Trump will still say the talks were great and they made a HUGE agreement
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sambare6 days ago
+115
"they're begging me to make a deal". His statements are so pathetic he's probably already killed someone of cringe.
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Anteater7766 days ago
+38
Can confirm
source: I died of cringe
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n1gr3d06 days ago
+5
I also can confirm. Source: am cringe.
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Zanadar6 days ago
+7
What did poor /u/Anteater776 ever do to you?
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mrjim87x6 days ago
+4
That’s why I stopped listening to him speak. Ugh
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SilentRhubarb15156 days ago
+8
Market goes up 5000%
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siesta906 days ago
+13
Depends if his friends have bought puts or calls before the weekend
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PhilosophyKingPK6 days ago
+4
Iran’s negotiators go to another school. You wouldn’t know them.
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Stockengineer6 days ago
+3
He’s negotiating styles just bully the other side so it cost more to litigate than you get back. Doesn’t work on countries 😂 literally all his deals are him just negotiating himself down and not doing what he said he would
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Designer_Professor_46 days ago
+70
The breaking news is that there is no breaking news?
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Tasty-Entertainer7116 days ago
+29
"...has no decision...."
Brilliantly worded.👏
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UnTides6 days ago
+6
Trump will lie again next Friday about a peace deal anyway to manipulate the stock market and prediction betting market again.
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Foreign-Chocolate865 days ago
+3
I think it’s supposed to be “Iran has decided not to send negotiators to Pakistan”
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twat695 days ago
I saw another article that said Dump isn't sending couch f*****. But I don't know which one came out first. The news is probably that one side decided to not continue talks. Then the other side tried to claim they did it first.
IDK which side decided first. But I'm not betting on the side run by a senile pedophile.
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here4thegangbang4206 days ago
+65
Trump about to start using auto pen to forge signatures from Iran on his own peace plan, then try to convince us they're lying and they signed the deal
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wargh_gmr6 days ago
+5
So the Ayatollah of Rock-n-Rolla didn't actually proclaim Trump is Rock Doctor Jesus?
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pongomanswe5 days ago
+2
He will do so and put a US arbitration clause in, with Pam Bondi, Jeanine Pirro and Rudy Giuliani as predetermined arbitrators. Then he will try to enforce the agreement.
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ThE_LAN_B4_TimE6 days ago
+12
Trump : we had the best negotiation talks in the history of the world. The IRAN strait is open, war is over!!!!
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Hikarilo6 days ago
+6
Doesn't matter. Trump will say that negotiations with the new Iranian reigme is going well, and that they are close to getting a deal, and his base and the market will believe him.
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luisa65-L6 days ago
+5
**Tasnim reporting this means it’s official-level posturing. Buckle up.**
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Foreign_Cable_95306 days ago
+56
The USA isn’t going to remove the naval blockade before reaching a deal because it’s their chokehold on Iran. If the choke isn’t enough, there’s a chance they’re going to continue strikes on Wednesday or Thursday.
Reuters is a good source but hopefully their information is wrong or just early and Iran actually does send a delegate to Pakistan. If they don’t, it’s a signal they’re willing to put everything on the line so that they can survive as a theocratic authoritarian nation with a nuclear deterrent.
I hope Iran loses, but I don’t see how that happens without more suffering.
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Cool_Youth35646 days ago
+3
It sounds like they are thinking of seizing Iran oil tankers this wee
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andruszko6 days ago
+23
All indications we have thus far is that the government is trying to negotiate, and the IRGC is standing in the way. Thus the mixed messaging.
It's entirely possible talks go "great", there's a workable agreement, and everyone leaves happy. And then the IRGC immediately issues a statement that they disagree with every point and won't follow it.
The US may expect this, and use it as an excuse to ramp up hostilities. "We tried to negotiate in good faith but they forced us to continue".
The more moderate members of Iran's government may also be using this tactic to hurt the IRGC's support. If the people, the Iran government's army, and some moderate officials get sick enough of the IRGC being unreasonable, they may try to wrest some control of the nation back.
The moderate government might be doing their best to work a deal, which gives a temporary reprieve for them to try to get the IRGC on board.
