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Royal-Hunter3892 Apr 11, 2026 +99

There was a reuter report earlier today which claimed US has agreed to release their frozen asset in accounts in Qatar . I think we'll never know as both sides will keep pushing their own versions .

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SuspiciousBuilder379 Apr 11, 2026 +45

Pretty bad when I believe Iran more than our own government. Our government has shown that they’ll lie and contradict each other every day.

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fec2245 Apr 11, 2026 +61

I understand not believing Trump but the enemy of your enemy isn't your friend, Trump lying constantly doesn't mean Iran is reliable.

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ARazorbacks Apr 11, 2026 +13

Dude, Trump and his entire admin has shown they turn to bold faced lies as a first resort on *everything*. They lie when you can look outside and see they’re lying. They lie in the morning and change the lie by the afternoon. There is literally *no reason* to give them the benefit of the doubt on *anything* let alone something with as high of stakes as a completely bungled war with Iran. Saying you believe Iran over the Trump admin isn’t a statement to how believable “the enemy” is. It’s a statement on how *unbelievable* the Trump admin is.

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fec2245 Apr 11, 2026 +11

>*no reason* to give them the benefit of the doubt No one said to give America the benefit of the doubt, the point is that there's no basis to give Iran the benefit of the doubt and yet you and listnook generally do it constantly.

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ARazorbacks Apr 11, 2026 -4

The devil we know never tells the truth. The devil we don’t know may or may not be telling the truth. I guess I don’t understand why that position is so hard to understand.

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fec2245 Apr 11, 2026 +17

There's plenty of data to judge Iranian media on, you're just covering up your eyes since it doesn't fit your narrative.

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Impossible-Fig-8463 Apr 11, 2026 -4

Mate at this point a Somali pirate is more reliable and truthful than this admin

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PleaseGreaseTheL Apr 11, 2026 +8

People here really showcasing how badly most humans process logic. Saying "do not trust X" **is qualitatively not the same** as saying "trust Y." Distrusting the USA does not, in any context or way, imply you should trust Iran - or anyone else. It just means the USA is untrustworthy. Not that anyone else is trustworthy.

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Impossible-Fig-8463 Apr 11, 2026 -2

Ok I’ll bite. It’s possible to rank things based on reliability/trustworthyness, all I’m saying is that a pirate ranks higher than the admin you’re completely right in the point you make

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crazedizzled Apr 11, 2026 -1

There's a stark increase in terrorist supporters just to spite the US. kind of crazy

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Narrow-Chef-4341 Apr 11, 2026 -3

I think the rule of thumb is to disbelieve Iran until a MAGA voice contradicts them, then believe Iran. It’s pretty much the most pathetic instance of the Monty hall problem. https://betterexplained.com/articles/understanding-the-monty-hall-problem/

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fec2245 Apr 11, 2026 +3

So when Iranian media claimed they sunk the USS Abraham Lincoln you disbelieve it but then when the US said that it wasn't sunk you took the Iranian claim as true?

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Narrow-Chef-4341 Apr 11, 2026

For every story about the Lincoln sinking, there’s more lies from the ‘we can end this war if they reopen the strait tha they only closed because we attacked - a straight we could open if we wanted to but choose not to because we have no help from the allies who who didn’t plan this with but now want them to sacrifice soldiers… and we don’t care they don’t want to reopen the strait but we are taking names, and we will remember! We need to write this down though because we are busy holding political rallies in Hungary to prove we hate foreign election interference.’ So yeah, the whole point of gambling is you win more than you lose. Sometimes there is actual verifiable proof one way or the other, and that’s not a case where trust is relevant. But when it’s trust based? Even courts have started saying they no longer give the DoJ any presumption of honesty… why shouldn’t news consumers follow that lead?

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fec2245 Apr 11, 2026 +1

Your conflating falsifiable claims with rhetoric. And beyond that I'm not saying to blindly trust the US, you shouldn't blindly trust any party to a conflict. Listnook, generally, is extremely credulous when it comes to Iranian sources despite lying constantly. Trump being a PoS doesn't mean you should be a gullible rube when it comes to Iran.

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Narrow-Chef-4341 Apr 11, 2026 -1

You were the one who pulled out the Lincoln claim (verifiable) on a thread about unfreezing assets (unverifiable). So how heavy are those gaslights?

