The Danes are now quietly dusting off the Sound Toll.
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noir_lord4 days ago
+60
UK and France are looking at the English Channel/La Manche.
Not really, I'd hope our governments aren't *that* stupid.
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Nepridiprav164 days ago
+19
Canada also for Northwest Passage?
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noir_lord4 days ago
+7
Much like UK/France, I fully expect Canada to respect UNCLOS.
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EstablishmentFull7974 days ago
+15
Canada could conceivably have a legitimate claim under UNCLOS that key parts of the NW passage are Canadian internal waters, and there fore sovereign territory they could impose tolls for use of
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TongsOfDestiny4 days ago
+10
> Canada could conceivably have a legitimate claim
No, Canada's claim is legitimate.
The waters of the NW Passage are within the Canadian baseline, given that the arctic archipelago that confines the passage is all inhabited Canadian territory
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noir_lord4 days ago
+5
Oh I’m aware, I fully expect Canada won’t.
In fact I’d be positively shocked if they did, whatever revenue it generated wouldn’t offset the reputational damage or the precedent it’d set when an advanced western economy did it.
Freedom of navigation has been the rule since the British Empire would rock up with a gunboat and explain it (not that they cared about others but they wanted their trade unmolested, so in fairness did the other colonial maritime powers).
To a large extent that mantle got passed from the UK to the US.
Especially in a world where Canada is looking more beyond the US for partners.
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VanCityPhotoNewbie4 days ago
+2
From what I understood it wasn't for revenue. Rather to ban bad actors from using the passage....mostly Russia due to the Ukraine war.
At least that is what the push for claiming the passage was originally for.
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CarRamRob4 days ago
+3
It’s easy toll to set up, considering no one takes it.
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firefighter26s4 days ago
+1
Strait of Juan de Fuca would control all the traffic to Seattle and Puget Sound...
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GaytheonCheck4 days ago
+1
high hopes bud
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Natural-You43224 days ago
+151
This is old old news.
Malaysia says no.
Singapore says no.
Indonesia in the end says it is just a joke.
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Garbage_Plastic4 days ago
+36
A Prime example of AU news with lightening speed staying relevant to ever so volatile world.
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DMind_Gaming4 days ago
+17
Not only is the news old but it's also wrong, Malaysia did not suggest this idea at all but they reported that Sugiono (the one who suggested it) as Malaysian Foreign Minister when he is actually Indonesia's Foreign Minister so yeah they are not only slow to report it but also got it wrong on top of it.
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AgUnityDD2 days ago
+2
It's channel 9 - It is no more "news" than Fox is, it is a mix of propaganda and self-serving rhetoric.
Worth reporting to MediaWatch, but they are pretty busy.
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jwrx4 days ago
+55
This is BS news. Malaysia has never said anything of the sort and straight up said NO when Indonesian politician (1 fella) brought it up
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hackenclaw4 days ago
+1
if only Malaysia can sue all these tabloid into bankruptcy
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Deadman_Wonderland4 days ago
+58
I'm considering setting up a toll for the sidewalk in front of my house.
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noir_lord4 days ago
-18
It's only valid if a neighbour from streets away comes past and bricks all your windows, then you can charge the toll after you brick your immediate neighbours windows and the rest of the town will go "if that's what it takes for you to stop bricking windows".
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mclannee4 days ago
-6
They downvoted him because he spoke the truth.
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Mysterious_Meal_60254 days ago
+13
The article quoted Sugiono as Malaysian foreign minister when he is the Indonesian foreign minister. Great reporting guys.
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Polar_Beach4 days ago
+33
Zero chance China would let them do that.
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noir_lord4 days ago
+20
Yep, this was posted a week ago and I pretty much said "That's how you get the PLAN to pop by for a visit".
It likely contravenes UNCLOS so China absolutely will sail Warships back and forth to make a point, the same point made when Western Militaries do freedom of navigation transits around the Spratly's.
Likely another consequence of the middle east mess.
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analoggi_d0ggi4 days ago
+12
Lol worse this is how you'll get China, USA, and EVERYONE with a major navy on the same f****** side. The Malacca Straits is a crucial waterway for all international trade. There's no way the powers will let this slide.
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I_Push_Buttonz4 days ago
+6
> The Malacca Straits is a crucial waterway for all international trade. There's no way the powers will let this slide.
All of what you said is just as true for Hormuz and there is essentially zero pushback from China against Iran claiming it and saying they will control access to it and charge a toll forever.
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analoggi_d0ggi4 days ago
+6
Hormuz is different as its a war between a world power and a country allied to another world power. China benefits from an alliance with Iran so they really can't castigate their allies too much.
If Malaysia/Indonesia just started blocking Malacca for the lulz its going to be a scenario that benefits absolutely no one else. Its likelier that the powers will be on the same page on it.
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Salty_Pop_38884 days ago
+1
Granted the order is reversed, but you really wouldn't want to be Iran right now. If Indonesia ever tried closing the Malacca, they'll face isolation and destruction comparable to Iran. Iran can do it because there is not much else to lose, Indonesia won't because it's leaders don't want to be overthrown, by its people in a protest or an election,, by the CIA, or by good old Assassination, after completely avoidable sanctions and possibly war.
