“There are decades where nothing happens and hours where decades happen” or something to that effect.
487
GraduallyCthulhu2 days ago
+109
Moreover, Trump can’t tell the difference.
109
overlyambitiousgoat2 days ago
+46
Sure are having a lot of those hours lately.
46
Tyranis_Hex2 days ago
+40
I’m tired of living in interesting times
40
ManWhoSoldTheWorld012 days ago
+709
It's a pretty long time for Donald to remember what he previously committed to before the alter ego steps in.
709
saulsa_2 days ago
+75
He can switch it around in 12 seconds.
75
littlevai2 days ago
+103
It’s called dementia
103
skildert2 days ago
+22
He should write it down. I bet there are ample crayons in the White House.
22
WolfsBaneViking2 days ago
+11
He's not fit for crayons either.
11
kl7aw2202 days ago
+537
Upside world when I believe Iran over Trump.
537
jamieT972 days ago
+264
Considering how much trump lies and misleads yeah somehow Iran is slightly more trustworthy.
Still the bottom of the barrel don't get me wrong
264
Accidental_Ballyhoo2 days ago
+81
At this point if you don’t understand he will do the exact opposite of what he says I don’t know what to tell you.
81
ZampanoGuy2 days ago
+24
Literally this. He keeps proving this assertion. I feel like everyone else is blind and can’t see this.
24
icematt122 days ago
+12
My only argument is if it sounds bad or benefits him then he might have a record of results. See campaign comments and actual policies to do with LGBTQ and women's health/choices.
He's made comments about going after postal voting and I believe him. Even though he used it recently.
12
Bleatmop2 days ago
+7
I don't trust either of them to tell me the truth. Both sides are trying to control the narrative. That said, I hope these two sides can work it out and stop unnecessary suffering of innocent people.
7
wildfirestopper2 days ago
+16
Literally 1/4 sentences he says is a lie.
16
takeda642 days ago
+5
Iran at least puts some effort when they lie.
5
cogit22 days ago
+83
The art of the 12-hour deal.
83
guywhiteycorngoodEsq2 days ago
+36
Quick someone math it in Scaramucci units
36
cogit22 days ago
+29
A farmer is carrying 6 jars of Santorum to market. Bandits steal 3 jars, but the farmer later discovers two of the jars, one is broken, the other sealed. How much Santorum can the farmer sell at the market?
29
SomeGalNamedAshley2 days ago
+22
I'm trying to figure out how important freshness is with Santorum.
22
C0rona2 days ago
+4
You gotta let it ferment and ripen. If you open a jar and nearby birds don't fall from the sky, it's not done yet.
4
Terrible_Use78722 days ago
+8
Who the hell wants a single Santorum, let alone a whole jar.
8
cogit22 days ago
+3
Natural harvest bakers
3
biscuitarse2 days ago
+21
0.04545 Scaramuccis
21
theSchrodingerHat2 days ago
+13
That feels like it should be a natural constant.
*e*^S
IR (Iranians Killed) = *e*^S • sqrt(SA^bribes + Netanyahu^calls )
13
AppleTree982 days ago
+10
Scaramucci actually does some really good YouTube videos. He will say things like I know Trump and here is how I understand this or that. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCHTWMm44zo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCHTWMm44zo)
10
twitch_Mes2 days ago
+20
Trump has violated his marriages faster than that
20
THEPIGWHODIDIT2 days ago
+1950
I wonder if such a framework was written down on some kind of documenting implement. Maybe a piece of paper?
That would help resolve ambiguities around this situation
The world should see the paper and know who is telling the truth
1950
improvthismoment2 days ago
+1200
I think we are already in a post-truth world unfortunately
1200
KingoftheMongoose2 days ago
+321
The MisInformation Age
I call dibs on coining the term for books or whatever!
321
DE4DM4NSH4ND2 days ago
+47
Disinformation age would b e more accurate. Misinformation is information you think is right but is wrong. Disinformation is information you know is wrong but spread it like its right
47
THEPIGWHODIDIT2 days ago
+140
Book Title:
'We said, they said: Post truths and how to get your way in every situation'
140
Boniuz2 days ago
+31
Hey! You can’t just steal the title of my book like that!!!