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WarLord3945 Apr 11, 2026 -1

No, because I know that unless Iran was getting Russian or Chinese missiles they wouldn't really be able to sink the USS Abraham Lincoln, but I can't trust the US Government to report on losses and incidents correctly either. You are telling me that a fire in a laundry room, on the USS Gerald R. Ford, caused a two day delay in flight operations. That doesn't sound like a simple laundry room fire, that sounds like a hanger fire or worse.

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fec2245 Apr 11, 2026 +1

Shipboard fires can quickly spread and get out of control. Laundries aren't an uncommon source of fires. You could say they're lying but the lie isn't unreasonable. If it was arson I'm sure it'd come out, the lack of exterior damage makes it pretty obvious it wasn't Iran.

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WarLord3945 Apr 11, 2026

I am not saying it is Iran, but in that case you are telling me that damage control and damage control equipment has degraded so badly that a simple fire in a laundry room delays flight operations for 48 full hours, and apparently burns for 30 plus hours. That is pretty concerning to me. If a laundry room fire can do that, I would hate to see the results of a hypersonic missile or suicide drone.

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belkarbitterleaf Apr 11, 2026 -10

One always lies, consistently does things to introduce chaos into the world, and actively does things to make life worse for average Americans. The other is Iran.

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fec2245 Apr 11, 2026 +21

Yeah, Iran famously avoids chaos.

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Dudedude88 Apr 11, 2026 -8

They are pragmatic about their chaos. Also people are just being satirical. It's sad that it is true Trump recently went on a tangent in one of his speeches talking about how he blames NATO for not giving him greenland.

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fec2245 Apr 11, 2026 +8

>They are pragmatic about their chaos Certainly the perspective of someone who's been following Mideast affairs for less than a month. And even in that window, how was pushing Hezbollah to retaliate pragmatic? There was absolutely nothing strategic gained, major downsides without any benefit.

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EquivalentOne241 Apr 11, 2026 +5

So you think Iran and its proxies Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis and Iraqi Shia militias are noble and peace loving groups spreading love and prosperity? Iran alone is responsible for all the chaos in the middle-east.

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fec2245 Apr 11, 2026 +7

These people, like much of Listnook fell down the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" rabbit hole. They rightfully hate Trump but somehow concluded the logical response is becoming IRGC apologists.

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belkarbitterleaf Apr 11, 2026 -4

That's quite a leap. All I'm saying is that Trump can't be trusted at all, and I fully expect him to lie and break deals on the world stage. So when he is accused of doing so, it's more likely true than false.

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fec2245 Apr 11, 2026 +7

It's not a leap, you're saying if Iran makes an outrageous claim and the US denies it you believe it because Trump is a PoS. It's an incredibly childish way to parse news.

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belkarbitterleaf Apr 11, 2026

Trump is a piece of shit, he makes empty promises, constantly lies, and breaks deals. That's his character. He was accused of doing something that fits his character.

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fec2245 Apr 11, 2026 +2

You're a child

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fec2245 Apr 11, 2026 +3

These people, like much of Listnook fell down the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" rabbit hole. They rightfully hate Trump but somehow concluded the logical response is becoming IRGC apologists.

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belkarbitterleaf Apr 11, 2026 +1

Nope, but I don't trust my own government at all right now. So in a "he said she said" situation, I have countless examples of reasons not to trust Trump and his government, so 🤷‍♂️

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mooes Apr 11, 2026 +1

Is this satire? This isn't team sports. Trump being bad and a moron doesn't mean Iran is good.

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belkarbitterleaf Apr 11, 2026 +1

I never said Iran was good. I don't trust the Whitehouse to tell the truth, and it's kinda a toss up on who is giving the *more* honest account on this specific detail.

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WarLord3945 Apr 11, 2026

No one is saying that Iran is being completely truthful, but as an American, right now it is easier for ME, as a US citizen and taxpayer to believe the Iranian government in the information they are putting out. Simply because of the sole fact that the Trump Administration can't even give me a straight answer on something as simple as "Why are we attacking Iran?". That is why I am skeptical but more inclined to trust Iran over Washington D.C. right now.

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fec2245 Apr 11, 2026 -1

That's really dumb logic.

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WarLord3945 Apr 11, 2026

How so? The US Government has been saying for weeks that it didn't need help to reopen the Hormuz Straight, then went on to attack European Allies and NATO for not doing anything to assist with opening the straight. Show me one example of a combat search and rescue mission from the Vietnam war through the end of combat in Afghanistan, where MC-130J's (or their equivalent) were needed to land inside hostile territory to extract a pilot. 99.99% of CSAR has been done with Close Air Support and Helicopters. Why would a CSAR that could be executed by a single Black Hawk helicopter, need 4 MH-6, as well as Multiple C-130's in support, when we had total air superiority and could have just used Close Air Support to provide ground cover.

