Iran executes alleged Mossad spy Erfan Shakourzadeh amid Israel-US tensions

I’m certainly not on Iran’s side here, but I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if plenty of those accused of being spies are, in fact, spies. Iran clearly has a problem with spies, as evidenced by the fact that Israel and the USA have been able to do such precision strikes (eg: the Ayatollah hit).

Stopping Iran from getting nukes and ending the evil theocracy are the right intentions and goals.

MAGA believed and voted for that (no new wars) as well until their leader decided to start a war. They now believe that it is cool and good that we’re in a war with Iran.

Listnook is already left of centre, what is considered left wing on listnook would be far-left to your man on the street. The priority here being shitting on the US and 'western imperialism' at any given opportunity, anything beyond that is a distraction. We're talking complete selective blindness, blinkered to Iranian atrocities at best, lowkey excusing them at worst. The Hasan brigade The commenter above talking about the diasporas is spot on, these are very often genuine refugees that managed to flee, and the leftists dismiss them as privelaged, out of touch, disingenous etc. Venezuela a recent case in point. Idiots were compelled to dunk on them because they celebrated something Trump did

And “leftists” highlight their ignorance of the entire region, and the cultural context of Iran when they point it all on the US. Iran has a strong national cohesion amongst all of its ethnicities and a pre-theocratic government that the people haven’t forgotten. Iranian culture withstood arabisation and islamification. Arab imperialism and conquest is why the entire Middle East has been homogenised as Arab, and had a lot of their ethnic groups eradicated, and the language has become Arabic. Within Iran, there are azeris, rashtis, lurs, baluchis, mazandaranis, Kurds, and many more ethnicities and they all share one thing in common - they are first and foremost Iranian. Even our language is not Arabic. Our culture is not Islamic. This is because we have thousands of years of culture prior to the advent of islam, which is far more pertinent and reflective of general modern Iranian culture than islam is. In the Middle East, the replacement of one islamic government paves the way for another flavour of islamic government because islam is so fundamentally amalgamated with Arabism, but because of Iranian culture, history, and the current inhuman occupation by the regime - that will not be the case. In occupied Iran, firstly the calls for external military intervention and the begging of the invocation of R2P came from the population itself. Secondly, there’s a unified front against the islamic regime and a push to install a secular democracy. Thirdly, there are people in place and a whole cohesive roadmap that aims to stabilise the country in the immediate fall of the regime in order to give people the opportunity to vote for their future mode of governance. If you’re interested, you can read the Iran Prosperity Project. Iran is nothing like the rest of the Middle East, and when “leftists” compare it to the rest of the Middle East in order to oppose US intervention, they don’t come across as intellectuals who are drawing on past history to make their conclusion and oppose further devastation; they are coming across as ignorant racists who are speaking over actual Iranian people in a sanctimonious way that groups us all in with the “brown islamic Middle East”, whilst ignoring the history, culture, and most importantly will and voice of Iranian people.

Exactly. We are not in support of Iran's government. And we are now not in support of isreal government. We want the current idiot in office to actually do anything to help the average non billionaire person in america

Ehhh, many many leftists actually cheer on the IRGC. Celebrate it's successes, kills and geopolitical wins. It really pains me as a leftist.

lol no it’s not just that. Leftists regularly defend the actions and alliances of the Iranian government.

It depends. There is a wide range of beliefs on the left. I agree that most mainstream Democrats agree with your view, as do I. But there is a segment of the left that do see the world in more good and evil terms, and see Iran as brave anti-imperialists (ignoring its actions domestically and even abroad - e.g. in Syria). The distinguishing factor is what they believe should be done with sanctions. I'm of the opinion that we have horribly overused sanctions and need to wind down the sanctions regime, because they are frequently used to cause mass economic violence, and as long as we keep it in place, the GOP will abuse it horribly whenever they take power. But there's a section of the left that absolutely wants to keep it in place and just use it to target their enemies (i.e. lifting the sanctions on Iran and just sanction Saudi and Israel instead). The best position is anti-interventionism across the board IMO.

Just being against them but against any kind if intervention does f*** all. THey are not just going to willingly change.

You already know, but I'll post it for those who don't: oil, location, and Israeli radicals.

I’m sure you don’t care, entitled American

Of course they can. What they can’t do is speak over Iranians, and wrongfully tell us what Iranians do and don’t want, despite Iranians telling them to shut the f*** and… stop speaking over them

Go ahead and point out in my comment where I claimed right-wingers were right and/or correct. My values strongly lean left, but f*** what “leftists” have become. Specifically the far-left. My values remain the same, but I no longer want to associate with those terrorist-loving antisemites. They aren’t nearly as progressive as they like to think they are. In fact, they have more in common with the far right than they’d like to admit

Oh that’s my f****** bad. I forgot that “listening the f****** Iranians instead of people with zero connection to Iran” requires a degree in geopolitics! What an insanely smart and well thought out take, lil’ guy!

More like… Trump rip up nuclear deal with Iran, and no get better deal, then he say no mote war, then do war, war not working, still no deal, we pay price of war, war have no end in sight. This is dumb. But yea the way you worded it was very honest…

\> the modern politics of "I hate trump therefore Iran's regime is awesome' is truly pathetic. Complete strawman Iran regime is bad. Trump is bad. People who make up shit to defend Trump's stupidity is what is truly pathetic.

Trump - bad Iran - bad Mossad spy - bad Iran kill mossad spy - good Trump start war with iran - bad Iran slap Trump around for doing stupid war - good Iran make fun of idiot maga regime - good Its really not that difficult to understand the average listnook opinion

Now imagine the hornets are actively saying they’re going to kill you and are building up the tools to do it. Would you still ignore the hornets?

Iranians don’t believe he’s doing it for them, either. They just see some hope that in Trump’s selfish ambitions, which, it benefits him to get rid of the regime, they’ll see freedom. Even if he has selfish reasons for destroying the Iranian regime, they just care about the results. And until now, there’s been zero ounce of hope, so they’ll take what they can get, despite it being far from ideal. People in the west just don’t feel or understand their desperation, nor do they care, and instead insist on pushing their own agendas while speaking over those who are actually living over there (or have family over there)

Same but World News thinks otherwise. Literally everywhere is hating on Iran but not excusing what Isreal and America are doing. Anyway this will be -10 or lower soon. Toodles.

Must be your first day here