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disembodied_voice 19 hr ago +30

As nice as it would be for people to get on board with EVs for more altruistic reasons like the environment, I'll settle with them getting on board for reasons of self-interest. At this point, I really don't care why people do the right thing so long as they actually do it.

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Accomplished_Gap_920 4 hr ago +1

The economic strengths of a digital or (alternative energy) eletric driven economy should have been the key argument in favour of promoting it. . Or as we germans say " you can't nourish yourself through air and love"

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StaticSystemShock 18 hr ago -14

I can't because EVs still suck. The half decent ones are still over 30k € which is insane and the ones for under 20k € are a joke. And while I would probably charge it at home, the whole charging infrastructure is idiotic. I don't want special charging card or phone app, just charge me on a credit card like I get charged for petrol at gas station. Why is this stupid bullshit a thing? And why has everyone just accepted it?

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obscuriosityboner 17 hr ago +8

It just isn’t for you, they’re fantastic for people in congested cities who travel short distances though. Hopefully the demand will reduce the price or, at the very least, improve the charging infrastructure; it’s still fairly early days.

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StaticSystemShock 17 hr ago -9

EVs have been around far AGES now. Nissan Leaf is 16 years old model now. They really aren't some special novelty anymore yet everythin abgout them is still quite stupid. And you can all downvote all you want.

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obscuriosityboner 16 hr ago +7

16 years is relatively recent and we’ve only really seen them become significantly popular in the last several years. There are super chargers in nearly every city, they’re just not on par with gas stations yet, because the demand is nowhere near as high, right? I don’t know why you’re so outraged, it’s quite strange.

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StaticSystemShock 15 hr ago -5

If I'm selling my 16 years old car NO ONE will ever say "hey that's a fairly recent car". It's old. I'm outraged because everyone keeps hyping up "c**** EVs" and then telling they are over 30k €. And it's some tiny ass tin can that's the size of original Fiat 500 from 40 years ago. And I'm not even asking for a big as SUV, I just want a normal sized hatchback EV.

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obscuriosityboner 14 hr ago +7

You’re missing the point. I’m not saying that a 16 year old car is new, I’m saying that 16 years is fairly short time for a new market to have a worldwide infrastructure, comparable to gas pumps. > I just want a normal sized hatchback EV Yeah, everyone wants that. But we’re not all whinging and complaining like toddlers, because we realise that the EV industry is in its infancy, but it’s growing. What do you expect? Exhausting.

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StaticSystemShock 6 hr ago

Yeah, just take it up the ass and never complain, like a true corporate b****. Downvote me you all clowns. oz god forbid someone complains over the state of anything and gets downvoted instantly. You idiots act like I hate electric cars. I was considering one years ago but decided to stay with my petrol car that's 16 years old now. Because electric ones are stupid expensive, smaller and I'll in reality never recoup the extra costs through "cheaper" electricity because of how little distance I drive with it. But I still need one because I can't rely on public transit to get to the job. So f****** downvote me if I don't like the bullshit state of EV's that are everyone hyping so f****** hard.

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NecessarySudden 8 hr ago +2

Yeah, the need for apps and special cards is bullshit. Imagine you come to Shell gas station and they refuse to sell you fuel without access card(not even loyalty) Thats some weird unnecessary gatekeeping.

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bickering_fool 20 hr ago +60

Best thing Trump has ever (unintentionally) done.

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Intelligent_Kick_436 20 hr ago +6

As Melania said yesterday, "the great oonifier".

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tiradium 20 hr ago +20

He did a few more things , got Carney's party elected after disaster that was Trudeau , united EU against common threat of annexation and unfavorable deals , made a lot of countries sign historical trade agreements with each other. He also ensured China will not have to take over Taiwan by brute force but rather the current gov will bow down to China because they cant trust US to assist them if there was an invasion

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iwantboringtimes 20 hr ago +5

lots of nice stats in the article > Ajay Bhatia, chief executive of Mobile.de, said the new and used car marketplace had seen **a greater than 50% increase in electric car inquiries in March compared with February**. Petrol and diesel inquiries dipped during the same period, while inquiries for hybrids combining an engine with a smaller battery edged up by 4%. > Carwow, which links buyers with dealers in the UK, Spain and Germany, reported **20% to 30% increases in inquiries about electric cars in all three markets between February and March. In the UK, electric demand was up 23% over the month, while hybrid interest was up 19%.** > “We’ve seen a shift away from internal combustion engines for quite a while now,” said Iain Read, Carwow’s content director. “But what we’ve seen with the war is it’s accelerating. > Figures last week from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) showed that in March battery electric car registrations, based on sales several months before the break out of hostilities, totalled 86,120. **This was a jump of 24.2% compared with the same month last year and a record high.** La Centrale, one of France’s largest car marketplaces, said that its **searches for electric vehicles had increased by 160% between the start of March and the start of April.** > AutoScout24, another marketplace, said **demand for electric cars was up by about 40% in Germany, Austria and Italy**, while demand for petrol and diesel was flat or falling.

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AverageLiberalJoe 19 hr ago +5

Traded in for a hybrid 2 weeks ago. I was plannimg on waiting another year but nah...

