Iran shows off its control over strait after collapse of peace talks

Not even close to the same scale. Their entire economy is based around oil. We just have 1-5% higher prices on goods, while the GDP of the country is still probably going up because oil we produce here can sell for more.

Iran is only preventimg about 8 - 10% of oil supply. - Saudis are exporting 7m bpd of their oil via pipeline to Yanbu port in the Red sea. - UAE is exporting from Fujairah port on the Arabian sea - Iraq is also exporting some oil via Kirkuk-Ceyhan pipeline to Turkey Meanwhile, hit to Iranian economy which heavily relies on oil exports is massive. It was already in bad shape before the war, therefore they had massive protests.

And the blockade is preventing 100% of Iran's sales.

Over 50% of Iran's GDP is oil and gas of which over 90% ships through the strait. They instituted a blockade which hurts the globe and puts pressure on the US. The US blockaded them which hurts Iran. If Iran cannot get oil out, they will have to shut down their wells which is difficult to turn back on again and cannot be done immediately. Iran is on a more dire timer than the US is. Iran will likely begin threatening to attack desalination plants and oil infrastructure of gulf states if the US doesn't stop. Trump will likely threaten to target Iran's desalination plants and infrastructure if they do. Basically both sides refuse to step down but both sides are hurting. Trump is a Pedo POS who is hurting the US and needs to be removed. However, the Iranian regime has executed well over 1,000 protesters after the protests and further massacred thousands more during them. And Israel is led by Netanyahu who is destroying Israel to remain in power and will likely have turned most of the Arab world against them. There are no good sides here.

And yet despite the Western sanctions they continue to export oil. Almost of its oil, like 80%-90%, is exported to China. Also I haven’t even mentioned how Iran was just only allowing some boats through the strait at a $2m/tanker premium, giving them tons of regional influence - which they lose when the strait is closed. I’m not disagreeing that this war has been a disaster, but Iran almost certainly feels the effects of keeping the strait closed more.

Well I’m saying that’s why it’s misleading to say Iran controls it and simultaneously saying they can’t use it. I understand denial is a pretty low bar, which is why I don’t understand why so many people want to say “control” instead of “denial” just to… I guess highlight in rhetoric how they feel?

Well I think it’s a misleading quote because it redefines “control” from how anybody normally thinks about it. The US and Iran both “control” strait shipping because they can stop it, yet neither can use it the strait as they please, doesn’t sound like either actually has control

You should stop thinking “intelligent” people don’t support MAGA. It’s confusing to me how otherwise “intelligent people” seem to have such backwards world views. But MAGA supporters are in board rooms and running companies all over the country. They’re doctors, lawyers, and engineers. I’m not defending them or trying to make them seem like “good” people, but it’s not just abunch of dumb rednecks either.

Plenty of brainwashed people on Listnook have some things like " women and gay people are safer in Iran and have more rights than in Trump's America"... They defend Iran attacking civilian boats and laying mines in international waters. They defend Iran funding terrorists or attacking civilians in surrounding counties.

Really. Nobody.

I just think people are hypocrites and don't actually care about a lot of these things unless it hurts things they don't like. Look at slavery for example were the UN has to go out and say " this few hundred years of Western slavery was the worst thing ever". People ignore the thousands of years of slavery before USA slavery. Even more crazy people ignore the fact there are more slaves today in the world than their were when the USA abolished slavery. But because most of the slavery is happening in Africa and the Middle East people don't care. Similar to all the people that pretend to care about the Epstein stuff because they pretend to care about kids. You had Democrats and Republicans covering up Epstein and similar things for decades. I keep seeing posts defending Iran like " at least they're not in the Epstein list". And Iran you literally have 100,000 plus child marriages a year. In a lot of countries in Africa in the Middle East that number is much higher. I just think it's sad that people don't care about the Millions of children around the world each year that are forced into marriages with adults or sold into slavery. Similar how people pretend to care about Gaza because of how horrible it is... Why don't they care about Sudan or other genocides going on around the world that are killing a lot more people than gaza? It's because people don't actually care. They want to be trendy. Just like people pretended to care about China having a million Muslims in concentration / reeducation camps and they pretended to care about what China was doing to Hong Kong... within a few years those people got bored and now just don't care and ignore it. When Epstein and Maxwell was arrested you could probably trust the Epstein files if they actually started to go after the co-conspirators immediately. However you had years with Democrats in charge and now years with Republicans in charge and mix in some hacks in between so who knows what has been removed, added or changed.

Do you think the world would be safe if Iran had nuclear weapons?

So nobody supports iran? The terrorists across the world that are killing people in the name of Iran aren't supporting them? The protests around the world that are pro Iran and who support the religious dictator didn't support iran? The people that are praising the irgc don't support iran? And Iran did try to solve its own problems but then the government shut off the internet and killed 30,000 protesters.

Agreed. But as the president, his words have to have meaning. A sixth grader can tell Trump is lying and that the war hasn't been won. That's precisely because Iran does infact still have cards, as Trump would put it.

There are hawks on both sides of the parties. It’s untenable for Iran to maintain control of the strait of Hormuz to choke out global trade and effectively charge tolls. America still has a ton of escalatory options as well as the rest of the gulf states. IMO at its current stage, it either ends in massive civilian infrastructure being bombarded and boots on the ground.  Not like Trump pays attention to Congress anyways….

Yeah I agree it's probably the cost of everything related to oil production going up that actually does it...  gas, energy (LG), groceries, electronics (He shortages anyone), deliveries charges, flight costs. As it continues to errode spending power beyond just gas I guess we can all see what happens. This sure as shit isn't reducing costs for all of us or lowering prices or releasing the Epstein files.  Seems like alot of promises going unfulfilled. It's also entirely possible showing the Catholic voting block what you think of the Pope wasn't a genius move.

That’s not how a global economy works. Why did the oil price doubled at the pump during the worst part of the war when nothing changed - we produce more than we consume. We also use byproducts of oil like fertilizer, which will affect food price. The process of oil makes so much things we use in our daily life.

Calling the democratic party left at the minute is a bit Rich, and they're probably going to pivot even further away from progressives for the midterms. To what end I'm not sure, but they're nothing if not predictable

The current war is already a regional conflict, it just hasn't further escalated to boots on the ground. Because the US and Allies know it would be suicide on all fronts. The only way to remove all these proxies and Iran is to take control of their territory and flush them out. Good luck trying to convince anyone sane to get stuck fighting in Iran, Lebanon, Iraq and Yemen. Iran has the advantage because they have more tools to inflict pain on the US and Allies while their nation has a higher tolerance to withstand. (partially because how badly we ruined their country already and because the regime doesn't care about its citizens) Regardless if we produce the most oil, shipping routes being closed still hurts everybody. Iran blowing up the Gulf still hurts everybody. Except two countries who benefit from the US getting stuck in a long term war which is hurting the nation.

No. The IRGC does not care about any of that. If the US escalates, then Iran will blow up UAE, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, etc oil/lng infrastructure and close the strait of bab al mandeb.

unfortunately, america is the world empire and it will suffer greatly if the world economy takes a tumble. Iran is insulated from that, having been under sanctions for a while.

That is how terrorist states "win". They make everyone hurt. Then eventually the US will pay off enough leaders to do their terrorism elsewhere, or the gulf states will pay off enough to POTUS to give up. By no metric can you say the US is winning in that scenario.