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News & Current Events May 11, 2026 at 9:46 AM

Iran executes alleged Mossad spy Erfan Shakourzadeh amid Israel-US tensions

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Iran executes alleged Mossad spy Erfan Shakourzadeh amid Israel-US tensions
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Iran executes alleged Mossad spy Erfan Shakourzadeh amid Israel-US tensions
Iran has executed Erfan Shakourzadeh, a man convicted of spying for Israel’s Mossad and US intelligence. The case has drawn attention because Mizan linked him to a scientific organisation involved in satellite activities.

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xvermilion3 2 days ago +1237
This headline is selling it short. This guy was rank 1 in national exam for university (number 1 out of hundreds of thousands, so go figure). Basically a genius. And people like him get automatic invitation to study and work abroad but he refused to immigrate and wanted to work for his country. Not saying his life was more valuable than others who were executed. Just pointing out the type of people this regime is murdering. They are not thugs. They're just normal smart people who want a normal life.
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Piggywonkle 2 days ago +10
The majority of countries actually don't permit the death penalty under any circumstances at all, including during war time. Almost every country in Europe, including Ukraine, doesn't permit it.
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HormuzVengeance 2 days ago +9
Sorry, but an illegitimate, occupying, terrorist junta whose sole mission has been eradication of Iranian culture and peoples is not the country. This man was brave and a wonderful asset and supporter of his country - Iran. Not islamic republic. He stood against the tyranny and the foreign imperialist occupation of the islamic regime, and they murdered him for it. National liberation of Iran draws near though. Soon it will be a free, secular, democratic country; free from the hell of the islamic republic.
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PixelNotPolygon 2 days ago +101
But maybe he was a spy?
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TheOsirisOfThisShit_ 1 day ago +233
Iran calls literally everyone they execute an israeli spy. Anyone who tries to defend them gets called an Israeli sympathizer. Hamas is the same.
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randompersonx 1 day ago +58
I’m certainly not on Iran’s side here, but I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if plenty of those accused of being spies are, in fact, spies. Iran clearly has a problem with spies, as evidenced by the fact that Israel and the USA have been able to do such precision strikes (eg: the Ayatollah hit).
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smootex 1 day ago +28
You're giving them too much credit. Two things can be true: one, there are definitely a lot of informants in Iran. Two, the Iranian counter intelligence can't be trusted to identify a spy from their ass. They're paranoid at this point and they'll accuse anyone. I'm sure some of them are real informants but their word is dirt.
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dontneedaknow 1 day ago +9
why not when they have the Russians who Israel stays cozy to as a back up to the usa partnerships. this isn't far fetched at all the intelligence is far more broadly shared than anyone knows since manipulation and the hiding of cards is the name of the game just as much as pretending to have any cards is. it's actually pretty dumb to presume the incompetency in your opponent.
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Entrinity 1 day ago -1
There’s a really easy and obvious answer as to how U.S. intelligence is so good. Ahem… THEY CAN LITERALLY SEE YOU WHEREVER YOU ARE. They have people whose entire job is to watch satellite footage and figure out what is where and why this person or that person goes into that building or takes this road to that place. You don’t need a bunch of spies to know where to drop a JDAM and a lot of info can be gauged from simply watching people for months if not years. Especially when the enemy is question has been a known threat since the 80s.
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Mortimer1234 2 days ago +182
Which is why many people flee the country. And then braindead leftists on Listnook suddenly dismiss the opinion of those who fled. Because apparently, despite having the lived experience of being in Iran under the oppressive practices of the regime, and choosing to flee it, their opinion holds less weight than some basement dwelling moron with a liberal arts degree
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This_was_hard_to_do 2 days ago +96
And now we’re trying to negotiate a peace deal with the very same regime that may be even more extremist and angry than before… You can be against the Iranian government while acknowledging that we’re not in this war for the right intentions and goals.
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MayDayBeFourth 1 day ago +5
Stopping Iran from getting nukes and ending the evil theocracy are the right intentions and goals.
