This all so tiring then on Monday/Tuesday they will reopen again and market will go up another 1%
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DogDogDogDogog1 day ago
+248
The trump family is making bank though and that's all that matters.
248
Azagar_Omiras1 day ago
+96
We need to demand better anti-corruption laws.
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Coffeedemon1 day ago
+92
Any law enforcement would do. They've already done enough to be put away for years.
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TheOsirisOfThisShit_1 day ago
+17
77 million Americans wanted a felon to be in charge of law enforcement.
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-SaC23 hr ago
+9
And another 90 million were absolutely fine with it to the point of shrugging and saying 'meh'.
9
wsdpii1 day ago
+26
The problem at this point is that the only people who can make better anti-corruption laws are the ones who stand to gain from corruption and insider trading. I doubt it'd be possible to convince the majority of them to work against their own best interests.
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Astronaut-Flashy1 day ago
+3
\>I doubt it'd be possible to convince the majority of them to work against their own best interests.
I mean hey, it works for Republican *voters*
3
kdeweb241 day ago
+2
Anti corruption laws would have to be put in place by…the people that benefit the most from corruption.
The genie is out of the bottle, the cat is out of the bag, the p**** is already in our collective a*** (ani?). There’s no going back at this point. With a true fight, we might be able to limit it to this level. But, in all reality, this is going to get worse.
2
PWL5110 hr ago
+1
That will be hard when the president is corrupt and has the support of the Supreme Court.
1
Adventurous-Fee-40061 day ago
That ship has sailed bud
0
denNISI1 day ago
+1
It will matter **when** the scales tip... it always does in a flawed system.
1
p_29231 day ago
+1
It's what the American voters wanted?
1
Cagnazzo821 day ago
+67
It was literally never reopened. It's Trump lying and the media repeating his lies.
On their twitter account they specifically said they would reopen on conditions the US pays for damages and they would do so with an approved route (aka setting up for a toll).
Every other detail wad Trump lying to swing the markets on Friday.
67
rabidstoat1 day ago
+22
Abbas Araghchi, the Iranian foreign minister, tweeted on Friday that the strait was open.
That pissed off many others in the IRGC and then later in the day Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, the speaker of Parliament, tweeted about Trump lying seven times in an hour and how the strait was only open for those Iran authorized and would be closed completely if the US kept up the blockade.
I think Araghchi was way premature in posting and probably shouldn't be making any personal plans or commitments for next month.
22
Alone_Again_21 day ago
+22
I think Iran is genuinely two separate administrations now.
You have the government negotiators and the IRGC who have the guns.
The IRGC didn’t agree to shit.
22
Khaganate231 day ago
+4
For weeks now sepah has been fighting parliament and making threats to non-military for trying to communicate with the US.
Listnook will listen to everyone but Iranians dissidents.
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Alone_Again_223 hr ago
+3
Well, I’m no Iranian dissident even though I agree with the cause.
Yet, I can see what is observable and have come to the rather obvious conclusion that there are separate entities within Iran pulling in different directions. Hence the noise.
I have to wonder why the Americans who doubtlessly are aware of this aren’t making more of it publicly?
I think it would actually serve well them to state openly, « we don’t oppose the Iranian people - we don’t even oppose the Iranian government. We oppose the IRGC »
At the very least, it objectifies their opponent, making a solution more evident. I’m not arguing that it would be achievable, just that no one is currently hearing the signal through all that noise.
3
HellBlazer_NQ1 day ago
+25
The stupid part is all the investors that play along with it, the majority of which loose money as they don't have the insider information.
There is no logic to stock trading anymore its just vibe trading now.
25
Amstervince1 day ago
+2
Its always been vibe trading as stock trading attempts to predict the future. But we have never witnessed a greater buffoon in charge, capable of inflicting so much damage the stock market is forced to price it in. And we have seen he is willing to go through with the most catastrophic policies, so the market cannot ignore whatever daily garbage he throws up
2
RocketRelm18 hr ago
+2
And also , critically, we have a gallery of americans who can't understand how bad trump is. This isn't just 12 maga rich dudes. This is all the nonvoters and cultist supporters. People who are otherwise ordinary who uncritically believe things are fine and normal.
2
binzoma1 day ago
+22
I cant believe after what, 8 weeks, people are still falling for trumps friday afternoon and sunday evening proclamations
like. what
its literally the chappelles show sketch at this point between trump/iran "thats it, I'm shutting the studio down"
like, we know. the same things happened every ~~episode~~ week
22
Cosmic_Seth1 day ago
+2
Because the people in charge are making bank. Including the 1% who owns 99% of stocks.
