You can't make peace with a madman.
Trump: "I think we can make a deal"
Also Trump: "I am not going to stop until they surrender"
And: "We can take their oil"
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notnotbrowsing4 days ago
+3100
Mar 3: "We won the war."
Mar 7: "We defeated Iran."
Mar 9: "We must attack Iran."
Mar 9: "The war is ending almost completely, and very beautifully."
Mar 11: “You never like to say too early you won. We won. In the first hour it was over.”
Mar 12: "We did win, but we haven't won completely yet."
Mar 13: "We won the war."
Mar 14: "Please help us."
Mar 15: "If you don't help us, I will certainly remember it."
Mar 16: "Actually, we don't need any help at all."
Mar 16: "I was just testing to see who's listening to me."
Mar 16: "If NATO doesn't help, they will suffer something very bad."
Mar 17: "We neither need nor want NATO's help."
Mar 17: "I don't need Congressional approval to withdraw from NATO."
Mar 18: "Our allies must cooperate in reopening the Strait of Hormuz."
Mar 19: "US allies need to get a grip - step up and help open the Strait of Hormuz."
Mar 20: "NATO are cowards."
Mar 21: "The Strait of Hormuz must be protected by the countries that use it. We don't use it, we don't need to open it."
Mar 22: "This is the last time. I will give Iran 48 hours. Open the strait"
Mar 22: "Iran is Dead"
Mar 23: "We had very good and productive talks with Iran."
Mar 24: "We’re making progress."
Mar 24: "[Iran] gave us a present and the present arrived today, and it was a very big present, worth a tremendous amount of money."
Mar 25: “They gave us a present and the present arrived today. And it was a very big present worth a tremendous amount of money. I’m not going to tell you what that present is, but it was a very significant prize.”
Mar 26: "Make a deal, or we’ll just keep blowing them away."
Mar 27: "We don’t have to be there for NATO."
Mar 28: No major quote
Mar 29: Claimed talks were progressing
Mar 30: "Open the Strait of Hormuz immediately, or face devastating consequences."
Mar 31: Claimed a deal was "very close" and that Iran would "do the right thing"
Apr 1: "We’ll see what happens very soon."
Apr 2: Repeated that a deal was likely, while warning of continued strikes if not
Apr 3: "Something big is going to happen."
Apr 4: Said Iran must comply "immediately" or face further consequences.
Apr 5: "Open the fuckin' Strait, you crazy bastards, or you'll be living in Hell - JUST WATCH! Praise be to Allah."
I stole this post fair and square from u/BaconManDan9
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BaconManDan94 days ago
+1039
Please keep sharing that everywhere my friend
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notnotbrowsing4 days ago
+216
The man.. the myth... the legend himself!
: obligatory "you made this? I made this." meme:
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sanjosanjo4 days ago
+128
You need someone to make this a sticky post that you can continually update. This is seriously better journalism than most professionals I've seen.
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DuncanConnell4 days ago
+55
It's insane to me that these are **direct quotes** from the President of the United States rather than some random fringe podcaster or snips from a comment section of some YouTube clip
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cosmos74 days ago
+17
No kidding... journalism seems to be reduced to AP copy, AI summation slop, or cowering to corporate / political overlords these days...
Call people on their f****** shit.
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hackenclaw4 days ago
+36
bro keeping receipt what TACO said. lol
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DudeofValor4 days ago
+70
Just read that out loud. Oh my f****** god this is just insane. Never in my wildest dreams would I have thought a leader of any country would act like this.
But here we are.
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GhostofZellers4 days ago
+17
It really is crazy reading it all out, summarized in order. It constantly switches from bragging, to threatening, to blaming, just saying whatever soothes his ego at that particular moment. It makes it abundantly clear that he has no thought process, no plan or strategy, no unified messaging, no f****** clue what he's doing.
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leisurechef4 days ago
+137
Schroedingers Trump:
- Guaranteed to double down
- Guaranteed to chicken out
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greg197354 days ago
+19
Now I want kfc
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ThePnusMytier4 days ago
+15
God, I miss the Double Down in my soul. but not my physical heart.
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Better-Strategy87984 days ago
+133
jfc.. LOL. Im not american but this is wild. IF I was american. Man lol i dont even think embarrassed or ashamed would be enough to describe how some of you all must feel lol. No wonder Macron told him to stop talking
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JodoKaast4 days ago
+56
Honestly, very few Americans actually hear him talk. The vast, vast majority are tuned out. Which is of course a huge problem.
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AnewTest4 days ago
+18
It’s for the safety of my TV/monitor. Hearing his voice makes me want to put my fist through them.
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clandestine-ideefixe4 days ago
+41
Jesus Christ. I hate trump. So much. I need a boxing bag with his face on it or something. So much rage. Hes destroying everything
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Seanspeed4 days ago
+22
>I need a boxing bag with his face on it or something.
I couldn't even do that. I just f****** hate even looking at that disgusting face and his a****** eyes and a****** mouth.
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ogredmenace4 days ago
+83
You missed when he obliterated the nuclear program months prior to the war
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hotinmyigloo4 days ago
+18
Ho boy, this comment will get longer and longer as time goes by
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redcodekevin4 days ago
+14
It's like some sick and twisted 5 stages of grief, but not? Or maybe?
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Taldarim_Highlord4 days ago
+13
It's a loop. The stages never got to Acceptance; that's impossible with this man. It got to Bargaining, sometimes slipped into Depression, but it never got past that point before looping back to Denial.
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RollingMeteors4 days ago
+13
>JUST WATCH! Praise be to Allah."
Modern day, "¡NO I'M SPARTICUS!"
