Well it is almost Monday so gotta get the market to react positively.
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Broccobillo1 day ago
+35
Holy. It's now 18:30 on Monday for me.
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Non_Linguist1 day ago
+17
You in Middle Earth?
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jh808911 day ago
+11
Bro all you have to decide is what to do with the time that's given too you. Duh
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Jest_out_for_a_Rip1 day ago
+3
Is the working theory that Iran is trying to cause the stock market to go up in the United States? Possibly in coordination with the Trump admin?
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OpenDaCloset1 day ago
+354
I hate Donald Trump, I hate the Iranian government. I’m tired. The End!
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Aritter6641 day ago
+27
What do I do when everyone sucks?
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manachar1 day ago
+22
Figure out the causes and conditions of everyone sucking and work to solve them.
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Black_Moons1 day ago
+16
Pretty sure someone tried that yesterday.
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gamas1 day ago
+3
Eh to be honest the US really needs to realise it's problems neither begin nor end at Trump. Trump didn't arise out of a vacuum, he came out of a deep seated rot in US society.
My biggest fear is that the US Democrat seriously think the problem goes away with Trump, and upon regaining power will just continue business as usual as if nothing happened. Then act shocked when next election a new Trump like figure appears and wins.
My worse fear is that the Democrats are complicit - as the tone of the main party is less shock at the US' actions but the manner Trump is carrying them out. Less concern about what the US is doing rather than the manner in which Trump talks about it. The silence has been deafening with regard to how the Democrats have responded to this war. The fact Biden kept the immigration internment camps was the first sign of that.
Edit: Like its the same naivety as the Venezuelans and Iranians who thought the US were liberating them. Toppling the head of the government is meaningless if the forces that put them there still exist.
Edit 2: Incidentally it's why i get so annoyed at how Israel handles the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Yes, Hamas are a terrorist group whose views are radicalised beyond the pale, but the basic root for extremism in the Palestinian community is a belief that Israel steals their homeland and murders their people. Trying to 'eliminate' Hamas by flattening and occupying half of Gaza is the most counterproductive approach ever - as you are just creating more Palestinians with a visceral hatred of Israel and want to see it burn. Like what Israel does is equivalent to if the UK tried to stop IRA attacks by nuking Ireland.
Everyone on this planet seems to always think the solution is violence when diplomacy and willingness to compromise would achieve better long term results.
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jabba-thederp1 day ago
+7
And it's actually not that hard to do the little things that add up to huge change over the long run. But the current day doomerism propaganda would have one believe *"it's not worth it and the change would be outpaced by evil blah blah blah chronically online slop*"
People need to realize coalition building in local politics is the clearest path to change.
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nissen15021 day ago
+5
You confuse realism with doomerism. Your naivety to think you can just get into politics and make any large scale change is unsettling. The issues stem from the politicians being corrupt and it all being a friends and family group. Good luck getting in there talking about stuff that will help the regular person and not the elite.
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jabba-thederp1 day ago
I know people doing the work and am witnessing it happen live. It's easy for you to say all that when the only thing you do is complain on social media, but maybe things aren't as bleak as these "friends and family" groups make them seem? Stop falling for their propaganda.
Obviously you don't just talk about stuff. It's about action. It's not like "hey guys I'm Karen I'm the new girl and let me lay out my personal agenda it includes lowering our own salaries as well as pushing for ranked choice voting, better worker protections, and unionizing the local government offices!✌️😁Hugs and kisses!" Like no what the f***??? Obviously not. Not sure why u strawman me as if I'm saying to just walk in and lay it all out. You go slow, finesse your way in. Talk to like minded people. Convince your candidate to answer the phone personally. Tell them what ads are cringe and turning away voters. Persuade people to stop purity testing and get together as a coalition. And of course, convince people to let go of the hopelessness and, instead, to act. The little things that turn YOU into a power player. You wouldn't know, evidently. What do you do come election season to make the country better? What accredited institutions have you donated to and volunteered for? What workers have you personally helped through crisis?