31
THEPIGWHODIDIT2 days ago
+42
Lesson 1
It was always my book. You stole it from me.
42
KingoftheMongoose2 days ago
+19
Lesson 2. Nuh Uh!!
19
Binksyboo2 days ago
+5
Why are you both fighting about my book?
5
KingoftheMongoose2 days ago
+3
Because it’s ruining the tour!!
3
AntitheistArchangel2 days ago
+15
There’s already a book called that.
15
KingoftheMongoose2 days ago
+28
Don’t let that distract you from the fact that I don’t read!!!
28
Specific-Okra40592 days ago
+7
Just call it "The Age of Misinformation", sold.
7
DogWithaFAL2 days ago
+10
This is going to be a headfuck for the AI podcast presenters in 40 years.
10
AnteaterFormal72912 days ago
+6
What sort of king only has the one mongoose
6
schlitz912 days ago
+14
But we have Truth Social - its right there in the name
14
MooseTots2 days ago
+8
You should check out Truth Social. You can only post truths on there so nobody lies!
/s
8
emack22322 days ago
+77
There is no paper it’s all tweets
77
wggn2 days ago
+14
or even better, truth social posts
14
DefinitelyNotEmu2 days ago
+54
"ChatGPT, create a ceasefire agreement between the US and Iran"
54
Buttonskill2 days ago
+9
[I think we can expect something more like this..](https://i.imgur.com/lkCiX2w.jpeg)
Pretty sure that's an iPhone XL
9
RedWeasel20002 days ago
+15
Clearly done on a collaborative Google docs and they all kept editing it
15
THEPIGWHODIDIT2 days ago
+6
Modern solutions require modern problems
6
ahditeacha2 days ago
+47
By the time the paper is revealed, memed and doctored a million times over, gets featured on SNL and then has its own X account called WarPapi, the news cycle and everyone’s attention will have moved onto next week’s gong show episode.
47
b0sanac2 days ago
+189
According to the mediator(Pakistan) there was a clause that included immediate cease of operations in Lebanon. And them being a neutral party in this, I'm more inclined to believe them more than anything trump/netanyahu say.
189
Soft_Disaster92692 days ago
+66
Wouldn't exactly say neutral, but the closest we've got. Crazy that I believe Pakistan over the US.
Let's get a real neutral party involved.
66
greyl2 days ago
+32
It'd be hilarious to drag Switzerland into this mess
32
SaintsNoah142 days ago
+18
In the context of conflict, they're as neutral as it gets, barring their partiality to Saudi Arabia
18
wggn2 days ago
+17
well, they don't recognize Israel which is a major party in the conflict, so i wouldn't say that
17
DogeGroomer2 days ago
+11
if they recognised israel that would make them biased the other way, which way do you want to slice it
11
HarEr892 days ago
+17
And the White House and Vance say the original Iranian proposal was refused.
17
MoneyManx102 days ago
+91
The PM from Pakistan who brokered the deal tweeted out that Lebanon was included in the ceasefire. So Israel and the US have definitely violated the agreement.
91
HarEr892 days ago
+48
He may claim it in a tweet but nobody really knows what was agreed. There are completely different versions what US and Iran agreed on. Israel is saying since weeks and they even told Trump last night that they will not stop the offensive against Hezbollah and Trump agreed to that (Trump confirmed that a few hours ago).
48
Limp-Nail-12652 days ago
+41
How Israel can definitely violate the agreement if it was not part of it and didn't sign it?
41
HarEr892 days ago
+17
They can't.
17
longshot2 days ago
+3
Vibes diplomacy is real and it is here.
3
Notsohiddenfox2 days ago
+384
Am I the only one bothered by the fact we now do global politics on social media?
The servers and infrastructure are (are?) owned by private entities.
384
montarion2 days ago
+75
I hate it so so much
75
mkosmo2 days ago
+17
It’s not much different than on the airwaves, broadcast from privately held television and radio stations.
