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News & Current Events Apr 16, 2026 at 1:33 PM

Indiana city ends Flock Safety deal after backlash over license plate cameras

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Indiana city ends Flock Safety deal after backlash over license plate cameras
The Herald-Times
Indiana city ends Flock Safety deal after backlash over license plate cameras
“We take civil liberties seriously. We take public safety seriously. Those are shared obligations of good government,” Mayor Kerry Thomson said.

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I_am_the_BEEF 3 days ago +1156
Good! Don’t forget that ALL Flock cameras have at least 2 pounds of copper and 3 grams of gold!
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Lettuce_bee_free_end 3 days ago +323
Oh man, is there really 3 grams of gold? That is 3/28 of an ounce. At 6k per gold ounce that is $215 per gram. Or $650 per camera.
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Chaos-Cortex 2 days ago +216
Go to Texas, flock is on every street, highway, corner , neighborhood, you can be as rich as the orange felon 🙂
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I_am_the_BEEF 2 days ago +75
You need more tweakers!
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Chaos-Cortex 2 days ago +52
Call Houston.
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I_am_the_BEEF 2 days ago +37
We always have a surplus in Florida. Maybe we can implement some sort of tweaker exchange program?
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Chaos-Cortex 2 days ago +17
crackhead emporium & crackhead activities LLC. Is on the case.
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Coulrophiliac444 2 days ago +2
Just have Tx send the planes that they used to start sending random migrants to FL before they decided to empower ICE to shoot, deyain, and r*** everyone they wanted to.
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MACHOmanJITSU 2 days ago +4
Meth militia activate!
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Lettuce_bee_free_end 2 days ago +4
At that price i assume battery based gps
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Consistent-Throat130 2 days ago +9
Yeah it's practically a cell phone inside.  Like they run Android and everything.  Thankfully the cases open up pretty easily with, if I recall correctly, a commonly available security torx.  Then you unplug the big chunky lithium pack and you're good to go.  Presumably order of operations there is: 1. Snatch camera 2. Move to a location out of sight of the road 3. Seperate the power supply 4. Then, and only then, do you take it to any location that could be tied to you. 
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MesqTex 22 hr ago +2
I’ve got 8, installed by my city, in my work parking lot.
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Uselesserinformation 3 days ago +30
Is this technically algebra? Im asking because I suck at math
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BurningVShadow 2 days ago +18
Division and multiplication.
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Uselesserinformation 2 days ago +13
Sum bish. Thank you
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6ed02cc79d 2 days ago +2
Good times.
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Uselesserinformation 2 days ago +1
It's okay that im bad at math. At least im pursuing improving myself by improving at *that*. Instead of making snide comments, have a good rest of your night.
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6ed02cc79d 2 days ago +4
I think we misunderstood each other's comments. You said "Sum bish" which I assumed you meant to be a pun ("sum" being a math term), so I responded in kind with another math term. No offense intended!
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Uselesserinformation 2 days ago +2
Oh god no, I wish I was that good with math to even make jokes. But nah, I'm terrible, and it's okay for now
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6ed02cc79d 2 days ago +4
Math isn't everyone's cup of tea, but I'm always glad to hear when someone is working to learn more. Cheers, friend!
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Dodgson_here 2 days ago +3
Gold is currently $153 per gram. Gold is measured in Troy ounces which are a little heavier. There’s 31 grams in a Troy ounce.
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Lettuce_bee_free_end 2 days ago +1
Ok. I wildly assume it was higher. Still a good amount if you can collect it from the components 
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droans 2 days ago -7
It's also very easy to get to - just gotta rip the camera down and it'll pop right out of it! ^(There isn't any substantial amount of gold or copper in them - they're just cameras)
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KingRBPII 3 days ago +20
That’s a lot of gold
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Notten 3 days ago +117
I heard that have a little stash of high grade meth also. It's for the cops to plant on anyone they want to arrest but can't find a real reason. Junkies should never ever steal it.
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Mantaeus 3 days ago +81
Not all of them have it, it's like a treasure hunt. You gotta keep cracking them open, don't give up after one empty one if you don't find any right away.
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Maleficent-Clue5056 2 days ago +10
you have to but all the wires too cause sometimes they put rocks up in the rubber
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IvoShandor 3 days ago +30
And for those who are not precious metal or Amphetamine connoisseurs, they're also made of chocolate.
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-Stackdaddy- 3 days ago +18
You must crack the outer shell to get to the succulent camera flesh on the inside.