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D3xty4 days ago
+12
I need a tshirt of this
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Nuclear-Jester4 days ago
+136
Also blowing up their leaders seems to have the opposite effect of what the US and Israel were hoping for
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Gecks7774 days ago
+93
Mosaic defense doctrine. The Iranian command structure is built from the floor up to keep fighting after the central leadership is dead. Just skimming the Wikipedia page for Iran probably could have told the Whitehouse this, but that seems like a lot of work when planning to invade another sovereign nation, hey?
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quaste4 days ago
+32
This. The only thing acheived by killing top leadership is less predictability of what the next level is doing but they won’t stop.
If a main goal is reopening the strait, having independent cells without leadership strike at will is kinda unproductive
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Gnomio14 days ago
+74
Which is mind boggling because it has always worked at other points in human history.
Nothing in history could have led the U.S. leadership to think that bombing civilian infrastructure from the sky would bolster the resolve of another country.
Also, at no point has another country in the Middle East ever leveraged their position as the de facto controller of a water-based international travel corridor to make other countries back off, while being supported by another key global power. There’s just no precedent for this!
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Dyolf_Knip4 days ago
+11
Right? That said, it's really surprising that Trump, who as we are all aware knows more about war than anyone, didn't think of it either.
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DouchecraftCarrier4 days ago
+6
"Meet me in the middle," said the dishonest man. I took a step forward. He took a step back. "Meet me in the middle," said the dishonest man.
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mokomi4 days ago
+52
After they came to us with multiple peace plans that they both agreed to and followed. After being backstabbed more times we can count. After we taught them right with Ukraine and nukes They have no reason not to.
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SkivvySkidmarks4 days ago
+46
That, and the behaviour of Trump towards former long-term allies. If he's willing to invade them for "reasons", why would Iran think that they'll fair any better?
The Trump administration is psychotic.
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ForeverPrior22795 days ago
+36
Trump is surprised though
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Winterwasp_674 days ago
+16
Maybe that's what he means when he says, "I surprise myself sometimes..." lol.
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spectraphysics4 days ago
+9
Huh, and here I thought he was talking about the sharts
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T_Shurt5 days ago
+2698
From the article:
Iran will not reopen the Strait of Hormuz in exchange for a “temporary ceasefire,” a senior Iranian official said on Monday after receiving a new proposal from mediators to end the war.
Tehran does not believe the U.S. is ready for a permanent ceasefire and will not accept being pressured to accept deadlines and make a decision
Trump continues to insist negotiations with Iran are ongoing despite Iran claiming no such talks are happening between Tehran and Washington.
The latest framework to end hostilities was apparently put together by Pakistan and exchanged with Iran and the U.S. overnight.
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TheHumanGnomeProject5 days ago
+1913
>~~Iran will not reopen the Strait of Hormuz in exchange for a “temporary ceasefire,” a senior Iranian official said on Monday after receiving a new proposal from mediators to end the war.~~
>Tehran does not believe the U.S. ~~is ready for a permanent ceasefire and will not accept being pressured to accept deadlines and make a decision~~
>~~Trump continues to insist negotiations with Iran are ongoing despite Iran claiming no such talks are happening between Tehran and Washington.~~
>~~The latest framework to end hostilities was apparently put together by Pakistan and exchanged with Iran and the U.S. overnight.~~
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craznazn2474 days ago
+1347
We bombed them TWICE during active negotiations.
Let’s just assume the Iranian regime isn’t going to fall for that a third time in the span of 2 months. Seems best to just ignore our calls and let the toddler thrash about.
Their position only gets stronger as Trump keeps looking like he doesn’t have a next step planned and makes empty threats one after another. A land invasion will be a quagmire that eats up the rest of his term if he gets baited into it.
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Gnomio14 days ago
+566
Not just this, but actually killing negotiators involved with the talks!
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TheOneNeartheTop4 days ago
+284
Isn’t targeting desalination plants against the Geneva convention and generally considered to be a real ‘we are the baddies’ move.
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darthreuental4 days ago
+215
Yes. It also opens up Israel and the rest of the gulf states if that happens. Millions of civilians in the region depend on those desalination plants. it'd be catastrophic.
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TheArmoredKitten4 days ago
+61
Quite possibly the largest single-event humanitarian disaster in history, if it happens.
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TheMechanicusBob4 days ago
+63
It is but no American will ever stand trial in the Hague no matter what they they're guilty of because the US government has a standing policy to invade the Netherlands to protect its war criminals, and Trump is deranged enough to actually go through with it
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TheBalzy4 days ago
+136
Yes. Even threatening it is a war crime.
The Trumpstein Administration court prosecutions are going to be must watch TV.
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balderdash94 days ago
+113
Don't hold your breath. The US has committed far worse atrocities and gotten away with it.
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AGreasyPorkSandwich4 days ago
+72
Also if we didnt throw him in jail in 2021 I dont see why we ever would.
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Wandering-Wilbury4 days ago
+38
It looks that way. [This Reuters article](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/when-do-attacks-civilian-installations-amount-war-crimes-2026-03-31/) explains that:
“The 1949 Geneva Conventions on humanitarian conduct in war prohibit attacks on sites considered essential for civilians: ‘In no event shall actions against these objects be taken which may be expected to leave the civilian population with such inadequate food or water as to cause its starvation or force its movement.’ “
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kalgores4 days ago
+35
How does it go... "Fool me once, shame on... shame on you. Fool me—you can't get fooled again."
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VanceKelley4 days ago
+18
By electing trump a second time, the American people disproved Bush 43's claim that "you can't get fooled again." Turns out they are that stupid.
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GetOffMyLawn17294 days ago
+8
I love the way Dubya's mangled quote has replaced the original aphorism, generally delivered with the slightest hint of a smirk.
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Qeltar_4 days ago
+192
Even marauding warlords in the Dark Ages knew that if you fire on a flag of parley, nobody will parley with you ever again.