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This_was_hard_to_do 1 day ago +10
If that truly is the goal, then it’s been an abysmal failure. We’re already trying to negotiate with that very same evil theocracy, and they still have their nuclear program. If we were serious about it, we would need regime change and you do that with a boots on the ground invasion not by dropping weapons to groups of ethnic minorities and hoping for the best.
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mothtoalamp 1 day ago +3
Sure. But those aren't the reasons Trump ordered the attack. Stopping Iran from getting nukes was as easy as maintaining the deal the previous Democrat presidents established. Ending the evil theocracy means supporting the protestors. We failed at both and continuing the war will not change that. The protestors aren't returning to the streets and the nuclear deals are being repeatedly refused.
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MayDayBeFourth 18 hr ago +1
Literally the US told protester to not return to the streets. No the deal ended deal did not magically stop developing nukes, Iran had similar deals with other countries, and Iran broke said agreements. Arguing the war should have started a few months earlier is a bit absurd.
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vl0x 1 day ago +3
Hmmmm it’s almost as if a certain someone already negotiated a deal with them you f****** moron
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MayDayBeFourth 1 day ago +1
You really going to defend a evil theocracy mass murdering civilians?
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Mayotte 1 day ago +1
You really gonna pretend that's what I'm doing? That all you got?
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MayDayBeFourth 1 day ago +1
you cant even deny it.
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wayneglenzgi99 2 days ago +459
Leftist believe the Iranian government is bad. They just don’t believe US intervention is gonna help based on the past century of US intervention in different countries
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Nippon-Gakki 2 days ago +147
MAGA believed and voted for that (no new wars) as well until their leader decided to start a war. They now believe that it is cool and good that we’re in a war with Iran.
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HockeyHocki 2 days ago +19
Listnook is already left of centre, what is considered left wing on listnook would be far-left to your man on the street. The priority here being shitting on the US and 'western imperialism' at any given opportunity, anything beyond that is a distraction. We're talking complete selective blindness, blinkered to Iranian atrocities at best, lowkey excusing them at worst. The Hasan brigade The commenter above talking about the diasporas is spot on, these are very often genuine refugees that managed to flee, and the leftists dismiss them as privelaged, out of touch, disingenous etc. Venezuela a recent case in point. Idiots were compelled to dunk on them because they celebrated something Trump did
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HormuzVengeance 2 days ago +23
And “leftists” highlight their ignorance of the entire region, and the cultural context of Iran when they point it all on the US. Iran has a strong national cohesion amongst all of its ethnicities and a pre-theocratic government that the people haven’t forgotten. Iranian culture withstood arabisation and islamification. Arab imperialism and conquest is why the entire Middle East has been homogenised as Arab, and had a lot of their ethnic groups eradicated, and the language has become Arabic. Within Iran, there are azeris, rashtis, lurs, baluchis, mazandaranis, Kurds, and many more ethnicities and they all share one thing in common - they are first and foremost Iranian. Even our language is not Arabic. Our culture is not Islamic. This is because we have thousands of years of culture prior to the advent of islam, which is far more pertinent and reflective of general modern Iranian culture than islam is. In the Middle East, the replacement of one islamic government paves the way for another flavour of islamic government because islam is so fundamentally amalgamated with Arabism, but because of Iranian culture, history, and the current inhuman occupation by the regime - that will not be the case. In occupied Iran, firstly the calls for external military intervention and the begging of the invocation of R2P came from the population itself. Secondly, there’s a unified front against the islamic regime and a push to install a secular democracy. Thirdly, there are people in place and a whole cohesive roadmap that aims to stabilise the country in the immediate fall of the regime in order to give people the opportunity to vote for their future mode of governance. If you’re interested, you can read the Iran Prosperity Project. Iran is nothing like the rest of the Middle East, and when “leftists” compare it to the rest of the Middle East in order to oppose US intervention, they don’t come across as intellectuals who are drawing on past history to make their conclusion and oppose further devastation; they are coming across as ignorant racists who are speaking over actual Iranian people in a sanctimonious way that groups us all in with the “brown islamic Middle East”, whilst ignoring the history, culture, and most importantly will and voice of Iranian people.
