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Apprehensive-Mind112 Apr 4, 2026 +891

Iran treating the most critical global shipping chokepoint like a VIP section at a club. Everyone else is restricted, but Iraq is on the guest list, let him through

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tegmorrisproduction Apr 4, 2026 +167

Just imagining an Iranian frigate pulling out a velvet rope and checking the clipboard when an Iraqi tanker rolls up

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jamie9910 Apr 4, 2026 +32

Iran doesn't have any frigates left they got sunk.

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Fallouttgrrl Apr 5, 2026 +17

Give them another couple of weeks of control of the strait and they can pretty much ask for any number of frigates they want.

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MaxedMinute Apr 5, 2026 +1

Reportedly, they still have subs. 🤷

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GrimHoly Apr 4, 2026 +9

I didn’t know the new coral reef could pull out a rope

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wcsib01 Apr 4, 2026 -22

lol “Iranian frigate” what, are there unicorns guarding it too

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hoppertn Apr 4, 2026 +43

Iraq knows the owner. 😂

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So_HauserAspen Apr 5, 2026

I rock, like a bad dad

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Calculonx Apr 4, 2026 +25

The fact that Iran is being friendly to Iraq says so much about this whole situation.

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KrombopulosThe2nd Apr 4, 2026 +14

Didn't Iran literally say anyone except Israeli and American ships could pass as long as they paid a toll? To include all middle Eastern countries at long as they got rid of the American bases? And most of the American bases in Iraq were abandoned last month. So this seems consistent as far as I can tell

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FukushimaBlinkie Apr 4, 2026 +10

It's interesting because majority of Iraq is the same sect of Islam as Iran. Saddams party was a religious minority in the country which is at least partially the cause of the tension between them in the first place

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PleasantWay7 Apr 4, 2026 +13

And a picture of America and Israel on the wall under persona non grata.

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eorlingas_riders Apr 4, 2026 +12

“VIP section at a club”. When countries do it it’s called sanctioning. They are sanctioning the US, and anyone else they don’t like. Similar how the US did it against Iranian and Russian oil. It’s a statement of international control.

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denNISI Apr 4, 2026 +36

It wasn't like this before this war - who is to blame for the change?

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qwqwqw Apr 5, 2026 +28

Depends how far you want to go. Personally I think the American people at large are at fault.

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playfulmessenger Apr 5, 2026 +2

Some of us are old enough to have lived through the Iran vs Iraq war. And the oddness of the US backing one, then switching to back the other.

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okay_throwaway_today Apr 4, 2026 +8

Club Aqua? You get in there? How the f*** did you get into Aqua?

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dbrodbeck Apr 4, 2026 +7

Iraq made the deck at Club Aqua, they just dip in though.

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flyingflail Apr 4, 2026 +26

Taking lessons from Trump

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NastyStreetRat Apr 4, 2026 +11

I think they're going to end up putting up a sign saying: "Israel and the US no, the rest yes."

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smokincuban Apr 4, 2026 +9

Seems like that's how we're doing things now. Trump wants to run the country like that. Why can't others?

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fantasmoofrcc Apr 4, 2026 +3

*You, you, you to the left...YOU! To the right.*

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igame2much Apr 5, 2026 +1

Pulling straight from the Trump playbook. Classic.

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CBT7commander Apr 4, 2026

It’s not the most critical. That would be Malacca

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Tower-Union Apr 4, 2026 +331

I feel like they’re gonna just keep slowly adding countries until it’s everybody in the world except the USA

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BOPSurfcasting Apr 4, 2026 +104

Unfortunately the Iranians have to block most countries for their "choke" to be effective, blocking only US bound tankers would only increase US oil prices by about 10%

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KrombopulosThe2nd Apr 4, 2026 +49

I don't think they are personally trying to raise the oil prices. They essentially said that anyone that wasn't Isreal and the US could transit the strait as long as they pay whatever the toll was. If oil prices go up, it will be because the US attacks them with boots on the ground and they follow through with the threat to mine the straits. Essentially, oil prices should gradually recovery as long as trump *doesn't* attack them - however, as we all know, Trump is not one to avoid taking the dumbest route... So I guess we'll see what happens tonight/tomorrow.

