Did they really think Israel was gonna respect the ceasefire?
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defroach84Apr 9, 2026
+6
Were they part of the agreement?
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henryptungApr 9, 2026
+2
According to the WH, yes: [https://www.cnn.com/2026/04/07/world/live-news/iran-war-trump-us-israel?post-id=cmnp7miad00003b6s9x0ujhe8](https://www.cnn.com/2026/04/07/world/live-news/iran-war-trump-us-israel?post-id=cmnp7miad00003b6s9x0ujhe8)
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defroach84Apr 9, 2026
+1
That's against Iran, not Lebanon.
They aren't attacking Iran.
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henryptungApr 10, 2026
+2
So the claim is that the Pakistani PM is lying about the ceasefire covering Lebanon, while the US and Israel (belligerents in the conflict) are honest? The risk of bias seems much larger from the belligerents than from an external negotiator.
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defroach84Apr 10, 2026
+1
Why would Iran be negotiating over a cease fire in Lebanon without Lebanon even present?
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henryptungApr 10, 2026
+1
Lebanon's government is not a belligerent unless it's actively fighting back (i.e. striking Israeli forces). It doesn't have to be present for Israel to agree not to bomb Lebanese territory, and even if it is, it has nothing to sign because it would just continue doing what it's already doing.
Hezbollah would be such a belligerent, but it's likely Iran can speak on their behalf as proxy.
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defroach84Apr 10, 2026
+2
Again, you are missing the point. Why would Iran be negotiating without Lebanon involved. It doesn't make sense for a very fragile ceasefire to be over a separate war a thousand miles away.
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henryptungApr 10, 2026
+1
Iran can negotiate over whatever it wishes. It only comes down to what conditions are in the final agreement and who was willing to sign that agreement. Iran's own proposals bring up Lebanon, so it seems pretty obvious that would be a factor in the talks.
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defroach84Apr 10, 2026
+1
Again, why is it obvious that it would be part of it?
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44Stryker44Apr 8, 2026
+31
Iran hasn’t respected it either. They attacked the gulf nations right after the announcement and have done it all day
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Tuco_salaApr 8, 2026
+44
It's because Iran's oil facility was attached first after the announcement
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44Stryker44Apr 8, 2026
+45
Likely by the UAE because Iran attacked them immediately after the ceasefire announcement
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Tuco_salaApr 8, 2026
-44
You know things can't go into effect just after the announcement? It takes time. Iran's military is decentralised.
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44Stryker44Apr 8, 2026
+45
They said immediately. If they can’t control their own forces and those forces attack, it still falls under their responsibility.
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Tuco_salaApr 8, 2026
-20
It doesn't work like that, usually countries have an understanding that waits for 24 hrs for things to calm down.
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TheBandedCootApr 8, 2026
+51
So, with your rationale Israel can bomb for 6 and a half more hours without breaking the ceasefire. You cant have it both ways bud. Iran struck 3 countries with ballistic missiles after the ceasefire was announced. If anything, they have themselves to blame.
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Confident_Incident43Apr 8, 2026
+11
I believe it's a checkmate when there's no response
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Tuco_salaApr 9, 2026
-1
It's more like I have a life and I don't want to argue with a goofball
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Tuco_salaApr 9, 2026
+3
Israel said Lebanon is not included in the ceasefire. There's a difference you hamburger
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44Stryker44Apr 8, 2026
+21
Except that’s what they said so it was supposed to work like that
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Tuco_salaApr 8, 2026
+1
Where did they say that it'll go into effect just the next second after the tweet?
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44Stryker44Apr 8, 2026
+18
I didn’t realize 1-2hr is the next second now
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pucasliceApr 8, 2026
+21
Bruh get off Iran meat
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fireky2Apr 8, 2026
+5
You have to understand trumps tweets are binding law, unlike the pesky geneva convention
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MrBoomBox69Apr 8, 2026
> You know things can't go into effect just after the announcement? It takes time.
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DebentureThymeApr 8, 2026
+10
They attacked them within a few minutes of the agreement, with missiles that were already in the air before the agreement - launched by a decentralized part of their military. They've decentralized so that they can act autonomously, against a US that frequent seeks to target central leadership.