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axonxorz 3 days ago +39
If you have two hours or so, and you care about mass surveillance (you should) and/or tech fuckery, Benn Jordan has some excellent videos that should terrify you. [We Hacked Flock Safety Cameras in Under 30 Seconds](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB0gr7Fh6lY) [Breaking the Creepy AI in Police Cameras](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp9MwZkHiMQ) Most relevant to my comment: [This Flock Camera Leak is like Netflix for Stalkers](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU1-uiUlHTo&t=132s)
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Paizzu 2 days ago +21
He recently posted a [followup short](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YwVBsFD7v84) documenting evidence of a Flock executive caught using Flock's service to watch internal camera footage of a children's gymnastics facility.
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axonxorz 2 days ago +4
I appreciate that, into the pasta it goes!
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Weaver270 3 days ago +7
Or each has a chance for a golden ticket...
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formyburn101010 2 days ago +3
I love how I see this stat every time I see flock mentioned
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I_am_the_BEEF 2 days ago +12
That’s because it’s true. And will remain true until they’re all gone .
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ModernUnicorn 2 days ago +6
This is why I love the internet lol. Y’all are my tribe 🤣😭
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I_am_the_BEEF 2 days ago +6
Who else is going to dismantle the system from billionaire tyrants?
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[deleted] 3 days ago +2
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R_V_Z 2 days ago +2
Just watch out for the camera that watches the camera. And the camera that watches the camera that watches the camera...
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BeachJustic3 2 days ago +1
Don't forget all the silver too!
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kinisonkhan 2 days ago -20
You know what copper theft does? It kills your internet for 24-72 hours. EDIT: No really, you are encouraging theft.
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uzlonewolf 2 days ago +8
Yes, that's the point.
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kinisonkhan 2 days ago -9
Where I live (/r/kentwa), last year we were averaging maybe 2 outages a month due to copper thieves. So yeah, please please please, for the sake and sanity for those that Work From Home, don't encourage copper thieves!
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Cultural_Meeting_240 3 days ago +54
give it six months, they will rebrand and try again.
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PEWDS_IS_A_NAZI 2 days ago +26
The 'against's have to win every single time while the 'for's only have to win once
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JustLookingForMayhem 2 days ago +7
Reminds me of those stupid football bleachers. The local high school tried for four years to get funding for a football "stadium." They just kept running it on the ballot and eventually had a single issue special ballot that got voted on in July. It passed and the tax got added. Now it iphas been a few years, and the school is complaining about a lack of money. The bleachers were built, but there were no measures to actually support their care, and people in general see the school trying for money and vote against the levy. So now there are fewer teachers, no art program, and the money for a new HVAC system was instead used for "stadium" maintenance.
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redditproha 2 days ago +8
They branded as Flock "Safety" from the start knowing full well articles would be forced to add the word "safety" to titles instead of "surveillance", which is what they are.
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Dauvis 2 days ago +6
No, my money's on the state legislature passing a law to require them to be brought back. Forcing policy on urban areas has pretty much been par for the course in Indiana under Braun.
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BagOfFerrets34 3 days ago +318
Good. Once this tech is in, it rarely comes back out, so stopping it early matters. Next step: require any future surveillance contracts to be publicly posted and debated before a single bolt goes in.
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Pinklady777 2 days ago +34
They installed them in my town without consulting the public. There was big outcry and it went to a vote and they removed them.
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Sweetwill62 3 days ago +72
I'd say that if they want to be installed, then everyone who voted "Yes" to have them installed should have to publicly disclose their license plate number and allow anybody in the entire world to access the system and find out where they are at all times.
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Introvertedecstasy 2 days ago +2
It’s already in, and this is an instance of it coming out during a renewal period. Read the article not just the headline.
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Wayelder 3 days ago +107
Gee what do you know, a populace doesn't like being spied upon.
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starrpamph 2 days ago +27
*rich people gasp*
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retrofitme 3 days ago +133
Good, this should never have happened in the first place. Now hopefully other cities will do the same.
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Kaexii 2 days ago +7
Many have.  Eyesoffeugene.org
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SnooMemesjellies1522 3 days ago +20
Is it called "Flock" because they want to herd us like sheep?
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kineticdeck 2 days ago +4
Yes to protect you from the big bad wolves
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snollygoster1 3 days ago +18
Great to hear it, now if the rest of the state and hopefully country could follow suit that would be awesome. Spying on citizens is not what any government should be doing as the purpose of a government is to serve their people.
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KimJongFunk 3 days ago +107
Good. Absolutely no one wants to be tracked by these Flock cameras and they are an invasion of privacy. More cities need to get rid of them.
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CrotalusHorridus 3 days ago +29
yoU sHouLdnT cArE iF yOu DonT hAvE anYtHinG tO hIDE!!!
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I_am_the_BEEF 2 days ago +20
I still hear this from people older than I am (41) on a semi-frequent basis. They are big fans of the taste of boot heels.