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Mortimer1234 1 day ago +3
Thank you so much for posting this. It’s so refreshing to occasionally see a comment from someone actually knowledgeable about the topic, rather than the vast majority who just talk out of their ass based on shit they see online. Saving this comment for future reference. Dreaming of the day when the regime falls and I could go visit Iran with my best friend.
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podkayne3000 1 day ago
What you have in common with some highly visible people who allegedly support Israel on the internet is use of an insane left-bashing strategy that seems to exist more to divide Trump and Putin’s opposition than to help decent Israelis, decent Iranians and other decent people. I’m a capitalist. I love law-abiding billionaires. I don’t like Trumpies using the fact that the situation in the Middle East is complicated to try to sane wash Trump.
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HormuzVengeance 1 day ago +3
I highlight what I’ve been seeing and experiencing. I myself believe in leftist politics, albeit less so the political entities and groups who claim to support leftist politics. If I see the deputy leader of the Greens party - the left most political party in the UK - attend a rally in support of the IRGC, am I “bashing” the left when I call them out? Should I not be calling out that behaviour? Edit: and I was replying to a comment that specifically uses their leftism as a monolith to make a point. A point that I addressed specifically in my post.
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Mortimer1234 1 day ago +3
I despise Trump and can’t wish until he’s no longer on this planet. I’m left leaning with my value. I have never voted for the Conservative Party. No part of my comment bashing braindead leftists was to justify Trump’s insanity. No part of me thinks his intentions are just, but merely that he brings the first glimmer of hope of change, even if it’s for selfish reasons. A glimmer of hope doesn’t mean a guarantee. Me being historically on the left is why I’m so passionate about calling out the absolute ass behaviour that the left has been displaying these last few years. While my values have remained the same, I’ve become largely politically homeless because of what many leftists have come to represent. People are so afraid of calling out their own side, as they view it as a personal attack, and instead would rather see their side get corrupted and betray causes they once stood for.
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podkayne3000 1 day ago +1
There are tons of people to the left of Trump who hate Iran’s extremists and are open to hearing practical ideas about taking away Iran’s nukes and defeating Iran. Most of the “leftists” who support Iran’s government (as opposed to the general cause of peace) are probably bots or people sucked in by the bots. But Trump and his people are simply puppets of Putin. Their only real goal is to weaken the United States, not to help Israel, good people in Iran or any other good nation or good group of people. People who oppose Iran need to figure out how to educate and win over people in the middle, on the left and in the sane, free-thinking part of the right, not turn away from decent or potentially decent people and go hang out with the Trumpies.
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Mortimer1234 1 day ago +2
Not everyone who is on “your side but doesn’t align with exactly how you feel” is a bot. This is the issue. People are so incapable of any internal criticism of their own side, that they write off anyone who dissents from their views as a bot. No, they aren’t bots. They are real people. Real extremists. I’ve met these assholes in real lives. They are not bots, or mossad agents, or false flags, or whatever else you people like to claim they are. They are people who think they align with you, and will never be properly called out by people like you, because you’ve made you entire political leaning your identity, and that would mean having to accept some uncomfortable truths about some people on the left. I’m not talking about Trump and his people. I hate them as well. But I seriously struggle to see the difference between the MAGA crowd and those that you claim are “just bots”, despite them being very real. Nobody here is “hanging out with the Trumpies”. At least I’m not. You’re just projecting, and have insecurities about being unable to criticize extreme leftists without always having to bring up Trump.
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Illustrious_Mail1171 2 days ago +32
Exactly. We are not in support of Iran's government. And we are now not in support of isreal government. We want the current idiot in office to actually do anything to help the average non billionaire person in america
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monkeybawz 2 days ago +8
Plus..... Stop all the murder.
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Bitter_Tea442 2 days ago -2
The deaths would have stopped long ago if Iran and its puppet states stopped breaking ceasefires.
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harsh2k5 2 days ago -5
You spelled Israel wrong.
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Bitter_Tea442 2 days ago +27
Hezbollah broke the most recent ceasefire on May 11, 2026.
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MassiveCollision 2 days ago +21
Ehhh, many many leftists actually cheer on the IRGC. Celebrate it's successes, kills and geopolitical wins. It really pains me as a leftist.