Us poor people don't matter.
2
nomoreusernamersleft1 day ago
+1
True. I’m no market expert by any means.
I just don’t understand why my mutual funds keep going up by leaps and bounds after dropping huge.
1
takeda641 day ago
+1
Actually the strait was never open it's all trump manipulating the market as you said.
1
coreychch1 day ago
+378
This is doing my head in. I’ve never come across a world event where what is agreed between two countries *seems to change every 5 minutes*. You can’t look at stories from a few hours ago as they are wrong.
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Fast-Satisfaction4821 day ago
+186
Because no one actually agreed to anything. And neither Iran, USA, nor Israel are inclined to compromise. Still, USA and Iran seem to want an off-ramp, Israel does not really seem to.
186
letsgotgoing1 day ago
+13
USA wants humiliating defeat of Iranian government that results in no nuclear program and an end to being the mothership of terrorism in the region (aka ending funding for groups like Hezbollah and the Houthis). Iran effectively has no leadership and the warring factions internally are religious zealots who think they’ll go to heaven if they die fighting.
USA and Israel know a ground war will be bloody and aren’t willing to accept that. They seem ready to just keep killing Iranian leadership until someone who takes power wants to accept a humiliating defeat to stay alive.
Meanwhile, this USA blockade forces countries like China to put pressure on Iranian leadership to accept humiliating defeat to reopen the straight so the oil can flow again. China is reported to be running out of oil by end of summer if things don’t change.
USA is an exporter of oil thanks to fracking. Demand will increase and American oil companies will hire people to produce more oil if this remains unresolved long enough.
I feel bad for the average Iranian who lives under this brutal tyranny. I hope this is a moment of great change for them.
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gummo_for_prez20 hr ago
+4
USA producing oil means nothing for prices as they are private companies who will sell to the highest bidder. We won't run out of supply, but we won't be able to afford it either.
4
RocketRelm18 hr ago
Does that matter? Americans clearly didn't give a guy everyone knows in the files the popular vote over a liberal black woman because they had *economic prosperity* as a high point of concern. They'll be amused and scream in horror and come out of the movie theater poor, but entertained.
0
VentureIndustries1 day ago
+2
Do you think the US will invade some islands at some point?
2
pathfinderoursaviour20 hr ago
They already invaded Venezuela and kidnapped their leader
0
tchomptchomp1 day ago
+6
Incorrect. The main conflict at this point is between the Iranian civil leadership (Qabilif, Araghchi) and the fractured leadership of the IRGC. At this point these are competing factions within Iran with different ideologies and goals. The IRGC factions that have capacity to fire on the strait want to keep fighting and there is no centralized capacity within Iran to prevent them from doing so. The US can eventually degrade those forces but it will take time. They are also unable to levy a toll as they have no banking service to speak of...this has been confirmed by countries that tried and fail to pay the IRGC's tolls. In the meantime, the US is negotiating for concrete gains elsewhere, such as a complete turnover of uranium and a binding commitment to end enrichment with international oversight. We'll see whether the civil leadership is able to take control or whether the country collapsed into a bunch of IRGC fiefdoms.
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Fast-Satisfaction48223 hr ago
+1
I hope you're right, but I do not believe this is true.
1
Cagnazzo821 day ago
+54
It is Trump lying and the media taking his lies at face value and reporting only his lies.
The Iranian twitter account said he was lying and the straight would only be opened if America paid restitution. The media ignored it since they're complicit in swinging the markets.
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Conscious_Youth_7521 day ago
+35
Yep. The press and the markets want to treat him like an honest broker, and he just isn’t. He’s 100% getting updates from someone and just posting shit like the world’s worst game of telephone.
Iran said on Friday it would reopen the Strait. That was likely because Israel agreed to a ceasefire in Lebanon. Honestly, I don’t think we could know the terms involved (tolls, e***** ships, IRGC clearance, etc.) because with Trump, nothing is ever solid enough to get that detailed. He simply doesn’t have the attention span or cognitive ability to understand what is happening.
Once he said the blockade was staying, Iran probably leaked the story about the US paying $20 Bn for its uranium, because they know Trump can’t keep his fat mouth shut. He goes and tells everyone the US is getting it for free and the nuclear program is totally destroyed. And for some god damned reason, global markets and media just keep taking him at his word.