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BOPSurfcasting Apr 5, 2026 +6

Yes that is what the Iranians said, but in practice there has only been two confirmed incidents where fees were paid.

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20price Apr 5, 2026 +2

No, the way it was worded was definitely including UAE and other gulf countries as the countries they wouldnt allow through. I mean they are also heavily targeting them (around 20missiles and 50 drones a day aimed at just the UAE). And they would allow them to transport oil through?

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KrombopulosThe2nd Apr 5, 2026 +2

It was worded essentially as "if you are currently aligned to one of the two countries that are actively attacking us, killing our leaders, and assassinating our diplomats trying to negotiate peace > then you cannot currently use our territorial waters (eg straits of hormuz)"

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20price Apr 6, 2026 +1

And that reasoning is exactly why they have been targeting the UAE all this time as well. Why is the UAE still not sending ships through the strait then? They number of attackes towards the UAE is far more than even towards Israel. Wtf is that all about then? [“Iran claims the Strait remains open except to vessels belonging to nations attacking Iran and nations supporting attacks on Iran. Iraqi vessels have been granted specific permission to transit the Strait, according to statements on Iran's state media.”](https://www.seatrade-maritime.com/security/iran-allows-15-ships-through-strait-of-hormuz?utm_source=chatgpt.com)

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KrombopulosThe2nd Apr 6, 2026 +1

Most of the US attacks on Iran generally originate from the UAE (other than ones from the ships) - like most of the Intel operations against Iran, are likely centered in the UAE (the Dubai offices and homes that were struck). The UAE allows use of its airspace and it's bases for American staging grounds Are you unaware of that?

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20price Apr 6, 2026 +1

All the gulf states are the same from this regard. There are US bases all over. Yet they were against the Iran attack. They did not approve the use of their bases for it. They deny they are involved, iran says they are involved. Who are you gonna believe. Regardless, only Iraq has received an exemption, and you can see that the ships of the other gulf nations havent sailed through the strait either. Iran says one thing but in reality they want to see the world suffer to put pressure on Trump to stop. End of story

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KrombopulosThe2nd Apr 6, 2026 +1

The US bases across the middle east were all attacked. UAE just had more than average + it's where the more 'comfy' jobs are (likely people that were just doing intelligence operations). And the other country with a high number of bases (Iraq) was mostly emptied of us soldiers (that I know of at least, I get the same news as anyone else). The UAE was still hosting operations against Iran up through late last month from what I saw (potentially through now, but I'm not the expert here and general military opsec will obscure most actual operation details from the news)

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20price Apr 6, 2026 +1

Can you provide a credible link to that claim by the way?

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KrombopulosThe2nd Apr 6, 2026 +1

"most" was probably a strong word - opsec will obscure most details and I operate mostly off of open source Intel (primarily international news from countries outside of the United States and social media scams) - which is obviously heavily laden with propaganda across the board. I personally don't consider any individual source of data particularly credible. I only take note when there is a pattern of data from multiple places. And I use a couple of personally built AI tools to compile news data (financial market analysis as my actual use case for why I built it all, but it also helps with staying up to date within this ridiculous propaganda-filled environment) - I'd have to search back through a bunch of docs to get the exact set of links. Plus I have a former military background, with a decent amount of experience in the gulf region, so it's a bit easier to cut through the clutter.

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KrombopulosThe2nd Apr 4, 2026 -1

I don't think they are personally trying to raise the oil prices. They essentially said that anyone that wasn't Isreal and the US could transit the strait as long as they pay whatever the toll was. If oil process go up, it will be because the US attacks them with boots on the ground and they follow through with the threat to mine the straits. Essentially, oil prices should gradually recovery as long as trump *doesn't* attack them - which we all know, Trump is not one to avoid taking the dumbest route... So I guess we'll see what happens tonight/tomorrow.

