Why would they want to put their warships on soil? Are they stupid?
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Lordhartley3 days ago
+106
Its a new Russian tactic for Ukraine, everything else has failed, at least they wont sink.
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Niller13 days ago
+24
Isnt ukranian soil famously muddy?
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BorntoBomb2 days ago
+4
Holy shit Russia has built the unsinkable Navy!!!
World is so fucked now.
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ViciousAdamas3 days ago
+2
You meant they successfully turned surface ships into submarine?
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Lordhartley2 days ago
+3
Please use the Trump phrase 'floating at the bottom of the ocean' he is the expert these days.
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wrosecrans2 days ago
+2
If I was in the Russian Navy, Indian soil is exactly where I'd want to be sent.
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Ice_Milk3 days ago
+22
Yeah, they're planning to sail an aircraft carrier into the Himalayas. Mountain navy, baby.
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BaitmasterG3 days ago
+4
Surprise attack, no way the enemy will be expecting it
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-Average_Joe-3 days ago
+1
Typical Russian navy L.
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cinciNattyLight2 days ago
+1
Maybe out of range from Ukrainian attack?
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b3iAAoLZOH9Y265cujFh2 days ago
+1
I mean, it's not like Russian ships do well on water either.
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ScooterNinja2 days ago
+1
Zubr-class LCAC
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The_Oregon_Duck3 days ago
+138
So let me get this straight:
India is friends with Russia
India is enemies with China
India is enemies with Pakistan
China is friends with Pakistan
Ok So Far So Good
Russia is friends with China
Ok that’s weird, Russia supports both sides I guess?
Trumps USA is enemies with China
Trumps USA is unfriendly with India
Trumps USA ~~is a puppet of~~ is enemies with Russia
Trumps USA is friendly with Pakistan
WTF?
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BitterConstruction983 days ago
+217
Geopolitics doesn't work like class cliques
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Longjumping-Bat83473 days ago
+51
Yeah it’s not mean girls
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andyomegle3 days ago
+13
Unless your President is Trump. Then it's mean girls powered by Dementia drugs and insider trading.
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_GD5_3 days ago
+8
Not anymore
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OrangeSpaceMan53 days ago
+45
Bro thinks geopolitics is a high school love triangle
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ScaryLettuce50483 days ago
+55
You're also mistaken to think that China and Russia are like best buds, it's only circumstantial. China and Russia have bad blood and is part of what China calls the century of humiliation, from the start of the opium wars in the 1800s, to the end of WW2 in the mid 1900s. Back then, western powers including Russia, forced unequal treaties onto China, with the west also doing many horrible and unfair things to China. The century also includes the Japanese invasion of China and the horrendous warcrimes thay committed then. Russia also invaded Manchuria, and massacred the local qing inhabitants during their Eurasian expansion.
Judging from how the century of humiliation is still a term used and remembered by the Chinese, it's not hard to imagine the grudge they still hold, and how they actually feel about this situationship.
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thegreatchanate3 days ago
+22
This is true but importantly the Sino Soviet Maoist/Stalinist split should be mentioned more. Russia has also played a long game keeping China’s rise down during this period until recently.
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imminatural3 days ago
+7
> You're also mistaken to think that China and Russia are like best buds, it's only circumstantial
More importantly, Russia is on China's menu and they have zero qualms taking over a country for national security reasons, e.g. Tibet.
Why buy oil that could be cut off when you can just take instead?
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ArtPerToken3 days ago
+16
What you also don't realize is that Russia and China are also in a subtle competition with each other despite being the best of allies on the surface. Russia has a ton of natural resources that China needs, and Russia needs to ensure that China doesn't become their sole buyer of natural resources (relegating them to the status of a resource colony). Basically, Russia cannot let itself become too dependent on China as its sole customer either. Likewise, China is further developing other sources of resources in various other countries, such as in Africa (buying/building ports, mines etc).
Also, its funny because Russia needs India to act as a counterweight to China, and China uses Pakistan as a counterweight to India. If India and China somehow magically became united into one country (will never happen of course), Russia would be a threatened. Ironically I believe India is funding/using the new Taliban govt of Afghanistan as a counterweight to Pakistan.
Geopolitics is like 5D chess
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Nipun1372 days ago
+2
If India and China become one nation, US dominance pretty much ends. That event would be the single most shocking geopolitical event in modern human history. It would shake the entire world, not just Russia.
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ArtPerToken2 days ago
Not sure, India has little natural resources and not a very strong manufacturing base. China has used its authoritarian central planning to build up a solid manufacturing base and resource inputs.