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Tx_Ace_Dragon 18 hr ago +1

I bought my hybrid Maverick three weeks before the start of the war. Good timing, I'm thinking.

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Manndrop 15 hr ago +4

The car dealer I bought my EV (Peugeot + Citroen dealer) said that he hadn't sold a fossil fuel car in 16 months. Albeit this is in Denmark, where buying an EV has become the norm

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peterausdemarsch 11 hr ago +1

How prevalent are Chinese EVs in Denmark now? I was in DK two years ago and spotted a few. Has it increased?

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Manndrop 9 hr ago +2

Quick search, they have a 5,5% market share and sales only increased slightly. However, I think I've heard that we don't have many importers, so selection has something to say.

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peterausdemarsch 8 hr ago

Thanks! so you live in Denmark? What's opinion of people on the streets about Chinese EVs?

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Manndrop 8 hr ago +2

People prefer when EVs looks like regular cars. So that's an automatic turn off on some brands. Xpeng are highly regarded though. Issue is that in order to test drive a Chinese EV is hard, as not many sell Chinese cars. Morally, theres not really much resistance. People think with their wallet. That's why so many European car brands are succesful. They change the price to fit the market and most European EVs are actually cheaper. Take my Peugeot E208, they have the lowered the price twice. So much that their cars have changed price brackets.

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BahutF1 20 hr ago +6

Good, good. If there is more house owners or parking owners (let's be real, without your own charging point things start to be annoying with EV -for now-), people who don't care much about cars and are in capacity to pay for a more expensive one, it's nice that EV became their first choice. But let's not forget that the vast majority of car owners doesn't have the means of this choice.

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Wonderful-Pause1048 20 hr ago +6

The one good thing Trump has achieved through his actions.

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Kridokh 20 hr ago +6

Good. It's about damn time

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Suspicious-Coffee20 20 hr ago +10

f*** germany again fir the 20x. Their fight against nuclear and ev is why we are in this mess to start with.

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soulstormfire 18 hr ago -1

Wasn't just Germany, was pretty much all countries safe for some exeptions.

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ComeOnIWantUsername 20 hr ago +1

I'd happily buy one if only there were any bigger one which can fit bigger families, and which isn't super expensive limo

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milespoints 20 hr ago +9

The problem with all non-Chinese EVs is they’re too damn expensive. Like I want an EV version of a base trim Toyota Highlander. I don’t need 1000 hp or whatever a Rivian has. I don’t need / want fancy tech. But all EVs are priced like luxury vehicles which they usually are. With govt credits they can make sense but without… too expensive!

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tokyostormdrain 20 hr ago +1

What about Dacia spring, or used nissan leaf?

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milespoints 19 hr ago +4

Neither of those fits my family. I need three rows! Also they are essentially unusable for any medium length drive because they have no fast charging. Those are both fine for a single person / small family for exclusive use for short commutes and running errands around time. So, yeah they would work for some people but not me

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tokyostormdrain 19 hr ago +2

Fair enough that does limit your options whichever fuel type for affordability

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milespoints 19 hr ago +3

Yes but my options are like a honda pilot for 40k or an EV for like 70-100k lol.

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AverageLiberalJoe 19 hr ago +1

'25 Chevy blazer EV or Ioniq 4. I just went through a car buying round and did alot of comparisons. You can find these 25k miles for ~$30k at mid to high trims. If you want more luxury mid to high 30s, than used jeep grand cherokee 4xE has better packages but higher used prices mid to high 30s and is a plug in hybrid, not full EV.

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milespoints 19 hr ago +1

I need three rows is the deal. If you can make due with two rows, many more options but still expensive

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ComeOnIWantUsername 18 hr ago +1

I'm in Poland, and our car market looks a bit different and IIRC none of the models you mentioned are available here.

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PositiveUse 18 hr ago +2

I’d love to understand where Europeans got the money out of the sudden to buy the overpriced EVs…

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I_spread_love_butter 6 hr ago +1

They have more disposable income because their taxes take care of things like health and such.

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chaoticsky 14 hr ago +1

'After' Hopeful are we?

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Holiday_West1740 9 hr ago +1

Trump should get nobel prize for these 2 amazing things. 1. Pushed climate change agenda and move the world away from fossil fuels. 2. Unify the world countries.

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RuthlessIndecision 6 hr ago +1

Trump is actively accelerating the transition to renewable energy.

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PNW_Undertaker 18 hr ago

Next up will be bicycles! This is great! May this spur the change of walkable cities with plenty of options for transit as walking biking public transit and then cars mixed in here and there. Here I am stuck in the US where many places are too car brainwashed

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CarRamRob 20 hr ago -1

It’s funny you don’t see the articles “interest in EV plummets as oil prices deflate”

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soulstormfire 18 hr ago +2

Since when do oil prices deflate? :D

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CarRamRob 18 hr ago +2

Given they have been below their inflation adjusted historical average for 9 of the last 10 years, you are proving my point. No one cares when oil is normal or below normal.

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soulstormfire 18 hr ago +1

People will care about "inflation adjusted historical averages" when their wages are inflation adjusted and not a second before that.

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disembodied_voice 19 hr ago +1

Probably because people are aware that the structural problems that led to the current conflict are still present and are unlikely to change for the next few years.

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