It’s open it’s closed it’s open it’s closed. Snip snap snip snap. You have no idea how high the Iranian toll is to travel this strait.
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MajMajor2x1 day ago
+201
Michael Scott’s plan would’ve taken 45 days, 45 points, 1 point per day = strait reopening
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Usual-Asparagus-12991 day ago
+31
“The toll road of denial is a long and treacherous one. The cost? Your soul.”
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Durian8811 day ago
+7
It can't be open after the United States pressed ahead with its blockade choking off Iranian ports.
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AsuraValken1 day ago
+877
History is gonna have a wierd time explaining this
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2HDFloppyDisk1 day ago
+784
It’s open. It’s closed. It’s open. They have no navy. They have some navy. Their ships are obliterated. There’s a ceasefire. The deal is close. They better stop or else. The deal is done. Deal revoked. 10 billion. 16 billion. 26 billion. Straight of Trump.
Exhausting to think how this war will be taught in school.
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Typical-Algae92651 day ago
+254
You'd probably have to include all the oil trades happening between each of these announcements in order for it to make sense.
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WreckNTexan481 day ago
+99
It's Friday it's Tuesday
Trademaxxing
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Iron-Fist1 day ago
+22
They'll skip over all the middle chaos and uncertainty and just assume that the final outcomes were intended or inevitable.
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strvd1 day ago
+51
History books: After mishearing "Strait of Hormuz" as "Straight up Vermouth", Pete Hegseth reportedly said, "Now that sounds like a good idea!"
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Ongargis1 day ago
+14
They'll have a week on The Turbulent Twenties.
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pchlster1 day ago
+9
The run-up to WW3, sponsored by the United States of America.
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Syssareth1 day ago
+21
> Exhausting to think how this war will be taught in school.
"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the best of times, it was the worst of..."
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Best_VDV_Diver1 day ago
+61
These gunboats are small craft armed with machine guns. You'd have to destroy every water worthy boat in Iran to make sure they couldn't float one of these out there.
Their larger vessels, what most people associate with as a "proper" navy, are what were sunk.
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Friendly-Profit-85901 day ago
+60
I agree with you completely but when a navy is declared destroyed it implies their ability to affect events on water has ceased.
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torlesse1 day ago
+20
>These gunboats are small craft armed with machine guns.
Then the mighty US Navy destroyers should have no problem parking themselves in between these little gun boats and shipping lanes to ensure it stays open.
I mean, its not like USS Cole where it was docked for fuel, they surely can sink anything that comes anywhere remotely close to them.
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Best_VDV_Diver1 day ago
+48
Yeah, they can. They just have to be near where they launch or able to track them after they're puttering around the Strait.
You can float them from just about anywhere, no special dock needed, and you only have so many ships to cover a lot of area to look for launches. Loitering drones help as well, but it's easy to still slip some into the Strait. Then all they have to do is harass a tanker or two to cause shipping to grind to a halt again.
Little ass boats like this were a huge concern involving securing the Strait when people talked about dealing with Iran for decades. Good to see this administration ignored it like everything else. Great job.
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SufficientGreek1 day ago
+22
>Then the mighty US Navy destroyers should have no problem parking themselves in between these little gun boats and shipping lanes to ensure it stays open.
And place themselves in range of artillery and rockets fired from the mainland or various islands. If they only had to contend with the Iranian navy the strait would already be open.
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torlesse1 day ago
+18
What artillery and rockets?
I was told
>[decisive military victory we just achieved in Operation Epic Fury, no other President has shown the courage and resolve of this Commander-in-Chief. President Trump forged this moment. Iran begged for this ceasefire — and we all know it.](https://www.whitehouse.gov/releases/2026/04/peace-through-strength-operation-epic-fury-crushes-iranian-threat-as-ceasefire-takes-hold/)
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bl4ckhunter1 day ago
+10
You really think this will get taught in school? They'll just gloss over it just like they do with the US support of right wing terrorists in europe and bloodthirsty fascist dictators in south america during the cold war.