You just came here to argue a strawman in your head because I struck a nerve in you. You *do* understand that you feeling hopeless about making large scale local change is YOUR perspective right? And people can have different perspectives? This brainrot populist framing of "good luck it's all elite corruption in every level of politics in all 3,143 counties and every last one of the people in them is bad because the Internet told me so" is EXACTLY what got MAGA elected and appealed to them. It's EXACTLY what got them to blindly follow their own elected Republicans and trust that every last thing they do is the right thing.
Sure you're entitled to your depressing perspective unfortunately but I'm speaking on the actual reality that I've witnessed factually, while you just come and insult my intelligence, call me naive and confused, condescend to me, and then patronize me with a "good luck" without even explaining *why* you're right. You ok? I get it. Shit can feel dark. Don't take it out on your fellow citizen what the f***?
You can keep complaining while I first hand witness people making the country a better place. It's a thankless job after all. But don't spread the Elite's propaganda under the guise of "I'm just being realistic here and we're all fucked so let's just roll over and take it." I know people that will have made your life better personally in 6 years and you'll still be complaining and not even recognizing it. On their behalf, you're welcome.
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Haru1st1 day ago
+3
Vote against the worst option. Keep voting against the worst option until someone that matters actually gets a clue.
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HoratioPornBlower1 day ago
+1
Become radical.
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Blitzdrive16 hr ago
+1
Get drafted
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sswihart1 day ago
+32
This.
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rednova20061 day ago
+11
Is.
11
Zombie41411 day ago
+8
The
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Republiconline1 day ago
+13
End
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ZappyZane1 day ago
+9
Exclamation mark
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SugarBallz_1 day ago
+4
Is it?
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quaste1 day ago
+4
Well, have a nap.
THEN FIRE ZE MISSILES
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Shadow17871 day ago
+2
I’m le tired.
Such a throw back. Can we go back to new grounds? When I didn’t hate myself and the world?
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Haru1st1 day ago
+3
That’s it, get nice and tired before the midterms, join the third of Americans who elected Trump through absenteeism.
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National-Two24171 day ago
+27
What's worse is Trumps making bank on this war, now he prolly thinks he can make more with another conflict.
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ZappyZane1 day ago
+14
Hmmm.... invade the Falkland Islands, look at all the wins:
- pick on small(er) country
- need to de-nuclearerise [sic] them
- split/leave NATO
- new place for a mighty biggle USA base
- or give to friend for bouns points (undisclosed billions into personal account)
- declare peace = ~~7~~ ~~12~~ ~~24~~ 30 places made peace-d = Nobel guaranteed!
Because the UK is so weak, it'll probably only take two weeks max to get teh win.
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taisui1 day ago
+30
And remember Trump created this shit because Obama had a nuclear deal
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MikeisET1 day ago
+15
And none of this would have happened if trump wasn’t a pedophile
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TheNewGildedAge1 day ago
+7
No, it probably would have.
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Amazing_Athlete_22651 day ago
+9
Well he is, and the US still voted him in
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ohhhbooyy1 day ago
+1
That’s 24/7 news for you.
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_GD5_1 day ago
+1
Well it has to drag out through the elections…
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BusterOfCherry1 day ago
+1
Well trump stuck his d*** in crazy.
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Traditional-Oil-68911 day ago
+181
It says in the article that Trump wants to continue the blockade until Iran caves to his demands. I would take this news with a grain of salt.
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aaazzzdeeeduuulaaa1 day ago
+30
This timeline is too f****** stupid to make predictions...
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uMunthu1 day ago
+17
He obviously wants a grandiose capitulation from the Iranians so he aliment is permanent circus. Meanwhile, the Iranians are trying to establish long term deterrence and save face. The US has no more pressure levers, no allies to back them up and Iran is holding on. This is dead end and the shit show will drag on. I am positively furious that the world has to endure this d*ck head
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DemosthenesOrNah1 day ago
+3
> Meanwhile, the Iranians are trying to establish long term deterrence
It reminds me of the scene in enders game (the book version) where Ender fights the bully at school in..such a way that he 'wins all future fights' too.
He basically horrified the onlookers to such an extent and did so much damage to the kid that Ender prevented those 'future fights' by treating that fight as the existential crisis that it was.
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NetQvist1 day ago
+4
Art of the Deal is at it again.... Blackmail, threats and if that doesn't work TACO time!
