Many many large commercial ships are flagged Panamanian for many reasons including tax’s, labor laws, and registration and insurance savings. Most are not actually owned by any Panama related people.
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giboauja3 days ago
+133
So they're pushing European involvement then... this war is run by idiots.
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corran4503 days ago
+91
This is often the case with war.
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boogiewithasuitcase3 days ago
+15
It’s a “concept of a war”
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T567U183 days ago
+14
Is the 4chan administration
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Sans-valeur3 days ago
+30
Well taking out all the upper leadership at the start didn’t really set the stage for a logical war.
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A_Nonny_Muse3 days ago
+20
This isn't the first time, either. The 1979 revolution ended exactly the way one would expect, given that the shah killed all leaders he deemed a threat - which was everyone of any competence.
But he never killed any religious leaders no matter how competent they were. So when the revolution came, the only competent leaders alive were all mullahs. Outcome is obvious.
The surprise is that they actually chose to share power with the secular public when they really didn't have to. That's why they have a presidency and an elected parliament.
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DFWPunk3 days ago
+8
He couldn't kill Khomeni because he was in Switzerland.
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Lazy_Membership18493 days ago
+3
I thought he was in France
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A_Nonny_Muse2 days ago
+1
That still doesn't account for the hundreds of mullas. They were not all traveling abroad their whole lives.
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ovirt0013 days ago
+5
The US took out the government leadership but somehow avoided the entire IRGC leadership. This means Iran effectively has two governments at the moment.
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JReiyz3 days ago
+12
It’s because IRGC is decentralized and a clear succession plans if anything happens. So it’s irrelevant if they took out all the IGRC command structure as they would reorganize in likely less than day with even harder hardliners. IRGC was always going to be the top dog the previous leader made sure of that.
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Lazy_Membership18493 days ago
+6
They actually did take the IRGC leadership out, only to be replaced, like Mohammad Pakpour was killed and replaced by Ahmad Vahidi
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AsinineAntimony3123 days ago
+21
The comment you’re replying to could also have actually been about the US lol. They fired many members of the joint chief of staff, many generals, and just recently asked two generals to step down and a third that was a chaplain.
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ovirt0013 days ago
+10
The Trump admin doesn't like people who oppose war crimes.
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Pixiebeams3 days ago
+113
Nothing says "successful peace mediation" like the mediator (Pakistan) clearing out a luxury hotel for talks while the participants are busy hijacking each other's cargo in the Gulf. We’ve reached the point where the diplomatic "unified proposal" Trump is waiting for is being written in rocket-propelled grenades. At this rate, the only thing "unified" about the Strait of Hormuz is that nobody is getting through it safely.
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I_Push_Buttonz3 days ago
+51
> while the participants are busy hijacking each other's cargo in the Gulf
Its moved beyond the gulf, the US Navy seized an Iranian tanker off the coast of Sri Lanka yesterday, 3000km away from Hormuz.
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fury4203 days ago
+14
I was curious if it was on the Arabian sea side but nope, tracking shows it was halfway between Sri Lanka and Malaysia.
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Magicmechanic1033 days ago
+6
Roughly the same place that Iranian frigate got popped by a submarine, isn’t it?
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Thunderclone_12 days ago
+1
At least that one was an actual military target instead of civilian shipping
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CO420Tech3 days ago
+6
Nah, that's like... Totally Iran-adjacent...
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giboauja2 days ago
+6
Dementia ridden narcissist vs radical islamist, untouchable by the Iranian political establishment, military.
Even if you make a deal with Iran, the IRGC is going to do whatever the fck they want. And frankly they kind of do want war...
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CT_Phipps-Author2 days ago
+3
Pakistan being the adults in the room for the past twenty years was not something I would have expected as a teen.
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RLewis88883 days ago
+715
Iran trying to show Trump that a cease-fire is only real if both sides agree.
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CarRamRob3 days ago
+213
Doesn’t matter. Iranian moves aren’t in the trading algorithm. Just Truth social posts
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letsgobernie3 days ago
+62
Eventually gas and resource shortage will appear in the trading algorithms
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AboveBoard3 days ago
+30
All priced in already. 😉
That's what the stock gambling subs tell me.
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Betrayus3 days ago
+32
I think the war being over is whats already priced in. The market seems to be expecting oil shortages to go back to normal very soon, which in my opinion is not realistic. They can only prop up the market for so long
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ovirt0013 days ago
+4
They keep assuming it'll be over soon when that couldn't be further from the truth. This is another forever war.