And the final possibility I can think of: the IRGC is now in control of negotiations (the moderates have lost control completely), and simply using them to bide time to dig out launchers and reorganize. I think this is the most unlikely, because the IRGC wouldn't have mentioned their president coming to sign the deal if it's reached.
Either way, there IS a delegation from Iran heading to Pakistan for negotiations. We just truly have no idea if it matters.
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kishorecmgb6 days ago
+8
Truly reaping the benefits of killing the political leadership and the top commanders .
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nemo3333386 days ago
+7
Do you think the previous guys, the guys that ordered the killings of thousands of protestors, financed proxies to destabilize the region and enriched uranium almost to weapon grade would have been more open to negotiate?
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Merpninja6 days ago
+22
Given Iran was actively negotiating with the United States when this war started, and then their negotiators were immediately killed, I would say they are less likely to negotiate now.
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fec22456 days ago
+7
The fact that they refused to meaningfully negotiate with the Biden administration I don't think the baseline was as rosy as you make it out to be.
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Jealous_Response_4926 days ago
+13
It took the Obama admin over 2 years to secure the Deal, that the first Trump admin pulled out of. It's unlikely the current Iranian regime will simply fold on it's red lines, even under duress.
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Merpninja6 days ago
+10
What do you mean by “rosy”??? Iran was negotiating in Oman with administration officials for weeks before the war started. We killed the negotiators in the opening strikes, and now Iran might be refusing to negotiate. What is so hard to understand?
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Stockengineer6 days ago
-2
Joe was fixing all the shit 🥭 did… and navigating out of covid… you know when over 1M people died cause 🥭 decided vaccines and lockdowns weren’t important, and injecting bleach. It definitely was more peaceful and stable time.
Let’s not forget Afghanistan… who’s 🥭 just said we pulling out with no plans and refused to give up any power to the incoming president 😂
Oh, and yeah forgot you guys tried to do a coup, can’t forget about that… don’t think any first world country has ever tried to do a coup
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Stockengineer6 days ago
-1
They literally were close to giving up all enrichment to rejoin the world financial system… the. You know you un-Alived their negotiating and decision makers 😂
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riko77can6 days ago
+10
You think the miscommunication has been on the *Iranian* side? Their communication is *far* more internally consistent than what is coming out of the Trump administration. Pakistan as the mediator has even pointed that out.
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fec22456 days ago
+6
>Their communication is *far* more internally consistent than what is coming out of the Trump administration.
Did you sleep through Friday? There's clearly internal conflict.
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riko77can6 days ago
-2
What, when Trump made a bunch of outlandish maximalist claims that proved inaccurate? Or are you trying to suggest that the decision to re-close the Strait was some sort of internal miscommunication and not Iran responding to the US’s failure to lift their blockade as stated?
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fec22456 days ago
+3
It's not internal miscommunication, it's an internal conflict. As soon as the FM said the strait was open IRGC aligned media groups firmly pushed back. I don't know where you get your news from but you clearly are missing a lot.
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PastryAssassinDeux6 days ago
+6
they pushed back after trump said us wasn't lifting the blockade which makes sense. why in the world would they allow the strait to be open when they're still being blockaded? maybe you should listen to more than trump regime propaganda?
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fec22456 days ago
+3
That wasn't what happened.
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PastryAssassinDeux6 days ago
+3
again maybe you should consider listening to more than just trump regime propaganda?
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fec22456 days ago
+1
I'm talking about the Iranian FM and the immediate pushback in IRGC aligned sources. I never mentioned Trump or statements from American sources.
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previouslyonimgur6 days ago
+1
The problem is the IRGC is the power.
The IRCG doesn’t want to negotiate. They’re willing to watch their country burn.
Every school that America drops a bomb on, is 2 more parents who are willing to burn the world in revenge.
It worked in Gaza very well.
They’re winning a PR war. They’re consolidating power and crushing dissidents so there’s no concern of internal revolt.
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Tomas28916 days ago
+8
Did the Iranians forget the tens of thousands killed by the IRGC during their protest?