The simple explanation is that he’s just a bumbling idiot who’s too proud and too stupid to admit he doesn’t know what to do. The more cynical explanation is that he’s doesn’t care at all because he’s figured out the power of his social media to move the entire stock market, and he and his family and billionaire friends can make obscene amounts of money while people die.
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rabidstoat1 day ago
+8
All I can think about is how Trump is probably thinking, as he golfs, about how this is all making for great television and keeping him in the spotlight. He is more concerned about how exciting things are for a TV show than things like global stability.
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Cagnazzo821 day ago
+6
Very true. That and his family is raking in billions.
People, specifically right-wing cons, were unhappy about Hunter Biden making 6 figures with his dad's influence. Multiply that times 100 and there's not a single concern at all.
Insider trading, crypto scams, and unquenching thirst for media attention... and we're stuck in that spiral without any legal recourse or any accountability.
6
rabidstoat1 day ago
+8
They report it as "Trump says" because for all other Presidents, what they said had importance as it typically correlated with reality. People came to believe that "the President says" was reporting a true fact, but that is no longer the case.
8
HellBlazer_NQ1 day ago
+24
Its impossible to keep up using the internet. Imagine those poor suckers that still use newspapers.
24
Murandus1 day ago
+24
We are the suckers bc they don't even get this stupid minute-to-minute bullshit. On Saturday the strait is as closed as it was on Friday, so what.
24
dbandit11 day ago
+3
It never changed
3
LardHop1 day ago
+5
When I feel inadequate at work, I just look at these supposed world leaders incompetence and feel good about myself again. Grown men who can't even make themselves accountable.
5
Reqvhio1 day ago
+2
i was thinking exactly this two days ago. like have u ever read "x monarch signed a pact with y to-be-vassal state then changed his mind 5 minutes later. and then again and then again" like what xD
2
Competitive_Film_6501 day ago
+142
This would be funny, you know if it weren't for the people dying and the world economy collapsing.
142
Fluffy_Source_54671 day ago
+24
I ping pong between being fearful and angry, to finding it absolutely hilarious because of how utterly bizarre this all is, and then I go straight back to fear and anger. Rinse and repeat.
24
Elukka1 day ago
+26
Oil, urea for fertilizers, sulphuric acid for chemical plants, processed aviation fuel, helium, propane, liquid natural gas etc. Many of these have alternate sources but removing say a third of the global urea supply during the spring time planting season pushing the prices high will affect farmers and food production. This will be a terrible mess and the full effects won't be felt until months later.
The backlog will take months to clear out when the straits actually open for good and many industries will be badly shocked by then. Just two months of disruptions is already bad but imagine if this continues for 4 or 6 months? Many European airports are apparently already only a couple weeks away from having to ration aviation fuels. Even if new deliveries were shipped today they might not make it in time to abate the fuel shock. And that is just one industry.
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Heavy_Secret_2031 day ago
+14
You didn't say thank you!
Americans are doing their best making things worse every day. This is the world that is threatened, not the US.
14
LayneLowe1 day ago
+10
All of these Strait of Hormuz posts need to have a timestamp on them. I can't keep up, Open closed open closed open closed
10
lkc15921 hr ago
+2
It's like two giant country-sized toddlers playing "Open shut them".
2
EatinSumGrapes1 day ago
+150
Trump: open the straight!
Iran: No!
Trump: fine I'm going to blockade your ports until you do!
Iran: okay okay we will open the straight!
Trump: great, thank you! But I'm still blockading your ports.
Iran: wait what? That's... not how a deal works.. close it back up!
The writer of the Art of the Deal is soooo f****** stupid he literally does not even know what a deal is.
150
WaffleHouseGladiator1 day ago
+42
Tony Schwartz? He's an author, not a businessman and as far as I know he's not involved in this situation.
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EatinSumGrapes1 day ago
+2
TIL Trump takes credit for writing it. What a surprise he didn't write it /s. It's based off of shadowing Trump but still not the same. Well point still stands either way
2
EgotisticalTL1 day ago
+4
I'd doubt very strongly that he ever had the patience or the brain cells to be the author either.
4
ianjm1 day ago
+2
Also he has the bigly vocabulary of a 4 year old.
2
glwillia1 day ago
+2
the only multisyllabic word he knows is “tremendous”
2
chipmunksocute1 day ago
+11
A deal to Trump is Trump gets everything he wants and the other side gets nothing. The only "good deal" in Trump's book.