4
Extra_Box89363 days ago
+2
They have no idea what a real downturn looks like they’re all born post 08
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irespondwithmyface3 days ago
+6
The markets will just keep lying because it's fake and money is fake.
6
kingtacticool3 days ago
+6
The Economy: Vibes Edition
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TheSouthernCommunist3 days ago
+128
America and Israel both operate under the mantra of “you cease, I fire” then act like the victim of foreign aggression so that the stupidest people alive go “see! they have to defend themselves!”
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tierciel3 days ago
+32
Helps when a huge chunk of western media is spewing propaganda and ignoring some of the more war crimey actions the US and Israel take
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PacePublic41503 days ago
+4
Not really? They are just attacking every country that’s not the US. Don’t act like doing it for a decent reason.
4
heroman33 days ago
+9
Literally Trump is so goddamn stupid. I mean it makes sense he thinks his word is law and probably thinks that only he has the right to declare a ceasefire when actually you need to negotiate with Iran as well in order for the ceasefire to be real.
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natesnail3 days ago
+9
'Ceasefire' is just Trump's word for surrender
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CorwyntFarrell3 days ago
+13
Well it is a ceasefire while America takes their ships if they get close to it's blockade, so neither side really agreed to it.
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Reality-Umbulical3 days ago
+30
It's not a ceasefire if Iran is shooting at ships. Also Israel killed 3 people in Lebanon yesterday so what ceasefire
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Spudtron982 days ago
+2
Explain to me how Lebanon is part of Iran.
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Reality-Umbulical2 days ago
+1
Israel and Lebanon agreed a separate ceasefire deal. Iran however views Lebanon as part of the initial ceasefire. Regardless, Israel violated both.
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heroman33 days ago
+18
It's not a ceasefire if Iran didn't agree to it. That's how a ceasefire works it goes both ways you can't just declare a ceasefire and think everything is fine. Trump is so f****** stupid.
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Mirageswirl3 days ago
+2
It could work. The US can declare a ceasefire and remove all US forces from the region.
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Mrjlawrence3 days ago
+4
Trump doesn’t learn.
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Mewhomewhy3 days ago
+412
What exactly is the US doing in the region if it can’t even protect shipping?
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MsBlackSox3 days ago
+539
Burning through billions of dollars,.
Trump and friends are making millions through market manipulation and insider trading
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8__D3 days ago
+107
Burning billions to make millions.
That's the kind of efficiency I expected from this administration.
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Th4N43 days ago
+64
Not their billions though and they pocket the millions. This is embezzelment, and the whole world watches stunned.
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xKirstein3 days ago
+9
Keep in mind that they have multiple goals. Not only are they enriching themselves, but they're also sabotaging the United States for both foreign (Russia, China) and domestic interests (rich oligarchy).
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VonGeisler3 days ago
+10
Eh I think they are making billions not millions.
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gman20933 days ago
+8
It also helps out trumps best friend Vlad.
His competition can't ship oil.
His sanctions are lifted
US is squandering munitions and political capital at an unprecedented rate
There's no downside for trumpy, he doesn't give a shit about midterms or gas prices or insulin for dying folks.
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mrknowitall193 days ago
+8
They *arent* burning billions of their own money, they are burning the money of the american people. All the while they are making billions for themselves into their own pockets. Trump is one of the biggest scumbag piece of shits ever
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8__D3 days ago
+3
Yeah we know, I'm just being facetious
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evetSC3 days ago
+6
It is efficient because it doesn’t cost them money
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MasterpieceAlone85523 days ago
+44
Search Engine podcast recently did an episode called The Cost of War. Highly recommend it.
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snoogins3553 days ago
+22
War is a Racket is a good read as well
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket
Smedley Butler was a hell of a guy. He received two Medals of Honor!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler
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myWeedAccountMaaaaan3 days ago
+7
My wife ordered me a hardback version of this for my birthday. It’s a great read and really highlights how nothing has changed but the companies that profit.
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snoogins3553 days ago
+4
With your username, I also recommend The Emperor Wears No Clothes
https://a.co/d/09bu5Gra
We should have hemp everywhere
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myWeedAccountMaaaaan3 days ago
+1
Just ordered it. Thanks for the recommendation!
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snoogins3553 days ago
+2
It's an incredible history. The appendix has testimony to congress from Harry Anslinger, the a****** that got weed illegal
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manytakes3 days ago
+10
Conservatives: They are putting brown people in cages though, so guess it is a reasonable trade-off?