Just more modern.
17
the_walking_kiwi2 days ago
+9
Perhaps in theory but not at all in practice, the whole nature of social media posts is far removed from official TV and radio broadcasts. Not only the posts themselves but the toxic emotive, algorithm-driven and dopamine-driven environment that they are presented and read in. It is a terrible environment for reading, composing and presenting statements which have significant repercussions for the world.
9
ADunningKrugerEffect2 days ago
+8
This.
Mainstream news broadcasters are privately owned entities.
The point still stands, with the inclusion of traditional channels of information broadcasting.
8
Days_End2 days ago
+7
Now? What do you mean now? Obama popularized it. He's credited with revolutionizing social media use in politics and people widely view it as a large part of his commanding victory. He took those campaign lessons straight into the White House.
It's certainly devolved since then but this isn't "new".
7
Figshitter2 days ago
+7
How many times did Obama make statements on social media where there was ambiguity as to whether he was speaking in an official capacity? How many times were policy positions announced via social media prior to any official channels?
7
fuckyou_redditmods1 day ago
+7
If you compare Obama's use of social media with Trump's with a straight face, I can't take you seriously as a person.
7
Wanna_make_cash2 days ago
+910
> "This is a victory for the United States that President Trump and our incredible military made happen," White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt wrote on X, as well as said during a news briefing earlier on Wednesday.
> Leavitt also commented on reports that the Strait of Hormuz was closed.
> "This is a case of what they are saying publicly is different privately. We have seen an uptick of traffic in the Strait today and I will reiterate the president’s expectation and demand that the Strait of Hormuz is reopened immediately, quickly, and safely," she said. "That is his expectation that has been relayed to him privately and that that is what’s taking place and these reports publicity are false.”
This lady needs a serious dose of reality and could not be trying to slurp the presidents knob harder if they tried. Get a grip, geez.
910
IPissExcellentThrows2 days ago
+518
I think she's well aware of the reality. Her job is to spin it to gullible idiots. Considering his approval rating is around 37% instead of 1%, she's doing a pretty damn good job.
518
Soft_Disaster92692 days ago
+227
It will never drop that low. It's a cult, there's a good 15-20% that are willing to overlook every single lie he tells.
227
Mikeytruant8502 days ago
+162
This except closer to 37%
162
SomeRandomGuydotdot2 days ago
+37
Gas isn't $5 dollars a gallon nationally yet. We're not doing fuel rationing yet. Flights aren't grounded en masse yet.
I think we'll see lower approval ratings before this is all over.
37
ViolenceIsNecessary2 days ago
+19
Who gives a f*** about some approval ratings?
19
UnlikelyKaiju2 days ago
+15
Fox News and their watchers, since they're the ones who keep harping about them. Especially when it's a Democrat president.
15
Zlatan_Ibrahimovic2 days ago
+49
We're almost a year and a half into his shitshow (this particular instance of it at least). At this point if his approval rating is still 37%, then that's your number, not 15-20.
49
scuzzy9872 days ago
+16
He has a way to go before he hits rock bottom. Truman, Nixon, George W Bush, Jimmy Carter dipped into the mid 20s approval rating. Trump dipped to 34% right after Jan 6
16
Visual_Collar_88932 days ago
+27
The fact that his ratings are still above 5% tell you how delusional we as a population are.
27
Positive_Total_86512 days ago
+29
Seriously i dont understand how people dont get this. What the f*** do they think a press secretary IS!?!? They arent some rando off the street ffs. They are paid to specifically stand in front of the press, and answer questions about the white house. They arent paid to have or share a personal opinion, they have a job. There is fundamentally no point in listening to anything Leavitt says because she is solely a mouthpiece for the fascists. Ignore her ass and remove these fucks from office.
29
Chemfreak2 days ago
+8
It definitely should be lower than 37%, but at a certain point nothing will force it lower, and certainly that limit is higher than 1%; you could poll a bunch people whether they would rather have $1 or $100 and some will say $1. Whether because they are that mentally incompetent to understand $100 is better than $1, or because they just filled in the wrong bubble or misinterpreted the question ect, but I've seen some extremely clear "right answer" polls that had a surprisingly large "wrong" respondents.
