Iran says new air defence system used to target US fighter jet

Is it Chinese or Russian?

I love how currently you can't trust either side on the actual state of Iran's armed forces

so now China and Russia get to test their equipment against US military

I would say the same. At one point your enemy starts to think is it true or lie.

This is very unlikely. If you have a new system, the incentive is to mask that capability as long as possible to score more hits, not broadcast that capability so your enemy can change tactics. Additionally, big missiles make big booms. When big missiles hit planes, planes don’t usually go very far. All evidence is suggesting these planes were hit and then limped quite a ways before the pilots bailed, indicating whatever hit them was on the smaller side. That’s consistent with an IR MANPAD, which can pop up anywhere.

This is lucky manpad type hits, they no longer have S300/400 type systems. They have a TON of manpads though and you get enough people or a lucky shot and ontop of that top officials saying they own the air space.... giving airmen more confidence in being able to do things that they wouldn't do if they knew there was capabilities to shoot down a plane.... this is what you get when you say you own the airspace and you don't. Of course they own the airspace in terms of the bigger systems but not on the level of manpads. We don't know how many manpad shots were taken at these aircraft (it could of been 1, or 20+ and with a fragemntation warhead, like how the f-35 got home okay, these got hit enough to take down the aircraft, and take the A10 that was downed which is meant to survive the largest beating of any aircraft, an unconfirmed assumption is it either got hit with 1 really great hit, or a few hits that took it out, while the blackhawks just got a single shot down, the f15, I wonder about). For those who think this is some special tech from russia or china are wrong, this is simply a lucky manpad from in this case a slow flying A10, or an f15 flying to low and slow.... and a lucky shot. This isn't some special or new tech being introduced, this is a manpad that got lucky, its a matter of probabilties.... take to many slow flying planes low enough, and enough people with manpads ready to step out and make a lucky shot. Get ready though, instead of strategic bombing, areas will start seeing carpet bombings on areas. If the straight isn't opened or if the airmen are taken prisoner, there won't be a simple negotiation, this administration will just bomb anything that looks like it could be an area where they think there is a store munitions (regardless of if there are or not, the official reports will be they detected munitions and destroyed the entire area), if they have people who have manpads, if they have a strategic value, there will be complete bombing campaigns on it. If you think I'm wrong do a remind me in 48 hours and lets see. Edit: for those who think that this isn't a manpad, please let me know what you think this would be, and also how both planes were taken down under 15000 feet and were doing low and slow runs. This wasn't some special equipment that no one has seen. Just take a look at Ukraine and Russia, the amount of helicopters, planes, etc taken out by stingers is enough to show that beyond larger more complex systems like patriot, IRIS, NASAMS, etc. Hell we even saw a russian helicopter get taken out by a Ukraine drone which no one would of assumed. People that think the barebones type anti-aircraft systems can't do damage, are yet to learn what clever people with a lot to lose are able to do. Edit 2: People also forget that the way Iran developed their military when "the head of the snake" is cut off, they designed their military so that divisions are given extreme amounts of autonomy and are able to make decisions within their groups. Iran made this part of their strategy early on knowing that Israel and if the US stepped in that they would target right off the bat the major comms/decision centers. They learned a ton from how the US took out Iraq (which at the time had one of the largest anti-aircraft defense layouts of any country, Syria had the same issues which led to the collapse of the major military that bunkered down in key spots but lost control of 80+% of their military abilities (given this was also almost 20 years ago, **Iran learned off of decentralized military decision making**, and made it a clear priority)).

I think the Americans just got lazy. Iran doesn't have any new tech.

You don't need fancy air defense to shoot down a f-15 e. Two were shot down in the "gulf war" 1991.

But we were told they no longer had any air defenses!

Imagine a scenario where these systems came from Russia and US intelligence were aware they were being delivered but couldn’t attack them in transit because that would’ve been a direct attack on Russian equipment. Now imagine the US allowed fighter jets to hold the air space knowing this equipment was being installed.

They probably got it from the Chinese or the Russians.

Made in China ?

Is that the air defense system that was completely destroyed, obliterated, or decimated?

They shot down one fighter that's mostly 50 years old tech. They've hit 10,000 targets with 1 actual shootdown. Tne F35 flew home.

Wow, they shot down a 4th gen airframe in service since the 80s…this wasn’t even an EX Nobody is impressed, if they get an F22 or an F35 that’s a story

It’s complete BS. You don’t need new and advanced systems to shoot down an f15e. Even if it wasn’t simply shot at with a manpad, any AA system can shoot down an f15e. It has a massive radar signature and doesn’t have the advanced EW of the f15EX. Any of the systems previously operated by Iran could have done it, and it makes more sense for one to have survived the SEAD campaign than for a new system to have been implemented

Infrared and thermal imaging. Relatively low tech, mobile and not dependent on connected networks. Doesn't matter the level of radar or signal stealth, jets can't hide their heat.

Calling bs tbh. They obviously just got lucky. But that being said, the US hubris will cost them lives if they try anything stupid like a ground invasion.

You can get hit by lots of things when you fly really low, and maybe your guard is down because "you own the airspace".

We are kind of back to anti-air artillery. there is a widely used 76mm guns on ships (US and many EU countries) that can target aircraft/drones and they have a 10km+ range. If you build something like that and add-in using high end thermal imaging with computer calculated aiming(rather than radar knowing anything with radar is going to be blown up quickly) and set time delay fuses and/or proximity fuses and you have an anti-air weapon that has no radar signature and can hit targets at a fair distance. That said Iran claimed years ago to have cloned that gun (not sure how many features they cloned). The high-tech versions has shells that can change directions extending the range that they can accurately hit anti-aircraft targets. And if you expect your opponent to immediately attempt to destroy anything emitting radar, you would be smart to rely on non-radar anti-aircraft weapons because they will survive longer.

from what i heard and it would make the most sense it was a MANPADS which isn't new and is impossible for us to destroy if they have them distributed all over the place as its simply a portable rocket launcher carried by a soldier and they use infrared not radar to track their target so pilots get little warning if they never see it fired at them.

Iran also said they dropped Israeli fighter jets. Iran is full of shit

Going with "sure thing, buddy" as far as new tech. No idea what downed the F-15 yesterday, but I'm assuming it's something they've shot hundreds of at aircraft over the past few weeks and last years 12 day war. And they finally got one with it. I'd also assume as the war progresses and they (US/Israel) have gotten lucky so far, they got looser and looser with risk taking. And just figured out that even low probability doesn't mean zero.

Its Russian. 

Thanks China

new? As in, our hased after the old one was recently destroyed?

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This is one of the air defense systems we were all told were completely obliterated, correct?

They've had Verbas on order for a while now, slated to be delivered next year. Might have been rushed, given the circumstances.

Dont believe it for a second.

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