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Monteze 2 days ago +15
They also dont' really believe it, if you showed up and started looking in their windows or generally stalking them they'd b**** and moan. Suddenly they understand privacy for the sake of privacy is good, its axiomatic honestly.
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Interesting-Music439 2 days ago +1
I prefer chaotic good tbh
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asimplepencil 2 days ago +17
There's a new way to combat it now "You shouldn't care if you don't have anything to hide" "Correct" "So what's the problem?" "Your definition of something worth hiding."
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JustLookingForMayhem 2 days ago +3
Should always ask about legal hobbies that are frowned upon, too. A lot of those idiots don't consider the fact that their dog breeding, drive way auto repair, or other legal activities is frowned upon by society.
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mallclerks 2 days ago +5
I met with my mayor and chief of police about them. I legitimately got met with the “good people have nothing to hide” No shit. That’s the entire point. I don’t want to be spied on 24/7 with my movements tracked, just for someone bad to leak all the data. Like had happened.
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Moonlitlineage 3 days ago +50
Finally, some good f****** news for my state lmao
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mack_the_tanker 2 days ago +13
Don't worry any minute we will do something completely embarrassing as a state.
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Durag_Jimmy 2 days ago +6
Btown got rid of them, hopefully Naptown takes notice and follows.
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DarkDuo 3 days ago +26
We have them here in Japan called the N-system ran by the government, they’re all over the country they won’t say what they record or how they use the data though
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greeneyeraven 2 days ago +16
The problem is this is a private company and if I understand correctly anyone could pay and gen information out of it. The government has traffic cameras all over, for their use and in theory they don't sell it to whomever wants it.
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howardbrandon11 2 days ago +9
>anyone could pay and gen information out of it. Depending on how daring and tech-savvy one is, one may not [need to pay.](https://youtu.be/uB0gr7Fh6lY?si=vpoV-VK6jnOJJ6t1)
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Smile_Space 2 days ago +10
It's Bloomington, IN, so the home of IU! Good on them! If only my city had the nuts to not waste my tax dollars on city-wide surveillance.
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gravescd 1 day ago +1
IU may have fallen into disgrace, but at least the community is keeping the spirit.
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SalSimNS2 3 days ago +16
The fact that we have them all could be due to politicians having the Dunning–Kruger effect... thinking it will solve problems. All the Flocks need to be removed, as my other posts have said... no amount of contractual or legal agreements will protect YOU from misuse and mishandling of this data collection.
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SaltyShawarma 3 days ago +16
Louis Rossmann and Benn Jordan have been inspiring people across the country to take back their communities. F Flock and all these shitty corpo scum.
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RussiaOwnsAmerica 3 days ago +16
Meanwhile in the Indiana city I live in, I see more going up every day. There are two on the same stretch of road that isn't even a city street, it's a shopping district road that feeds into Walmart. There is a flock on either side of the Walmart. Land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy. (Random RATM Lyric). The interesting thing is, I noticed on one of the other Flocks that I get a really close up view of, there is what looks to be a trail camera on the box of the flock system that is getting photos at head level of anyone walking up to the camera who may be interested in testing it's durability.
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brentsg 2 days ago +7
It's also ironic that the people exclaiming about their "freedom" all the time are the same ones that think mass surveillance is a great idea.
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XaoticOrder 2 days ago +12
We have flock cameras where i live. I've made some complaints to my town board. Strangely the people against big brother and big government are very much for third party private surveillance. Very strange.
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Kaexii 2 days ago +4
You have to organize with your community. And don't stop complaining to the board. They'll come around eventually. 
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XaoticOrder 2 days ago +3
My community is fairly conservative. They follow a top down approach. Town Exec is in favor, they are in favor. Learned this from many of a town meetings. They'll only flip when it personally affects one of them.
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Kaexii 2 days ago +3
Well, don't give up hope. We were able to rile up a lot of our local libertarians because, ya know, they don't want the government or private companies spying on them or their kids.
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XaoticOrder 2 days ago +1
I haven't. i wish the libertarians in my area where actually libertarians. More like Hard right republicans cosplaying as rights protectors. It will take some time but hopefully they will flip. I tried to tell them that the footage is saved for 30 days on a private server. They didn't believe me. Even with information from reputable sites.
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kmatyler 2 days ago +12
They aren’t license plate cameras. They’re AI driven passive surveillance of populations.
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O-parker 3 days ago +20
Why to go Bloomington 👏👏
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you_are_transparent 3 days ago +7
We need this backlash in every city! What is the blueprint for making this happen? I cannot stand these cameras, and want them gone.
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Strange-Effort1305 3 days ago +7
America needs to stop selling its citizens to foreign pedophiles.
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HoightyToighty 3 days ago -13
I think your algorithm might have misfunctioned there.