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RLewis88883 days ago
+4
MAGA cheering because other countries will need to buy more American oil. True, but only the big oil companies are getting rich. The US oil is too light to be refined here. The US needs the heavy ME oil for their refineries. So our gas prices increase while Trump and his friends make billions.
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Competitive_Touch_862 days ago
+2
It can be refined just fine. You simply will not realize a return on investment for all the infrastructure you built for heavy crude oil, as you don't need the coking units/etc. The refinery simply makes less money. Thermodynamically it will work out just fine.
You'd still get gasoline/diesel/LPG/kerosene/etc. in the end.
Folks in the energy space I've talked to a while back estimated it at a roughly 30% or so financial efficiency loss, but you'd still get the same amount of light distillates (see above) out of each barrel, less the heavier ones being missing.
Running heavy crude through a refinery built for light crude is an entirely different story of course.
What is harder is reconfiguring supply lines. If you have a facility setup to offload a tanker of heavy crude every week for refinement and now need to switch to light - you need to have a light crude shipping facility somewhere else ready and able to send you ships. Since idle capacity is exceedingly expensive, it's not like there are a bunch of US light crude oil export facilities with a ton of unused capacity laying around.
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irespondwithmyface3 days ago
+4
Iran finding out why Americans don't have healthcare, labor protections, childcare and public transit! Hoorah.
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manical13 days ago
+2
i think "millions" is underestimating by quite a lot.
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juicius3 days ago
+1
Not spending the billions on food for the sailors, it seems like.
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loquetur3 days ago
+1
The US Navy -is- the single largest consumer of oil in the entire world.
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snoogins3553 days ago
+98
Distracting from the Epstein files and the story that Trumpy got his d*** bit by a 13 year old girl https://www.politico.com/news/2026/03/05/donald-trump-epstein-files-allegations-00816123
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Blubbolo3 days ago
+20
Giving Pedo and his friends opportunities to make billions by inside trading.
20
Cranktique3 days ago
+32
It’s a narrow body of water open to attacks from land. They are sitting at a safe distance. They can’t protect the strait without taking the land that borders it.
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willstr13 days ago
+27
It was open prior to the moron's illegal war. There is a very good reason the US hadn't attacked Iran under previous presidents, even GWB wasn't that stupid
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notFREEfood3 days ago
+7
If Iraq went as well as he was hoping, I bet Iran would have been next. I remember the rhetoric against Iran amping up, but then Iraq turned into a disaster.
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Mewhomewhy3 days ago
+14
Yeah, I know the geography. But what is the US doing in the region if they can’t even protect shipping?
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radioactivebeaver3 days ago
+9
Last I heard we were imposing a blockade and not allowing shipping at all, so this seems to line up perfectly with that.
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DFWPunk3 days ago
+4
The blockade is ships leaving Iranian ports. Iran is siezing ships that left from other ports.
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Mewhomewhy3 days ago
+1
To what end? What is the objective?
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The49GiantWarriors3 days ago
+7
The US is blocking Iranian ships and ships that leave Iranian ports. The objective is to deprive Iran of a significant revenue source. This would put pressure on Iran and would be a bargaining chip in negotiations.
Is it a smart plan? Will it work? I don't know and I have no comment on it, but that's the objective.
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Mewhomewhy3 days ago
+1
But the war is won. Iran has no military. Iran has been begging for a deal for ever. Why doesn’t he just tell them what the deal is?
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radioactivebeaver3 days ago
+8
Oh no objective, whole thing has been an unplanned disaster from day 1, I'm just saying as of yesterday I'm pretty sure we were still doing the whole blockade thing.
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chalbersma3 days ago
+2
What's the last headline about Trump's Pedo Pals you've seen?
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PassSenior91973 days ago
+4
They are pretending they are protecting it to their followers who won’t question it
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Sans-valeur3 days ago
+1
If they couldn’t defeat gorilla fighters in like, *any* of the wars they’ve been in, then good luck holding that amount of land and preventing these types of attacks from continuing.
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2CHINZZZ3 days ago
+3
sounds like monkey business
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[deleted]3 days ago
+2
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NPExplorer3 days ago
+4
I don’t think that’s what the comment above is suggesting at all lmao they’re saying it’s just impossible to protect without escalating it. What a wild extrapolation you made
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Atralis3 days ago
+9
The whole point is that it isn't possible to protect shipping going through the strait without a full scale invasion of Iran.
They can ride out in a little boat that they literally carry from a shed and attack shipping.
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Total_Position_26683 days ago
+4
Trump has painted everyone into a corner.