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starrpamph1 day ago
+4
That’s just the art of the deal
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Br0boc0p1 day ago
+10
Not to mention any teacher trying to teach this will inevitably end up with some kid like "my grandpa says you're a fake news laybrulizer with your Bayrock HEEEEEWSAIN Obaymer." I've seen it first hand from what my step-dad did to my adopted little brother.
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LevelHorn27171 day ago
+5
What school?
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_wawrzon_1 day ago
+3
The art of the DEAL. (TM)
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Temporary-Outside-131 day ago
+2
Stock go up stock go down as well.
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DogVacuum1 day ago
+4
Some are saying it’s the most open straight of all time.
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Drekkful1 day ago
+1
I wasn't taught *any* cold war history in K-12 public schools. We literally wrapped up WW2 and that was the last time we were the "good guys" lmao
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Zealousideal_Meat2971 day ago
-7
The Iranian Guard then engaged in "The Art of the Deal" and repeatedly spoofed peace talks as well as their validity; subsequently having talks and than breaking the ceasefire to further deligitimize the administration in the eyes of its nation.
Suddenly no one cared what was happening.
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DonorBody1 day ago
+229
It’s only muddied because the media is taking what the Trump regime says as fact and reporting it without corroborating any of it. Iran hasn’t agreed to anything that Trump says. The two sides aren’t close to a “deal” because Iran knows Trump’s word isn’t worth piss and his remarks are just market manipulation to cover for an unwinnable war he started.
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HashMapsData2Value1 day ago
+41
Also, the USS George Bush is still making its way to the Middle East, at a cost of \~$240 million per month.
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crow_crone1 day ago
+18
...that isn't being spent to provide the "warfighters" with food, apparently.
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7ddlysuns1 day ago
+14
Trump’s masters also haven’t agreed. Bibi goes to prison if he stops bombing
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AnonymousEngineer_1 day ago
-51
Iran declared the Strait was open as well, then fired upon the ships when they tried to pass.
Iran lying through their teeth to look good for the propaganda on social media, and then backtracking when ships tried to escape their blockade, isn't on the US.
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wahoozerman1 day ago
+46
Iran declared the strait open while the Israel Lebanon ceasefire was active. Israel shelled Lebanon. So the strait was closed again. This one is mostly on Israel, which was probably the whole point of Iran opening the strait in the first place. They knew Israel wouldn't uphold the ceasefire. They knew opening the strait would pressure the US to pressure Israel to uphold the ceasefire. They knew when Israel didn't it would put egg on the US' face because their supposed partner doesn't respect, listen to, or care about them.
It has been darkly funny to watch soft power wielded so well against an administration who has made it their mission to absolutely destroy all the soft power the US has accumulated.
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AnonymousEngineer_1 day ago
-51
> Iran declared the strait open while the Israel Lebanon ceasefire was active. Israel shelled Lebanon. So the strait was closed again.
That's not what happened.
Iran declared it open, then demanded that the US lift its blockade. Then when the US didn't lift it, Iran opened fire on the ships that were leaving.
The thing is that Iran were never going to let the ships leave to begin with. They just wanted their own ones that are being detained in the Gulf of Oman to be freed. Had the US let them pass, Iran would have almost certainly closed the Strait again anyway before any ships could pass, while also having freed their own ships.
> their mission to absolutely destroy all the soft power the US has accumulated.
I have no love for the current US Government, but let's be honest here. A lot of that vaunted "soft power" involved the US giving huge amounts of assistance to many nations whose people made a point of hating them at every opportunity in any case.
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7ddlysuns1 day ago
+19
Okay but Trump said it was open
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trollsong1 day ago
+23
>The thing is that Iran were never going to let the ships leave to begin with. They just wanted their own ones that are being detained in the Gulf of Oman to be freed. Had the US let them pass, Iran would have almost certainly closed the Strait again anyway before any ships could pass, while also having freed their own ships.
Speculation.
You're own post shows it was America not stopping the blockade
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AnonymousEngineer_1 day ago
-24
The order of events shows that the US imposed the blockade in response to Iran imposing a blockade first.
The onus is on Iran to lift its blockade first, *and actually let ships pass* before the US responds.