11
Cagnazzo821 day ago
-5
Iran explicitly never said at any point they were reopening the straight. It is literally just Trump lying.
-5
TheOsirisOfThisShit_1 day ago
+18
Iran: "We will open the strait as soon as the US and Israel do these 6 things that we know they definitely won't do"
The Media: "Iran agrees to reopen Strait"
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gummo_for_prez20 hr ago
+1
Yeah the media has done a horrible job with this. They report things Trump and Iran say like they are perfectly true and definitely will happen, which even the lowest information voter is starting to realize is not true, especially with Trump.
1
EatinSumGrapes1 day ago
+4
I mean some ships definitely passed through, but true that is not the same as it being fully open.
4
Cagnazzo821 day ago
+3
Yes, and others were shot at.
Meanwhile the Friday markets were sent flying... as intended.
3
Heavy_Secret_2031 day ago
+74
Schrodingers strait
P. S. It is indeed strait, not straight
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hugifsafuk1 day ago
+38
Research indicates yes, but i think the topic here should be the strait
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shattered-halo2041 day ago
+2
Hiyo! 😆👍🏼
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AutistInPink1 day ago
+4
Kind of silly to see people on here take the piss at trumpian stupidity in text - including faulty spelling - and then nobody has seen the word "strait" before
4
rabidstoat1 day ago
+3
Every time I type "strait" my autocorrect underlines it like it's spelled wrong, which is weird.
3
AutistInPink1 day ago
+2
Maybe it's that "straight" is used more often?
2
rabidstoat1 day ago
+1
It eventually removes the underline. It's weird.
1
supremelummox1 day ago
Didn't know he was
0
Emperor_Biden1 day ago
+4
Schrodingers strait is becoming a cliche now.
4
Fuzzylumpkins12341 day ago
+7
I’m just going with it’s closed until Iran says otherwise. You can’t believe anything that comes out of Trump. It’s all a grift with him and we’re the suckers.
7
Chat001 day ago
+20
I’m not even going to look anymore.
20
Desperate-Custard3551 day ago
+7
yeah, there's no point in watching trump's every pump and dump ploy, or taking it seriously. just prepare for the worst case scenario and ignore the news. if something impt is going to happen, someone will tell you. this is all getting ridiculous.
7
Prudent_Link60291 day ago
+14
Quelle f****** surprise
14
ZasdfUnreal1 day ago
+11
But there is no deal.
11
D3xty1 day ago
+9
What stocks should i buy now so when come friday i can sell and make money?
9
Austin4RMTexas1 day ago
Not recommending this at all (I just got burned betting oil will spike but the ceasefire killed me), but if you wanted to dabble in these dark arts, trading on options that will gain if the whole market moves in the direction you predict is probably your best bet.
0
ThisTheRealLife1 day ago
+17
The US violating a deal? I am shocked!
... well not so shocked ....
diplomacy was more reliable when we had "agreements", "plans", "pacts", or "acts" instead of shady "deals"
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Ambitious-Wind98381 day ago
-14
Here Iran violated the agreement
-14
msemen_DZ1 day ago
+11
The US is blockading its ports, which wasn't part of the agreement either. It makes 0 sense for Iran to open up the strait while its ports are blockaded.
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Ambitious-Wind98381 day ago
-14
True, the lifting of the blockade was not part of the agreement just as, prior to that, Lebanon was not included in the agreement (according to European politicians). Iran violates the deal time and again, constantly putting forward new demands. I believe there is no other option but to continue the war.
-14
GeshtiannaSG1 day ago
+5
European politicians who weren’t even at the negotiations. Pakistan, who were the mediators, explicitly stated it as part of the deal.
5
Ambitious-Wind98381 day ago
-3
Pakistan was not a neutral party given its calls for the destruction of Israel.
-3
reco841 day ago
+5
Since you have all this insider knowledge on the details of the deals, I would assume youd be too busy being a world leader to be on listnook.
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ThisTheRealLife1 day ago
+2
Honestly I have completely lost track of the state of affairs. My impression was that the opening was after Israel agreed to a ceasefire with Lebanon, and the opening was to follow a the previous very short lived agreement with the US. But then the US maintaining its blockade was also not part of that agreement ... so we are kinda back to square one and neither side is in compliance.
But it is hard to really get an accurate and impartial view on the matter. The agreements aren't published in full, and mostly it is one side or the other declaring something to the press, and when they claim it is an agreement, we don't even know if the other side has heard about that too.