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crimsonpowder Apr 5, 2026 +3

“If you don’t know what you’re doing, then neither will your enemy.” - Don Tzu

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demonica123 Apr 5, 2026 +2

>as long as they pay whatever the toll was. See it helps if you can tell people what they owe you before they arrive at the door. Especially if you want Chinese Yuan in cash.

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KrombopulosThe2nd Apr 5, 2026 +2

It was $2M from what I remember.

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SquisherX Apr 5, 2026 +1

So isn't that about $30 toll per barrel of oil? I can't see how that fits with them not wanting to raise the price of oil.

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KrombopulosThe2nd Apr 5, 2026 +1

It fits with them needing money to rebuild their infrastructure. I'm sure there's a diplomatic way to get that toll turned off, but it would likely require reparations for all the stuff we just went in and destroyed (literally in the middle of negotiations BTW)

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KrombopulosThe2nd Apr 5, 2026 +1

Also, oil in a world without conflict would be around $50. So it would still be considerably below the current oil prices even when including $30/barrel that Iran would essentially be using to rebuild their country

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KrombopulosThe2nd Apr 5, 2026

1. They would not have attacked if they were not attacked first. And the infrastructure that was hit were in retaliation strikes *only after* their oil infrastructure was hit first. 2. It sure will - but their civilian and defense infrastructure was hit first, and the more damage that is caused to them, the more money they will need to fix their shit

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KrombopulosThe2nd Apr 5, 2026

Dude their leader was just ambushed in the middle of negotiations and "10,000" targets were hit within their country. Are they just supposed to say - OK that's cool, do whatever you want to our country, we'll make sure not to do anything that might have a negative impact on you in the short term?

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KrombopulosThe2nd Apr 6, 2026

Essentially the cost of attacking them? I don't know what to tell you. The toll wouldn't exist if they weren't attacked

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Tower-Union Apr 4, 2026

True.

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Dazzling-Rub-8550 Apr 5, 2026

Increased oil prices also means more profit for trumps oil company buddies. So it’s win win for him anyways. Sure he might lose the midterms, but he can use ICE and DOJ to fix the next presidential election or just declare martial law and end all elections.

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NarrMaster Apr 4, 2026 +14

"No Uniteds allowed" "But the UAE is allowed!" "Uniteds. Plural. Its allowed one"

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catinreverse Apr 4, 2026 +3

No Homers

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Mightysmurf1 Apr 5, 2026 +1

But you let in Homer Glumplet.

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[deleted] Apr 4, 2026 +5

And then they will start selling oil in Yuan and the petrodollar's collapse will finish off the USA

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SporksInjected Apr 4, 2026 -1

This seems like Iran cracking.

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Extreme-Island-5041 Apr 4, 2026 +39

From the Iran Iraq war to VIP treatment. Truly a wonder to watch geopolitical winds shift.

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DashLeJoker Apr 5, 2026 +7

Trump should win the peace price for uniting everyone else against the u.s

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SMTTajWAR Apr 5, 2026 +2

Reminds me of Japan, Germany and Italy post WWII.

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hoppertn Apr 4, 2026 +125

Irans turning the straights into the biggest treehouse and only the cool kids get to come up. 😂

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smokincuban Apr 4, 2026 +65

You get preferential treatment if you don't bomb the treehouse

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SilentWay8474 Apr 4, 2026 +19

And if you're their Shia-majority neighbor with the best location for hosting an invasion force.

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ACMomani Apr 4, 2026 +1

I mean there are so many people in Iraq pledging allegiance to Iran, politicians included. They followed Iran's guidance and ask for their approval in some matters.. they even mourned Khamenei because of how devoted they are to him.

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SporksInjected Apr 5, 2026 +1

What??

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ACMomani Apr 5, 2026

Yup. As bad as Saddam was, he was keeping Iran in check. After he was gone Iran infested Iraq and their influence grew at an insane rate.

