Iran rejects US ceasefire proposal, insists on permanent end to conflict

Guess who requested peace-talks a day before getting kidnapped? Maduro!

I swear, there’s an AMA post somewhere here in Listnook of a guy that traveled in every country and was asked who are the nicest people in the world. His answer was the Iranian people. He gave examples of his personal experiences of why he said so. Think about it, more often than not, we are not our government. Whatever politics you hear in media doesn’t always represent the people of that nation. That’s why during these times, i think about the Iranians and i hope they finally get the government that will fight for their freedom and welfare. I wish someone can post a link of that AMA in here.

Its hard to be mad at Iran for doing exactly what plenty of major countries do. America funds more terrorists than Iran does Edit: its hilarious how people refuse to just use google to look up some of the groups the CIA has funded, or even the fact that just this week trump lamented the fact that our weapons to arm insurgents went to the wrong group.

The us has been funding and arming rebels or “terrorists” if you’re on the other side for almost 100 years. South America, some of the same people in the Middle East that we call terrorists now we’re trained and funded by the cia. Cartels in Mexico all use American made weapons.

I think Venezuela might have something to say, as well as Honduras, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan...

The US shouldn't have attacked Iran. Otherwise it wouldn't have happened.

Yes. That’s the only reason why.

Because he's a narcissist and every decision he has ever made was based on self-glorification.

He just wants a shiny prize that tells him what a good boy he is.

He loves gold

Also its a prestigious award and he needs constant validation from powerful groups and people

Yes. In his head, he's right, and Iran is wrong for not accepting their lose. Europe is wrong for not helping him by sacrificing their soldiers instead of his.

Honestly I think it does in his head make sense to him. I think he is old and senile enough to believe all the bull shit he is spewing all the time.

Yep, even if a democrat does fix things, for all of use outside the US it's only a matter of time before MAGA 2.0 takes the presidency again, and all those new shiny mutually beneficial agreements and arrangements are turn up on favour of more bullying

The restrictions on Iran would have expired, why would Iran want to sit down and put new restrictions in place?

There are no "moderates" in the Islamic Republic of Iran, and there's precisely zero reason to assume they would've "consolidated power", if only Iran had more money and power. The Iranian people used to believe that in "reformists" being able to transform the system into something less ideological and extreme, but that belief was disproven a decade ago. The IR is an explicitly ideological project, and there's no reason it would *abandon* its ideology, if it got more resources to fulfill it. Besides, we simply know it's not true. The billions of dollars that the JCPOA injected into the Iranian economy went straight into building their Qassem Suleimani's project of a massive proxy army, funding and arming militias in Lebanon, Syria, Yemen and Iraq, destroying those countries even further, for the purpose of creating a mortal threat to Israel. Iran wasn't even asked to abandon their goals of "exporting the revolution", or destroying Israel, let alone agreed to them. So no, neither the region nor Israel would've been safer. And no, I don't see any reason for Iran to renew the JCPOA after the sunset clause. To be clear: Iran was never allowed to try to build nuclear weapons, with or without the JCPOA, as part of their obligations under the NPT. The reason the JCPOA happened, is because they were found building a secret nuclear facility by Western intelligence. Even if we accept your narrative, all you're saying that they were trying to violate the NPT, lie to the IAEA, and building nukes before, and are now trying to do it again - and for some reason, you view this proof that the JCPOA would not be some temporary setback, rather than the other way around. Why? And "succeeded by a moderate cleric", rather than his freakin' son, that was always discussed as his successor (even though Khamenei the elder didn't like it) - why? What makes you assume that if the "extremist" Khamenei could get his pick, it would be someone "moderate", i.e. opposed to his own values? What on earth is this fantasy entire based on?

The US was one of eight countries in the deal. And the only to pull out in 2018. The deal itself wasn’t ended until 2025. It’s speculated that Trump was persuaded by a presentation Netanyahu gave titled Iran lied which led to undermined trust in how forthcoming Iran was with inspections. Violations starting to creep in starting in 2019 but there were some issues with Heavy Water even before that although IAEA validated and other countries signed off.

Well that's fine to aim for if youre winning the war. Not if the other side can destroy all your infrastructure in 4 hours

Iran doesn't direct their proxies like that, they have a lot of autonomy. Iran had made no attacks on Israel in the days and weeks before the war started. America attacked them DURING NEGOTIATIONS for the second time.