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edm4un1 day ago
+645
Ahh yes markets open tomorrow, just in time.
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xmuskorx1 day ago
+176
It's like IRAN learned to manipulate the markets....
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shes_a_gdb1 day ago
+61
At this point the market doesn't really react to this anymore. Everyone (on listnook) expected it to crash last Monday, yet it didn't. The algorithms don't care about Iran news anymore.
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UnknownHero21 day ago
+16
I have a rule for listnook. Listnook never knows what the market did.
Not will do. Did.
Like they literally cannot be bothered to look up the change and just make shit up. Everyone should get in the habit of checking every stock price reference they see on listnook.
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NecklaceDePerlas1 day ago
+22
Sounds like it's time to find *new green lands.*
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DouglasRather1 day ago
+2
I would disagree. Go look what happened to the futures market when this was announced. The SPY ran up around three dollars in the next two hours after the announcement.
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Comfortable-Title7201 day ago
+30
They have the Trump cards lol. Possibly the largest stake on global evens right now. Massive leverage. Trump is too stupid to back down and is now dragging it out.
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Mac629611 day ago
+4
I wouldnt say that, the closed straight is only going to piss the world off more and more
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imperial1s1 day ago
+14
True. But the world is blaming Trump.
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UnoriginalStanger1 day ago
+3
The world is blaming Trump but eventually that might give way for more practical concerns. Though Trump spending years burning good will isn't helping him out now.
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MEWilliams1 day ago
+5
The US is ALSO blockading the strait.
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pepperino1321 day ago
+3
Yes but for Iran it's existential. The US are the ones who created the problem.
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sharp11flat131 day ago
+2
Well, they certainly know how to manipulate Trump. They’ve put him in a no-win dilemma here. If he takes the deal gas prices come down (eventually) but he looks weak. If he doesn’t take the deal gas prices continue to rise, along with the price of everything else, and he has to continue a very unpopular, expensive war. The Art of the Deal guy is being played like a fiddle. Trump is in way over his head here.
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xmuskorx1 day ago
+6
Meh. Trump is not facing a re election
So what does he care.
Iran economy will collapse faster than US. Possibly. People say "midterms" - but trump does not care about the Republican party...
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lazykid3481 day ago
+45
They too found the infinite money glitch lol
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Bleatmop1 day ago
+8
It only works when the markets respond to the news. Which from what I've heard they don't anymore.
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llorTMasterFlex1 day ago
+3
They still do. Especially in futures and options markets where small moves like .20% or more, move the derivatives up 100% or way more.
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SpontaneousDream1 day ago
+2
Meh, it works until it doesn't.
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sentrypetal1 day ago
+230
Ahhh Axios again. Pumping the market.
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ignatious__reilly1 day ago
+5
And what’s “open” mean?
Does that mean they still control it and charge tolls?
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Not_Campo21 day ago
+101
Axios article means it’s most likely straight from the White House, definitely doubting this a bit
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no_kids-and-3_money1 day ago
+58
I’m going to have see a lot more than “according to a U.S. official” Axios.
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srone1 day ago
+71
Oh, look. The S&P jumped 2 points. I wonder how much Barron the vampire made.
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ChicagoAuPair1 day ago
+8
He never drinks…wine… 🍷🧛♂️
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Any-Interaction60661 day ago
+44
Here come the reports to try and pump the markets. US official says... Think we've heard that one before, but can't be too certain...
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smitbret1 day ago
+12
So, not a real offer then?
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Groovychick19781 day ago
+13
I'm going to rewrite the first sentence so as to not bury the lede.
"According to a U.S. official and two sources with knowledge, Iran gave the U.S. a new proposal to reopen the Strait of Hormuz and end the war, with nuclear negotiations postponed for a later stage."
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Totoques221 day ago
+2
« Later stage »
As if they’ll ever do them
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hillswalker871 day ago
+3
I'm sure Iran would love that but honestly I doubt this is over until they give the nukes up.
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northdancer1 day ago
+32
Barak Ravid, ignore
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hayjay20001 day ago
+6
I was going to say the same thing. But I was going to preface my statement with that.