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KrombopulosThe2nd Apr 4, 2026 +3

Essentially saying that oil prices will go down and things will start to go back to normal... As long as they *aren't* attacked. So guess we'll see which option Trump takes.. And given he just fired 3 *more* senior generals yesterday, doesn't look good at all.

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ThemBonesAreMe Apr 4, 2026 +5

The No Donalds club

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SnakeskinJim Apr 4, 2026 +4

"How come Donald Tusk is allowed in?"

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ThemBonesAreMe Apr 5, 2026 +1

It's the No Donald**S** club, we're allowed to have one

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twowholebeefpatties Apr 5, 2026 +1

No Homers

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R3D4F Apr 4, 2026 +37

Trump… bringing the world together in unity against the U.S.

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F1eshWound Apr 4, 2026 +4

quite literally..

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heeeeres_jonny Apr 5, 2026 +2

Oh god, he's Lelouch vi Britannia

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broccollinear Apr 5, 2026 +2

That’s some Dune-level Golden Path shit right there. In a decade will we praise the efforts of God-Emperor Trump for achieving world peace, at the sacrifice of the American Empire?

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IntrepidOption31415 Apr 4, 2026 +116

Its nice to see iraq - iran be buddy buddy for once. Some good to come out of all of this, lol Edit:it's just a light-hearted joke, I'm aware geopolitics are not that simple here. Thanks for all the background info though!

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Ornery_Tension3257 Apr 4, 2026 +95

Iraq, like Iran is majority Shiite, although only just compared to Iran. The Iran Iraq war occurred when Hussein, Sunni, was in power. Iran groups also assisted the US in the 2003 invasion overthrowing Hussain. (Iran also assisted in the fight against ISIS) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_involvement_in_the_Iraq_War Note. Not saying Iran is ruled by angels, just that the history is, and the relationships are complex.

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freeblowjobiffound Apr 5, 2026 +3

Morale of story : never assist the US or you'll get bombed one day

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BKlounge93 Apr 4, 2026 +10

Taylor Lautner = Taylor Swift

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Ornery_Tension3257 Apr 4, 2026 +12

Barrack Obama was President of the US from 2009 to 2017. Saddam Hussein ruled Iraq from 1979 to 2003. The US is a country in the northern part of the western hemisphere and part of the North American Continent. Iraq is in whats called the Middleast, roughly equatorial and connected and to the south of the Eurasian continent.

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Popotuni Apr 4, 2026 +1

It wasn't a very good one.

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davejugs01 Apr 4, 2026 +2

Relax guy

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MukdenMan Apr 4, 2026 +12

It’s not as simple as this. Iran and Iraq were enemies back when it was Saddam/The Ba’ath Party. This was a conflict between Sunni and Shia but also between very different visions of regional dominance. Now in post-Baath Iraq, it’s a democracy and Shia are the majority. Iran has a lot of influence there including supporting Shia militant groups. It doesn’t make sense for them to be opposed to Iraq as a nation although they of course oppose the US presence there. The idea that this current war led to some newfound goodwill is not correct.

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neo_nl_guy Apr 4, 2026 +5

Very good points. Iran started to gain influence in Iraq the moment Saddam was deposed.

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Nal1999 Apr 4, 2026 +7

Just a reminder that in Persia the 2 capitals were in Iran (Persepolis, ceremonial) and Iraq (Babylon,the centre of the empire).

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WeakBlueberry5071 Apr 4, 2026 +7

Uniting the world, one foe alliance at a time.

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byndrsn Apr 4, 2026 +2

Trump will take credit for it I'm sure

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iRegretsEverything Apr 4, 2026 +1

Weird decades of animosity, now frenz

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manniesalado Apr 5, 2026 +11

Every country on the planet now has a choice. They can stand with Trump and stay away from the Persian Gulf, or support Iran and get access through the Hormuz. I don't think Trump is going to like how the voting goes.

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Chicken65 Apr 5, 2026 +7

You live long enough to see....