2
JY09501 day ago
+15
Im convinced we are living in a simulation
15
HellBlazer_NQ1 day ago
+5
Then old men clinging to power is a the virus that has infected the simulation.
5
Desperate-Custard3551 day ago
+2
death will eventually come to strip them of all power
2
JY09501 day ago
+2
I don't think even if let's say Putin, Trump, Netanyahu or Xi dies, the world would magically be peaceful
2
Hpezlin1 day ago
+6
Trump is a ftard
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hl_lost1 day ago
+6
at this point i just have a script that checks hormuz headlines every 30 min and adjusts my positions accordingly. strait open? buy. strait closed? sell. rinse repeat. making more off the volatility than my actual job
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porgy_tirebiter1 day ago
+3
This is just the way it’s going to be forever now. Open closed open closed, threat to close, etc etc.
3
fiftyfivepercentoff1 day ago
+3
Release the Epstein files!!
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GardenGnomeOrgy1 day ago
+3
Well shoots, we’re all just a bunch of suckers with our thumbs up our asses watching capitalism eat itself as prediction markets turn life into a game of monopoly where seven eighths of the board is already owned and you hate everyone playing.
3
TheKanten22 hr ago
+3
Schrodinger's Strait has become more than a meme.
3
lightgrip1 day ago
+6
It’s like the Hokey Cokey.
6
Bishopjones21121 day ago
+5
Well when there is peace talks and a cease fire and Iran is like “ok we will open the straights” and the states is like “ good it’s about time, but we are going to keep blockading you” of course Iran is pissed and closes the straights again. For fucks sake stop being f****** idiots United States.
5
toolatealreadyfapped1 day ago
+5
Every news site needs to start including, "... claims Trump's social media" in their headlines.
They keep presenting his BS as fact. When it's literally just the musings of an elderly narcissist with a tenuous grasp on reality.
5
rabidstoat1 day ago
+1
They typically do state it as "Trump says that..."
I think people just tend to gloss over the "says" part and believe it to be fact, as that's been mostly true of Presidential statements for all other Presidents except Trump.
1
Neither_Amoeba_50021 day ago
+3
Still winning, Cheeto pedo?
3
VinceCarter241 day ago
+5
He’s been lying all the time and frustratingly it’s always taken as truth by every news station.
You’d figure they learn by now.
5
DDz18181 day ago
+4
Trump's market manipulation will not let this war end.
4
Conscious_Youth_7521 day ago
+3
Oh damn. You mean Trump lied again to pump the market? 😮
3
pedroignacioa1 day ago
+4
I strongly believe that Trump knows that will get impeached at some point soon. He’s trying to manipulate the Market and make as much money as possible before it happens
4
HellBlazer_NQ1 day ago
+12
>I strongly believe that Trump knows that will get impeached at some point soon
No, he thinks the opposite, he thinks he is untouchable. And to be honest with everything he's gotten away with so far, he's not wrong.
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StonedBirdman1 day ago
+3
He's not getting impeached as long as the Republicans controlling congress are all sycophants. Authoritarians love to fall in line.
3
mesmerooo1 day ago
+2
and I was betting on at least a week...
2
CampEmbarrassed1701 day ago
+2
Seems The Strait was reopened for a few seconds shorter than the “job” Trumpanzee received from Stormy Daniele.
2
bg3701 day ago
+2
Typo from AP
“Control over the strait has proven to be one Iran’s main points of leverage …”
2
Herb-Alpert1 day ago
+2
Plot twist !!!!
... Again...
2
cacecil11 day ago
+1
Is there a new LEGO video about it yet?
1
Alena_Tensor21 hr ago
+1
[Yep, I’m buying a copy of The Art of the Deal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_the_Deal)
1
cmackchase14 hr ago
+1
I am never winning my bet on this it seems.
1
ianc121512 hr ago
+1
Honestly at this rate it would hurt us more but Iran should just keep it closed since Trump about lost it when they wouldn't bend knee to him. If they keep it up he might pop a blood vessel.
1
naitsirt891 day ago
+2
Trump violating a deal? Thats just not my Trump!!
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Ultra_Metal1 day ago
+1
The Islamic Republic is spreading lies as usual. The US didn't violate any part of the deal.
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WinstonChurchill741 day ago
+3
I don’t know if it’s that clear. Trump has been our main source of updates, he has repeatedly (and provably) lied. It’s almost impossible to fully believe any updates coming from the White House.
Iranian messaging has been far more consistent, that doesn’t mean they are truthful… just less all over the f****** place with obvious bullshit.