All this to say 37% is crazy and not what I'm experiencing in real life (live in MAGA country here, they all still support him it seems to me).
8
gnutrino2 days ago
+3
It's called the [Lizardman constant](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Lizardman%27s_Constant) and it's about 4%.
3
LesCousinsDangereux12 days ago
+24
60% of Americans are not listening to a word of real news. certainly not press briefings.
37% is abysmal. 30 or so is probably the floor where you find completely irredeemable klan voters
24
SadZealot2 days ago
+75
She does realise that every ship in the ocean has a transponder and anyone on earth can just look at the map and see ships aren't going through it.
75
juno_phoenix2 days ago
+42
a huge number of people are happy to just believe what the admin says and feel like theyre #winning
the lies, though stupid and transparent, are effective enough
42
__Yakovlev__2 days ago
+12
The maga crowd is too stupid to think of that
12
eeyore1342 days ago
+5
The 5G might get them if they try to venture too close to the truth online.
5
Outrageous_Act_30162 days ago
+4
She knows it.
But the dude in Iowa she is selling this to war to doesn't care
4
Groovychick19782 days ago
+229
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."
George Orwell, 1984
229
Serpentongue2 days ago
+19
Anyone can literally go to marinetraffic.com and watch the ships not passing thru
19
wggn2 days ago
+5
how likely is that trumpists will go verify the truth of trump's claims on a website they don't know?
5
Araminal2 days ago
+36
They are using *1984* like an instruction manual.
36
StockholmSyndrome852 days ago
+11
Have been for years.
11
Im_ur_Uncle_2 days ago
+4
Well of course. This stuff has happened time and time again throughout history.
You think anything thats happening now is new? Propaganda has existed since humans started to form the most basic of governemnts.
4
DrSpaceman5752 days ago
+10
“The president is privately being told that the sky is green and water is dry.”
10
Subliminal872 days ago
+13
A victory for who?
Us tax payers? Wrong. What did we win? We paid for the bombs they used. Now we’ll get to pay to repair their stuff. What a waste of money. What about school lunches??
13
doctorlongghost2 days ago
+5
When it comes to captains and crews willing to risk their lives by attempting to sail across the strait, I think that only happens if the public message matches the private one.
5
Fanfics2 days ago
+370
if only there were some way to hash out agreements between countries such that there's no confusion over what the agreement is or means. Ah well. Twitter it is.
370
MiserableTennis65462 days ago
+117
Kind of difficult to do when you interrupt that process by bombing the other side twice.
117
tea_snob102 days ago
+13
Twitter is more concrete than what either party had laid out……the most optimistic of optimists, saw this shit coming from a mile, or rather, hours away.
13
The_lewolf2 days ago
+118
F****** Karoline Leavitt.
“ I will reiterate the president’s expectation and demand that the Strait of Hormuz is reopened immediately, quickly, and safely," she said. "That is his expectation that has been relayed to him privately and that that is what’s taking place and these reports publicity are false.”
Don’t believe your lying eyes. The president says the straight is open so the straight is open.
118
No-Spoilers2 days ago
+11
Some day I'll be happy when this is her Wikipedia page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Dietrich
11
CisFishstick2 days ago
+180
Uh oh, Trump is going to have to threaten to destroy the sun or something for his next TACO.
180
[deleted]2 days ago
+36
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36
fafnir012 days ago
+11
…so he is going to fix global warming next? Cool cool
11
Lumbergh72 days ago
+64
So you’re saying the stock and oil markets might swing again so that those close to trump can make inside trades? I’m so shocked
64
MemnocOTG2 days ago
+34
So back to threats of erasing a civilization in how long do you think ?
34
Mouthpiecenomnom2 days ago
+8
Friday after market close.
8
Ok_Expert_42832 days ago
+84
https://x.com/Ibrahim_alFiqar/status/2041985262193156251
Ceasefire officially gone.
