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Inevitable-Row1759 Apr 22, 2026 +249

Looks like the Pandora's box has been opened after the iran war

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Distinct_Front_4336 Apr 22, 2026 +116

Indeed, this is like Denmark deciding to impose the Sound Dues: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound\_Dues](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_Dues) or Turkey renouncing the Montreux Convention: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreux\_Convention\_Regarding\_the\_Regime\_of\_the\_Straits](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreux_Convention_Regarding_the_Regime_of_the_Straits) International law was full of flaws, but one of its major accomplishments that was taken for granted was free navigation around the world.

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whatproblems Apr 22, 2026 +67

of which it was underwritten by the us navy. which we all benefitted from. dumbass is throwing so much influence away because he doesn’t understand anything

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Orangekale Apr 22, 2026 +43

One of the many problem with MAGA folks is that they don't seem to understand that a rules based world order is in the benefit of America, who is able to sell to the world and have excellent commerce and financial strength because of it; stability is a good thing. War goes down as nations try to work it out diplomatically. When that order breaks down, eventually, every nation is incentivized to play into might makes right; which means at the least, trying to extract tolls and rent and at worst, more nuclear proliferation, and guess which country they're going to start blackmailing for free things the way North Korea does?

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Ainene Apr 22, 2026 +10

\>MAGA it was certainly not just MAGA who were not ratifying UNCLOS (broke START, etc, etc) for decades. Law for thee but not for me is very much a bipartisan consensus, going back all the way to US keeping out of league of nations.

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314R8 Apr 24, 2026 +1

It's rules based, benefiting the US and enforced by the US. And now in crumbles

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unfortunatebag Apr 23, 2026 +1

Didn't Peter Zeihan write a whole book years ago predicting basically all of this?

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Boye Apr 22, 2026 +4

I just learned, that the Montreux Convention is what keeps russia from sending additional naval forces to the Black Sea.

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TyrialFrost Apr 23, 2026 +2

More like it's what stops Russia running and hiding from the Black Sea.

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wsb_crazytrader Apr 22, 2026 +13

So nice that the guy responsible for this will no longer be here to see the consequences of his actions. And we’ll still have to bear the burden. 👌

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__Yakovlev__ Apr 22, 2026 +10

There's still his kids to go after though. They're just as complicit.

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Hamster_S_Thompson Apr 22, 2026 +1

Consequences of electing a reality TV personality to the presidency

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Coolbanh Apr 23, 2026 +3

Well it started with Reagan. Electing an actor. Next they'll elect a WWE superstar or maybe even Vince McMahon?

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No_Sandwich_717 Apr 22, 2026 +34

Are they gonna bomb ships too if they dont pay?

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speedfox_uk Apr 22, 2026 +3

That's probably the plan.

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Cippledtimmy Apr 23, 2026 +2

There are already Indonesian pirates robbing ships

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Kashawinshky Apr 22, 2026 +41

I'm actually more concerned about this Strait than Hormuz.

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PM_ME_YOUR_CATS_PAWS Apr 22, 2026 +15

The amount of traffic that goes through that strait is insane

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lordofc00chie Apr 23, 2026 +5

Flying above it last night, I thought the lights of the ships were a city until I looked at the map.

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snower88 Apr 23, 2026 +11

This is almost going to cause world war. I think it’s going to force countries to retaliate or worst, take over this straits with MIGHT. Indonesia thinking is too simple , they think people gonna let them collect money like a landlord / toll collector but no. Lots of fighting and normal people blood will spill.

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karamazov_uncle Apr 23, 2026 +10

china and us will unite to f*** them up lmao

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fananism Apr 23, 2026 +3

US? the US use this weak-point to choke China bruh. also to control Japan

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DrawingDramatic1641 Apr 24, 2026 +2

Us can't choke china in there China also has deployable navy there Also china doesn't panic they may pay fees while us makes it reputation worse

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Rayl24 Apr 23, 2026 +1

Yep, to close the straits they would have to close Malaysia side as well and I'm not sure they would be happy with that.