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zenbowman 1 day ago +5
100%. If you look deeper into their beliefs, you'll find that they view the world in a very good-vs-evil frame, in one sense they are very similar to neoconservatives, except they believe that Israel/Saudi are the "bad guys" and Iran are the "good guys". They still want to continue the politics of vengeance, they just want to direct the vengeance towards who they think is bad. What we really need to do is unwind America's ability to police the world altogether, because as long as it exists it will **always be misused.**
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Mortimer1234 1 day ago +2
I think once upon a time it was good vs evil framework. Now I believe it’s oppressed vs oppressor. Anyone that they deem as oppressed (even if they often get it wrong) is given carte Blanche to commit any and every atrocity they want. If they believe a group is oppressed, that group is free to be a homophobic as they want. Free to commit horrible crimes directed at women. Free to slaughter innocents in the country of their “oppressor”. Free to literally do anything in the minds of these leftists. They’re so mixed up, it’s not even funny. Any sense of them being progressive has gone out the window. They’ve gone the complete opposite direction at this point
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zenbowman 1 day ago +1
Yup, hence the cheerleading for Ukraine and the DPRK on some hard left sublistnooks.
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ArCovino 2 days ago -8
lol no it’s not just that. Leftists regularly defend the actions and alliances of the Iranian government.
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xterminatr 2 days ago +10
Bullshit false equivalence, disagreeing with starting a pointless war that kills thousands of civilians and harms the entire world economy is not the same as supporting the other side. We just think maybe instead of blowing shit up and killing people we should pursue further diplomacy, which had already been working.
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ArCovino 2 days ago -1
I’m not talking about “disagreeing with starting a pointless war” I’m talking about leftists that actively gargling Putin and IRCG balls for the last 15 years before this war ever started.
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xterminatr 2 days ago +5
So, you're talking about nobody then, because either you don't understand what leftist means or you're incredibly ignorant.
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zenbowman 1 day ago +1
It depends. There is a wide range of beliefs on the left. I agree that most mainstream Democrats agree with your view, as do I. But there is a segment of the left that do see the world in more good and evil terms, and see Iran as brave anti-imperialists (ignoring its actions domestically and even abroad - e.g. in Syria). The distinguishing factor is what they believe should be done with sanctions. I'm of the opinion that we have horribly overused sanctions and need to wind down the sanctions regime, because they are frequently used to cause mass economic violence, and as long as we keep it in place, the GOP will abuse it horribly whenever they take power. But there's a section of the left that absolutely wants to keep it in place and just use it to target their enemies (i.e. lifting the sanctions on Iran and just sanction Saudi and Israel instead). The best position is anti-interventionism across the board IMO.
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jayhat 1 day ago +1
Just being against them but against any kind if intervention does f*** all. THey are not just going to willingly change.
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Accomplished-Mix-745 2 days ago +11
I don’t know why I’m bothering to fight you, but here’s my issue with what you’re saying. I strongly dislike the \*government\* of Iran. I have few issues with the \*people\* of Iran. Our sanctions and military actions since trump’s first presidency have disproportionally affected the people of Iran and haven’t removed the government. We are the reason that the uprising happened which helped put the ayatollah there in the first place. Iran had a functioning democracy we overthrew, which then was overthrown by the forces that formed the government we see today. That happened in part due to anger at Americans for our actions. To then go out and claim that the solution to this decades long problem is \*more\* us intervention is insane. You can’t have that opinion without completely disregarding history. Before you point out how bad the government is there and how there are terrorists living there, some estimates put 1/3 of the human population as living under some kind of authoritarian regime; and over 66 countries have had some form of terrorist activity leading to death since 2024. Are we planning to invade all of those places? No? Then why Iran? What makes them so special?
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Sad-Excitement9295 1 day ago +3
You already know, but I'll post it for those who don't: oil, location, and Israeli radicals.
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PerfectZeong 2 days ago +8
How is blowing up a school full of girls helping the Iranian people? Trump isn't going to remove the current government, he's already given up on that.
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jayhat 1 day ago +2
People on listnook supporting Iran of all countries is so f****** weird. A lot of those supporting them would probably be executed by Iran.