US striking Iran again tonight
84
jazir552 days ago
+36
Who could have foreseen this inevitable turn of events?
36
Grand-Argument56742 days ago
+23
What’s the source? Just seems like a dude saying that on X
23
Feisty_Buddy28692 days ago
+19
> What’s the source? Just seems like a dude saying that on X
I mean...
"Some random dude said it on twitter" ***IS*** statistically more reliable than anything from this administration.
19
sky_concept2 days ago
+14
Quote the link, dont send people to twitter of all sites.
14
macross19842 days ago
+589
Iran is in no hurry to stop fight US started when it know it has upper hand in choking the strait.
589
ghoulthebraineater2 days ago
+187
They have every reason to keep this going until November. Then after the Republicans get stomped in the midterms Trump gets impeached and they don't have to deal with him.
187
hikingidaho2 days ago
+441
Dems would need 67% of the senate. I think they take both houses but not by that much. I also try not to underestimate the ability of the American left to snatch defeat from the hands of victory.
441
flynno962 days ago
+39
Even in the best case scenario they would need 16 Republicans to defect which would pretty much never happen
39
War_machine772 days ago
+12
I feel you, republicans certainly aren't going to suddenly grow a conscience, but a part of me thinks they may be a lot more willing to cut bait if they get stomped in November. It'd be purely out of self preservation, but I'm not ruling it out.
12
mybfVreddithandle2 days ago
+123
Unfortunately, I concur. Especially with your last statement.
123
hikingidaho2 days ago
+18
I hope I'm wrong. But I also hope the Republicans grow a backbone and remove him and his vp.
18
joelfarris2 days ago
+22
How would they remove the US vice president?
22
WatRedditHathWrought2 days ago
+16
Impeachment, but then we’re left with Mikey Johnson as president
Edit: Nevermind, I am an idiot.
16
PerfectAstronaut2 days ago
+26
Well, no because it would be a Democratic speaker in that scenario
26
Thugosaurus_Rex2 days ago
+13
Which is why it's a fantasy. Even presuming they'd impeach Trump or even privately support impeaching Vance subsequently, there's no world in which they'd impeach and put a Democrat in office. At best they'd confirm a VP and then impeach, but then they'd have to get the VP choice through confirmation.
13
InsanityRoach2 days ago
+14
I think it is more likely for aliens to show up and create an unified world government than for the average Rep to grow a single vertebrae, never mind a full backbone.
14
karsh362 days ago
+10
Yeah, we'd be not only counting on a fair election after Trump has already made attempts to prevent that (executive orders over mail in ballots + that leaked memo from awhile ago) AND some republicans seeing such an upset voter base they turn on Trump.
On the back half: A lot of voters are upset with Trump's war. May not have pierced MAGA, but definitely got the non-cult side of the GOP upset.
10
The_Bitter_Bear2 days ago
+7
Agreed. It's frustrating as hell, not a single Republican should have a chance this election but I'm sure they'll hold enough seats to prevent impeachment let alone a successful one.
I can't wait to see what ridiculous arguments the "both sides are bad" folks trot out this election. Also certain there will be some amount of progressives who will still say no one is left enough so why make any progress at all.
7
wggn2 days ago
+6
America has a left?
6
Jesus_on_a_biscuit2 days ago
+11
When did the Dems become a left wing party?
11
SusAdmin422 days ago
+8
The Democrats aren’t leftists, but otherwise you’re right.
Plus lots of Dems are warmongers so…
8
CrankHogger5722 days ago
+45
Lol Trump gets impeached? Never going to happen. If you still have any hope of that POS ever being held accountable for anything he's ever done, you're delusional.
The man literally started an insurrection against our country and incited a violent mob to attack Congress while it was in session, and that wasn't enough to convict him.
45
rickeyspanish2 days ago
+27
Not only that but the American people saw fit to elect him again.
27
livefreeordont2 days ago
+11
He’ll get impeached again. Convicted in the Senate and removed? It would take something crazy like breaking ties with Israel
11
GodsBicep2 days ago
+8
Trump is going to pull the "Zelenski hasn't done elections in wartime," card.