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BarracudaCritical2273 days ago
+4
According to the Google:
As of late April 2026, the U.S. has amassed a massive naval presence in the Middle East, with 3 carrier strike groups—USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78), USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72), and USS George H.W. Bush (CVN-77)—operating in the region. These groups, along with supporting warships, bring the total count to at least 27 Navy vessels in the region.
BBC
BBC
+3
Key Naval Assets in the Middle East (As of April 2026):
3 Aircraft Carriers: USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78), USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72), and USS George H.W. Bush (CVN-77).
Carrier Strike Group Components: Typically, each carrier is accompanied by a carrier air wing (approx. 56-70+ aircraft) and multiple cruisers/destroyers.
Total Warships: At least 27 total Navy warships are operating in the region.
And both Trump and Hegseth are too chicken shit to use them to open the strait. Which is why they're calling on NATO to sacrifice their ships to Iranian mines, missiles, and drones.
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Competitive_Touch_862 days ago
+2
That is a force projection flotilla. It's not useful for opening a straight and providing convoy e******. The western Navies as a whole have been entirely reconfigured from protecting shipping towards force projection via air power since it was assumed only the latter mattered anymore and the former is really expensive to maintain.
No navy in the world can send enough ships to open something like the straight. It's not the 1980's anymore. The US cannot send 100 destroyers to anywhere in the world since it simply doesn't have the fleet numbers to do so.
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McRibs20243 days ago
+4
Helping Russia with high oil prices.
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Boiling_warm3 days ago
+5
US has already made the biggest mistake. Now they can only try and contain the damage.
If they leave now, Iran will earn billions and control the strait for the foreseeable a future
They need to do something, but... Basically can't.
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rockmasterflex3 days ago
+6
Provoking the next 9/11 for political gain
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Professional-Ad38742 days ago
+1
who is gaining politically?
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One_Study523 days ago
+2
They are doing whatever Israel wants
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Vtdscglfr13 days ago
+1
I know I'm with like minded individuals in here, but I just don't understand how we as Americans can just sit here and let our f****** money get squandered for senile old men.
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Unlikely-Emphasis-263 days ago
+1
The first part of your scentence makes sense.
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UnknownAverage3 days ago
+1
Helping Putin and Netanyahu by holding the world hostage and paralyzing the strait. Trump is a foreign agent dismantling the US. He's not interested in "protecting shipping" unless he gets paid to have the Navy do it with our tax money.
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Nuclear-Jester3 days ago
+192
Trump. "THE WAR IS OVER BECAUSE I SAID SO!"
Various nations and groups in the Middle East. "No."
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Indercarnive3 days ago
+90
Trump declared the war over while still blockading Iranian ports and seizing Iranian ships. That ain't no ceasefire.
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Living_Toe57412 days ago
+3
Iran said they will reopen the strait on what,like Friday? And the US responded by continuation of the blockade. Typical "you cease, I fire" movement.
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Nextasy3 days ago
+5
Iran was blocking passage of ships, so the two parties came to a ceasefire that would allow the passage of ships. Then, 2 days later, the US decided that Iran's ships wouldn't be allowed anymore, and so Iran said fine, back to the old situation of no ships allowed through.
It's ridiculous how predictable this is. I feel like we're in the tutorial for a geopolitics game.
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MomsAreola3 days ago
+20
Presidents words used to mean something.
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GreatGojira3 days ago
+14
Trump "I GAVE PAKISTAN EVERYTHING THEY WANTED! Why is Iran not opening the Strait? I AM ALSO GOING TO GIVE AMERICAN TAX DOLLARS TO THE UAE!"
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Dizzy_Maybe82253 days ago
+9
We all know him.. but what I don’t understand is why the market pretends
9
EquivalentAny1743 days ago
+9
I've been a bull for a long time now, but lately I'm looking at what's going on in this country and the world and I think Buffett is on to something and there will be a massive pullback. We haven't even begun to feel the downstream consequences of this war.
9
Willy_B_Hardigan3 days ago
+5
The market runs off pure hopium atp.
5
lanicorain3 days ago
+3
Always has been.
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Ok-Assistant-17613 days ago
+68
Cool, so excited to watch oil prices drop because we live in the upside down
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NCSUGrad20123 days ago
+29
WTI is only at $91 right now. A few weeks ago it was at $110. Absolutely insane
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b-napp3 days ago
+17
And SPY rips since it's already priced in. Makes perfect sense /s
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Theduckisback3 days ago
"Line go up good! Big man make big good deal for good business"
0
Agitated-Lobster-6233 days ago
+14
Most Americans are still incredibly dumb and gulible so they listen to trump as their primary news source. If he said something it must be true right?
