Iran sends defiant message, vessels trying to cross Hormuz report gunfire

That they were going to shoot at ships from an allied country that they have been allowing to transit previously during the closure? Show a me a single analyst who suggested that they would shoot at *Indian ships*

It's Modi's fault that the IRGC are a bunch of terrorists?

That’s a yes then? 

While there is slim likelihood of other nations militarily getting involved, this is still a matter of negotiation and pressure. The initial indescriminate attacks on neutral nations could be sloughed off on unclear lines of command, or fog of war. It is much harder to do so now, and if they are intentionaly attacking Indian tankers this is not the calculated moves of a country in a strong negotiating position.

**Everyone** is lieing about this war. Here it is plain and simple! How do people not get this after weeks of the same shit. Until boats are freely flowing through the straight of Hormuz for a period longer than 30 f****** minutes(DAYS! we are talking DAYS MINIMUM!), and the adversarial parties ostensibly have agreed to terms, **Do not even look at a headline that involves that status of the strait**. It is Schrodeingers strait, do not observe! \*edit for the uninitiated, we have seen conflicting messaging from both sides that the strait is opened and closed multiple times within the same day with both sides, individually closing and opening it themselves or proclaiming the other side has either closed or opened it. Versions of this has been going on for multiple weeks. We have seen Iran saying they have and have not mined the strait, saying there are mines in the strait and they know their position, saying there are mines somewhere in the strait and they dont know the position, the US saying they have swept the sealanes of mines, the US saying there are no mines at all, the Iranians saying no American ships went through the strait, the Iranians saying Americans hugged the coast of Oman away from their mines that may or may not exist. Multitude of different conditions for what Iran deems acceptable targets for shiping strikes. Reports on ships definetely running the blockade, reports of those same ships being sent back. Hell Reports of ships in the middle of a f****** desert because everyone is spoofing their INS. Listnook comment sections are not a place to learn any valuable information regarding this war, everyone is a campist idiot, if you are looking for actual good non partisan reporting on the maritime aspects of this conflict, check out Sal from the Youtube channel "Whats going on with shipping" stick with anylysis from experts rather than dumbfuck listnookors like me.

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The f*** are you talking about? He’s right. The blockade is only against ships coming from or going to Iranian ports. If Iran fucks with other ships then it’s on them.

I think their point (and you're implying it too tbf) is that even though in conflict in the past you should question both sides, the us government making a public statement would have some merit and would be more trustable at face value

A plague on both their houses. They're both corrupt and oppressive regimes that care more about themselves than the people they should be responsible for.

You can at least trust the threats have something behind them worth being cautious about. But wouldn’t trust much else. I’m not supporting Trump at all (he caused this f****** mess), but an Iran official did state the strait was open before Trump did. Clearly that person couldn’t be trusted and now here we are again.

I really wouldn't. Yes they're lying less frequently than the White House, but that overlooks the country's history. Not that long ago they were in the news for massacring protestors. We instinctively want there to be a "good" side in any war but that's not necessarily true.

Firstly thanks for a thoughtful response. Theres a lot to break down, but firstly you need to remember the "rally around the flag effect" that war, especially a war where you are the defender. Ukraine absolutely did not have a unified front at the beginning, they lost Crimea without even a fight, and was fragmented as hell with separatists and outright traitors in their government but look at them now. Secondly because Iranians are educated and not falling for the same propaganda that the Iranian regime is dishing out they will also not fall for US propaganda, its very obvious that whatever the US wants as an outcome in Iran will not be beneficial to anyone in Iran, and definitely do not care about democracy in Iran, or about the welfare of the nation. They only need to look at their neighbors Iraq or Afghanistan which are in an even more deplorable economic condition. In addition the last time Iran had a true democracy, the US were the actual ones responsible for overthrowing it ironically. So its very obvious to them the US does not care about the protesters and just wants to use it to cudgel the regime, and the protesters know this too, which is one of the resons why its been silent since the onset of the war. The iranian regime is bad in the eyes of Iranians definitely, but the US is even worse. Its the lesser of two evils. As for the last part preventing Irans regional ambitions it comes with a cost, and the question is was it worth it. Because US actions has far reaching consequences. From both ideology to economical. We all know about the rising costs this war will bring. But the second thing it has done is increase nuclear weapon ambitions amongst all countries as a security hedge. Everyone sees what US does to non nuclear armed Iran, but North Korea a bigger threat to US security is left alone.

They probably feel like they have nothing left already. To them they were attacked by their two greatest enemies, what better then to take them down as far as they can? They know Americans don’t like this war and the more harm Iran can inflict they feel it’s a victory.

two party system removes checks and balances in the usa. the republicans are all fine with what trump’s doing so he’s allowed to.

That is not a real Navy lamo