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streamofthesky4 days ago
I said the same thing about Iran closing Hormuz a year ago, and yet the entire world has just let them do it. No longer as certain that any countries would step in if they did this, either.
I personally think if Iran does toll Hormuz, then Malacca should be tolled for Iran and Chinese ships until the Hormuz toll goes away.
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ziggyyT4 days ago
+8
The fool who said it was an Indonesian minister. They had to back track in the end. Fools.
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catscanmeow4 days ago
+10
malaka is wanker in greek, so this is a very amusing story
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SHUT_DOWN_EVERYTHING4 days ago
+2
They should try enforcing it right as Trump flies to China for extra fun.
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Gloryjoel694 days ago
+3
I find it funny that Australia keeps getting their info wrong about what’s going on with their literal next door neighbors.
Last year they said Indonesia allowed Russian air planes to land at our Air Force base (we didn’t)
Now this. Not only is this an old news, nothing came out of it. Even Indonesia, the one who proposed this, back paddled.
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princemousey14 days ago
+2
“Senior politicians” in the article seems to be referring to age (senility), rather than senior (ranking in administration).
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zaevilbunny384 days ago
+1
There were over 100 official acts of piracy in the straits last year and at least the same number that wasn't reported. All Indonesia needs to do is state any vessel that doesn't pay the toll will be publicly listed and the maritine forces won't intervene if something happens.
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Nessie4 days ago
+1
If I've learned one thing on the internet, it's this: "Never feed a toll."
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IntentionPlus154 days ago
+1
and china will block china sea hahaha
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cbawiththismalarky4 days ago
+1
On the 13th of April Indonesia and the US government signed a Major Defence Cooperation Partnership at the pentagon
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One-Manufacturer41244 days ago
+1
The kind of bs news with no substance nor any solid evidence just to gain readership. We need credible news and this is not it.
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JobTight82524 days ago
+1
Straights of Gilbraltar, make a fortune!!
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Big_Trust18504 days ago
+1
A silly idea only a three-year-old would have
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Global-Laugh-36043 days ago
+1
Imagine all that money coming in annually !!
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Party-Cover-54363 days ago
+1
Damn they’d make money too
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Spiritual_War_21502 days ago
+1
hoax
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Kaiel14124 days ago
+1
I'm glad that America showed to Iran that they can easily make a toll through their own strait and now countries next to a vital trading route are considering them also
thanks Trump
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1Beholderandrip4 days ago
+1
> can easily make a toll
We literally have a blockade on it and are choosing who crosses. 😂 Nobody's paying their toll anymore
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rabidstoat4 days ago
-4
THEY NEVER WOULD HAVE DONE THAT IF KAMALA WERE PRESIDENT.
Since Trump is so full of "never would've happened if I were President."
He's so full of shit. He says that about the Russian War, and yet he can't get a cease fire after over a year, when the countries are worn down from years of fighting and theoretically more willing to negotiate.
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elykl124 days ago
+1
“But her laugh…”-Swing Michigan voter about to put their balls in a vice
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1Beholderandrip4 days ago
+2
You're right. We would have done nothing, let Iran get their nuke, and just shrugged as our oil prices become double what they are now 😀
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StatusDimension84 days ago
+1
No no no keep Malaysia’s name out of it.
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DDoubleDDog4 days ago
+1
The US Navy will challenge this, as they always do, by sailing through, knowing they will not be fired upon because they know there would be severe consequences.
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DDoubleDDog4 days ago
The US will never back any country putting tolls on international waterways. The US backs freedom of navigation and it is willing to enforce it even against its own allies. For example, after WW2, Denmark wanted to continue charging tolls to ships passing through its waters, until the US decided to conduct a freedom of navigation operation through Denmark. The Danes didn't dare fire at the US warships and that waterway was opened for all ships for the first time in history.
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DDoubleDDog4 days ago
+1
False. The US never proposed that. The US believes in freedom of navigation for all.
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thewavefixation4 days ago
+1
Zero chance Singapore would. Malaysia and Indonesia are a joke.
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ise3113 days ago
+1
Malaysia has nothing to do with this. The one suggesting is Indonesia's politician alone.
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Previous-Coconut66734 days ago
-1
“Much of China's global trade is dependent on access to the strait, and the superpower in the region retains a lot of clout.”
This should tell you all you need to know about this move and who is really behind it.
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Rich_Housing9714 days ago
Which politicians? every country has their share of stupid MAGA-type politicians who say stuff like this. This would be horrible for the region's economy even if they give Chinese ships a free or c**** toll.
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Single_Comment63894 days ago
-1
Where's all all you people who think that Iran can do no wrong now?
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Arcamorge4 days ago
-1
I feel like I watched a video where someone claimed the Hormuz toll meant globalism was over and privateers+sound tolls were back in fashion and somehow it would lead to Denmark getting nuked.
Hmm, maybe some of that is true
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