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DRagonforce1993 2 days ago +5
No new wars, idfaf what your reason is to invade and attack Iran is
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Mortimer1234 2 days ago +2
I’m sure you don’t care, entitled American
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Single-Refuse174 2 days ago +5
Oh shut the hell up dude. Everything you said is delusion. No one cares what a basement dwelling moron says about anything, people don’t dismiss how bad the Iranian regime is. What people are dismissing is this White House, this administration’s, and Republicans, generally, pearl clutching over Iran. That entire sector of American polity lacks any and all credibility and no amount of despotism anywhere can act as a counterweight to their bullshit let alone justify a war the status of which they are lying through their teeth about. It’s so f****** EXHAUSTING seeing people decry regular americans as “basement dwelling leftists” when it’s maga brained morons and the republican party that has destroyed any and all American legitimacy. Like the fact that I have to constantly hear the least productive people of the country mouth breathe about “they cant even define what a woman is” while public lands are being pilfered, gas prices are back to an all time high for no good f****** reason and Trump and his billionaire friends have enriched themselves 10 fold in a matter of months while the rest of us are effectively poorer is enough to pull what’s left of my hair out.
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mosswick 1 day ago +1
Iranians make up less than 0.5% of the US population. Is the rest of the country not allowed to have a say in going to war?
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Mortimer1234 1 day ago +1
Of course they can. What they can’t do is speak over Iranians, and wrongfully tell us what Iranians do and don’t want, despite Iranians telling them to shut the f*** and… stop speaking over them
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mothtoalamp 1 day ago +1
Coming to the conclusion that leftists are to blame after seeing a right-wing party cause all the damage is indeed a take. Are some leftists dumb for supporting Iran because they're dogmatic about their opinion on Israel? Yeah, sure. Does that make the right-wingers somehow correct and/or intelligent? F****** lol no. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Mortimer1234 1 day ago +1
Go ahead and point out in my comment where I claimed right-wingers were right and/or correct. My values strongly lean left, but f*** what “leftists” have become. Specifically the far-left. My values remain the same, but I no longer want to associate with those terrorist-loving antisemites. They aren’t nearly as progressive as they like to think they are. In fact, they have more in common with the far right than they’d like to admit
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mothtoalamp 15 hr ago
If true (which at this point I doubt, but anything's possible) leftist infighting primarily benefits Republicans. You can call out hypocrisy, but if you're not doing it constructively then you're part of the problem.
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platasnatch 2 days ago -17
Oh due tell where you got your PHD in geopolitics.
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Mortimer1234 2 days ago +18
Oh that’s my f****** bad. I forgot that “listening the f****** Iranians instead of people with zero connection to Iran” requires a degree in geopolitics! What an insanely smart and well thought out take, lil’ guy!
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Winter_Swan5104 2 days ago +6
So, the rightists are going to topple the current Iranian government and save the Iranian people from tyranny? Is that our goal there? Come on now. It is clear to everyone Trump doesn’t want to fully commit and at this point he just wants to open the Straight of Hormuz because gas prices affecting public sentiment.
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Mortimer1234 2 days ago +8
Yes, I’m well aware. And one of the main complaint from Iranians is that he’s NOT committing more. The whole point is that they want this intervention. They aren’t stupid. They know he’s not well-intentioned. But if his selfish goals means an ounce of hope for their freedom, they’ll take it. Because, once again, the alternative is continuing to live under their oppressive regime with no hope of freedom. What people in the west don’t seem to comprehend is the desperation that these people feel, feeling like there’s no other options, and reluctantly accepting any glimmer of hope that they can grasp. They wanted the intervention WAY earlier, while the regime was mowing them down in the streets. They want more intervention now, as protesters continue to be executed. So many sheltered, privileged people who lack the understanding of what the Iranian people are going through, and the conflicting feelings they have.