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Humpaaa Apr 4, 2026 +8

Can Iraq now handle 100% of oil trade through the strait as a middleman, and sell it immediately after?

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ScumbagGina Apr 4, 2026 +12

Iran’s not dumb. The destination is one of their filters. Now India, Pakistan, or China could easily resell oil for a markup, but I don’t think any of them care about making some spare change nearly as much as they do about securing their own energy needs, and reselling might void the hall pass they enjoy.

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DARKKRAKEN Apr 4, 2026 +13

Just ban U.S and Israel ships. F*** them.

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Abi1i Apr 5, 2026 +1

As an American, yes. The only way to make the MAGA Trump voters learn is by unfortunately punishing the US for being so stupid even though every warning sign was flashing with people screaming from the rooftops about how bad a second Trump presidency would be for the US.

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dlo_2503 Apr 4, 2026 +20

Dickhead Donny threatening Iran to open strait not realising Iran has opened it for many countries already

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WeakBlueberry5071 Apr 4, 2026 +12

He's only saying this for Maga, Maga doesn't know it's open for other countries, so far I only know France and Iraq, if diddlin' don makes it sound like it's closed for everyone it takes heat from his voter base.

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tenkwords Apr 4, 2026 +3

Spain also

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MaleCowShitDetector Apr 4, 2026 -34

You're a dumbass if you think Iran opened it, they were never in control they just try to shoot a rocket or two and now they're shitting their pants.

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icryinmysleep12 Apr 4, 2026 +15

The country deciding who goes through and who can not is not in control, what would you call it then ?

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gayphilantropist Apr 4, 2026 -11

Terrorism.

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icryinmysleep12 Apr 4, 2026 +5

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A study by the Center of Economic and Policy Research has revealed that, between 1971 and 2021, ***US*** and EU ***sanctions killed 38 million people*** ***This is simply a sanction against the attackers and allies. My fuel is sky high as well 80% increase, record prices and I am quite fine with it.***

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SporksInjected Apr 5, 2026 +2

Iran is free to tax their own citizens in the same way Trump has.

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gayphilantropist Apr 4, 2026 -17

I will actually, because the distinction is pretty clear. Under UNCLOS, the straight is an international transit route. Sanctions don't include mining a passage.

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MaleCowShitDetector Apr 4, 2026 -14

Terrorism. Are Houthis in control of the strait? No. They just fire rockets or send boats. You're a dumbass if you think they are "IN CONTROL" look up what that means and stop gobbling up their propaganda. Ships dont pass through because of bureaucratic reasons (insurance policies). And guess what... traffic is close to being at 1/3rd of original capacity, because the ship companies found out they cant really do shit.

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sebastianinspace Apr 4, 2026 +6

you’re saying a lot of things, yet from where im sitting, petrol prices are still super high and ships aren’t passing through like normal. what you are saying is meaningless at the end of the day, just hot air. you’re an old man yelling at clouds

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Flat-Count9193 Apr 4, 2026 +6

Is Israel massacring hundreds of thousands of Palestinians and displacing millions terrorism?

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CaptainMarder Apr 4, 2026 +8

Is America blockading Cuba terrorism?

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emmer Apr 4, 2026 -4

Is America firing missiles at unarmed merchant ships, shooting unguided missiles into cities by the thousands hoping to kill anyone possible or kidnapping and murdering hundreds of civilians attending a concert? This whole thing where listnook desperately attempts to equate one of the most progressive countries on the planet with literally the most oppressive one is so cringe

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spf1971 Apr 4, 2026 +7

Yes to all of your questions! How many supposed drug boats did the US destroy? How many missiles did the US fire into Venezuela and Iran? How many political leaders has the US kidnapped or killed just this year?

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emmer Apr 4, 2026 -5

Is a drug running boat smuggling fentanyl the same as a cargo ship following international law? Is firing a precision missile at a military target the same thing as firing unguided rockets into population centers? Did you really think you did something here?