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fec2245 Apr 11, 2026

>The US Government has been saying for weeks that it didn't need help to reopen the Hormuz Straight, then went on to attack European Allies and NATO for not doing anything to assist with opening the straight. This isn't hard to understand and the fact that you think it adds to your argument isn't a good sign.

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WarLord3945 Apr 11, 2026

You are right it is not hard to understand, the Straight was open and free to navigate through until Trump and Israel attacked. Trump and Israel didn't communicate with European leaders, so why should Europe support a surprise attack on a nation that has not attacked them? I am done responding to you after this, because it is clear that facts are not important to you. You can't even answer a simple question, why did we attack Iran. Was it a regime change, imminent threat to Israel, their nuclear program was completely wiped out back in Operation Midnight Hammer, so it can't be to stop them from getting nuclear weapons, you can't rebuild that in less than a year.

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fec2245 Apr 11, 2026 +1

>You can't even answer a simple question, why did we attack Iran Why are you asking me? I didn't start the war, I don't support it. I just find it bizarre how many people blindly parrot Iranian propaganda.

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Objective-Clue5087 Apr 11, 2026 -1

We know Trump, and know he lies constantly and can’t be trusted to tell the truth. I don’t think that means anyone is giving the Iranians any consideration.

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fec2245 Apr 11, 2026

Must not spend much time here

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SneakyFire23 Apr 11, 2026 +21

As opposed to the always truthful Iranian one?

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stoicordeadinside Apr 12, 2026 +1

Shush. Every other government is better than the US government when my political party isnt in power. /s

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Flatus_Diabolic Apr 11, 2026

Neither side is remotely truthful, but at least Iran’s messaging is non-contradictory and stays on-brand with its ugly repressive evil. The utter chaos of this current US administration (we’re going to exterminate a 7 thousand year old culture so that it can be free but it’s really about oil that we don’t need or want and Europe should just take it but we really want peace but we’re looking forward to our next conquest but we’re isolationists who want to interfere in foreign elections that we don’t care about because hurr durr I have dementia) is ridiculous.

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SneakyFire23 Apr 11, 2026 +5

Consistently lying isn't productive, nor is it something to hold up as an example of why you should trust the regime.

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Flatus_Diabolic Apr 11, 2026 +2

I explicitly said neither regime was remotely truthful. Do I really need to explain that that means I don’t trust what they say, or can you reason that one out for yourself?

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PresidentKraznov Apr 11, 2026 +5

It really is. If you assume basically anything they say is a lie, your odds of being right are higher than if you don't.

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Ultra_Metal Apr 11, 2026 +7

Reuters lied. They were simply quoting some mysterious source from Iran that is not credible.

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Dudedude88 Apr 11, 2026 +4

Irans releasing some of those news on twitter.

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Topsyye Apr 11, 2026 +6

Watch this post get less than half the engagement the Reuters article from an Iran source gets.

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Ultra_Metal Apr 11, 2026 +10

Yep, and this is why: [The Terrorist Propaganda to Listnook Pipeline](https://www.piratewires.com/p/the-terrorist-propaganda-to-listnook-pipeline)

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Denotsyek Apr 11, 2026 +2

Speaking of propaganda...

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ForceCarrierBob Apr 11, 2026 +1

There are those trying to poison the negotiations. They want the war. These kinds of leaks are how they do it.

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heloguy1234 Apr 11, 2026 +149

That’s how you know they did.

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altonbrushgatherer Apr 11, 2026 +37

ya, because the iranians said it was a precondition for them to even show up.

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SunKing124266 Apr 11, 2026 +38

They also said full ceasefire in Lebanon was a precondition

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altonbrushgatherer Apr 11, 2026

There was some bullshit from Bibi and maybe a short period where there was a cease fire? But you are correct. Bombing is ongoing.

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Pale-Factor-8574 Apr 11, 2026 +17

They tried to bribe Iran to open Hormuz. Trouble is, Iran's getting more assistance from Russia and China than opening the strait would provide if sanctions were eased. They can't even bribe their way out of this war. It is a thing of wonder to see Trump getting handed his own ass to this extent. Extortion failed, bombing failed, bribery failed, so he set Vance up to take the fall when the next round of talks inevitably crash and burn.