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observemedia 2 days ago +3
I’ve read all your replies and this was the only one that has a good foundation for an argument. Honestly, you make some good points but the lashing out at “leftists” really clouds your objective of the statement you are trying to make. Only a very small percentage of the left have conflating their extreme distaste of the Israeli and American regimes in power right now, to that of a vocal support of Iran (and its current regime) The intervention of this magnitude should have come with a plan. Any plan would have been better for everyone than the current going ons. There was no plan by the Americans or Israelis to make Iranian lives better. The intervention needed to have a coalition with Iranians. Full stop. I too have many Iranian friends, in Canada at that… and yes they are conflicted. The regime needed to go, but not so ham fisted and with such consequences for the world and the Iranian people. My take on it. I’d focus on the above argument, instead of insulting people though.
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Mortimer1234 2 days ago +4
My lashing out at leftists is the outcome of leftists being so far up their own entitled asses that they’re incapable of discussing anything with an ounce of nuance. I should clarify, when I say leftists, I’m referring to the far-left and the most outspoken of them. I, myself, have ALWAYS very very much leaned left. And despite my gripes with what “leftists” have become, I haven’t betrayed my left-leaning values. You say it’s a small percentage, but that small percentage is the loudest and the most influential, and very rarely challenged by the large percentage (the silent majority) who doesn’t feel that way. I’m sure you, like I did, saw the absolute silence from the left back in January when Iranian were being mowed down in the streets. Yet, now they suddenly claim to care? I agree there should be a plan. There’s multiple truths. I agree with everything you said in that paragraph. I am also in Canada, and yes, the conflicting feelings are real. I’m happy to focus on that with those, such as yourself, who are willing to have a reasonable debate. But most have “anti-capitalist”, “anti-intervention”, “anti-imperialism”, “anti” whatever shoved so far down their throats, that they’re willing to sacrifice Iranians to stands behind their blanket “all intervention is bad” statement. Progressives have become very… non-progressive these days, it seems.
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WillDigForFood 2 days ago +2
Oh, the Trump administration triiiiiied to smuggle weapons to the Kurds to spark an internal uprising - but nothing happened, because the Iranian Kurds remembered what happened to the Syrian Kurds during the last Trump administration. Wrong president, wrong time. No one is going to trust this man to commit and follow through with meaningful support for regime change.
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DaBails 2 days ago +6
Sounds like youre making up stuff to get mad at. No one supports the Iranian government or is saying nice things about them. Whatever happened to no new wars? So you are big into listening to the Iranians? Maybe we shouldn't be bombing their infrastructure and killing their children!
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Mortimer1234 2 days ago +11
Find me the Iranians who don’t support the regime, but are still crying out against this war Meanwhile, across the world, rallies hit the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS in attendance to support intervention and rally against the regime. But no no no. You, with no connection whatsoever to Iran, are right. It’s the Iranians who are wrong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iranian_diaspora_protests Keep speaking over them, privileged, entitled, white saviour https://www.iranintl.com/en/202601170036
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DaBails 2 days ago +12
Do you even know how to read? It's like you have no idea what I said and replied to something else.
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Mortimer1234 2 days ago +7
Do you know how to f****** read? You talked about listening to Iranians means not going to war with them. I pointed out that, outside of Iranians that support the regime, the vast majority support US intervention, and provided evidence. If you’re illiterate, that’s ok. Just let me know next time so I know who I’m responding to
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Mortimer1234 2 days ago +10
If clouds is synonymous with braindead people, then ya As much as I appreciate a good Simpsons quote, a sane, rational, constructive thought would be appreciated as well. But I’m guessing you aren’t capable of that
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Rehberkintosh 2 days ago +4
If you don't count the people that disagree with me then 100% of people agree with me.
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DaBails 2 days ago +5
No. You tried to say Americans support the Iranian regime. So, these Iranians support the US dropping bombs on their children?
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iminiki 2 days ago +98
Who tf is celebrating this news?
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xmuskorx 2 days ago +269
iran executing random people to terrorize the population.