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PastryAssassinDeux6 days ago
+3
they probably did forget it after trump regime heavily implied nuking iran and destroying their 7k+ old civilization. iran regime probably have a lot more support amongst the people now.
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CressCheap6 days ago
+10
They did not. But a lot of listnookors did.
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previouslyonimgur6 days ago
+1
Nope didnt forget.
But there were lots of others who don’t protest, who put their heads down and said “don’t make waves” who just lost their kids.
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mkondr6 days ago
+5
They are winning a PR war because apparently most of our population has mush for brains. As bad as Trump and Bibi is, this is the government that killed thousand of their own citizens, r*** and mutilated women, caused untold death and suffering throughout the ME and the world, yet since they are anti Trump that makes them the ones to root for. They are the greater evil full stop.
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previouslyonimgur6 days ago
+1
They are an absolutely terrible government full stop.
They probably don’t even make the list of top 5 worst governments. And in fact the US has relations with plenty of governments who do all of those things. You telling me China is morally virtuous with what they’re doing to the Uyghur population?
The difference between Iran and say somalia, and say South Sudan,, is that the US really doesn’t care about africa, the oil in Iran, and the rhetoric between Iran and Israel for 50+ years.
The us should not ever have gotten involved.
Israel was the aggressor and has wanted this for 50+ years. We caused this Iranian regime in the first place because of the f****** oil.
Seriously. Every time we step into a nation with “bestest of intentions “ we cause a f****** nightmare.
The us is dealing with refugees from south and Central American nations that we played the “regime change” game with. Our own cause and effect.
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PastryAssassinDeux6 days ago
+2
> As bad as Trump and Bibi is
lmao bibi and the israeli public(80 or 90% support) just got done genociding and ethnically cleansing Gaza. nothing iran has done is worse than that
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Prestigious-Lynx-1776 days ago
+1
They making a huge bet that the American public would be so resistant to launch a ground invasion and they feel they can weather missile strikes (since air campaigns historically don't accomplish anything other than making the population hate the one attacking them).
It's far more likely the US would collapse I to chaos if Trump kept escalating, but again that's a gamble.
Americans like to imagine they treat their government like the french do, burning down their cities when they think they might lose their two hour lunch break. In reality, they're more like Russians. One half completely unmotivated and no faith that what they could do would accomplish anything, the other half happy with whatever Trump would do and probably happy to see the other half killed.
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__Geg__5 days ago
+1
Iran has zero reason to trust any agreement with a Trump led US. Trump pulled out of a US deal. Trump attacked them while they were already negotiating. Any casual observer has seen Trump blow up NAFTA twice, shit on NATO, and do nothing but lie for over a decade.
My money is on the status quo persists until Trump, and probably Republicans are out of power.
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Halbaras6 days ago
+5
At this point Iran might simply believe that talks are ultimately a waste of time. They had a perfectly good deal with a previous US administration, that got ripped up by Trump over the most idiotic kind of US domestic politics.
Trump has now launched attacks on them twice while they thought they were negotiating (and according to Oman, they did actually offer significant concessions the night before Trump launched Israel's war). His track record on foreign policy everywhere else is worse than transactional - if he's given any sort of victory, he demands more.
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lastpassonright6 days ago
+6
The US is starving the rest of the world while they do this. Be nice if they get things moving one way or another.
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PhD916 days ago
-12
Honestly, as much as I sympathize with the hatred towards Trump: No, it's solely Iran that economically chokes every country with their Hormuz terrorism – whatever one may think about Trump's completely insane conquest, it was Iran that, by initially blocking the strait, put immense economic strain on countries that neither had nor have anything at all to do with this war.
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lastpassonright6 days ago
+13
I'm actually being gaslit on who started this war lol
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JGT30006 days ago
+1
You're worrying about who started it while everyone else is talking about what is happening right now
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PhD916 days ago
-1
Where exactly did I explicitly state or even imply who started this war? I merely addressed the Hormuz situation and the fact that Iran decided to not only inflict economic pain upon the opposing war parties with their terrorism, but rather upon the whole world, even if there isn't any involvement in this war whatsoever – I'm genuinely flabbergasted by the fact that some people apparently view that act of pure terrorism against non-war parties as justified.