Because I find the entire 'offer' laughable. I mean, don't get me wrong, I want this war OVER. (I'm in the US.) But this is how this 'offer' comes across: Iran says 'We'll give you opening the strait--with the caveat that we get to control it, toll it and let who want through, oh, and no nuclear talks until later. You give us removing the blockade and ending the war. Like, how is that an 'offer?' it's basically EXACTLY what Iran has been saying for weeks now. The US gets nothing in return. There's no compromise.
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Stuckinthesandbox1 day ago
+14
Axios and Barak Ravid have 0 integrity. I’d trust TMZ as a news outlet more.
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WideCoconut22301 day ago
+6
It's a blockade surrounded by another blockade.
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machopsychologist1 day ago
+2
Caesar did this at Alesia I think?
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DateMasamusubi1 day ago
+20
Expect to see more confusion from both sides per public remarks. But that is the nature of politics and diplomacy when both sides have differing objectives.
The US proposal is surprisingly generous to Iran and my understanding that the key objective is nuclear above proxies and regime and whatnot.
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ShipTheRiver1 day ago
+12
On one side you have the most dishonest and corrupt US administration in history, and on the other side you have a half destroyed, totally fragmented mess of a leadership structure full of people who are either terrorists, terrified for themselves, or both. It’s an impossible situation information-wise. The only thing you can trust is whatever physically changes on the ground over there.
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faffc2601 day ago
+20
all trump wants to do is outdo obama's nuclear deal with his own. he doesn't care about the rest probably, just wants to claim he out did obama. even though we can all see he hasn't..
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Darkone5391 day ago
+5
It's so sad that this is true.
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Nodivingallowed1 day ago
+1
And Trump reportedly had a genuinely better deal before he got involved in this catastrophe. Now Iran can just wait the US out.
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SY01231 day ago
+1
I’m not an expert in this, but what is wrong with a JCPOA-like deal that allows surveillance of all their nuclear activities other than the fact that they will use the funds to further strengthen their grip in the region? The Iranian regime is the problem, not just its nuclear program.
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DateMasamusubi1 day ago
+13
It had its flaws. Observers could not enter military sites and it was set to sunset after a decade or so. The idea was that lifting sanctions would increase funding for Iran's proxies and nuclear enrichment, increasing the cost of conflict in 2030.
In effect, this is what Iran did, bolstering Hizbullah and Houthis in Lebanon and Yemen + proxy militias in Iraq. It aggravated relations with the GCC, notably S.Arabia.
If the global community is committed to a nuclear free world, the idea is to have a zero tolerance, maximalist approach to show other countries what the price of enrichment and arms development would entail.
I can't say which school of thought is correct or not. We have seen Pakistan, India, and North Korea join the nuclear club and it is obvious that more countries with nukes would be a less safe world. Some believe that liberalisation through development is the way, others cite how China has become increasingly authoritarian since ascending to WTO in 2000.
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CryptoThroway82051 day ago
+1
Pakistan and India never allowed IAEA inspectors, Israel banned them before getting nukes, North Korea dgaf and also banned inspectors betting neither China nor the US would invade to stop them. Fair point they weren't allowed to inspect military facilities.
JCPOA was set to sunset but Iran rejected Biden's efforts to renovate them because they wanted assurances 47th wouldn't just rip up the agreement again. It's easy to say screw it and go to war. Negotiations are hard.
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idk788751 day ago
+18
The problem is, we had that and then pulled out in less than a decade. We kinda made it hard to make long term deals with us
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getwhirleddotcom1 day ago
+4
Not just that, we bombed the ever loving shit out of them, killing children and civilians, while in the middle of active re-negotiations.
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ChrisFromIT1 day ago
+3
Yup, just because the re-negotiations were going no where and weren't done fast enough.
It feels like Trump thinks that deals like these are negotiation over a single day. They aren't.
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kal141441 day ago
+8
It’s now apparent we’re not getting regime change without a ground invasion. And we’re not willing to do a ground invasion.