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xmuskorx 2 days ago +78
the modern politics of "I hate trump therefore Iran's regime is awesome' is truly pathetic. trumps come and go Iranian evil regime has been Around for decades and decades
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Ill_Cancel4937 2 days ago +20
More like… Trump rip up nuclear deal with Iran, and no get better deal, then he say no mote war, then do war, war not working, still no deal, we pay price of war, war have no end in sight. This is dumb. But yea the way you worded it was very honest…
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xmuskorx 2 days ago +4
Trump sucks but the deal was joke. Iran could continue enrichment and could continue funding terrorism/ drug dealing groups like Hezbollah while getting financial findfall. what exactly was the deal supposed to achieve other than propping up evil Iranian regime in return for nothing substantive
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Leezeebub 2 days ago +21
The “financial windfall” was an easing of sanctions and the gradual return of seized assets. This was in return for regular inspections to ensure they werent enriching to the levels of nukes, which they were abiding by. It also served the function of beginning to normalise relations with Iran so that when the 10 year treaty was up, a new one could be formed. Even if it hadnt worked and iran started working on nukes the moment it ended, they would still be 8 years from the point they are at now. Tearing up the treaty served absolutely nobody and it was much better value than the current situation.
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xmuskorx 2 days ago -6
so financial windfall. easing sanctions for what? to prop a regime to continue to enrich and find terror? normalize what? enrichment and terror? great plan.
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Leezeebub 2 days ago +10
Like the other guy said, you cant make changes like this over night, and unfortunately this was never given the chance to work. Hows the current “great plan” working out?
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Ill_Cancel4937 2 days ago +3
Maybe just maybe deals of substance don’t materialize overnight when hostilities have been going for 5 decades. Obama viewed the deal as a starting point a de-thawing of relations, to be built on by future presidents over time. When viewed thru that lens it was pretty historic. And maybe could have worked helping Iran build its economy up and encouraging new power structures to emerge with different incentives for cooperation with the IRGC. We know the sanction/war route doesn’t work maybe we should try diplomacy.
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xmuskorx 2 days ago +9
he was wrong. you can't thaw anything by propping an evil regime that continues to enrich and fund terror. it's like Chamberlain "peace in our time" move. trying to appease evil.
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uknownix 2 days ago +3
The regime was failing slowly because of western influence and Obamas deal. It was going to fail from within over 10y, Obama was sowing dissent and opening the country up, resulting in uprising that was growing year on year... All Trump did was solidify the theocracy for another 50y and created generations of jihadists. The world will be feeling the repercussions for decades. And his mates prosper while the USA and world pay.
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Obvious-Leopard6823 2 days ago +8
People also thought China was going to liberalize after we reached a bunch of trade deals in the 90s, instead the regime solidified their position and oppression. I'm not saying this outcome you describe is impossible, just that it was far from a certain thing.
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xmuskorx 2 days ago +7
Obamas deal was a lifeline that gave billions of dollars to prop up the regime in exchange for nothing.
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Ill_Cancel4937 2 days ago +2
Well when Trump’s deal does the same thing + making our lives worse via cost of living. I would prefer Obama’s deal over that.
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SporksInjected 1 day ago +1
This is just not reality. Giving billions in contracts shouldn’t weaken any regime.
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baseketball 2 days ago +9
\> the modern politics of "I hate trump therefore Iran's regime is awesome' is truly pathetic. Complete strawman Iran regime is bad. Trump is bad. People who make up shit to defend Trump's stupidity is what is truly pathetic.
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isaacfisher 2 days ago +6
"Everyone is equally bad" is a broken moral compass. Trump is bad, you might argue he is taking the US to a worst direction but in term of "worst" Iran is in way way way far ahead in the road
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DenseReality6089 2 days ago -1
Trump - bad Iran - bad Mossad spy - bad Iran kill mossad spy - good Trump start war with iran - bad Iran slap Trump around for doing stupid war - good Iran make fun of idiot maga regime - good Its really not that difficult to understand the average listnook opinion
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DaBails 2 days ago +10
It's ok to make fun of Trump and his incompetence. It is ok to realize that Trump is lying day in and day out and to laugh at Iran for calling out his obvious lies. None of that means support for Iran
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Leezeebub 2 days ago +14
No they arent. Just laughing at trumps latest self-inflicted failure and humiliation. Thats not remotely the same as supporting Iran…
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mcdj 2 days ago +19
I do not like hornets. But I’m not going to go out of my way into the woods to find one of their nests and smash it. That doesn’t mean I support hornets.