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spf1971 Apr 4, 2026 +4

Do you have any proof that they were drug smuggling boats? What about the school that the US missile struck killing children? Do you really think you did something here?

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SporksInjected Apr 5, 2026

The school that was 50 meters from that IRGC compound that was also destroyed?

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emmer Apr 4, 2026 -1

Iran directs its terrorist proxies to fire Iranian missiles at merchant ships, shoot thousands unguided rockets into cities and kidnap and kill hundreds of civilians. Not to mention killing literal thousands of its own people for protesting. After which, the U.S. attacks Irans military and leadership to prevent them from doing even more damage, including accidentally hitting the wrong building inside of a military compound. You’re bending over backwards so far to remove all nuance from the situation in a desperate attempt to equate the two it’s actually kind of funny

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Flat-Count9193 Apr 4, 2026 +1

Most of the world is on Iran's side though. Stay off of Fox News and watch BBC, Australia news, and other European news sources.

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emmer Apr 4, 2026

Yeah no, most of the world does not want to see the world’s largest sponsor of terrorism which directs and supplies multiple proxies which routinely target and murder civilians to obtain nuclear icbm tech. You might want to try logging off of Listnook for a few days

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aBigOLDick Apr 4, 2026 +1

Lol, you're delusional.

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emmer Apr 4, 2026 -9

Terrorism. It’s been their playbook for decades if you haven’t been paying attention

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icryinmysleep12 Apr 4, 2026 +5

After Spain said that they will not allow US to use its airports and airspace orange baboon threatened them, NATO allies threatened, Greenland threatened, US imposing sanctions on Russia, Iranian bridges civilians leader all killed during negotiations btw war crimes etc but that is not terrorism those are “sanctions” and pre-emptive strikes

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CountMordrek Apr 4, 2026 +9

Pretty sure Iran closed it. You only need to hit a rocket or two to stop the shipping through it. What they’re doing is simply showing the neighbours that, as long as the US behaves, everything will be fine. Meanwhile, they don’t play into Trump’s ego, trying to get the orange POTUS to react in a way which gives Iran all the power in the area.

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Flat-Count9193 Apr 4, 2026 +5

They are in control. Most of the world is on Iran's side. Many Americans are as well.

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SporksInjected Apr 5, 2026 +2

Interesting. Can you go into detail?

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FK11111 Apr 5, 2026 +2

If I told people in the 1980s that Iran and Iraq would be best pals in 40 years, nobody would have believed me.

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SenorTron Apr 6, 2026 +1

40 years is a long time. 40 years before the 80s was WWII and geopolitics had certainly changed a lot since then.

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CBT7commander Apr 4, 2026 +2

The more exceptions and bypasses you make, the less oil prices are pressured and the less the U.S. cares

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theotherWildtony Apr 5, 2026 +1

Critical thinking? On listnook? Straight to jail!

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CensoredbytheGOP Apr 4, 2026 +2

Remember these countries used chemical weapons on each other within the last fifty years. This is a pretty bonkers unlikely thing for Iran to do.

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SilentWay8474 Apr 4, 2026 +20

It really isn't if you know more about their history and demographics.

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ScumbagGina Apr 4, 2026 +7

Iran backs major armed groups in Iraq that have been taking it to US forces in the country, and those armed groups are affiliated with the Iraqi military and the government has authorized the armed forces to “defend” themselves against US attacks. So Iraq has declared a soft war on the US at the moment, which probably earns some goodwill with the IRGC.

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CensoredbytheGOP Apr 4, 2026

Sounds like Iraqi separatists at best have joined Iran.

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l3ahram Apr 4, 2026 +4

They didn't use chemical weapons on each other, Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran. There is a big difference

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ReserveFormal3910 Apr 4, 2026 +1

And it was the US that provided saddam with the chemical weapons.

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CensoredbytheGOP Apr 4, 2026

Fun way of saying Russians. You didn't check that before saying it, did you..