The US lifting its blockade before a single ship has passed the Strait of Hormuz would be stupid, because at that point the counter leverage has been removed without anything being given at all. And as has been shown, Iran hasn't allowed even one ship to pass through its blockade before reimposing it.
Iran declaring the Strait open and then demanding a positive response before even one ship has passed doesn't mean the Strait was ever open.
That's like saying a hostage taker has released the hostages while they still have them at gunpoint.
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trollsong1 day ago
+15
>The onus is on Iran to lift its blockade first, *and actually let ships pass* before the US responds.
Its not though.
If the agreement is both blockades end then both blockages end. Thats it.
The second it let even one boat through that shows their blockade ended so if the us didnt then well that means both arent ended so none are ended
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AnonymousEngineer_1 day ago
-2
> The second it let even one bot through
They hadn't let a single ship through that hadn't paid the bribe to the IRGC. That's the entire point.
Why would the US Navy assume the IRGC wasn't going to do exactly what it has now done had they let the Iranian ships leave the Gulf of Oman?
The blockade can be shown to have been lifted once a ship leaves. Not when the IRGC issues a press release or a tweet.
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trollsong1 day ago
+16
And you can specifically prove it was a ship that paid a toll?
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Pavel631 day ago
+15
You mean the toll that was agreed upon as condition of letting the ships through?
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nostrademons1 day ago
+22
It was a show of good faith, rescinded when it was not reciprocated. Order of events here was:
* Ceasefire between US and Iran
* Israel violates ceasefire by continuing to fire on Hezbollah
* Iran says “ok, if the war isn’t over, the straight is still closed unless you pay us a toll”
* US says “if you’re still charging tolls, we’ll blockade all your ships too”
* Iran says “control your rabid lap dog [Israel] and we’ll talk”
* US arranges a cease fire between Israel and Lebanon
* Iran says the straight of Hormuz is open
* US says the blockade is still in force
* Iran says the straight of Hormuz is closed
* Israel fires on Lebanon again
* Iran fires on tankers in the straight
There’s a pretty clear tit for tat pattern here; the Iranian government is signaling that they will de-escalate in response to de-escalation but re-escalate in response to aggressive moves. The U.S. and Israel have chosen to press their advantage in response to some of these concessions, and that’s why the concessions have been withdrawn.
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7ddlysuns1 day ago
+15
How about when Israel violates the Lebanon ceasefire? They all suck and lie
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Fantastic-Purple23061 day ago
+13
It's illegal to mention that isreal has broken the ceasefire twice to kill civilians in Lebanon
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TheoremaEgregium1 day ago
+24
There's no way a history book will be able to give the whole play-by-play. They'll just say it was chaotic.
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RagingBillionbear1 day ago
+4
Schröder straits era.
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DirectionMurky55261 day ago
-5
Hardly the most stupid or insane war in history. Hardly the most stupid or insane leaders either. We just get to laugh at those in hindsight rather than live through them. But not this time.
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TheoremaEgregium1 day ago
+11
Sure, but whenever a Renaissance prince talked unbelievable shit and changed direction every day we don't get the details any more. Historiography does lots of sanewashing.
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PrudentLingoberry1 day ago
+14
naw they'll just say shit was confusing because of information war landscape shit and also the whole insanity of this war in the first place
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DirectionMurky55261 day ago
+9
Insane shit happens in history all the time. We just pretend like we're so much smarter nowadays and have too much common sense. Just like they did in the past unfortunately.
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Hatedpriest1 day ago
+3
This still happens in *\*insert year\*?*
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Fallouttgrrl1 day ago
+9
When we were in school, you probably spent time on learning how the civil war and WW2 shaped modern America
Touched on the civil rights, the revolutionary war
Future generations are going to spend as much time on the Trump era as shaping modern America, as all of the above
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Sweetbeansmcgee1 day ago
+5
I think that history will just say that Trump was a liar and con artist who dissembled constantly. Rather than taking his statements at face value, historians will probably be explain that Trump tried to mislead the public while having no real plan as to how to keep the strait open and fell back on military force when his bullying tactics didn’t work. Any particular anecdote about this or that lie will just be cited as a particular example of a larger trend. That being said, this particular example really illustrates that point and shows how much of a shitshow this has become
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Takemyfishplease1 day ago
+3
Depends who “wins” americas next election. We seem to be trending towards ‘history is whatever we want it to be’
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heaviestmatter-1 day ago
+15
It‘s very easy. Israel is a psychotic terror state that does not want peace.