It'll never happen of course, different cultures and systems. An economic bloc at most, which kinda somewhat exists with BRICS
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sofixa113 days ago
+11
India's friendship with Russia, and Russia's with China, are just mutually beneficial agreements.
In both cases, both have stuff the other needs. Be it raw materials, military tech, or money. That doesn't mean the other would, e.g. come to help if someone's under attack. (A *lot* of people seem to confuse BRICS, of which those countries are a part, to be a military or strategic alliance. It is not).
India ans Turkey are perfect examples of opportunistic, "country-first" approach. Turkey being in NATO while also buying Russian military hardware a few years back exemplifies that well.
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CryptoThroway82052 days ago
+3
India is also funding almost all their solar panels from China. There's normalization efforts at the government level so you could say the governments are neutral now, but listnook opinion 100% isn't. Geopolitics is weird.
The US was friends with India till the trade war, but a frenemy with Russia? The US is also allied with Pakistan which is an enemy of India.
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No_Look243 days ago
+6
‘Trumps USA is unfriendly with India’
Is this based on his current term? Because he was pretty friendly in his first term
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corpolad3 days ago
+17
Well it was good till he made that "stopped the war" comment last year.
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Fresh_Sock86603 days ago
+1
Wow, if there was a war engine pulling the strings it would make complete sense.
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No-Welder19213 days ago
+280
Come on guys this is not a news the relos treaty and friend ship treaty has been in effect since the cold war era. When west unfairly attacked india, soviets were the ones who saved us. This treaty has been in effect since a long time not a new thing.
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doobiedave3 days ago
+90
What event are you referring to when you say the West attacked India?
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[deleted]3 days ago
+264
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Terrible-Group-96023 days ago
+37
This time it's China supporting Pakistan
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snarky_answer3 days ago
+12
Soviets, not Russia.
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Mushi_Mushi13 days ago
+84
You know there’s a reason why India indirectly keeps on supporting Russia
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BendicantMias2 days ago
+31
There's several, of which this is only one. The US also armed India's enemy Pakistan for decades, as well as has sanctioned India itself before. There's many reasons India is wary of the US. By contrast Russia's approach to India has been much more friendly, both during the time of the USSR as well as afterwards as the Russian Federation. Russia is also a lot more agreeable about its weapons sales, being open to domestic co-production in India, whereas the US always resists it.
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No-Welder19213 days ago
+117
India was in a defensive war and West supported the aggressor. Not only warships, naval blockades by nuclear ships by both USA and British for god knows why?. Soviets Sent there nuclear ships. Check Bangladesh liberation war
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BendicantMias2 days ago
+15
The reason was cos of the Cold War. India was socialist, and also a founding member of the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM). The US always had a much more hostile attitude to NAM than the USSR. Bushs' 'you're either with us or against us' post-9/11 attitude goes back a long way.
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Late_Stage-Redditism3 days ago
-107
Unhinged Indian nationalists have a warped view of history
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Lonely_Jaguar_48793 days ago
+34
We are open to hear other views. Please share
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LikeItReallyMatters13 days ago
+62
Illiterate Listnook clown tries to teach Indians their own history
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ataturd1 day ago
+1
Whitsplaining*
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Suggondeezenutz_-_2 days ago
+9
When you call someone unhinged without specifics, you come across as a salty little bi*ch... Get some help.
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The_Compass_Keeper2 days ago
+5
Do enlighten us, I would love hear how far off we have been...
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StartingAdulthood3 days ago
+29
US supporting Pakistan is bad. But Russia being Best friends with China while China directly funded Pakistan economic and military growth is a good thing?
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Careless_Toe63443 days ago
+35
It's not.
You know that India and China aren't on friendly terms, right?
And the Russia friendship is to keep them from completely becoming dependent on China and effectively becoming their satellite state.
That's also what the US wants to prevent btw.
Russia-China friendship isn't as deep as you think it is.
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StartingAdulthood3 days ago
+2
I understand that their friendship are not a real friendship. But I would argue that Russia-China friendship is deep not because Russia wants it to be deep. But because they need China to prop up their economy after the Ukrainian war.
Either way, India doesn't have the geographical advantages to actually help Russia with their problems. China on the other hand, actually shares safe usable borders that could be used for direct trading that bypass very blockade imaginable. (Trains)
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hdhdbshshshsush3 days ago
+41
You know whats worse for India? Letting Russia get fully controlled by China because the West sanctioned them away. We're reducing our reliance on Russia while increasing trade co-operation.