That leaves you with 2 options:
1. Continue war indefinitely with all the associated costs (strait stays closed etc)
2. Accept that you’re not getting regime change and ask for basically the JCPOA.
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NoForm54431 day ago
+2
I'm really amazed at how bombíng a country without provocation can be surprisingly generous, but ... ;)
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ModeatelyIndependant1 day ago
+15
Iran is gonna have to come to fact that no one on the planet outside of the shia militia they fund wants them to have a nuclear weapon. And no matter how much of pedophile rapist piece of shit Trump is, for starting this war. It's not gonna end with favorable conditions for Iran that allow them to continue their nuclear program. They are willing to kill thousands of their own people to stay in power, allowing them nuclear refinement is more idiotic than re-electing trump.
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iamstephen11281 day ago
+7
And yet the stupidity of pulling out of the JCPOA and bombing them into oblivion multiple times while purporting to be negotiating is only supporting the hardliner position that Iran will continue to face existential threats from the US and Israel until it has a nuclear (or similarly effective) deterrent. Anybody who tells you that Iran doesn't come out of this mess in a stronger position relative to that under the JCPOA is delusional
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Davidx911 day ago
+2
“according to a U.S. official and two sources with knowledge.”
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Surfer_Rick1 day ago
+2
Barak Ravid - the chosen journalist for market manipulation and lies
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Solesky11 day ago
+4
Right on schedule, market opens in about 11 hours
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hologeek1 day ago
+4
"Can we just do the Obama thing" Someone in the trump admin asks...
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Explorer3351 day ago
+4
I seem to recall the strait being open before this idiotic war
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viktor721 day ago
+4
The price of gas in my area is actually down. I’m sort of surprised. Not to where it was before the war but it’s down to like 3.37 from a high of 4.15. Are others seeing this? What do you think could be contributing to this because it’s not like the blockade has ended and things are certain again.
I’m not complaining about it, but curious.
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ShamanSix011 day ago
+6
It’s been reported that some States and localities have temporarily lifted their taxes on gas.
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DavidlikesPeace1 day ago
+4
No. I just saw it at $4.30
We will have to see. The market will eventually turn based on reality, not rumors
Market bias favors the president's optimistic statements, but can't outweigh the strait remaining closed.
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A_Nonny_Muse1 day ago
+4
We already had a deal. Trump tore it up because it was made by a black man he hates. A black man wildly more popular than trump, btw. A black man wildly more respected than trump, btw. A black man massively more smooth and refined than trump, btw.
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Hemlock_Pagodas1 day ago
+2
Look up the JCPOA sunset clause. The vast majority of restrictions limiting Iran Nuclear capabilities would have expired in 2025. It did nothing to prevent the current situation.
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Raychao1 day ago
+2
Mission Accomplished.
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deepfinker1 day ago
-3
So basically back to before orange idiot started bombing Iran?
-3
External_Counter3781 day ago
+6
Not gonna bring khameni sr back to life
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SneakyFire231 day ago
+4
Not exactly a net loss for the world here
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StupendousMan19951 day ago
+1
pump pump pump
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This_Acanthisitta_431 day ago
+3
I’ve heard the US are planing more attacks in the next 48 hours.
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pm_me_yo_creditscore1 day ago
+2
*- Divar Karab*
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SiWeyNoWay1 day ago
+1
I thought I saw a headline that araghchi was en route to moscow for a meeting
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suicideking11211 day ago
+1
This is purely for market manipulation.
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QuarterFlounder1 day ago
+1
When is this temporary not-a-war going to be over and gas prices back to normal like MAGA said?
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Different_Victory_891 day ago
+1
Boss, I'm tired
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Hot-Combination91301 day ago
+1
Trump is so weak
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WeakTransportation3723 hr ago
+1
I don’t believe this yet
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duglarri17 hr ago
+1
You would have to be a fool of epic proportions to not take that deal.
Trump: we're not taking the deal.
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-7
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tubby_LULZ1 day ago
+7
Who’s gonna take them lmao
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Ill-Surprise-26441 day ago
+2
The pedophilic geriatrics in Washington or Tehran? I'm confused - which group of pedos are we talking about here?
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Several_Magician15411 day ago
+1
Nobody lets the US have nukes, they invented them and built them when not a single entity in the world had the power to stop them. That's how the real world works champ. Who do you think is "allowing" it?
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