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AboveBoard3 days ago
+4
Well Trump usually ends up on all sides of an argument the longer he goes on. I'm sure the Internet people can clip it and have some of them be right.
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SherbetFluffy18673 days ago
+43
Wait, Iran's navy? I thought Trump said Iran's navy had been destroyed.
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Sans-valeur3 days ago
+25
No he said the war was ~~over~~ ~~not a war~~ ~~over in about two weeks~~ praise Allah.
It could not be more clear keep up.
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Sniperpride3 days ago
+8
Just like the Somalian navy seized ships? Turns out you don’t need a navy. Just a few dinghy’s with weapons.
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Dancing_Decker3 days ago
+36
You seized one? Oh yeah?! Well I seized TWO!
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ranting_madman3 days ago
+15
USA seized more. And the others not being widely reported were seized far from the blockade. There have been a few near Malaysia I think.
Iran has only escalated to match American aggression so far in this war. It's reciprocal and proportional to some degree.
Also, Iran opened the strait after Lebanese ceasefire because it was in an obvious sequence which was to be followed by US removal of their blockade.
But trump obviously changed the terms mid deal and thought declaring a bunch of things quickly on twitter will force Iran to comply lol.
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TriXter693 days ago
+21
I wonder what stupid idea Trump will come up with now
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__slamallama__3 days ago
+25
Well he seized a ship, and Iran seized two.
If I know anything about Trump, he will now help solve the shipping crisis by seizing three ships.
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mrdominoe3 days ago
+14
Probably threatening global nuclear war or something.
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lordaddament3 days ago
+11
Homie blew his genocide load too early and now nobody will believe him
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mrdominoe3 days ago
+6
He has shown to be a powerless, scared little moron. The only people who take him seriously are the ones dumber than he is. We call those Republican voters.
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TRex_Chef3 days ago
+43
When trump wakes up from his meth and prune juice bender and gets hosed off for the day, hes gonna be mad about this.
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StinkMaster903 days ago
+4
> and gets hosed off for the day
luckily i had swallowed my mouthful of coffee before i read this line 🤣
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Prudent_Link60293 days ago
+7
But I was told the ceasefire has been extended
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Old_Wallaby_74613 days ago
+6
One advantage of the US having a small merchant marine is that Iran can't actually seize any US-flagged shipping. Instead they have to seize other nations' shipping and hope the US cares.
Would've probably worked better before the fracking boom
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A_Nonny_Muse3 days ago
+4
Well, since everyone is going after civilian freighters, it's a target rich environment. And pretty easy pickings too.
None of this ever happened till trump soiled himself over the epstein files.
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BlueAndYellowTowels3 days ago
+3
The President is just saying things online like he’s speaking to a Genie, hoping it comes true.
The reality is, this is far from over as much as the President wants it to be.
You can declare a ceasefire. But both sides have to agree…
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bhans7733 days ago
+2
One of them is just a bunch of logs with a Job Johnny panel for sailing.
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Dark_Mak__r3 days ago
+13
Well usa needs to know that they are not the only pirates there.
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clauderbaugh3 days ago
+25
Somalia feeling left out because boats aren’t even getting to them anymore.
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PM_ME_UR_VULVASAUR_3 days ago
+9
Look at me, look at me. I am the despot now.
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Error_404_4033 days ago
+5
It's already three ships, not two. And not seized, but "attacked", means shot at and forced to stop.
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Dizzy_Maybe82253 days ago
+2
Hmm.. TBH, we are already in deep shit , we meaning everyone. So I guess think whatever is happening is getting worse.
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cfowen3 days ago
-1
Iran is trying to lure Trump into a ground war because they know they’ll have the upper hand and, at the very least, kill thousands of US troops and obliterate the global economy.
And Trump is just stupid enough to fall for it.
-1
Lutiskilea3 days ago
+4
But they dont have a navy? I was told this. Like 1,000 times.
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IAmRobinGoodfellow2 days ago
+1
I’m just curious about the map. Why is the Persian Gulf “The Gulf” while the Gulf of Oman is named correctly? Is this a Gulf of America vs Gulf of Mexico type of politically sensitive geographical nomenclature?
1
Designer-Salary-77733 days ago
+2
But Donold and the GOP said everything was better again
2
TheGaelicPrince3 days ago
+1
If they want to find where Pres Trump is to get his reaction, they know where to find him, at the golf course.
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