We shouldn't be surprised when messages aren't instantly communicated through the hierarchy of a military specifically setup to not depend entirely on a hierarchy.
That's quite different than Israel bombing Lebanon *today*.
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44Stryker44Apr 8, 2026
+23
Except they continued to attack and the regime leadership is still responsible for the actions of their forces even if they’re decentralized.
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DebentureThymeApr 8, 2026
-9
No, what you're doing is defending Israel's bombing of Lebanon as if that's justified based on attacks that were triggered prior to an agreement.
And you're deflecting from the real circumstance, the ISRAEL STATED circumstance: Israel says the ceasefire is still in place.
if it's in place, then it's in place, not "they violated it so now Israel can as well" - that's your justification, but that's not Israel's. They aren't disputing the ceasefire being in place.
# You're arguing a point that Israel itself isn't.
ISRAEL, however, refuses to apply it to Lebanon. Because they see the opportunity to seize part of southern Lebanon, and so they have no intention of stopping attacks.
So this had *nothing* to do with the fre strikes Iran made within a reasonable window that was triggered prior to an agreement. That shit happens in war all the time.
No, you're just just deflecting on Israel refusing to actually follow the ceasefire points that Iran said were required to open the Strait. Israel simply doesn't care about the rest of the world, they want to seize part of Lebanon and they're going to do it.
Why would ANYONE expect Iran to keep the Strait open when the terms they put forth for a ceasefire and opening aren't being followed?
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Acceptable_Noise651Apr 8, 2026
+15
Israel bombing Lebanon has zero to do with the CEASEFIRE agreement, Lebanon is not part of the ceasefire. Iran is just finding excuses to not open the strait
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DebentureThymeApr 8, 2026
-2
Again, it's literally in their requirements for the agreement.
That was the deal yesterday. We want the Strait open? Ceasefire, including Lebanon. It was written down and communicated through Pakistan as the negotiator, you can't claim this wasn't the deal. We literally had it communicated through a 3rd party that is the ONLY way they are willing to speak to us now.
If we didn't agree, then we should have rejected the ceasefire. TACO Donny got calls from people of wealth and world leaders thoigh, which righfully pointed out the severe damage to the world and economy (and his GOP) that attacking civilian power plants and bridges would cause. I'm obviously glad he backed down, but he shouldn't make such boisterous and dangerous threats (that are also war crimes) if he wasn't going to act.
It's very obvious Iran was willing to go past the line he drew in the sand, but that he wasn't actually willing to commit because it's going to f*** the entire world. That's why you don't MAKE such threats, beyond the "being war crimes" part; If you back down, you look the fool.
Well, Iran gave him a way out, and it was a 10 point ceasefire plan through Pakistan. If we aren't going to agree, there's no reason they should keep the Strait open. That includes Israel, as Iran isn't going to be content with giving up their Strait bargaining chip if another country is still attacking them their allies.
It falls on us to now either declare the ceasefire over, or pressure Israel to stop. Only the second option opens the Strait.
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SleepingguitarmanApr 8, 2026
-2
Except lebanon was part of the agreement...
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Acceptable_Noise651Apr 8, 2026
+1
Nope.
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44Stryker44Apr 8, 2026
+19
I’m not arguing for Israel at all. Iran is attacking countries that aren’t Israel and you’re bringing up Israel. If someone you know across town attacks someone else, that doesn’t mean your neighbor can attack you
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DebentureThymeApr 8, 2026
-14
No, Iran *attacked*. Past tense, with those missiles hitting within literally minutes of the ceasefire, and everyone involved understanding they were already launched.
Expecting operations that are purposefully decentralized to cease instantly is... Well, that's madness.
An hour later? Sure. But those happened within 10 minutes of the ceasefire.
Have they continued? No. They haven't.
Has Israel said Iran broke the ceasefire and it's off? Has the US?
No. They haven't.
You're arguing Iran broke a ceasefire in a way that the leaders of the involved nations *aren't*. You're gaining nothing dying on this hill, they aren't standing with you.
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44Stryker44Apr 8, 2026
+18
They continued. Look at the reports from Kuwait, Bahrain, the UAE, and Saudi Arabia
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itsatumbleweedApr 8, 2026
+1
It's unclear if Israel or Iran was the first to ignore the ceasefire, but it's clear that neither is agreeing to it now.