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UrineArtist Apr 5, 2026

They're both complicit. The US provided precursors and materials for the Iraq chemical weapons program and also supplied intelligence and tactical information to determine their most effective uses against Iran during the war. https://web.archive.org/web/20180531055215/https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2002/12/30/us-had-key-role-in-iraq-buildup/133cec74-3816-4652-9bd8-7d118699d6f8/?utm_term=.b2286ca448cd https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/26/exclusive-cia-files-prove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran/ Likewise, the Russians also provided key technological and material support and were more hands-on involved during the initial development of Iraq's chemical weapons program. The thing about history is, turns out everybody is a total d***.

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CensoredbytheGOP Apr 5, 2026 +1

Neither of these say the US sold Iraq chemical weapons... "Precursor" materials are a fun way to say some bulk order chemicals which can be used in households or labs. By this measure the US has sold the entire globe chemical weapon "precursors". Iraq and by extensions Saddam chose to use those chemicals for weapons if at all because he did just flat out buy chemical weapons from the Soviets ready to use. I know this because the US doesn't manufacture gas munitions for RPGs and 107 mm Russian mortars.

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UrineArtist Apr 5, 2026

That's sophistry mate, they knew fine well what the materials were being used for and they went out of their way to supply them.

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CensoredbytheGOP Apr 5, 2026 +1

Because we're well known for being omniscient and caring what dictators do to their own people. It's the 1970-80s bud.

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UrineArtist Apr 5, 2026

The sarcasm in this statement is completely misplaced, this is exactly what geopolitics entails, especially with respect to big players like the US and Russia. In this particular instance during 80s, the US was giving Iraq billions of dollars in economic assistance, sharing military intelligence and providing special ops training for Iraq military personel because it was in the US national interest.

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CensoredbytheGOP Apr 5, 2026

My assertion is the US did not sell Iraq chemical weapons. You're pointing at anything, but the munitions, to justify a belief rather than understanding that Iraq has autonomy in the 1980s free of Western instruction and intervention. They were allowed to buy chemicals in bulk just as any other nation at the time. Chemicals that are used in scores of legitimate ways. These weren't "yes I'd like to buy 10000 units of nerve gas please". This is a tanker carrying a staple chemical for an entire nations use. Nothing eyebrow raising. The only nation's chemical weapons outside of the chemical weapons manufactured by Iraq itself were Soviet fully functional and ready for use nerve munitions including mortars, rpg rounds, grenades and some missiles. We know this is the case because these are the weapons that were later rediscovered and disposed of during the Iraq War. These include the domestically developed 152 mm gas howitzer rounds discussed in this article. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html We know the Russians sold chemical weapons to Saddam. It's not a secret. Most likely he purchased the formulas as well, just as the Iranians purchased Russian nuclear specialists which are being evacuated now.

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UrineArtist Apr 5, 2026 +2

Read my original response to you, I merely point out the fact (with provided sources) that the US was complicit (alongside Russia) in Iraq's chemical weapons development by providing material and precursor for the weapons and also providing intelligence and tactical information to Iraq when they were using them in the Iran/Iraq war. Any other claim you attribute to me is your own construction.

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EmergencyWorld6057 Apr 4, 2026 +3

How would they know though. What's to stop ships from flying exempt nations flag on them until they pass and then switching back to native flag after?

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elk33dp Apr 4, 2026 +15

There's only so many oil tankers operating, it's not particularly hard to track the one's each country utilizes. The US has been able to know which are flying BS flags all the time when Russia/Iran did it in the past. You can see where a ship travelled in the past, it's public information. There's websites that track ships just like planes. Ships are easier because their huge and slow. You can also probably personally verify with the country if you want too. Again, not like there's millions of oil tankers to trace. There's like 15-20k ships globally max, and maybe 1-2k are operating in that area specifically. It's really hard to completely fake out an oil or cargo container ship. They all fly flags of convenience but everyone knows the underlying beneficiary.