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Millefeuille-coil1 day ago
+2
Use alphabetI spaghetti at least people won’t go hungry
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GorumGamer1 day ago
+2
History won’t have any trouble. History will simply say it was closed the whole time.
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snoogins3551 day ago
+2
Snip snap snip snap! Started the Epstein Wars have
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AlabamaHotcakes1 day ago
+1
I mean it will probably be within the context of the "Trump presidency" and the schoolkids or whatever are just gonna go "Yeah that tracks".
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OneWingedA1 day ago
+1
You think they'll use gold rush, aliens, Bigfoot, or treasure hunting to do it?
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Special_Loan87251 day ago
+1
It’ll probably just say “Iran sunk a us ship leading the US to put boots on the ground”
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espinaustin1 day ago
+1
I’m betting the historical significance will be pretty clear when the dust finally settles (if it ever does).
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LazerWolfe531 day ago
+1
The clock is on Iran's side. The longer they wait the more painful for America and Trump, so they have more leverage to get what they want. Trump's an idiot for not seeing this.
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MediocreAssociate4661 day ago
+1
I think history from any other writers that aren't American will have a very easy time. The Americans lost their mind elected a clown who got 500,000 people killed over a "China hoax flu" then tried to overthrow the government, failed , choose him again 4 years later.
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BubblyFlow61431 day ago
+310
ThEy ProMiSe To NeVeR cLoSe ThE sTrAiT aGaIn.-the greatest president to ever live who totally deserves a Nobel peace prize.
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HEAT-FS1 day ago
+98
Yes but his buddies got $760M into the stock market minutes before his announcement, and that’s what really matters
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i_am_voldemort1 day ago
+8
My head canon is he knew this a lie and wants justification of "not being able to trust the regime's promises" to put troops on the ground.
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Barangat1 day ago
+5
Best I could do was nobel peace price from TEMU, aka Fifa peace price
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snapchillnocomment1 day ago
+535
The media keeps portraying this as "confusion", but it's really f****** simple: Iran said that, as long as Israel is bombing Lebanon, the strait stays closed. That's a precondition for negotiations. When Trump announced the supposed ceasefire between Lebanon and Israel, the Iranians opened the strait, but when Israel commenced the bombing literally 5 hours later, the strait was closed.
The reason we are in this war isn't because Iran are unreasonable or that Trump is a bad negotiator. It's because America cannot or will not pull the leash on Israel.
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Unidan_bonaparte1 day ago
+165
Thats because the leash is on the US. The real question is what leverage do these terrorist states (including Russia) have over the leader of said nation that is making them act completely in opposition to their domestic and foreign national policy. Hmmmmmmmm.
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AudibleNod1 day ago
+63
"Their whole Navy is underwater."
-Donald Trump
>Narrator: It was not.
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regeust1 day ago
+129
Imagine the titanium balls you'd need to get aboard an iranian navy gun boat at this point
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Neracca1 day ago
+78
When the attackers are straight up telling you they're an existential threat to your whole civilization, that tends to motivate people to be willing to fight and put themselves in danger by fighting.
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_Nightbreaker_1 day ago
+118
I mean, they're being methodically attacked by both Israel and its pet, the U.S., and know that no deal they make will ever last, they are described as animals, etc. - they don't have many options at this point besides keep fighting or die.
The intentional slaughter and second strike of those school girls proved that.
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lordunholy1 day ago
+1
Weren't there 3 missiles that hit the school?
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HYDROMORPHONE_ZONE1 day ago
+18
I think that was the bridge. Could be wrong that. Insane though that we aren’t sure which war crime it is though. There should never be multiple war crimes like this but I guess I’m sort of an idealist
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KDR_11k1 day ago
-7
They have drone boats to send instead of manned ones.