8
zachxyz2 days ago
+29
Thats not happening.
29
namastayhom332 days ago
+11
Keeping the Strait closed until November is geopolitical suicide for them because it won't just be the US and Israel intervening lol
11
666666Satanislife2 days ago
+16
Not if countries just pay the toll, then it’ll only be a problem for US-Israeli allies
16
DABOSSROSS92 days ago
+41
There is a point though, where Iran may over play its hand. If everyone is noticing that Iran will close the straight whenever it chooses that’s when a coalition forms
41
redfoobar2 days ago
+52
With the main route mined and the new route within throwing distance not sure if any coalition can realistically force an opening.
The terrain so heavily favors Iran that it will also need a full ground invasion to secure big parts of the coastline. Setting that up needs weeks if not months and I don’t see any coalition partner signing up for that. Asia is bearing the brunt of the oil blockade but I think they rather pay a toll than sticking their hand in that hornets nest, especially with a “partner” as unreliable as the US….
52
Karavusk2 days ago
+19
Even with a full ground invasion you only need one drone to blow up a ship at the right/wrong time in order to make the strait impossible to cross. It is simply undefendable against Iran. I doubt anyone will ever cross the strait without the Iranian government approving it.
19
BestFriendWatermelon2 days ago
+22
There will never be a coalition that sees Europeans fight and die for Trump and his war.
22
machopsychologist2 days ago
+19
Especially when there's a super high risk Trump just goes home and Europe is left to clean up the mess.
19
TommaClock2 days ago
+4
Name one country that would be willing to join an invasion coalition to reopen the strait of Hormuz in the next 2 years.
4
CryHavocAU2 days ago
+28
You seem to be ignoring the explosive ordinance that was being dropped on their heads on a daily basis.
If it wasn’t some sort of compelling leverage then Iran wouldn’t have agreed to any ceasefire until it got exactly what it wanted.
What we have now is the public face saving posturing (by all sides) that will occur alongside the negotiations.
Both sides are claiming victory when really they both lost. It’s just a question of who is the biggest loser when everything is said and done… actually scratch that, Trump is always the biggest loser.
28
flyingflail2 days ago
+18
Yeah, idk how anyone thinks Iran Has THAT much leverage here.
They have some with the Strait, but their infrastructure (including oil) can be bombed into oblivion and they don't want to be forever poor
18
Flouid2 days ago
+7
Yes and no. Obviously they could be seriously hurt by bombing thwir oil infra but doing so would only further constrict the supply, and they’d have no real reason to stop pressuring the strait.
That’s a piece of leverage yes, but caching it in would only f*** up the global oil market more, and make recovery that much harder. Iran stands to lose a lot, but their leverage comes from the fact they can take a significant chunk of the global economy with them
7
PrestondeTipp2 days ago
+19
They will when China, who buys most of their oil from the Gulf states, starts knocking
19
SgtKeeneye2 days ago
+33
Wouldn't surprise me if they just work out something separately for them
33
inquisitorthreefive2 days ago
+36
Aren't Chinese ships buying Iranian oil being allowed through?
36
AccomplishedAd34842 days ago
+25
Yeah China is only worried that the war escalates to targeting oil infrastructure.
25
Rapph2 days ago
+8
The US strategically could also blockade the strait and not let iran have an income from exports. It’s a stupid idea that pisses off US allies but so is everything else the US has done so far.
8
Wankstain82 days ago
+10
And what will the US do when Chinese ships attempt to pass the blockade? Sink them?
10
MistahFinch2 days ago
+9
The US can't block the strait physically,they can't get their boats that close.
If the US wants to bomb ships passing the strait from a distance they'll find themselves to be an actual pariah state rather than just headed in that direction
9
Ixziga2 days ago
+7
I think it's more that the US wiped out all their valid military targets too quickly and have no leverage left (short of threatening war crimes) to negotiate with. Like if Iran keeps the strait closed, what is the US going to do, assassinate the supreme leader? Bomb their nuclear research sites? Apply sanctions? The US already did everything short of war crimes so what's there to lose if Iran keeps the strait closed. Not like the irgc cares if the US commits war crimes, they're literally encouraging their citizens to stand next to targets. They just see it as a golden opportunity to appeal to the international court of law for reparations.