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ryo3000 Apr 23, 2026 +1

> take over this straits with MIGHT. This is definitely easier said than done We're talking about massive military operations and lengthy occupations with boots on the ground During which, mind you, for all intents and purposes these straits are closed (being literally in a war zone) causing massive disruptions globally

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WhisperFray Apr 23, 2026 +3

Which ground? Indonesia is 60% sea

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WhisperFray Apr 23, 2026 +1

You people didn’t even realize that Indonesia and the US signed a defense cooperation about a week ago, huh 😉 https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2026/4/14/us-indonesia-sign-major-defence-cooperation-agreement

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snower88 Apr 23, 2026 +1

Sound like Indonesia is leased

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speedfox_uk Apr 22, 2026 +17

This is going to end with countries taxing other countries for passing over their airspace, isn't it?

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[deleted] Apr 22, 2026 +9

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speedfox_uk Apr 22, 2026 +7

That's a bit harder to enforce. You need space launch capability for that. Very few countries have that. To enforce an airspace tax you just need an airforce. Most countries have one of those.

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Littman-Express Apr 23, 2026 +4

They already do that.

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Rayl24 Apr 23, 2026 +3

You do pay a fee for that, gound staffs aren't free

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Mengs87 Apr 23, 2026 +3

All countries already do. Taliban collects millions from planes flying over Afghanistan.

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OriginalGoat1 Apr 23, 2026 +1

Overflight fees are already a thing.

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thewavefixation Apr 23, 2026

They already do. Airlines are paying the Taliban as we speak

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Awkward-Candle-4977 Apr 23, 2026 +7

I'm Indonesian. His plan is stupid. Didn't he know that Indonesia has agreed for other free sea routes in 1982?

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BraveChampionship782 Apr 23, 2026 +2

In before other country retaliate against Indonesia by charging extra fee for Indonesian ship.

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jonshlim Apr 23, 2026 +1

Ships mostly ply the Malaysia’s side which is deeper..

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Awkward-Candle-4977 Apr 23, 2026 +1

there arent many indonesian container ships btw

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thewavefixation Apr 22, 2026 +36

Indonesia would last about 3minutes into a naval battle with Singapore.

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purified23 Apr 22, 2026 +74

Singapore won’t be Indonesia’s problem. China will probably destroy indonesia first.

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ArenSteele Apr 22, 2026 +26

Indonesia will make a deal with China to enforce it for a cut, and Chinese ships sail free

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Rayl24 Apr 23, 2026 -3

Ships that pass through that strait is likely going towards China or from China even when not Chinese flagged

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ArenSteele Apr 23, 2026 +4

Or Japan, or Korea or a dozen other countries

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Distinct_Front_4336 Apr 22, 2026 +51

Iran's Navy was decimated by the US but they could "close" the strait by simply sending c**** drones to attack passing ships, which shot up the cost of insurance premium. The Houthis could also block shipping in the same way by using c**** drones, without the need of any navy. Singapore cannot sustain a long war against Indonesia due to attrition. It's simply not going to send its conscripts to occupy Jakarta or parts of Sumatra.

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FireTempest Apr 22, 2026 +16

Iran is an international pariah ruled by an totalitarian theocratic dictatorship. Indonesia is a free market democracy. Indonesia is more similar to the US than Iran in this case, they cannot sustain conflict for long or their populace will turn against the government.

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matrinox Apr 23, 2026 +6

And Singapore isn’t like Iran

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jonshlim Apr 23, 2026

What kind of idiots to leave Malaysia out of this, when most ships use the deeper side of the strait on Malaysia’s side, and Malacca itself is the name of a Malaysian state?

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i_dont_wanna_sign_up Apr 24, 2026 +1

I don't see how this benefits Indonesia in any way. Nobody is going to pay the tax, and they would make an enemy out of the entire world.

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ffsudjat Apr 23, 2026 +4

Indonesia will just burn forest in Sumatra and see the neighbour choked for a bit.

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mutantmagnet Apr 24, 2026 +1

Reading the article clarifies he wants to and is probably trying to get Malaysia and Singapore to share responsibilities for this extortion racket and they will split the revenue evenly 3 ways. Singapore so far is rejecting the idea.

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thewavefixation Apr 24, 2026 +1

Singapore regards Indonesia and Malaysia as kleptocracies. There is no danger of them throwing their lot in with these idiots

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FastBuffalo6 Apr 22, 2026 -9

Singapore is like the size of Rhode Island. Is their navy really way better than Indonesia who is way bigger with way more people?