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quick_justice1 day ago
+10
Persian army and fighting spirit was never a joke. Their current government is a disgusting theocracy but it’s just a brief moment in a long and proud history of Persians.
Somehow everyone but Trump knew they are not taking it lying down no matter if they hate their regime or not.
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thewolf91 day ago
-31
You don’t need balls. Your country and religion have been oppressed by the west since you’ve been a child and you believe that your call to arms is your purpose.
Iran won’t lose this war because they believe they’re right and they’ll do what they need to succeed.
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regeust1 day ago
+16
You've described how one's balls might turn metallic, this isn't a counter to the fact the guys on those boats have balls of titanium.
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gooberfishie1 day ago
-6
Those balls are a major factor in this war on both sides. There's gonna be movies about it for sure. Saving Ryan's privates seems like a good name.
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FeeHot58761 day ago
+3
This is such a wild take, Iran hasn’t really been oppressed by the west. The UK and US wrongfully fomented the coup in 1950s, which led to the revolution in 1979, the sanctions on Iran for supporting terror groups for decades are certainly warranted. You all write this comment like Iran is a monolith when there’s a large portion of the population that hates the IRGC and the regime, and has been executed for doing so. You can’t boil this situation down to “they have religion on their side cause they were oppressed”
It’s also clear the government is split, you have the more moderate foreign minister agreeing to negotiate and open the strait, but the IRGC is who really is in control and will never agree to such things.
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pread61 day ago
+50
Gee, maybe Trump shouldn’t have torn up OBAMA’s deal.
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iwellyess1 day ago
+29
All of this insanity caused by a shit reality tv star
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bspec011 day ago
+44
I thought they destroyed Irans Navy?
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Froggy17891 day ago
+60
You can destroy almost everything and the strait would be closed. Civilian vessels aren’t going to take even a chance of being shot at. They aren’t paid for that and aren’t insured for that. So a small dinghy with a machine gun is enough to close the strait.
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Sans-valeur1 day ago
+15
Yeah even if you put soldiers on the boat it’s still just going to be a tanker full of extremely valuable material, floating in water.
*Way* easier to damage/sink that, than defend it.
Which was obvious from the start lmao
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KDR_11k1 day ago
Yeah but usually Iran uses drones, having gunboats in the area seems odd.
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NaiveChoiceMaker1 day ago
+27
These “gunboats” are basically just 50’ speedboats with machine guns slapped on them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seraj-class_speedboat
Easy to hide and fast as hell.
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Spamgrenade1 day ago
+6
Irans gunboats are often just rigid inflatables with a gun strapped to them.
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whiteoba1 day ago
+7
Just like how they destroyed 90% of their missile launchers in a matter of days. They lie.
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Historical-View40581 day ago
+9
The term 'swimmingly' must have a new meaning that I was unaware of
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KDR_11k1 day ago
Well, they didn't just blow a hole into the tanker so it's still swimming.
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Zero-Coolz1 day ago
+9
Can someone please put a massive sign up outside the strait? OPEN or CLOSED. Not f****** hard.
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AffectionateDrop77791 day ago
+13
Donald Epstein said it was open though?
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NSYK1 day ago
+7
Congrats, Trump turned a Strait into a lake
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essaysmith1 day ago
+12
What gunboats? Trump said they had no more water boats.
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SLGuitar1 day ago
+6
I thought the US sank their navy? I guess they were just hiding that one. What about that blockade? I guess a few ships got out after all.
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Snigglybear1 day ago
+6
They fired on an Indian tanker. So much for BRICS+ lol
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RoyHamshack1 day ago
+3
Is this the Iranian Navy that was destroyed? /s
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KimJongFunk1 day ago
-2
-sigh- I’m tired, boss.
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fullmoon631 day ago
This doesn’t sound like a one-off incident, more like a warning shot
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xdeltax971 day ago
-5
It’s like that one scene with the gate from Robots with Ewan McGregor’s robot character trying to get through the door
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