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SporksInjected 1 day ago +2
Now imagine the hornets are actively saying they’re going to kill you and are building up the tools to do it. Would you still ignore the hornets?
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I_Like_Eggs123 2 days ago +8
This is such a lazy take. Anybody with a brain knows the Iranian regime is evil and treats their people horribly. I think that we generally support eliminating the regime completely and saving these people from tyrannical rule. We just don't trust that this is Trump's goal too.
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Mortimer1234 2 days ago +8
Iranians don’t believe he’s doing it for them, either. They just see some hope that in Trump’s selfish ambitions, which, it benefits him to get rid of the regime, they’ll see freedom. Even if he has selfish reasons for destroying the Iranian regime, they just care about the results. And until now, there’s been zero ounce of hope, so they’ll take what they can get, despite it being far from ideal. People in the west just don’t feel or understand their desperation, nor do they care, and instead insist on pushing their own agendas while speaking over those who are actually living over there (or have family over there)
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soggyarsonist 2 days ago +10
Bit of a stretch
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Frequently_lucky 2 days ago +4
>most of the Listnook community is supporting. Source?
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djflamingo 2 days ago +5
Its gays for Palestine all over again.
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JulianPaagman 2 days ago +4
I am still yet to see anyone anywhere on Listnook support Iran.
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mentallyhandicapable 2 days ago +6
Same but World News thinks otherwise. Literally everywhere is hating on Iran but not excusing what Isreal and America are doing. Anyway this will be -10 or lower soon. Toodles.
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Mortimer1234 2 days ago +4
Must be your first day here
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JulianPaagman 2 days ago +2
Can you link a comment? Should be easy if most if listnook supposedly supports Iran.
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Delicious-Injury-106 2 days ago +2
Saying the US is wrong doesn't mean that someone thinks Iran is right. In fact, I'd say most people are against both the American and Iranian regimes.
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cheesaremorgia 2 days ago +2
Listnook is not supporting them. You are making up a platform-wide consensus to get mad at. Engage with real people’s arguments.
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sideways_wrx_ 2 days ago +64
Amid tensions. You mean amid a war. This notion that this is now anything less than a war that the united states started is laughable and seems like an attempt to downplay the whole war aspect. Edit:words
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enterjiraiya 2 days ago +12
it’s not a war by the way we talk about things like this nowadays. Compare this to the gulf war and it falls far short, it’s more in line with the Grenada or Panama operations but taking longer to eventually resolve bc Trumps a f****** idiot.
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sideways_wrx_ 1 day ago +9
Hmm I mean if we really want to get down to it on our side its an extended bombing campaign. But then you get down to iran striking us bases and assets outside of iran which puts it very much into the war category for me. Then from Iran's side with their leadership being killed and bombs falling from the skies for a couple weeks to them its a full blown war. Then you bring in the global aspect of the straight being shutdown for weeks on end and fsr reaching affects of that and I would say once again this is definitely a war. War doesnt have to be soldiers slogging it out on the ground for it to be war in my book I look at how far the affects of the conflict reach and when its affecting almost the whole world in one way or another lets just call it what is a war. This whole thing is one series of trumps stupid actions hand held by Israel.
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4862skrrt2684 1 day ago +4
Just the russian playbook. Keep calling it a special operation for years, and then boil the frog until its a war
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labasdila 2 days ago +62
Not new for them executing their own
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TheDuckFarm 2 days ago +17
The older I get, the less I understand killing, and even violence for that matter.
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surg3on 1 day ago +6
In a pure accounting sense its a terrible waste of resources.
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iwannasee_ 1 day ago +2
Iranian regime has been hell on its people while the leaders take money out of the country for themselves and their kids!
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James_Larkin1913 2 days ago -12
That is what tends to happen to hostile agents during wartime, yes.
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Piggywonkle 2 days ago +20
Not in the majority of countries on Earth today.
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therealgreatness26 2 days ago +12
Love to see you taking the regime news as a matter of fact. Did you know if you protest in Iran you are also considered “enemy of god” or Mohareb… lol
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