Trump is too stupid for such common sense.
Bonus points for mocking their religion on a Christian holiday.
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bloop76764 days ago
+81
Marauding warlords at least probably understood what battle meant first hand, so they would've had some common sense. Trump and his people are so far removed it's like a game to them.
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Oberon_Swanson4 days ago
+37
It feels like it goes beyond even being a game to them. It's like a game somebody else trotted out at a party and they're only playing it because of social pressure but they really don't care if they win or lose, they just wanted to do something.
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Alaus_oculatus4 days ago
+10
Continuing on this, they also likely felt the consequences of their own actions too. Trump has been totally freed from suffering consequences for any of his actions, which adds to his already huge sense of entitlement.
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Morat204 days ago
+190
Also our SecDef is constantly calling this a religious war and saying shit like "no quarter" and the President is openly promising the destruction of civilian targets.
"We're totally serious about peace, please ignore the war crimes and the fact that we just announced that, yep indeed, this is definitely a religious war and obviously your sworn word means *nothing* when it's too a non-believer, and also it takes God a f****** lot of casualties before he changes his mind"
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+43
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Morat204 days ago
+99
It means "take no prisoners and accept no surrenders". You kill every enemy soldier right there in the field. Wounded, unconscious, or again *surrendered*
In addition to be an unequivocal war crime for over a century, it's also the stupidest f****** order to issue.
First, because if you decide no quarter *so do they*. Second, it means your enemies will fight to the death *period*, ever time. You *want* them to surrender! Every enemy who surrenders is a fight you didn't get into, casualties of your own you didn't risk!
If you've got 10,000 enemy soldiers cut off from aid, from supply -- do you want to go in and dig them out, losing who knows how many of your own soldiers in the process? Or do you want them to lay down arms and *surrender*, removing 10,000 enemy soldiers from the war without costing you a single one of yours?
"No quarter" is an immoral, *illegal* order -- and a self-defeating one only the vilest of idiots would issue. A commander who orders it is a commander who cares *nothing* for the lives of his own soldiers.
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SekhWork4 days ago
+25
>You want them to surrender! Every enemy who surrenders is a fight you didn't get into, casualties of your own you didn't risk!
Man god damned Sun Tzu knew this shit thousands of years ago. You know, the whole Art of War thing written so that abunch of nobles who had never led men in battle could have a small instruction manual? Whole section on always leave your enemy room to escape through so that they don't fight like men with no hope left.
You'd hope someone up there had read it... guess not.
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Toph844 days ago
+5
Here's the mistake you made. Sun Tzu is Chinese, which means to white MAGA he's a "illegal dirty minority", which means they definitely didn't listen to his words.
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VanceKelley4 days ago
+42
Reminds me of John McCain's opposition to the American government torturing people.
- *"The methods we employ to keep our nation safe must be as right and just as the values we aspire to live up to."* — Statement regarding Gina Haspel nomination, May 10, 2018
- *"This is not about the terrorists. It is about us."* — Comment on the damaging effect of torture on U.S. reputation
- *"I don't give a damn what the President of the United States wants to do... We will not waterboard. We will not torture... It doesn't work, my friends."* — Responding to Donald Trump's stance on torture, Nov. 2016
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Oberon_Swanson4 days ago
+36
Yup, ain't no "they will gladly switch to our side and greet us as liberators" when there's a No Quarter issue from the person in charge of the military. People can say "well it was just tough talk" but if you're an "enemy" are you really going to believe what... Hegseth *wasn't* being sarcastic about bombing your country and killing you and taking over but *was* being sarcastic about No Quarter because... THAT would be too far? But killing your little girl WASN'T too far?
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[deleted]4 days ago
+118
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Retlaw834 days ago
+78
I never joined the army, but I was in ROTC in college and I vividly remember back in 2004, the colonel taking 30 minutes of a class to explain to us in no uncertain terms that killing an enemy after a battle ended instead taking them prisoner and rendering first aid was not just a war crime, but legally and morally committing murder.
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SekhWork4 days ago
+43
There's also a very good, logical reason not to do this. Because you invariably will not win every single fight, and people will inevitably be captured for one reason or another. Issuing such an order means the enemy has *no incentive* to not return the favor to your own men.
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Organic_Hamster_29614 days ago
+27
Also the opposing side will be much more likely to fight to the death instead of surrendering if they know surrendering means they will die anyways.
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SekhWork4 days ago
+23
Yep. Almost like the damn *ancient world* figured this out and yet we still have dudes trying to bigbrain their around human nature.
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Shark79964 days ago
+11
Pretty much all rules of war are written so that things don't suck for your side as much as the other. So the more rules they break, the worse treatment their own soldiers are likely to receive.
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tacticaldodo4 days ago
+19
How much more despicable can they be?
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Oberon_Swanson4 days ago
+29
Give 'em a week, they'll come up with something
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LeCafeClopeCaca4 days ago
+26
It's also one of the biggest strategic mistake you can make. War crimes / rules of war aren't just about "this is morally wrong" but preventing escalation to total war of annihilation.
By declaring that, Hegseth closed the window for peace for good. Why surrender and die when you can just do it hurting your aggressors anyway.
It's probably because dude wants to sound tough and manly for national PR but I don't think I've seen a biggest diplomatic/political blunder of my life. All this is* absurd and stupid and* the worst is we know it's very f****** far from over with these bunches of clowns, grifters and religious nutjobs.
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W313374 days ago
+50
Any negotiations will get undermined by Trump. Trump is just a proxy for Bibi and MBS and Putin. This shit show will keep going on until this admin goes 25th.
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LegendofDragoon4 days ago
+18
Which they won't do because the cabinet was chosen for loyalty (non reciprocal loyalty mind you) not for competence. The director of the FBI is a podcaster and the head of hhs had his brain eaten by a worm.
