Iran calls US peace proposals 'unrealistic', oil rises amid new missile strikes

Nukes are definitely a defensive weapon. Look at how successful the US is with their conventional military, and how they go around picking on countries without nukes and leave the countries with nukes well alone. Removing nukes won't stop the US from going around stealing from other countries and killing their people. It would just give Trump more targets. Iran is showing the world that some nukes aren't actually nukes. Sitting on an important strait offers similar opportunities.

So wait you think it’s a good idea for a country that is unstable to get nukes ? You do realize how many close calls by accident we’ve had with nukes and the world almost being destroyed when two stable superpowers had nukes right ? Why would you think adding to that would help the world in any sensible way ?

I’d rather a despotic theocracy aligned with Russia and China is destroyed rather than sit around and let them get stronger with nukes and conventions missile programs.

Unfortunately we NEED a world with complete denuclearization or as close to as possible(like 3 max but that's still problematic and impossible to enforce). Because with more and more racing to get hundreds to thousands of nukes its only a matter of time before they are used.  But I do understand why countries are doing it for their own safely. I do and don't blame them when their "enemies" that have many thousands are trying to topple them. It's just a global self own that we are incapable of observing borders and leaving people alone and instead escaped to world ending weapons. Unless we do work towards nonproliferation - we are just waiting for the day they are used. And with MIRV getting more impressive and economical It's super impossible to stop them. MAD is literally our future but there may not be much we can do about it unless everyone really understands it's statistically guarenteed to happen over hundreds of years. It's a matter of when not if especially when more and more nations get them.

And yet Trump chooses literally the worst option.

Trump probably was on a "Venezuela high" and thought chopping off the head of the Iranian regime would result in a subservient foreign power.

Iraq, Libya, Ukraine. If you take the US and other superpowers at their word the answer is "If you dont have/give up your nuclear program you are prey"

> it really does feel like it's more of a matter of "when" and not "if" at this point. Idk. They've been bombed a lot. Grossi said that even the attacks in the 12days war seriously impacted the program (isfahan/natanz have been destroyed), which hasn't really be restarted since then according to him. It's not that easy to build nuclears bombs and it seems Israel/The US are ready to go bomb Iran if they keep trying to build one. Even if americans don't go back in Iran after this war I doubt Israel would let them rebuild. In 2024 Iran attacked israel twice, in 2025 Israel attacked Iran, in 2026 Israel+The US attacked Iran. Sure if it's over after this war things can change a lot. But probably if they don't all agree on a real peace, it'll start again in some months / years. Perhaps in 2027 iran will attack israel, in 2028 israel will attack iran etc. it can continue for a long time.

Yeah you’re right: if the US wouldn’t attack their secret weapons grade nuclear enrichment facilities, they wouldn’t have to increasingly hide their weapons grade nuclear enrichment facilities.

didn’t the government of Iran literally had a countdown clock ticking down until the complete destruction of Israel…? 

> it's very plausible that Iran was happy being a threshold state. It's not what they said, and I guess other countries in the region aren't happy about it. It doesn't look like being a threshold state has helped them a lot as in theory it's used to deter an enemy. And they did all that while simultaneously saying they wanted to destroy another country. If someone says he wants to destroy me, while buying weapons, I would be worried. > As for hiding centrifuges, yes that would be completely normal for a country that gets attacked frequently. Why "frequently"? There was the Iran-Iraq war before that but that's it no? The war was started by Saddam which wasn't a threat when they started building these facilities. They started building these sites around 2006. I guess what you're saying is that they rightfully anticipated they would be attacked if other countries discovered they had this program, which is what we're seeing now, but it doesn't retroactively justify that decision.