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Ultra_MetalApr 8, 2026
+9
Iran broke it first by attacking Arab countries. Also, Lebanon was not part of the deal so Israel didn't break any ceasefire.
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Key-Wall-4378Apr 8, 2026
+6
They were never required to stop.
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boilerromeoApr 8, 2026
-4
The ceasefire wasn’t between Israel and Lebanon to begin with.
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Tuco_salaApr 8, 2026
+14
Check Pakistan's PM tweet
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boilerromeoApr 8, 2026
+24
Yeah, that’s what the Pakistani Pm said. Neither the US or Israel agreed to that term though.
Diplomacy via tweet hasn’t served any side well.
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Tuco_salaApr 8, 2026
+8
And Pakistanis celebrating like they stopped the war, trying their best to stay relevant.
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lebenklonApr 8, 2026
+10
Every single public statement regarding a ceasefire has been made via tweet from all parties involved though. We have no idea what, if anything, has actually been agreed. Neutral states France and Pakistan have said that the Israel-Lebanon war is part of the ceasefire deal so I am inclined to believe that was agreed upon by the US. If Israel wanted to sabotage the ceasefire deal then continuing the attacks on Lebanon is a way to do that.
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boilerromeoApr 8, 2026
+7
“Mr. Netanyahu’s announcement early on Wednesday about Lebanon’s exclusion from the cease-fire contradicted a statement from Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif of Pakistan, a mediator of the truce in Iran. Mr. Sharif said that the two-week suspension of hostilities would extend to the small Mediterranean nation.
Karoline Leavitt, the White House press secretary, confirmed on Wednesday that Lebanon was not part of the cease-fire deal.”
[NYTimes Source](https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/08/world/middleeast/iran-ceasefire-lebanon-israel-hezbollah.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share)
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henryptungApr 9, 2026
+1
So what you're claiming is that the Pakistani PM is lying about the contents of the ceasefire deal. But you're believing the US and Israel, who are belligerents in the conflict, over Pakistan, who is the negotiating middleman? Isn't there a much greater risk of bias/deception from the belligerents?
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boilerromeoApr 10, 2026
+1
I’m just saying what the US and Israel said publicly. I’m not passing any judgement on what Pakistan said.
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henryptungApr 10, 2026
+1
Their claims are mutually incompatible, so accepting either as fact is passing judgment on the other.
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boilerromeoApr 10, 2026
+1
I don’t know what to tell you dude. Pakistan said they had a deal that included a ceasefire in Lebanon. Netanyahu And Trump said it didn’t include a ceasefire in Lebanon.
What did any reasonable observer think would happen with that combination of asshats?
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henryptungApr 10, 2026
+1
I don't think "reasonable" deductions apply to someone who would start such a war without realizing the strategic implications of the strait, so I don't know what to tell you either.
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boilerromeoApr 10, 2026
+1
The ‘reasonable observer’ in my statement applies to everyone watching this unfold. Not Trump or Netanyahu. Gotta work on reading comprehension my man.
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TrylldomApr 8, 2026
-13
Yes it was.
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boilerromeoApr 8, 2026
+11
Not according to Al Jazeera
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/4/8/netanyahu-says-us-iran-ceasefire-does-not-include-lebanon
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lebenklonApr 8, 2026
-22
you are here to simply push narratives
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boilerromeoApr 8, 2026
+14
Coming with source material is pushing narratives?
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henryptungApr 9, 2026
+1
It's a quote from Netanyahu. That doesn't exactly qualify as an impartial source, given Netanyahu's government is the one that bombed Lebanon after the agreement.
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curorororoApr 8, 2026
-12
which is probably why Iran made sure the ceasefire and hormuz was contingent on Israel not murdering anymore people.
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CasualVoxApr 8, 2026
+13
Who could have seen that coming?
Doing a great job distracting from the Epstein files tho
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Tannerd101Apr 8, 2026
+5
This war is such a shit show
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Street_AnonApr 8, 2026
+11
Lebanon or Iran ten points was never a part of the agreement.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/mideast-conflict/article/ceasefire-plan-published-by-iran-not-the-one-agreed-by-us-white-house/
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GotEggsApr 8, 2026
+26
Point 10 yesterday;
10. Cessation of war on all fronts, including against Hezbollah in Lebanon
Point 10 in this article;
Cessation of war on all fronts, including against the heroic Islamic Resistance of Lebanon.