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GhostofBreadDragons Apr 11, 2026 +12

Maybe they think Vance can cause the death of another religious leader. Kill one pope and no one lets you forget about.

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crazedizzled Apr 11, 2026 +1

Lmao, that's diabolical

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tricksterloki Apr 11, 2026 +7

What does it say about the state of my country that I know the truth by the opposite of what they officially release?

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Fun_Success_3283 Apr 11, 2026 +4

It says your country is just like Russia now.

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heloguy1234 Apr 11, 2026 +1

It’s made it a little easier to know the truth, tbh.

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donkeykong64123 Apr 11, 2026 +9

Misinformation war ladies and gentlemen. The only way to truly know the truth is after it's been documented, announced and implemented

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Latrodectus702 Apr 11, 2026 +11

Both the regime and the Trump admin are allergic to the truth. Nothing should be trusted from either side until an agreement is actually signed and released.

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Possible_Pop_8033 Apr 11, 2026 +13

He said/She said for wvery report that comes out. Gotta figure the USA is just operating in bad faith here and stalling until they are re-armed and re-organized. They cant afford to accept what Iran is trying to obtain, because there would be no way to spin it as a win.

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Yuukiko_ Apr 11, 2026 +8

They've already lost when they said their goal was to reopen the strait lol

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GaulzeGaul Apr 11, 2026

They lost as soon as they started because it was clear Iram would close the Strait in response lol

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FamousLoser Apr 11, 2026 +5

Oh my god. This is exhausting.

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Repulsive_Layer1597 Apr 11, 2026 +2

They’re like high school kids that care way too much about what people think. They’re only concerned with how they’re perceived. So they just go back and forth on everything depending on how they believe the perception will be in that moment.

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SingleWhiteFemboy Apr 11, 2026 +2

like 10 comments in here saying the exact same thing. odd.

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AccordingInsect3481 Apr 12, 2026 +2

Why is it odd? Do you trust President Pedofiles?

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gratefuloutlook Apr 11, 2026 +3

The US is full of poop as per usual 💩 💩 💩 💩

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warzonexx Apr 11, 2026 +3

I don't believe a word that the USA says any more. Lost all credibility

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frustrated_futurist Apr 11, 2026 +1

The ol' "Nuh-uh!" Negotiating tactic. Man it must be wildly infuriating to have to deal with those chuds.

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Ultra_Metal Apr 11, 2026 +3

The Islamic Republic lied again and so did the media that spread their lie around the world.

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thatfilipinoguy Apr 11, 2026 +1

we might end up with a deal being signed without actually knowing what was signed because both US and Iran will push their own version of what was signed and they probably have no plans of letting us know what actually happened and whats important to them might be to actually get out of this mess

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yeahnoyeahsure Apr 11, 2026 +1

This is like watching the most toxic execs in your office try and sabotage each other

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Material_Policy6327 Apr 11, 2026 +1

So they did cause this admin basically says one thing and does the opposite

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Objective-Clue5087 Apr 11, 2026 +1

We will NEVER get the truth out of this Administration. Trump will go as far as paying the Iranians whatever they want to make him look like he got the upper hand. You can’t trust anything you see or hear from them.

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tosser1579 Apr 13, 2026 +1

They are playing Trump's game of openly lying and challenging the other guy to correct them.

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trebuchetwarmachine Apr 11, 2026 +2

The US wants out of this conflict soooo bad but they have an inability to admit theyre wrong dt them all being narcissistic psychopaths so now were at a stand still

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Thurak0 Apr 11, 2026

The increase in Iranian militia activity in half a year due to this Iranian win will be significant. Insane strategic failure of Israel and the USA. Or maybe not, some people want constant war.

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Hopeful-Explorer-443 Apr 11, 2026 -3

yup. Very few people are talking about what this war can mean for regional terrorist/ millitant groups being re propped by Iran. Gonna be a huge headache for the region.

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steve_ample Apr 11, 2026 +2

WH needs to see the term "after ritualistic, groveling begging by the imams" as a qualifier in the quote before they acknowledge anything.

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ScrotumScrapings Apr 11, 2026 -1

lol, the yanks are such a mess. They can't agree on anything because when they do it still has to run by the "great leader" and there's like a 70/30 chance of him randomly smashing any agreement to bits based on his whims and brainfarts.

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Enough-Ocelot-1887 Apr 11, 2026 -2

We should have taken All of it and paid down the Debt. And maybe send me a few bucks for thinking of it.

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