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youneedsomemilk234 days ago
+16
The identity of the Islamic Republic is seeped in righteous war. The culture of chanting "Death to America" is rooted in the enduring belief that Americans sow death and destruction. From a PR perspective, killing negotiators in the middle of active negotiations gave the regime a very effective moment to say "See? SEE?! We told you" and then going all in on war. The hardliners who warned against negotiating with America feel vindicated.
Before everyone chimes in with the obligatory "BUT YOU'RE OK WITH 30K/50K/200K/70 MILLION PROTESTERS BEING KILLED THEN?!"
No. I'm just not naive enough to be sold yet another "we're doing this to liberate their people" war.
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Ok-Lavishness59804 days ago
+5
Conveniently for us, every regime we go to war against happens to massacre protestors, or bayonet babies, or whatever just a matter of weeks before we invade.
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HappyAmbition7064 days ago
+17
Don't forget Trump tearing up the previous negotiated agreement that Iran was adhering to, because it was negotiated by Obama and Trump couldn't take the credit for it. He had to brag about how he'd get a much better deal. And here we are.
Trump's ranting and whining just tells them that whatever he wanted, he isn't getting it and is already getting desperate. They are a terrible regime for the people of Iran who are not religious fanatics, but are quite rational to not be interested in negotiating with Trump.
Trump is getting his diversion from his Epstein involvement, and from his ICE murders, assaults and illegal deportations, but not the nice, easy, complete and painless Victory and Peace he wanted for the mid-term elections.
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Strict-Carrot47834 days ago
+24
Which is fair. With the orange babyraping pedophile at the helm, the US is infinitely untrustworthy.
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KiiZig5 days ago
+70
what is this. the strait of epstein? /s
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Hungry-ThoughtsCurry4 days ago
+14
Don't give hime ideas. If you change it to such a name, then he might start a new war just to not be associated with the name "Epstein"
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KiiZig4 days ago
+9
he's puttting his name on every little thing he can, why not on the epstein list? 😔 (jk, nonces protect nonces)
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ThrowRA-45455 days ago
+63
Precisely. Why do we find ourselves siding with Iran more and more, its bizarre.
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Nuclear-Jester4 days ago
+88
I mean, Trump insulted our soldiers who died in Afghanistan
My country has literally no reason to help the US in Iran, even if Meloni is one of Trump's biggest fans
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Morat204 days ago
+29
He's been insulting soldiers since the beginning. He's always had clears and open disdain for them.
But he likes having them salute him.
Basic dictator shit. He might as well twirl a mustache, call them cannon fodder, and have them bare knuckle fight for his amusement with the loser flogged.
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Z3B04 days ago
+38
No one ever liked trump in Europe. Some were admiring how he brainwashed 30% of the population to vote for him and forget anything controversial about him, sure, but no one liked him.
Now that he completely fucked the world economy, putting everyone in a difficult spot ? They hate him.
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The_BeardedClam4 days ago
+9
>I mean, Trump insulted our soldiers who died in Afghanistan
It's crazy how little that narrows it down, like he's said that about his *own* troops.
I fuckin hate this timeline.
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Morat204 days ago
+61
Because Trump gave the US public *no reason* to support this war, and the stuff he and Hegseth are saying is exactly the sort of reasoning we associate with terrorists and rogue nations.
I mean think about it -- we invaded and the most vocal proponent is the SecDef who is spending it talking about "Fighting for God" (and is also currently fighting with the Pope, so you can add in 'sectarian religious conflict' to the religious shit going on in the US) and the US President and SecDef both have promised to commit *war crimes* (no quarter and bombing of civilian targets), have actually blown up schools, has started double-strikes to get first responders to civilian targets and let's face it -- when it comes to WMDs, everyone is worried about the *US* deploying one.
We're doing *all the shit* that has been laid at the feet of the Taliban, Saddam Hussein, and every terrorist group we've hyped up to justify the War on Terror and the mass domestic surviellence.
This war is being led by a narcissist who isn't all there mentally, a white supremacist religious *f****** nutcase*, all while a bunch of oligarchs hoover up untold billions as our economy undergoes the Great F****** that's gonna make 2008 look like a cakewalk.
So that's why. It's not that Iran is like...manifestly good or anything. It's just the US is led by such vile dipshits that *we* fit the PR mold of Dubya's Axis of Evil' better than Iran does!
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i-dont-wanna-know4 days ago
+35
It miiiiight have to do with the insane convicted criminal pedofile that amercans elected to run their country and that the americans are seemingly happy with him despite his many, meny, meny (insert a couple of thousand "meny"s ) criminal acts including but not limited to : illegal wars , illegal terrif , market manipuplation, & gestapo killing citizens on open streets they still havent removed him
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someoneiguess24 days ago
+25
As a American I really do feel like we are all wage slaves . We don’t have free healthcare and it’s tied to our jobs. If we turn on our tv we don’t get the truth and it’s very easy to just “look the other way” for the sake of your sanity and to continue on providing for your family. Most Americans know what’s going on but when I ask what can we do. I get responses of nothing. Our country has learned how to control and direct the masses through entertainment and c**** food. It’s like the movie don’t look up. Everyone feels binded to chains mentality because we are . You will be replaced and be turnt into a gold brick at the bottom of the barrel if you take one step outside of the capitalist system and we know it. So all most can do is show up to some protest every other month and then go right back to work the next day. We don’t know the power of WE THE PEOPLE anymore because the powers that be have divided and conquered us so that they can continue the trickle up economics that feed to the rich. Most Americans atp are too uneducated to understand the grander picture that is the world. We only care about what affects us personally and when that becomes the truth you don’t understand your poising your own well.