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Jealous_Response_4926 days ago
+3
Iran would say, US bases and infrastructure that has and is been used to support their war effort are legitimate targets.
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DBLUE7116 days ago
-1
Did you know that more than 90% of the Iranian targets were civilian infrastructure?
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Jealous_Response_4926 days ago
+3
The majority of Iran's targets have been military and energy infrastructure across the region.
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PastryAssassinDeux6 days ago
+2
probably shouldn't have moved us and israeli soldiers and targets to those hotels and "civilian infrastructure" eh? but I guess all the trump and israeli regime targets were definitely military targets eh? like double tapping that girls school the first day. killing all the little girls and then bombing the parents and emergency personnel that arrived later. "MILITARY INFRASTRUCTURE"
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rustoren6 days ago
+1
Previous US administrations were aware that Iran would close the Strait of Hormuz should the US initiate a war with Iran and hence, have an economic impact on the whole world, so they did everything in their power to avoid such a situation but then along came the orange gorilla - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/apr/19/intemperate-trump-brings-chaos-and-confusion-to-iran-talks#img-1.
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Historical-Pilot-7846 days ago
-4
Are you arguing that being a defending party in a war excuses any and all actions you do?
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KruSion6 days ago
+3
No they're arguing that if trump never attacked this wouldn't have happened. Root cause analysis yada yada.
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Historical-Pilot-7846 days ago
-7
Idk, seems to me that 'root cause analysis' is often used very selectively.
For example, nobody is really interested in the root causes of why Russia invaded Ukraine. People are plenty content with 'Russia bad'.
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Jealous_Response_4926 days ago
+6
Russia's root cause, was they want all the territory of the Soviet Union back. So yeah, Russia Bad.
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bklor6 days ago
+6
If Trump doesn't start this illegal war this would never have happened. And when Iran opens the strait, Trump even continues to blockade!
Trump set this in motion, not Iran.
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previouslyonimgur6 days ago
Iran is playing every card they have to survive. Sorry, they didn’t start this war.
You blame the instigators not the defenders.
You blame the people who dropped a bomb on a school. Who’s threatening to essentially nuke a country.
Every intelligent person with a little geography knowledge knew that the second anyone attacked Iran they would do this. That’s why no one has done it.
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PhD916 days ago
-1
What exactly do you try to convey here? Furthermore, do you seriously consider Iran's terrorism with respect to Hormuz as an act of self-defense, considering their actions are intended to inflict severe economic pain upon non-war parties as well – actually, the pain inflicted upon non-war parties is vastly greater than the pain inflicted upon e. g. the USA.
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previouslyonimgur6 days ago
+3
It’s exactly self defense.
Not really sure how you think it’s not.
They are a smaller nation, being attacked by a much larger one that in a traditional fight they would have zero chance of winning.
The only way to defend themselves is to inflict as much pain on the attacker as possible.
If that pain is economic, then that’s still defense.
They’re aiming for the world to be so fed up that the world will be forced to defend Iran for them.
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PhD916 days ago
However, that economic pain is inflicted upon non-war parties that have exhibited no aggression whatsoever towards Iran. That isn't any credible form of self-defense, sorry. I'd completely agree with you if the pain was solely inflicted on the USA and Isreal; however, it's disproportionately inflicted upon other parties.
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previouslyonimgur6 days ago
+5
Oh it’s absolutely disproportionate.
And it’s still self defense.
In a world economy, where everyone depends on other nations, you can’t really just sit around when one country unilaterally does shit like the US does.
When the US helps other nations and generally acts as a peacekeeping force, things are fine and dandy. The world enjoyed the stability and outsourcing that shit to the US.
And this is the consequence of that.
The us guaranteed shipping in return for the global dollar. Can’t really guarantee shipping right now can they?
Long run this hurts the us far far more.
Maybe won’t collapse the petrodollar this decade but long run? With an ever increasing virtual currency/economy. 20 years isn’t out of reach.
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sirgoosey6 days ago
How can it be self-defense if they're shooting international boats in international waters and claiming it as their own? And in the greater scheme their entire goal with this is to inflict international economic damage.