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StartingAdulthood3 days ago
-13
I always thought that it would be smarter for India to cozy up to middle powers that are not part of the Chinese/US alliance. Especially with the current situation between the US and its allies.
Think about countries like Mexico, Brazil, Canada, Australia, Japan, Germany, Indonesia, Philippines, South Korea, Thailand, etc.
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BendicantMias2 days ago
+17
India DOES have cozy relations with the actual non-aligned middle powers, such as Brazil, Indonesia, Thailand, etc. You mention Canada, Australia and Germany, but those aren't unaligned nations - they're part of the US bloc. Even so India maintains cordial ties with it.
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hulksmash12342 days ago
-10
India assassinated someone on Canadian soil and got caught. Don’t think that’s very “cordial”
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BendicantMias2 days ago
+10
Perhaps. India does take separatists seriously, as any other state would. I did separate the western bloc nations from those who aren't for a reason. India has little reason to hold back if other concerns take priority. A poor relation with Canada is a small price to pay as India doesn't rate Canada as an ally or even as all that important to begin with. Canada is simply too tied up with the US.
It's worth noting that while Canada raised a stink over that, it's ally America didn't back it up much (and this isn't during Trumps' time). The whole fiasco eventually faded away, except maybe in Canada itself, as no one besides Canadians considers it important enough to adjust their geopolitical posture over.
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WolfGuptaofficial2 days ago
+4
and india wouldnt have had to if the trudeau admn had sorted out the growing terrorists in his country
CA has still failed to provide any proofs so ensure that you use the word alleged
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The_Compass_Keeper2 days ago
+2
I don't recall Canada providing any actual proof on this matter. I last checked for any updates in June 2025. Did I miss anything?
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Nipun1372 days ago
+4
Most of the countries are aligned with US and so will never act against US interests. What India wants are countries that can defy both US and China but there is only one nation on this planet that barely meets this condition - India itself.
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StartingAdulthood2 days ago
+2
It seems like you haven't watch the recent news about the US and its allies.
If Modi is smart, he would have started courting former US allies like Canada, Mexico, Germany for better business opportunity.
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Cool_Inside89942 days ago
+2
Russia has never been best friends with China. Read up on Sino Soviet split. Russia and China pretend to be buddies on the surface but secretly hate each other. Always has been so.
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StartingAdulthood2 days ago
+1
They are not best friends because they wanted to be one. They are best friends because THEY HAVE TO. But that doesn't change the fact that their relationship is working regardless. It doesn't matter if they actually wanted it or not.
The economical benefits outweigh the negative. India doesn't have this with either China or Russia.
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Deadman_Wonderland1 day ago
+1
"Read up on Sino Soviet split", maybe you should read a calendar. It's 2026 my guy. Digging up something that happened 70 yr ago and trying imply nothing has changed.
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paanikipaidaish2 days ago
+1
I've been to INS Vikramaditya, and I've seen Russian sailors on-board. Ig Russia leases them for certain expertise.
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SnoopDeBoi20 hr ago
+1
I'm from India and i've never seen anyone claim the "west" attacked India
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Rich_Housing9713 days ago
-17
It's comments like these that make you realize how much of Listnook is Indian.
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BendicantMias2 days ago
+9
Very little? There's a reason Eglin Air Force Base is a meme on Listnook. Listnook is a very western platform - especially American.
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Wonderful_Bet_15412 days ago
+6
Its comments like these you realize how ignorant Listnook is
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redredgreengreen13 days ago
+37
Still confused by the India Russia relationship, given how often Russia is acting as a satellite of China, and India and China have soldiers beating each other to death with clubs every other year.
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twitterfluechtling3 days ago
+65
> and China have soldiers beating each other to death with clubs every other year.
And China supporting Pakistani airforce in the last altercation ...
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joshrealer3 days ago
+58
It’s because they’ve had a historically great relationship. Soviet Union was allied with India when western countries were unfriendly.
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ExtremeGamingFetish3 days ago
+84
Not like anyone here knows any history that's not western centric.
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redredgreengreen12 days ago
-5
Honestly, they were friendly enough, but India was THE champion of the non-aligned movement. And Russia isn't the Soviets. Enough has changed I would have expected the dynamic to change as well by this point.
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milo_peng3 days ago
+47
Indian - Russo relationship started way back from the days of the USSR.
It is a mistake to examine it on the basis of just the recent decades
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twitterfluechtling3 days ago
+10
Agreed. That would probably be like seeing how the Trump administration treats EU/Canada/Australia and being puzzled wth those are in a defense pact with the US, buying their weapons and letting them host all their critical infrastructure...