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zerepesoj4 days ago
+4
Permíteme añadir que eso mismo ocurre en la mayoría de los paises con economías liberales. Hay que hacer frente a los poderes económicos, a los religiosos y a los sistemas corruptos. Difícil.
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Indercarnive4 days ago
+155
It's also extremely obvious The US just wants a "temporary ceasefire" while we wait for the Bush carrier group to get to the middle east because that's when the ground invasion starts.
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Morat204 days ago
+104
We have not mobilized *nearly enough troops*.
My nightmare scenario at this point is heavy US casualties due to the *absolute incompetence and abject stupidity* of the current admin and especially the drunk running Defense, followed by the deployment of WMD's as retaliation for Iran fighting back.
I'm also worried about heavy causalities causing 'time for revenge' swing among the US public leading to a long meat grinder and increasing despotism in the US (Cold War McCarthyism -- Palantir surveillance, attempts to suspend the parts of the Constitution the GOP has always felt should only apply to them -- all stuff this admin clearly wants)
It's just lower down because the war is already deeply unpopular, getting worse, there's been zero PR groundwork, and honestly the US public was *already tired of foreign wars and casualties*. Even the GOP base has little appetite for this war. Significant casualties will likely be blamed on Hegseth and this Admin in general even by their own base, to preserve the illusion that the US can openly crush any nation it needs to any time it needs to. "Our trillion dollar a year military remains tops, it was just led by a drunk and a fool" is real face saving for the 'America, f*** yeah' crowd.
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Indercarnive4 days ago
+50
"You go to war with the army you have, not the army you want"
This isn't the first time Republicans have led America into a forever war they were not prepared to ever actually wage.
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Morat204 days ago
+33
I cannot overstate how few troops we're sending versus how many we should be sending for boots on the ground anywhere.
This isn't a case of 'going to war with the army you have' so much as 'Gettysburg's tomorrow, lads! We've got 90,000 men, but we'll just send 9000 of them. SHOULD BE FINE".
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MephistoHamProducts4 days ago
+7
My personal nightmare scenario is Trump and Hic'Seth deciding to drop a BCT or two from the 82nd Airborne into Tehran where they'd be impossible to reinforce or resupply.
Then they'd try to use that as a bloody shirt to wave.
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miriafyra4 days ago
+6
"Our boys were seriously and greviously ATTACKED and MURDERED by the Iranians, COMPLETELY UNPROVOKED AND UNCALLED FOR, while they were simply trying to perform their duty of cleansing the entire city of Tehran of moving targets. Totally unfair and disgusting conduct by the terrorist Iranians."
(/s if it wasn't already blindingly clear.)
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fickleferrett4 days ago
+4
It's wild to think that "we sent those troops to invade their country and they got killed so now we have to send more troops to get revenge" is legitimately something I believe Americans would buy into.
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HippoEug4 days ago
+22
If so, RIP to the ground troops. It’s not gonna be pretty.
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metengrinwi4 days ago
+9
*“He knew what he was signing up for”*
—Donald J trump
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InterstellarReddit5 days ago
+129
I do believe Trump is having peace talks but with his inner demons
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senti825 days ago
+46
Which inner demons? He is a demon himself...
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shriand5 days ago
+30
Russian dolls
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EarballsAgain5 days ago
+25
It's demons all the way down
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inconspiciousdude5 days ago
+613
> The proposal for a final agreement is said to include Iran forgoing the development of nuclear weapons, receiving relief from sanctions, and the release of frozen assets.
I'm getting some fuckin' déjà vu here.
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profShadow074 days ago
+212
Straight from 2015
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Deranged_Kitsune4 days ago
+43
Yeah, but that agreement had Obama's name on it, so naturally trump couldn't let it stand.
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encoreAC4 days ago
+193
Wow sounds like a Iran nuclear deal. Can't believe nobody thought of it before.
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arcrad4 days ago
+31
Could call it something like a Combined Exhaustive Procedure of Activity
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DashingDace4 days ago
+17
Combined Unilateral Nuclear Treaty… also known as…
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TheGrinningSkull4 days ago
+4
Brought to you by TACO, pieces may fall apart
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Yuna19894 days ago
+17
But ya see that was OBAMA! Can’t have that! Trump can then say he made such a great deal—Iran would never now. Even should the Trump regime go away, U.S. won’t be trusted again
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wilson14744 days ago
+8
But.... did it have Trumps signature on it!!??
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Orange_Tang4 days ago
+20
I wonder if Obama wakes up every day to this shit and just sighs.
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sirferrell5 days ago
+563
Don’t you just love when this administration keeps manipulating the markets
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Available_Finger_5134 days ago
+155
Who the f*** is allowing themselves to be manipulated like this? Someone is losing money off these lies too.
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ThoughtShes184 days ago
+137
Everyone who isn’t wealthy are the ones losing
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Mictlancayocoatl4 days ago
+25
MAGA who believe anything Trump says.
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ohdogwhatdone5 days ago
+817
Market manipulation attempt not going as planned.
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Pretend_Opposite_1305 days ago
+430
I think the quick reply from Iran before market opens was genius.
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erakis14 days ago
+236
They have to realize by now that a major coordinated attack at market open on a Monday could lead to an unconditional Trump surrender within days. The market is literally the only thing in America that Trump cares about, because his friends and family personally profit from it.
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Nall4 days ago
+37
I don't think a Trump surrender is what they're really after.
I mean, yeah, if they could stop being bombed I'm sure they'd be happy with that. But Iran knew before this war, and it's clear going forward, that they can't really defend themselves from the US military in the traditional sense. The way Iran protects itself from the US doing something like this again in the future is by doing as much damage as they can to the global economy this time around.