7
Man_under_Bridge4202 days ago
+19
This is just delusional.
Iran is hurting way more from all the strikes
19
HarEr892 days ago
+18
The 2-3 weeks forever war.
18
snoopingforpooping2 days ago
+11
Talks will be cancelled on Friday
11
CeleryApple2 days ago
+92
Both sides want to talk. Iran sees this as an opportunity to get sanctions lifted, Trump needs to make his deals for the midterms. The only one who does not want to see this end is Netanyahu. He needs a complete victory in order to justify starting the war. Right now Netanyahu's opposition is already grilling him on what the purpose was for this war. Trump will call Netanyahu and probably tell him that a deal is being made with or without him. It is also not in Netanyahu's interest to have Dems back in control in Washington.
92
JackC11262 days ago
+79
The midterms ship has said regardless. If the war ends tomorrow shits still gonna be expensive for at least a few months more. Trump gambled because Venezuela went off without a hitch and lost.
79
Glad-Veterinarian3652 days ago
+14
I think he thought, take Venezuela’s oil and then it will prevent the bad consequences of warring with Iran. Hasty & poorly thought out!
14
TheBurningEmu2 days ago
+5
Maybe his base will believe him if a deal is signed and Trump says the US came out on top, but I don't see how there is any way to spin any of this as a "win" for the midterms to the rest of the country without (democratic) regime change. Otherwise any deal made is more or less just a return to status queue with billions spent and hundreds or thousands of people dead, and the global economy will still be feeling the reverberations for months at least.
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-rwsr-xr-x2 days ago
+13
Trump has an over 50 year track record of *breaking every single deal he's ever made*, without exception.
In fact, he has [over 4,095 lawsuits going back decades](https://www.usatoday.com/pages/interactives/trump-lawsuits/) for many of them.
Why would this be any different?
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SelfSufficientHub2 days ago
+402
Just how f****** awful do you have to be, to make the western populace start sympathising with the f****** Iranian leadership?
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JackC11262 days ago
+239
I don’t think anyone is sympathetic to Iran’s *leadership*. It’s the Iranian people I sympathize with. They had the opportunity to get rid of the regime a few months ago and nobody came to help. Only now to be subject to bombs by the same guy who promised help. The regime can get fucked. The citizens are paying for sins they didn’t commit.
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zoobrix2 days ago
+57
> They had the opportunity to get rid of the regime a few months ago and nobody came to help.
I think it's difficult from the outside to know how close the protests came to seriously threatening the regime. Yes there was some prolonged demonstrations but the government came down on them so hard they stamped them out. Their control never really seemed all that threatened unfortunately.
And the guy in the Iranian army launching missiles at the UAE is not the same as the person arresting protestors in the street. So it's far from certain a bombing campaign would have been enough to overthrow the regime even if it happened during the protests.
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helm2 days ago
+5
From an European perspective I loathe the murderers in Teheran while extending my sympathies to everyone who has to deal with that volatile toddle backed by nukes.
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Playful_Leg71432 days ago
+59
Apparently only the Trump Administration is able to do that. Also I sympathize with the Iranian people, not the Iranian government. I do not support any government that deliberately targets its own citizens.
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NutsyFlamingo2 days ago
+28
Well as we saw in last US election, Listnook or media is not a good gauge on what actual humans in real life think. Id venture to say most people arent even paging attention to be passionate either way
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JackC11262 days ago
+37
“Listnook is not reality” is a lesson this site needs to learn but never will
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TheColourOfHeartache2 days ago
+14
Not very hard. There were people siding with Bin Laden immediately after 9/11.
There are Americans who consider the other American political party to be their enemy, and do "enemy of my enemy" on anyone who opposes it. After all, they're not in personal danger.
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haloweenek2 days ago
+68
I think all that will be bullshit.