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TheOneTrueRodd3 days ago
+9
Game Theory 101:
Your neighbors are a future threat. Their neighbors are your natural partners.
China's neighbors - India and Russia - natural partners
India's neighbors - Pakistan and China - natural partners
Pakistan's neighbors - India and Iran - natural partners
Iran's neighbors - Turkey and Pakistan - natural partners
Turkey's neighbors - Armenia and Greece - natural partners
Armenia's neighbors - Turkey and Azerbaijan - natural partners
Azerbaijan's neighbors - Russia and Iran - natural partners
That's fundamentally how relationships are formed at the state level.
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Youmassacredmyboy2 days ago
+3
Chanakya's mandala in action
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LazyAd77721 day ago
+1
how are you confused ? west has antagonized india since independence, russia/soviets supported and traded with india, india wouldnt have most of their millitary jets and navy ships without them, they supported india during bangladesh war while west supported pakistan who were killing bengalis in millions and they also regularly vote in favor of india in UNSC.
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remer_1z1013 days ago
+1
India can't lose Russia. Imagine China,Russia and Pakistan on one side
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Alib6683 days ago
+8
Ok but how is Russia gunna get ships to India….i mean it’s as close to as far as possible for Russia to get to by sea.
Now land troops ok fine….but again massive mountains or Afghanistan and china in the way….so like how would Russia be able supply and station troops in a war situation? Are they building railways through mountains???
This pack its PR at best in a real situation Russia gets supplies and troops by air only, and that is limited you can’t do heavy metal via air.
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L444ki3 days ago
+14
Thats the whole point. Having access to military ports in hard to reach places is good if you want to project power.
Without bases or port access Russia would have big trouble projecting power in the Indian ocean. Same for India in the Arctic, Pacific and Europe.
US has bases and allies all over the world for the excat same thing. For example Diego Garcia is about as far away from the US as you can get and its exactly why having access to it is so valuable for the US.
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Alib6683 days ago
It still can’t though how is it getting those supplies to India. The USA can supply its overseas bases regardless of opposition. Russia can’t as its European and Black Sea ports can be blockaded at the choke points.
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L444ki3 days ago
+9
You need to take another look at the world map. Russia has ports in the sea of Japan and they can run ships through the arctic and even though they have lost cargoplaned to Ukraine they still have good air logistics compared to most countries. I wont argue that Russia has the same naval or air logistics capacity as the US, but from a power projection standpoint the deal does make sense.
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Alib6683 days ago
+1
How does that get to India?
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L444ki3 days ago
+10
I can’t be bothered to give you a geography lesson. Just open up a map and see for yourself
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Alib6683 days ago
+1
So I’m just work this out without interdiction. Like the reason the USA and uk can have blue water navies is because the have so many access points they can’t be fully blockaded they have wide oceans Russia has narrow seas and choke points all manned by adversaries
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L444ki3 days ago
+3
No one is saying that this 100% safe or that Russia and India would always be able to access all of the ports with no issues at all, but picking a fight with two nuclear armed nations to stop them from doing so is also not an easy thing to pull off. For example Ukraine striking a Russian vessel that is moored in an Indian military base would lead into a massive political issues between Ukraine and India or if Indian vessel is damaged when they are in a Russian port, so aswell as power projection this could be used to deploy tripwire troops.
If we end up in a war where the US is going against India and Russia I would expect the US to also have a lot more trouble supplying their bases and navies globally. We can come up with endless scenarios on what could happen, who allies with who etc, but for the current situation this seems to make sense.
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BorntoBomb2 days ago
+3
If i were russia i would be trying to flank china anyway i could.
India is how you could.
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MobileWriting91653 days ago
+2
Both sides know it's little more than lip service and that there isn't ever going to be a scenario where they need to take up that option.
Also the hard limit of 3k troops lol
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Rhody97653 days ago
+1
So geopolitical
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NervousPianist223 days ago
+1
I don’t know how well warships would do on soil tbh
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baconmashwbrownsugar3 days ago
-22
indian flavored sunflower oil in addition to the current russian and north korean ones?
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MadErection3 days ago
-5
Highly regarded statement here.
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ratchetbear2 days ago
If a warship is on land, then you have a different kind of problem.
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irondethimpreza3 days ago
-10
I too want to see Indian warships on Russian soil. Maybe their carrier can cruise through the Urals
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plague0423 days ago
-19
So we're gonna see Indians on the Ukraine frontlines now?
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