Even if Trump announced a complete withdrawal and an end to any military operations in the area, it's still in Iran's interest to keep the straight closed. They want to make this whole situation as painful as they can get away with to stop someone from doing it again in a few years. That's why makes this whole situation feel so intractable to me. The only way out is for the US to ratchet up the rhetoric and mobilization to make Iran think that an actual invasion is coming, but it's clear that there's zero appetite for that either domestically or in NATO.
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wwaxwork4 days ago
+9
Afghanistan and Vietnam managed it and they only had old Russian guns against the might of the US military. Not saying the US won't invade, but if they can't hold countries that were less fanatical and that didn't have 40 years to prepare, not sure how they'll hold Iran.
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Taldarim_Highlord5 days ago
+77
Another temper tantrum from the big orange man incoming. What'll it be, a live action conversion to Islam this time lmao.
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verifitting4 days ago
+10
What a time to live..
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mokomi4 days ago
+7
I'm not going to say they are doing it on purpose, but the timing and saying like calling out where is vance. Sure seems like it.
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CaptainCanuck935 days ago
+72
Futures still green, people still dumb as f*** and believe Trump
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Halbaras4 days ago
+37
Markets have become great at sentiment analysis and decoding statements from the US government and the Fed. But that doesn't work when the US president is lying, and this incident is demonstrating that even institutions are apparently terrible at decoding news coming out of a warzone.
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TurkeyforLove4 days ago
+23
They're not dumb, if it's obvious to us it's more than obvious to them. As long as they have a 'reason' to be optimistic about the market, they will keep pumping it up. If the market crashes, they lose as well.
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Halbaras4 days ago
+6
The fact the US market has been much more strongly bouncing on Trump tweets than international markets when they've both been falling from the same crisis suggests that US investors are taking Truth Social posts more seriously. In theory indexes like the Kospi should be even more sensitive to the potential end of the war than the US.
If different markets price the same information in different ways, they can't both be perfectly efficient. There's every reason to believe US markets are biased towards thinking their president is generally a reliable source.
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mokomi4 days ago
+5
Going all in with loaded dice. You can win almost every game, but lose once and it's over.
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Koekoes_se_makranka4 days ago
+109
Can we just create a timeline of the Trump rhetoric over the Strait of Hormuz??
- Week 1: Oh shit, why’d y’all close the Strait? Ik I bombed you but that’s kinda unfair
- Week 2: It’s ok, we’ll e***** the ships
- Week 3: Update, we can’t e***** the ships. Nato, need help now
- Week 4: We don’t need Nato. Murica big and strong, can open Strait ourselves
- Week 5: What y’all talking about? The Strait isn’t closed, FAKE NEWS. Why are these ships so scaredy-cat to go through?!?!?!?
- Week 6: Damn, the Strait IS closed. Whatever, we don’t use it. Rest of the world, you figure it out!!!
- Week 7: Strait still closed, becoming problem. NATO NEED HELP NOW OR I LEAVE
- Week 8: Don’t worry, Strait will open up naturally
- Week 9: OPEN STRAIT CRAZY BASTARDS OR I BOMB YOU REAL HARD
- Week 10: Please accept my peace deal now to open Strait pretty please
(I’m aware it hasn’t been ten weeks yet, more like this flip-flopping rhetoric happens literally by the hour)
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GrowlingGiant4 days ago
+129
> Mar 3: "We won the war."
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> Mar 7: "We defeated Iran."
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> Mar 9: "We must attack Iran."
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> Mar 9: "The war is ending almost completely, and very beautifully."
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> Mar 11: “You never like to say too early you won. We won. In the first hour it was over.”
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> Mar 12: "We did win, but we haven't won completely yet."
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> Mar 13: "We won the war."
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> Mar 14: "Please help us."
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> Mar 15: "If you don't help us, I will certainly remember it."
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> Mar 16: "Actually, we don't need any help at all."
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> Mar 16: "I was just testing to see who's listening to me."
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> Mar 16: "If NATO doesn't help, they will suffer something very bad."
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> Mar 17: "We neither need nor want NATO's help."
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> Mar 17: "I don't need Congressional approval to withdraw from NATO."
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> Mar 18: "Our allies must cooperate in reopening the Strait of Hormuz."
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> Mar 19: "US allies need to get a grip - step up and help open the Strait of Hormuz."
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> Mar 20: "NATO are cowards."
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> Mar 21: "The Strait of Hormuz must be protected by the countries that use it. We don't use it, we don't need to open it."
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> Mar 22: "This is the last time. I will give Iran 48 hours. Open the strait"
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> Mar 22: "Iran is Dead"
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> Mar 23: "We had very good and productive talks with Iran."
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> Mar 24: "We’re making progress."
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> Mar 24: "[Iran] gave us a present and the present arrived today, and it was a very big present, worth a tremendous amount of money."
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> Mar 25: “They gave us a present and the present arrived today. And it was a very big present worth a tremendous amount of money. I’m not going to tell you what that present is, but it was a very significant prize.”
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> Mar 26: "Make a deal, or we’ll just keep blowing them away."
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> Mar 27: "We don’t have to be there for NATO."
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> Mar 29: Claimed talks were progressing
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> Mar 30: "Open the Strait of Hormuz immediately, or face devastating consequences."
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> Mar 31: Claimed a deal was "very close" and that Iran would "do the right thing"
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> Apr 1: "We’ll see what happens very soon."
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> Apr 2: Repeated that a deal was likely, while warning of continued strikes if not
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> Apr 3: "Something big is going to happen."
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> Apr 4: Said Iran must comply "immediately" or face further consequences.
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> Apr 5: "Open the fuckin' Strait, you crazy bastards, or you'll be living in Hell - JUST WATCH! Praise be to Allah."