What are you talking about exactly?
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TheBandedCootApr 8, 2026
+23
Maybe if you read the title of the article then you’d have an idea. It says “ceasefire plan published by Iran not the one agreed to by US; whitehouse. “
The ten points referenced in the article are the ones published by Iran. I know, reading is hard sometimes but I hope this helps.
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TADthePaperMakerApr 8, 2026
+1
It may be pedantic but it says the US, not Israel but they are allied in this war so I see their point
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DebentureThymeApr 8, 2026
+9
Iran had demands for a ceasefire, while the US demanded in turn that the Strait be open.
Why should they open the Strait, and take the pressure off from their one major bargaining chip, if others aren't giving them any of their demands?
Like it's not a permanent truce, and much of that 10 point plan isn't actionable. BUT if Trump wants the Strait open with a ceasefire, then he needs to get Bibi on the phone and tell them to stop this shit for the two weeks. That's all, just adhere to what they can during those two weeks while negotiations start. They aren't forever beholden to what Iran set forth, but they should follow what they can in good faith, for the length of the ceasefire, if they intend to actually negotiate.
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church-rosserApr 8, 2026
-10
Sure, cuz Israel honors ceasefire agreements right?
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DebentureThymeApr 8, 2026
+3
Not really the point here, but I think you've misread me if you think I'm supporting them. Their leadership is corrupt as f*** and has committed crimes against humanity.
They want to seize southern Lebanon, so they're unwilling to stop right now, but orange man in chief should at least pressure them to back the f*** off for two weeks. Even he's sick of the war they got him into, and Israel is going to struggle to maintain influence on the US much longer if they keep warmongering and refusing to stop their expansion aims.
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Ultra_MetalApr 8, 2026
+11
Exactly. The Islamic Republic is lying to the world again.
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Street_AnonApr 8, 2026
+4
Well dah!
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Ultra_MetalApr 9, 2026
I know it's obvious but it still has to be said because so many morons around the world believe the Islamic Republic's word blindly.
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Bishopjones2112Apr 8, 2026
-9
Yeah the United States is actually lying more than anyone combined.
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Ultra_MetalApr 9, 2026
The Islamic Republic is lying infinity times infinity. Checkmate.
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RandoDude124Apr 8, 2026
+1
It says on point 10
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Fine-Cucumber8589Apr 8, 2026
+7
I didn't want to believe it at first, but I'm starting to think Epstein was a Mossad asset and that the "island" was their operation. To me, it's the only logical explanation for why Israel is acting this way
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ThisGuySaidApr 8, 2026
+28
Of course he was an intelligence asset he had dirt on literally everyone
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LateNightCoffeeShopApr 8, 2026
+4
Bro's finally caught up
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church-rosserApr 8, 2026
-8
ya think?
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EnoratsApr 8, 2026
-11
Wait, so you're saying Jews really do run the world?!
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watch-nerdApr 8, 2026
+5
Since the US isn't attacking Iran, they can't still claim blocking the Strait is an act of self-defense.
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SP1570Apr 8, 2026
+4
At this point they need no motive/justification: thanks to this war they have proven that they control the Strait and that the world cannot afford for it to be closed...
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SeaGrizApr 9, 2026
+1
Oh wow, Israel didn’t honor a cease fire. What shocking news.
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SarasCaptionsApr 8, 2026
+3
Well that was a quick two weeks.
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Azure_OmishkaApr 8, 2026
-7
Ah, Israel continues to f*** over the rest of the world... Buncha clowns man.
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curorororoApr 8, 2026
-5
Mission Impossible: Israel trying not to bomb anyone with US bombs for three hours.
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melch44Apr 8, 2026
-2
Just release the Epstein files and get this all over with.
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church-rosserApr 8, 2026
-3
plot twist: the ceasefire was actually an Israeli intelligence gathering operation to locate decentralized IRCG drone/missile launch units operating independently outside the now damaged Iranian central command.
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SP1570Apr 8, 2026
+1
Big reveal: it was market manipulation
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ChatamKayApr 8, 2026
-3
They want more taco’s before they accept unconditional surrender.
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