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Borne2Run Apr 22, 2026 +40

Singapore is essentially the Sparta of SE Asia.

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wwabbbitt Apr 22, 2026 +15

A small non-Muslim majority country surrounded at all sides by Muslim majority countries. Hmm... sounds familiar...

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uniquely_ad Apr 22, 2026 +5

Yeah SG don’t go around destabilising the region but instead work on bilateral ties

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FederalExpressMan Apr 22, 2026 +1

Big brother China will step in before it gets out of hand

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Vegetable_Speed_2304 Apr 22, 2026 -2

Hey, guess who trained our army? And at their advice Guess which minority race and religious group for very long was mostly confined to Cannon fodder GI vocations?

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Regular_Walrus_1075 Apr 23, 2026 +3

You stupid or what, every race has been in infantry

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EinFahrrad Apr 22, 2026 +3

I think Athens would be the apt comparison in this case as per the alleged naval prowess.

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Mushroom_Jojo Apr 23, 2026 +1

Google highest military spending per soldier or per km^2.

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WhisperFray Apr 23, 2026

China and Singapore won’t do anything about it. Not if they don’t want a world war. https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2026/4/14/us-indonesia-sign-major-defence-cooperation-agreement

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thewavefixation Apr 23, 2026 +4

Lmao if you are stoopid enough to think the USA would side with Indonesia in this situation.

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WhisperFray Apr 23, 2026 +2

Not if a deal could be made.

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holypika Apr 24, 2026 +1

USA as the "american people interest", or USA as "what trump want suddenly" ? tbh trump might support this and mentioned this as "greatest trade deal ever"

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Rayl24 Apr 23, 2026 +3

Sigh, that's why you don't vote in a genocidal general.

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Ultra_Metal Apr 22, 2026 +8

Don't touch the boats. Nobody touches the boats. Touching the boats results in severe consequences.

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daedcat Apr 22, 2026 +14

Can't say the same for the kids

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GreatScottGatsby Apr 22, 2026 -1

What consequences? Who is going to stop them?

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Bombwriter17 Apr 23, 2026 +2

The navy and air force of the countries of the ships getting touched as well as the allies soft those countries. Once you do that, it's effectively a declaration of war on those countries.

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GreatScottGatsby Apr 23, 2026

How's that going for them in Iran

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JobTight8252 Apr 23, 2026 +2

Every shipping lane in the world will now be taxed. I wonder how much money would be made from taxing the English Channel or the Straights of Gilbraltar?

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Stickyboard Apr 23, 2026 +2

The funny thing is Indonesia only own half of the malacca strait while Malaysia (Malacca Strait is named after one of their historical port city - Malacca) own the other half. 80% of ships traffic is via Malaysian half due to being safer , have deeper depth and excellent port infrastructure. Indonesia will lost their 20% surely

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free_username_ Apr 23, 2026 +1

That’s one way to start a war with your neighbors

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Legal_Captain_4267 Apr 23, 2026 +1

Indonesian politicians have been known to spout idiotic statements from time to time. I don’t think they have the political will to act on it though.

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articland05_reddit Apr 23, 2026 +1

what if Indonesia decide to be punk and unilaterally charge tolls regardless what Msia and SG thinks? Not like anyone is going to war with Indo over this....

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octopus86sg Apr 23, 2026 +1

America asking their dog Indonesia to donthisp

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Tate465 Apr 24, 2026 +1

Masih wacana, masih aman. Mungkin Pak Purbaya lagi stress nyari duit buat bayar MBGnya si monokotil

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JohnDLG Apr 22, 2026 -26

It's inconvenient for the world economy for things like this to happen, but why shouldn't nations be able to control their territory.

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Impossible-Bus1 Apr 22, 2026 +23

International waters aren't their territory.

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JohnDLG Apr 22, 2026 -7

Under 12 miles from shore are territorial waters. At the narrow end of the Strait there is no international waters, it is all territorial waters split between Indonesia, Malaysia, and Singapore.

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WhisperFray Apr 23, 2026 +1

So many people here don’t know Djuanda.

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