List from /u/BaconManDan9
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BaconManDan94 days ago
+60
Feel free to share this everywhere
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Ok-Lavishness59804 days ago
+17
Update it with sources for each quotes and this is legitimately the greatest political Listnook post of all time and should be plastered everywhere for the remainder of this war.
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Otazihs4 days ago
+9
We have a deeply unserious and senile old man leading this country and NOW people are seeing it in great display when in fact, this is the same insane mother trucker from his first time he got elected. It's just now there are no guardrails, there are no Republicans that keep him in check, it's all yes men and sycophants.
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rnbwshrm5 days ago
+171
And yet still, in a few hours the media will report that there's some idiot rumour or Trump's latest senile truthie claiming otherwise. Useless reporting these days.
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T_Shurt5 days ago
+90
It’s pretty wild that Al Jazeera has become the voice of rational reporting as American media outlets continue to sanewash President Epstein’s drivel.
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Kerm994 days ago
+35
It has been for quite awhile now. This is the least surprising thing on the internet right now
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hemingways-lemonade4 days ago
+4
The major news networks are practically at North Korean levels when they report on this war.
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Abject-Bowle5 days ago
+295
Trump has no cards.
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lilBalzac4 days ago
+19
He’s playing games with World War III
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ForeverPrior22795 days ago
+94
But have you said thank you?
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UpsyDowning4 days ago
+40
He’s got cards - in the form of a Strait flush…
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LordScotchyScotch4 days ago
+14
Flush with Epstein photos
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AF20054 days ago
+31
Probably won’t happen until we impeach Trump or invoke the 25th Amendment
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Elegant_Tech5 days ago
+80
MML - Monday morning lies to pump the market like clockwork. Always funny to see all the early Monday propaganda about everyone pushing for a peace plan with no mention or ask about Irans opinion.
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Wade_W_Wilson5 days ago
+18
Except this time it didn’t work.
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quad_damage_orbb5 days ago
+28
Trump will just claim that some super secret diplomatic understanding has been reached, details will be made available soon, maybe in a week or two... everyone seems to forget for 2 weeks, then we go through all of this again.
Meanwhile, the Trump family are short selling oil futures in every round, stealing obscene amounts of money from the public.
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ninetailedoctopus5 days ago
+70
Reopening the strait won’t bring back the oil infrastructure already destroyed by this stupid war Trump caused.
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thesnowsm4 days ago
+19
I believe Israel attacked first. We are their pawns
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Inevitable-Row17595 days ago
+164
"peace proposal" of Trump : Blowing up universities and bridges
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Bolter_NL5 days ago
+42
Please surrender or I will do things to you that mainly make me look bad and weak! SURRENDER NOW!
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VenoBot4 days ago
+14
Praise to Allah type beat. 🍊
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dromtrund5 days ago
+34
Ever watched a movie about war and wondered why they don't just kill the enemy commander when he walks across the battlefield with a white flag? This is why.
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paxinfernum4 days ago
+9
Remember how, during Trump's first debate with Hillary, he espoused how we should use sneak attacks, and everyone pointed out how stupid that was? I sure do.
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leisurechef5 days ago
+127
I’ll give you until (W) to open the stait (X), if you don’t then I’ll (Y) to your (Z)
Iran had looked at this formula & said…
The longer you negotiate with yourself the more we will make lego movies
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hackenclaw4 days ago
+14
shit is gonna be harder to justify an attack when more and more countries start negotiating with Iran to get their ship passage by paying Yuan or possibly other currencies like Euro. lmao.
USA is stuck now, if they attack they gonna be the one burning all the ship that are crossing safety now.
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VibrantHumanoidus4 days ago
+25
Just like Russia giving "peace plan" to Ukraine, consisting of demilitarizing Ukraine, getting occupied territories and those which they had not taken fully (Donbas), while offering "we promise not to invade you again".
And Trump is always mad at Zelensky for not accepting such great peace plan offer.
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NocturnalSaaS4 days ago
+25
Looks like Iran has been paying attention to how Israel honours its "ceasefires."
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Correct-won-61564 days ago
+11
Everything trump says is a lie. He definitely raped children.
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sil3ntwarrior5 days ago
+24
The least surprising news I will probably read today.
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DrothReloaded5 days ago
+26
April 15th is roughly when the last of the oil tankers get to the US from the middle East.. After that the true oil crisis will really begin. Right now we are just paying higher prices to compete/bid against other nations that have already began their respective shortages. Shits going to get really expensive.
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MiigPT4 days ago
+13
Is there a map online to check those oil tankers? I’m curious when the last one will get to Europe
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Main-Bridge34824 days ago
+9
Guys... I'm starting to think this war won't be over in two to three weeks like trump said. I'm shook.
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FatefulDonkey4 days ago
+9
You'd think Trump and Putin are brothers at this point
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vicarofvhs4 days ago
+9
Who would have though having no plan, no clear objective, and no allied support could end up so badly? (/s of course)
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ShakeMyHeadSadly4 days ago
+17
All negotiations with Trump are of the 'take it or leave it' variety and are always backed up by threats. I have no desire to defend Iran and their bad behavior over the years, but they didn't start this.
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you_are_soul4 days ago
+8
Of course they would. Trump must have had a grand old time blowing up the leadership of Iran while pretending to negotiate. Twice. What people like Trump never take into account is that there is a cost that still has to be paid, and that cost was perfectly if accidentally summed up by George Bush jr, .*..fool me once shame on you, fool me twice..cain't git fooled agin...* Iran can now have a totally plausible reason to let Trump stew while he contemplates his inevitable humiliating backdown, they ain't gonna get fooled again.
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TimeForWaluigi4 days ago
+8
Are you telling me that “open the fuckin’ strait” wasn’t a good negotiating tactic
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Stockholm86er4 days ago
+15
Iran does not want temporary ceasefire, they want permanent end of the conflict. Report accurately.