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User-no-relation Apr 4, 2026 +7

Because it's not 1850 and ships are identified by more than a flag nowadays

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Buntschatten Apr 4, 2026 +1

Other countries should pull a Trump move and put tariffs on the US equivalent to the financial losses due to the Iran war. (Yes, I know tariffs don't actually work like that)

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rainman_104 Apr 5, 2026 +3

No but tolls do.

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PenroseSyracuse Apr 5, 2026 +1

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1800skylab Apr 4, 2026 +2

Awwww... Iran ❤️ Iraq

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SporksInjected Apr 5, 2026

Iraq > Iran

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PatBenatari Apr 4, 2026 +1

USA destroyed Iraq twice, and still controls their oil. They will be the next to join Iran Odds are that Kuwait will be a province soon

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LongErza Apr 4, 2026 +1

Of course. A puppet need access.

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streamofthesky Apr 4, 2026 -10

[https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/12/world/middleeast/iraq-oil-tankers-attack-iran-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/12/world/middleeast/iraq-oil-tankers-attack-iran-war.html) [https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/zefyros-tanker-hit-by-unknown-projectile-iraqi-anchorage-ship-manager-2026-03-12/](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/zefyros-tanker-hit-by-unknown-projectile-iraqi-anchorage-ship-manager-2026-03-12/) Really wish people would stop taking Iran's lies as truth. They've attacked Iraq's ports, far from the strait of Hormuz. Yet now claim Iraq is "exempt" from restrictions on the strait (which again, Iran doesn't even own).

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adhoc_pirate Apr 4, 2026 +9

At this point, I guess ownership is mostly irrelevant. It doesn't matter whether Iran owns the strait or not, they are in control of it, and if they say a ship can't pass, it's gonna have to be a brave crew who goes with the "...well aCtuAlly it doesn't belong to you guys" defence.

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bathroomheater Apr 4, 2026 +4

I do think it’s kind of funny that a something of that much strategic importance that can be held by what I assume is a handful of drone pilots with likely a very high number of weaponized c**** drones would be completely overlooked in the planning of this little curfuffle.

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dz4505 Apr 4, 2026 +2

Pretty much. Oman is supposed to have a say in this but Iran is the bigger of the two and if they say no and threaten to down any tanker trying to provoke them, probably not worth testing.

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Fast_Apple_2237 Apr 4, 2026 +1

They will attacks ships that don't pay them, so it's more extortion than control. The effect it will have is to raise oil prices globally, something that better off countries will be able to absorb better than poorer ones.

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Agile_Lie9502 Apr 4, 2026

Some of these people just want to be right so bad

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SporksInjected Apr 5, 2026 +1

There have been a whole lot of countries added to their “will not attack list”. I feel like they’re slowly cracking.

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that_star_wars_guy Apr 5, 2026 +1

>(which again, Iran doesn't even own). You should refrain from commenting on world events when you're this naive.

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SporksInjected Apr 5, 2026 +1

They’ve blown up a fair amount of shit in Iraq as well.

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wehaddababyeetsaboy Apr 4, 2026

Can someone explain to me how the US navy cant maintain control over the straight.

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DARKKRAKEN Apr 4, 2026 +8

Because escorting oil tankers in a narrow passage of water would render the U.S Navy ships a sitting duck. Plus if a U.S ship got sank the U.S administration would be done.

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Raesong Apr 4, 2026 +5

> Plus if a U.S ship got sank the U.S administration would be done. You say that like it's a bad thing.

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SteveDougson Apr 4, 2026 +6

Iran can shoot ships in the strait from its coast because its incredibly narrow

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SenorTron Apr 6, 2026 +1

This isn't Iran threatening to send ships to board tankers and take them over. That could be easily defended against. This is the threat of mines and missile attacks. How do you propose the US Navy protects ships from those things?

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wehaddababyeetsaboy Apr 6, 2026 +1

The same way the US navy protects itself from those things, minesweepers and destroyers. But i suspect that the USA has no desire to actually protect tankers in the strait.

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Iran says Iraq exempt from any Strait of Hormuz restrictions

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