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blah191 2 days ago +3
Good! F*** those insidious things. Surveillance state can get fucked. We are already surveilled more than enough.
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GGXImposter 2 days ago +8
Flock is the perfect example of how the free market needs regulations. It is illegal for the government to put chalk on the tire of your car, because it's a violation of your freedoms. It is illegal for a police officer to run a license plate or background check on someone without reasonable suspicions of a crime. It is however perfectly LEGAL for the government to pay a subscription fee to a private company who's only reason for existence is to provide the real time whereabouts of every American citizen.
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PurelyAnonymous 3 days ago +3
Article is paywalled. So regarding the data they did collect, what happens to it? Will it be destroyed/deleted? Who certifies its proper destruction? Who is going to take these cameras down? What are tax payers being charged throughout this process? It’s great the contract is ending. But a case study needs performed on the city council, and Flock agreement. In the beginning, the council was fine with privacy concerns. Due to citizens outrage, they’ve listened and stopped the agreement. But how much did this little failure cost us? And what did we gain, if anything at all? I think whoever approved this needs to step down from their position in disgrace. Or be fired. Because I have no doubt money was involved.
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Rusted_atlas 2 days ago +5
Bloomington is the only city in Indiana with the political will to do this. The rest of the state (and especially Hamilton County) are begging for flock cameras all over their neighbors house.
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random_noise 2 days ago +4
If you want to help locally or see what has been documented as far as deployment so far. https://deflock.org/
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Minimum-Dare301 2 days ago +3
F*** Flock. These things are Trojan horses pretending to protect us but really just want to capture data and help administer a technological police state.
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sourpower713 2 days ago +1
All over my little area, there is these flock cameras. I doubt it’ll ever go away now that it’s here but even if they did, they’ve gotten so much info from us already, i’m sure it doesn’t disappear
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Solkre 2 days ago +1
Tell them to Flock off.
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POFusr 2 days ago +1
I think a critical factor to point out is that license plate readers have been around for years, if not decades, it was only when they started cross referencing unnecessary shit, that they became a problem.
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uzlonewolf 2 days ago +2
No, it became a problem when the courts ruled city/state-owned cameras need a warrant to access, but buying the data from a 3rd party doesn't need any oversight at all.
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techtornado 2 days ago +2
When the LE dept. is responsible for the data, it requires a whole process of warrants, chain of custody, paperwork, etc. When they outsource the camera data without sovereignty, it’s the digital Wild West where anyone can access the data if they pay for it or are subscribed to it That is the problem we have, 4th amendment violations on top of a severely insecure platform
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SanDiegoDude 1 day ago +1
This shit is all over the place. Obligatory link to the map so you all can be shocked how your city is selling your location data to a private company too - https://deflock.org/map#map=12/33.554666/-117.228497
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WoolooOfWallStreet 1 day ago +1
Now let’s hope they keep it ended instead of trying to sneak it back in a month later
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dopeless42day 2 days ago +2
Take this with a grain of salt, but I asked a police captain about them. What he told me about how they are used isn't for general surveillance of everyone. Law enforcement can enter in a license plate number and if that plate is spotted it lets the police know where the vehicle is located. I have a good friend who was going through a divorce and her soon to be ex decided to set her house on fire. The police entered his license plate number into the system and they were able to locate him driving about 5 miles away. Needless to say, he was stopped and arrested for suspected arson. He's now doing 40 years and she is safe.  Edit, typo
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AdeptFelix 2 days ago +7
The fight of privacy vs security is a difficult one. Most people would like to live in a safer, more secure world. Most people also don't want their every action monitored, logged, and retrievable. Having constant cameras rolling on every street corner goes too far for many people. It's not that long ago that the western world was mocking the Chinese highways and social credit systems as overbearing and treading on the rights of its citizens, and now many of those western countries are sprinting towards that same path.
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DoctorTheWho 2 days ago -3
We just caught a guy in Florida who abducted a teen in a fastfood parking lot and raped her. Found his car in Flock at a nearby park camera.
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uzlonewolf 2 days ago +6
Exactly! It's why everyone should be required to wear GPS tracking collars at all times. The collars significantly reduce crime! Won't someone please think of the children?!
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DoctorTheWho 2 days ago -4
Jumping to extremes like this honestly just makes you look like an imbecile.
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uzlonewolf 2 days ago +3
Yep, when you can't challenge the argument due to it being the most likely ultimate conclusion, attack the person! With enough cameras, there is literally zero difference between them and attaching a GPS tracker to everyone.
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EloWhisperer 2 days ago
A good laser pointer can mess it up
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uzlonewolf 2 days ago +1
That's a myth, the laser pointers you're allowed to own aren't powerful enough to damage the sensor.
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