Edit:
Wow Ultra_Metal, you blocked me over a fairly tame comment.
Really shows the conviction of your thought.
I swear, we need to kill propaganda bots.
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Ultra_Metal1 day ago
+3
Nonsense. The Islamic Republic has zero credibility and lies all the time.
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boogi3woogie1 day ago
+3
I mean, I think your comment is pretty dumb too. Iranian messaging is all over the place and basically devolves to “No you.”
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WinstonChurchill741 day ago
+2
That simply isn’t true, their terms have been consistent if nothing else.
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boogi3woogie1 day ago
-1
I see you haven’t read the article.
-1
angrymoppet23 hr ago
Blockading a nation's ports is an act of war. Enacting a blockade during a ceasefire is not only contradictory on its face, but is seen by Iran as a betrayal of the agreement itself. That's why they're closing the strait again. There aren't new terms here, and the reaction is not that surprising. I'm not sure there are many nations that would react differently to be honest.
0
WinstonChurchill741 day ago
Did you? There aren’t new terms in there.
0
TheGreatDomilies1 day ago
+1
Petrol prices had JUST dropped where I live ffs
1
ArticleIndependent831 day ago
+1
Open close open close open close open close
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Somaimonay1 day ago
+1
Is anyone surprised by this?
1
Forsaken-Debate61611 day ago
+1
Since Trump became a president everything the US does is like that, no consistency or stability whatsoever lol
1
Holeshot751 day ago
+1
I can almost guarantee that Iran is right
They probably did
1
letstalkaboutfeels1 day ago
+1
This is going SO WELL
1
Full-Fox-3611 day ago
+1
But I was told it was about the Lebanon ceasefire, Iran lied????
1
Vaulters1 day ago
+1
I've seen playground treaties conducted more seriously than these jokers.
1
MrTriangular1 day ago
+1
I'm wondering if Iran is planning to help push Trump's regime to collapse by playing to his manipulation of the stock market for corrupt gains while they keep Hormuz closed and the US army stuck in quagmire. This way, the only money moving is into Trump and his cronies' pockets while the whole world feels the pain, and as much as Trump wants to escape the situation, he just can't keep himself from continuing to suck money out of the system.
It's like forcing a mosquito to keep drinking from a person until it either explodes or the victim finally get annoyed enough to squash it themselves.
1
Glittering_Nobody4021 day ago
-1
There were a lot of REALLY confident bots out there, though....
-1
Capital-Control3081 day ago
Someone hasn’t read Art of the Deal😂.
0
Which_Appointment4501 day ago
-11
Such evil people
-11
oglop1211 day ago
+14
And Iran aren't much better
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H3lw3rd1 day ago
+9
Russia is happy
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Which_Appointment4501 day ago
-11
I am talking about iran
-11
EgotisticalTL1 day ago
+5
Two facts can be simultaneously true:
1 - Iran is ruled a brutal, terrorist regime that the world, not to mention their own citizens, would be better without.
2 - The hornets' nest of Iran has never been kicked for many good reasons.
While imperfect, Obama's agreement was working better than any other solution, and Trump tore it up just for political theater. The Pentagon admitted that we were never under imminent nuclear threat from Iran, and Trump himself has said that he started this war because of his "feelings."
This war has made both America's and the global economy far worse off (at the cost of $50b to the American taxpayers so far, not to mention a sharply raised cost of living due to gas prices and all that causes), caused the deaths of thousands of innocents, caused tremendous ecological damage, and further destabilized the region.
Furthermore, The Iranians Trump had pretended he was starting this war to save are now under an even more brutal regime than before.
So yes, The current Iranian regime is evil, and absolutely yes - so is Trump and his administration.
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Elukka1 day ago
+7
Tulsi Gabbard herself admitted in a congressional (or was it senate?) hearing that there was no immediate danger. When your director of national intelligence says so... what the bleep are they doing in the US? It's a madhouse.
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takingphotosmakingdo1 day ago
-2
It's on
It's off
It's on
It's off
Dr V: that's called blinking boys
-2
stonertear1 day ago
-2
Oh well, oil prices havent even moved.
/shrug maybe the markets are bored of the up and down.
-2
moarlurkin1 day ago
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Since when was it open? Iran has said since the beginning that you need to pay 2million and get approved for IRGC. Even then there was 130 ships going through there every day before the war. Now there less than 10 even on the high days. Why stop bombing Iran if Iran has lied about every concession so far?
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