it just been a lack of spending on capacity?

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RedSpikeyThing Aug 21, 2015 +171

IIRC the front page of listnook for logged in users is outrageously complicated to calculate and is effectively different for everyone. Indexing is harder than, say, an email client because there isn't a single field to index on. Also the websites ahead of Listnook in the top 100 (ie top 30) are almost all owned by Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, or Facebook. Which have orders of magnitude more computing power than Listnook.

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1millionbucks Aug 20, 2015 +204

Probably because listnook makes no money.

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StezzerLolz Aug 20, 2015 +49

Hello, Marty. I'd like to ask a couple of questions: Firstly, do you have any previous experience with Listnook use, and with the various Listnook communities? Basically, is this your first account, or just your official admin one? Secondly, as the new CTO, what areas of development are you planning to focus on? How much is your focus going to be on new features, fixing old ones, focussing on mod tools, or improving the Listnook API, etc? Finally, why are you building R2D2 when clearly, as an admin, you now work for the Empire? :P Anyway, good luck. Nothing you do will ever satisfy everyone, and every decision you make will enrage large parts of your userbase. Welcome to Listnook.

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spez Aug 20, 2015 +668

When I first arrived back at Listnook, one of the first things I learned is that we were in desperate need for more technical leadership, and the first person we reached out to was Marty. He has the perfect combination of qualities we want in a CTO: [He has impressive technical chops](http://www.infoq.com/presentations/Pinterest); experience growing a team through many phases (taking Pinterest from 2 to 300 engineers); very thoughtful opinions on company culture (but don’t ask him about them unless you’ve got some time); and a long history on Listnook (he may replace his brother [Zach](https://www.listnook.com/u/mrweiner) as the most significant Weiner).

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sh4rkbait Aug 20, 2015 +353

Would you say the fact that his name is Weiner had the most or the absolute most influence in you choosing him?

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spez Aug 20, 2015 +505

I wouldn't not say that.

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TenuredOracle Aug 20, 2015 +24

I love how you chose not to admin that post.

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[deleted] Aug 20, 2015 +111

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a1n2o3n Aug 21, 2015 +23

[ ¯\ _(ツ) _/¯](http://i.imgur.com/bv7W2x3.gif)

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Pandoras_Fox Aug 20, 2015 +69

I'm pretty sure that /u/DoubleDickDude already has the most significant Weiner on listnook.

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[deleted] Aug 21, 2015 +17

You mean on the planet. He's had action with both dicks at the same time. Dude. Just... just think about that. You will never no matter how hard you try, be as good at having two dicks as that guy is. ...I think I might go kill myself. Life's just not worth living when you have to try and live up to those standards.

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doug3465 Aug 20, 2015 +74

Perhaps there's room for two significant Weiners -- paging /u/DoubleDickDude.

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MrWeiner Aug 21, 2015 +356

[I...](http://i.imgur.com/GnQ4S4g.png)

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G19Gen3 Aug 21, 2015 +95

I realize that you draw the comic but there's something about you making ad-hoc drawings and commenting that throws me. It's like being at party with friends and Tom Hanks just wanders in like it's no big deal.

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[deleted] Aug 21, 2015 +181

You'll always be the biggest Weiner to me.

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ChokingVictim Aug 21, 2015 +15

God, I've been searching this thread for a post like this from you. Glad I found what I was looking for. Now kiss me.

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phractal Aug 20, 2015 +42

How well defined are the different positions (CEO, COO, CTO etc.) at Listnook? Do you all just sort of work together as a team or are you really separate, with resources/projects you try to develop?

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Mart2d2 Aug 21, 2015 +6179

BTW, I just wanted to let you know that I became CTO purely for the comment karma. And what's this I hear about not getting karma for self posts?

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kerovon Aug 21, 2015 +1153

You should have made it a link post to a picture of a kitten, and then posted the actual contents as a top level comment. Double the karma.

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smarvin6689 Aug 21, 2015 +32

Or put the announcement on said kitten, and crosspost to r/adviceanimals.

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kerovon Aug 21, 2015 +66

That would require going to adviceanimals. I'd be willing to do a lot of things for karma, but that is pushing it.

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rhllor Aug 21, 2015 +12

You can just start to post something in say, /r/Astronomy, and change the sublistnook to AdviceAnimals before submission.

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Am3n Aug 21, 2015 +2522

First change as CTO, all self posts in /r/announcements give link karma

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[deleted] Aug 21, 2015 +807

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[deleted] Aug 21, 2015 +13

I don't get the logic: - post link to someone else ~~comment~~ content: you get karma from their work - create your own OC: no credit Self posts with karma would encourage OC, surely?

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whizzer0 Aug 21, 2015 +6

All posts should have toggleable karma. Sublistnook mods would be able to control or restrict this for certain situations. This would solve the problem of allowing text submissions to get karma, as well as restricting karma for things such as single images (that are forced into self posts by many subs) or links you just don't want to be rewarded for (such as the news of someone's death).

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muntoo Aug 21, 2015 +106

No, comments give comment karma. Self posts should give self karma.

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[deleted] Aug 21, 2015 +42

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ShaneH7646 Aug 21, 2015 +268

Post a picture of a cat on /r/aww and then wait

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ZombieFerdinand Aug 21, 2015 +553

One of my very first submissions to Listnook was an oc picture of my cat to /r/aww. I thought it was pretty good! It got like 7 upvotes and I never submitted anything again.

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[deleted] Aug 21, 2015 +256

[I think he's cool.](http://imgur.com/Q6byOVF) Everybody let's shower /u/ZombieFerdinand with upvotes for his cool cat photo!

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Ju1cY_0n3 Aug 21, 2015 +34

It's archived :( Post it again /u/ZombieFerdinand

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ChefBoyAreWeFucked Aug 21, 2015 +191

Your last name is Weiner, and you chose ***that*** as your introduction photo? It practically photoshops a p**** into itself.

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[deleted] Aug 21, 2015 +103

How did you become the new CTO? Are you concerned Tyrell Wellick is going to sleep with your wife and blackmail you so he gets the job?

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omlech Aug 21, 2015 +39

I came in here looking for a Mr. Robot reference. Best show of 2015, hands down.

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shiruken Aug 20, 2015 +337

Who was the previous CTO (was there one)?

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[deleted] Aug 20, 2015 +601

[removed]

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Primeribsteak Aug 21, 2015 +25

It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times?!

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agareo Aug 20, 2015 +77

That last name... If things go wrong he's gonna have one hell of a time

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