The Hormuz will stay closed, Iran will keep tool booth system. US can’t do anything, bomb Iran - same thing happens to gulf states in 30 minutes.
Even if US and Iran come to any sort of understanding Israel will torpedo the thing…
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donniedarko55552 days ago
+50
Until Trump gets mad that he cant win so he destroys all Iranian oil, water, power supplies and Iran responds in kind for the gulf states and millions of people die.
Then everywhere else gets an extreme oil shock and Trump tries to monopolize American, Canadian, Venezuelan oil.
This guy is a nightmare
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pfire7772 days ago
+14
It sounds more like the admin is lying to the president so that he can live in his own separate reality
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Snakekekek2 days ago
+28
Iran also said no ceasefire talks were happening…. It’s all posturing to look strong. Things will progress, it’s clear that the US wants out and Irans willing to play ball.
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iumesh2 days ago
+5
Is Vance walking into a trap? 👀
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DoggedStooge2 days ago
+3
Part of me feels like Pakistan told Iran the US agreed to work from Iran's 10 points and told the US that Iran was willing to work from the US's 15 points. Which, if true, would be a pretty saavy move by Pakistan to get everyone past the doomsday deadline.
3
PolyesterPantsuit2 days ago
+4
Wars being negotiated and fought over on Twitter (X) is absolutely bonkers.
4
faffc2602 days ago
+28
there are 3 options: negotiate, try to talk them down, or put boots on the ground either to seize all of southern iran to force the straight open (and at that point, might as well commit to full regime change...would require almost the same amount of effort..), or commit 15-30+ ships to e***** ships in the area constantly against drones, all are bad options.
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RedWeasel20002 days ago
+10
Don't know if escorting ships would help much. I'm sure they could reliably get ships through but Iran only need to very occasionally manage to get through defenses to put off companies and insurance providers. Some would maybe take the risk to leave but are they gonna come back in knowing they could be stuck there for months?
Even if the ceasefire had actually held for more than 12 hours I think it would have been surprising to see traffic going back into the gulf when it could have fallen apart any time.
10
DoctorSmall19052 days ago
+54
oh you know if trump hadn't started the war there would be no need for options
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faffc2602 days ago
+34
trumps an idiot, I think we all agree.
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soulstormfire2 days ago
+21
Not just Trump. All your military who went with it, too.
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DozingUnderTheSun2 days ago
+17
Not all the military -- they keep firing generals so I'm guessing there have been waves of people who have tried to push back and then got pushed out for the next helpful idiot.
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Representative-End602 days ago
+12
Not just Trump and military, but all the morns who voted for Trump. They chose this idiot
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StickAFork2 days ago
+8
From what I'm hearing, Pakistan was working on two different ceasefire drafts: one the US side agreed to and one the IRGC side agreed to. It was never just one agreement. This resulted in an "agreement" without an actual consensus. I'm sure this will go well...
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IceMysterious30562 days ago
+3
World is allergic to ✌
It's not even half day in, sigh
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fallingdowndizzyvr2 days ago
+3
I'm surprised the ceasefire in name lasted that long.
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saucygit2 days ago
+5
Clearly they have not read Art of the Deal.
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mindovermatter4212 days ago
+10
They want Israel to stop bombing Lebanon. Seems like a reasonable add to the deal.
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fitzgoldy2 days ago
+7
Iran itself happy to bomb Gulf countries though?
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theguy13362 days ago
+7
America's word is worth less than garbage
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Fit-Significance-4362 days ago
+3
Well trump got what he needed, 1 day market bump to buy time , and spin more lies
3
Introverted-headcase2 days ago
+3
Is congress going to let the country continue to burn 🔥 WTF 🤬
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Fantastic_Piece58692 days ago
+6
congress is run by the gop - who have ZERO opinions. They think what they are told to.
Tarifs are good, now bad, now good again. War bad, war good. It literally doesn't matter. They have no beliefs or thoughts, just what fox news says. Which is to worship trump
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Venat142 days ago
+4
Yes. Republicans are openly treasonous. They want the US to collapse.
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