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previouslyonimgur6 days ago
+3
Because they didn’t fire the first shot? It’s really that simple.
You punch me in the face, you’re bigger and stronger and tell me you’re going to do it every day until I die.
I’m going to do whatever I can to get someone else to stop you.
That’s it.
This is self defense as much as it sucks.
Ukraine is hitting pipeline and oil refineries that are hurting the world oil production too.
Little cleaner since this all in Russia, but still hurts other nations.
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sirgoosey6 days ago
+1
Ukraine is hitting Russia's oil/gas infrastructure. Not blockading 20% of the world's oil/gas supply, most of those countries not relevant in this current conflict, knowing that would then go on to affect more countries. Qatar for example has gone lengths to keep a good relationship with Iran, but is one of the most affected countries here, as you cannot produce a pipeline for LNG and it has to be shipped. It could be shipped through Oman's waters, but Iran would shoot at them. Ukraine's sole goal is inflicting damage on Russia. There's a difference.
Also, it's not like Iran is innocent. They've funded proxy wars all over the Middle East for years, and participated in occasional acts of war themselves.
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previouslyonimgur6 days ago
+2
Never said Iran was innocent.
Iran has absolutely been using proxies for war for the past 50 years.
And they have been using civilian shields, hospitals and schools. They carefully use the “rules of war” as protection. And then cry foul.
I’m not disagreeing with any of that.
But to say they did all of that because they couldn’t win a straight up war.
And that’s where they are now. In risk for a straight up assault.
They’d inflict casualties but they have zero shot of surviving if the US puts boot to ground.
So they have to make it as painful as possible.
I’m not defending Iranian leadership. I’m saying what they’re doing is self defense. It sucks for the world. But it’s self defense.
The world decided that shipping lane was special.
Iran revoked that status. The world can decide how to respond.
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LayerComfortable42395 days ago
+1
What?
Iran has exactly one card to play when it comes to war with the US, which is to close the strait. Their only alternative is to just sit there and wring their hands until the bombs stop falling for whatever reason, which no nation on the planet is going to do.
Everyone and their mothers knew for a fact that this was going to happen. The US and Israel went ahead and did it anyway, and in doing so invited the obvious consequences.
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andruszko6 days ago
-12
Imagine you're in the school yard. You see two learning-impaired kids arguing.
One guy punches the other.
The second goes into a rage and starts randomly attacking everyone around them, but not really doing anything to fight back against the guy who punched him.
Do you blame the first guy? Or do you blame the second guy who's running around trying to burn the world down?
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lastpassonright6 days ago
+1
There's reality where everyone knew this would happen and wtv fantasy this is. Iran is not in the right, doesn't mean it wasn't gonna happen.
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PhD916 days ago
-2
That's exactly the situation: While there certainly is blame to be cast upon those who initiated this war, Iran's decision to cause worldwide economic pain isn't justifiable in any way. Just look at the countries in SEA: They aren't involved in this war whatsoever; yet, Iran's decision to attack civil vessels caused (and will continue to cause) them immense problems.
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-5
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Prior_Pickle17586 days ago
-1
The Iranian regime must fall but there is no timeline in which an Iran shaped by Trump / Hegseth / Rubio is a net benefit for the world or the region.
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bklor6 days ago
+6
Regime change doesn't seem very likely though. There's a very good chance that this war will make it harder to remove the regime.
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Prior_Pickle17585 days ago
+1
I agree.
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Playful_Wrangler78366 days ago
-12
Please explain why you think the Iranian regime must fall?
- been around since 612 A.D (one of. the longest civilization around.
- never started any wars
- does not have a nuclear program, (no matter what the western media says)
What is your basis for this.
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sirgoosey6 days ago
+15
\- The Islamic Republic of Iran is 47 years old
\- They've been funding proxy wars all over the Middle East for years, while occasionally directly engaging in acts of war
\- They continued enriching Uranium above the percentage they agreed upon, nearly to the point of being able to produce a nuclear weapon
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harlotstoast6 days ago
+4
Hanging 20 year old protesters for one thing?
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[deleted]6 days ago
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no_kids-and-3_money6 days ago
+4
They weren’t “found to have”. They openly admitted it during negotiations in order to get a better deal. They agreed to get rid of it and allow IAEA and for the first time US inspectors.