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hesawavemasterrr4 days ago
+14
Surprised Pikachu .jpg
You don’t go to someone’s home, bomb it, kill the people living there and then have the right to say “hey let’s all calm down for a minute”.
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W0gg05 days ago
+7
Make the orange piggy wallow in his mistake.
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HardcoreKaraoke4 days ago
+7
They know Trump's "deadlines" are arbitrary and market manipulation. It's transparent but it works as far as making his friends rich.
Iran isn't going to trust anything Trump says. They won't respect/fear his deadlines.
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komandantmirko4 days ago
+7
why would they agree? america has basically given them control over the strait with all of this nonsense. its a golden opportunity for them. they finally get to control the strait after decades of wanting it, and they have an excuse for it because trump is a moron that cant be reasoned with.
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Taptrick4 days ago
+7
Trump has never had anyone call his bluff before. In business he could screw over smaller companies and contractor. Now this is the world stage where the stakes are high. He has no idea what he’s doing. His only move is to threaten Iran, but Iran doesn’t care. It’s horrifying and fascinating at the same time.
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Brilliant-Option-5264 days ago
+6
They should accept nothing less than Trump resigning.
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-Ny-4 days ago
+5
Trump is such a loser. He may think that he's being "unpredictable" but all he is doing is revealing to Iran just how desperate he is to get out of his clusterfuck. Thus giving away all of his negotiating power.
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deosiceman5 days ago
+11
Why woyld they. They are bombing the shit out of them.
Fn schoolyard bully tactics.
He never left the school yard mentally
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ridewiththerockers4 days ago
+21
Good.
I don't like dictatorial regimes. But at this point it's no longer clear which is the lesser evil. The absolute irony when Iran is pointing out that they are being threatened with war crimes to accept peace terms.
F*** Trump.
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nomadrone4 days ago
+9
More surprising than Iran rejection is the fact that AOL is still in business.
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Ravenblade7274 days ago
+10
The only reason Iran is going to agree to end this is if they get meaningful assurances that they're not going to get bombed to shit the next time Trump needs a distraction. This means they will insist that they get control over Hormuz properly, rather than just notionally. It then becomes a big (if costly) win for them, and a defeat for the US.
It also means that they will be able to return to agreeing not to pursue nukes - because in reality, Hormuz is their nuke. That's their deterrent, baked in, for as long as oil is relevant. Short of the US invading and forcing a win over many years and lives, I do not see any way peace is achieved without Iran legally controlling the strait.
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ollienorth194 days ago
+6
It is very clear that, at this point, Iran is dictating the pace of this conflict, not Trump
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TzeentchsTrueSon4 days ago
+6
Timber the last time they were negotiating with the USA? The USA bombed them.
Why ever try to negotiate again? If they’re going to bomb you during talks, what’s to stop them from bombing you again?
And how many times has Israel broken ceasefires?
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Agitated-Ad-5044 days ago
+5
Can’t even blame them. Zero point in negotiating with habitual liars who violate agreements in the middle of a sentence.
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blueberryrockcandy4 days ago
+4
trumps peace talks:
trump: i do what i want, you get nothing.
iran: no.
trump: yes.
iran: no.
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rollin3404 days ago
+9
> The framework to end hostilities was apparently put together by Pakistan and exchanged with Iran and the US overnight.
> "All elements need to be agreed today," the source said
What kind of bullshit tactic is that? The US administration somehow keeps finding new ways to embarrass themselves huh?
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Otazihs4 days ago
+7
Trump deals in international affairs the same way he dealt with his real estate deals. Pressure and strong arming, he wins and the opponent loses, that's how he sees it. Unfortunately for him, that's not how the world works.
Hell, it didn't work for his deals back then anyway, he's riddled with failed projects and bankruptcies. I honestly don't understand how some people think he's a successful businessman.
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3legcat4 days ago
+7
To accept a ceasefire at this time, would likely be the same as giving US and Israel time to gather forces and material for an upcoming attack.
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analyticaljoe4 days ago
+8
These folks understand that while the US can inflict economic pain, the US does not have the stomach to try to change the regime or invade to take the strait.
That'll be a lot of dead marines if we do that.
Time is on their side. Trump was a fool to do this.
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Midiamp5 days ago
+4
"The incremental approach without a strategy doesn't improve the strategy." - pete hegseth
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queerkidxx5 days ago
+4
Legitimately what happens next? The global economy grinds to a halt? Troops on the ground?
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aigroti4 days ago
+3
"stop shooting us during negotiations and we might negotiate"
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hockenduke4 days ago
+3
I just imagine them bringing a printed email to the Iranian president while he’s watching 90-Day Fiance and he just glances at it and says “no” and hands it back.
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MajorNoodles4 days ago
+3
Iran learned way back during Trump's first term that Trump can be counted on to not uphold his end of a deal.
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SnooHedgehogs46994 days ago
+5
Literally the only thing he can be counted on for.
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loveiseverything4 days ago
+4
Remember the last time when Iran was making a deal with Trump and then Trump killed f****** everyone in Iran's chain of command?
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Jeffuk884 days ago
+4
This is like playing Civ 5 where if you backstab someone enough they just WONT make peace with you even if you're dominating them
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veni_vedi_vinnie4 days ago
+4
Iran is daring the ground invasion. They know the president wont order that since it’s political suicide. 5.00 gas in the US is also political suicide.
Iran just has to hold its position for a few more weeks.
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batangR4 days ago
+4
Gotta be the shittiest deal
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Competitive_Shock7834 days ago
+5
President Moron attacked them during peace negotiations.... twice. He's going to have to offer his balls on a silver platter before they take him seriously.
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