They could have developed nuclear weapons years ago if they wanted to. But the US used negotiations as an act of perfidy to launch a sneak attack. I’m sure they’ll have a nuclear weapon soon after this.
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[deleted]6 days ago
+3
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NominallyRecursive6 days ago
If you were desperately trying to build a nuclear weapon why would you enrich material to almost weapons grade for ten nukes instead of using your clearly surplus centrifuge capacity to enrich the first, say, three nuclear weapons worth to actually weapons grade
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no_kids-and-3_money6 days ago
This entire thing is what gives them the opportunity to build a nuclear weapon. I feel like I’m losing my mind.
Yes, the perfidy claim is substantiated. They actually agreed to allow US inspectors for the first time ever. They were willing to give up even more than the deal under Obama. The Omani foreign minister, acting as negotiator and chosen by the US was shocked when the bombs started flying because he said a deal had been reached and a few final minor points were going to be hammered out after the weekend.
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Stockengineer6 days ago
-1
😂 if you hope Iran loses… they taking all of the GCC oil infrastructure with them. God job Americans… for being world wide 🍑🧢
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JimTheSaint6 days ago
-1
Trump will bow down because that is literally what he does.
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CaRzOonn6 days ago
+3
Hard to tell if this is a real stance or just a negotiation tactic.
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GoWest12236 days ago
+4
Why would you. The US and Israel would bomb your team.
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OddTaku94246 days ago
+2
I know this is serious topic but….open the article. Trust me, it’s full of extra info. Just do it lol
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Bishopjones21126 days ago
+9
Why negotiate with people who rip up deals and change their mind on fly. Agreeing and disagreeing on a whim. F*** the states.
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supercali456 days ago
+1
Nothing of substance will happen at this 2nd meeting anyways .. Trump not even sending Couchfucker this time
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roller_coaster3255 days ago
+1
It’s a negotiation where both sides can’t be trusted and the US fired all their career diplomats and replaced the negotiating team with real estate developers.
Should have a deal real soon.
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Secret-Temperature716 days ago
+3
Vietnam negotiations took nearly 5 years.
NY Times is reporting Iran has roughly 40% of its drones and 60% of its missiles remaining while interceptor stocks are very depleted.
This may take a while.
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d1andonly6 days ago
-1
The last delegation they sent had no decision making power. They could not accept or make an offer without consulting Tehran. This is pretty much verbatim what JD Vance said as the reason the US delegation decided to leave the talks.
Right now it’s a likely a scramble on the Iranian end to figure out who should actually be at the talks.
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Stockengineer6 days ago
+4
😂 and you think the vice president has any say… the VP is just a glorified assistant
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d1andonly6 days ago
+1
Exactly the reason why Trump suggested he would consider being a part of the talks, but that will be meaningless unless someone of equal rank is across the table.
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613codyrex6 days ago
Interesting because this is exactly what was said about the US when they sent the dumb, dumb and dumber ‘delegation’ made up of a couch f*****, Mossad agent #1 and a person somehow too stupid to be a Mossad agent #2.
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Red_River_Metis6 days ago
+1
Considering Trump doesn’t negotiate in good faith and is a filthy liar.. it’s hard to blame Iran. One bad bowel movement and whatever they agree to Trump tips up.
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Low_Search_66675 days ago
+1
I hope they agree to talks and don't show up and just drop some social media post sayng trump ordered them to appear and they couldn't come because they were still laughing too hard
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copperblood6 days ago
-1
It's f****** hilarious that Iran is the only country that has the balls to call Trump out on his bullshit.
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Exciting_Farmer63956 days ago
Straight to jail!
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ginkgodave6 days ago
-5
Iran is playing Trump like he’s a marionette.
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Responsible_Cup44536 days ago
-1
Iran will send their negotiators but don't reveal it because of security reason. This is my opinion
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Jealous_Response_4926 days ago
+1
Freedom of navigation, pretty much the oldest of what could be considered international laws, and reiterated in many treaties since, is not something that should be acquiesced to resolve this conflict.
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